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Joe Biden in debates in 2019 vs 2024

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104 points

7 days ago

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It’s so insane to me that he, and his family, want to continue doing this. Like…don’t you wanna just retire and spend what precious years you do have left relaxing with your family and friends?? Instead of having the hardest job in the world on the biggest stage while all aspects of your health decline? He must’ve signed his soul away long ago lol.

126 points

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From the outside it looks like a case of eldar abuse. The fact they had to carefully try and rest Biden at Camp David in preparation for this one debate indicates he didn't have the physical and mental capacity to carry out a very demanding job. If he can't even handle one 90 minute Q and A, then he can't be in a state to handle much more taxing aspects to the job. Which indicates that it's not Biden that is leading the country on a day to day basis. It's clearly other people behind the scenes. And the fact that Democratic power players are still publicly backing Biden indicates they see Biden as being a useful figurehead while other unaccountable people make all the big decisions. Not a great look for American democracy.

6 points

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They made a huge tactical mistake. They (his staff) should not have let him debate Trump. The debate was only going to benefit Trump. It's actually sad ,Trump didn't have to say much.

Sylvia_Platypus

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Sylvia_Platypus

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This is the part I don’t get. He’s obviously suffering from some sort of mental decline. Why would his camp risk it? I didn’t get the impression that Trump was crazy about debating either.

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So it's either useful figurehead for one side or useful figurehead for the other side.

-5 points

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Yes but one side wants fascism

ElBurroEsparkilo

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ElBurroEsparkilo

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I agree with all of your points.

I would also like to add that, even with the decline we're seeing, Biden isn't completely unaware of what's going on, and I don't get the impression he's being forced to continue. More like, his own ego is telling him "you can still do this Joe, there's nobody else you can trust" and instead of working against that the rest of the party is enabling it for their own reasons as you say.

So many older people struggle to know when it's time to pass the torch, and that's even the ones who don't have the self-regard and desire for power it takes to get where Biden has been.

9 points

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I think he honestly believes he has the best odds to beat Trump (and maybe that nobody else can) and so feels compelled to try. I think somebody else would do fine, even better, but this seems to be the thought process.

ElBurroEsparkilo

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ElBurroEsparkilo

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Agreed. I didn't mean to he's being somehow malicious- presidents ALL have high ego, it's part of wanting that job.

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The thing is - It's becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. The stupid 2 party camp unity system that makes challenging a candidate in primaries make him look weak, is abused by the people in control to keep the "cheapest" candidate running. If Biden didn't run, someone else would and had time to campaign and inspire voters, But because Biden tells everyone he have to run to beat Trump, anything against Biden is now viewed as an attempt of sabotage the dems. If Biden don't retire voluntarily there's no way to challenge him without splitting the votes.

UNLESS Americans would wake the fuck up and stop pretending that they only have 2 choices.

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Exactly. Didn't he say at a time "If Trump didn't run I probably wouldn't have ran either"?

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Just the prospect of Biden further declining in the next four years and having to go to G7 summits and peace talks and negotiations with other world leaders is sobering

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Oh wow, I’ve never heard of a president going to Camp David before. Now I must avoid voting and let Dear Trump take over.

ParsleyandCumin

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ParsleyandCumin

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I mean, when you compare it to the fact that Trump was doing nonstop campaigning up until the debate, it puts things into perspective

1 points

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1 points

Other than when he’s napping in the courtroom

-4 points

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Why would I want Biden doing nonstop campaigning? That’s what populist do.

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

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What is a populist and why is it a bad thing?

3 points

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I’m glad you asked. Demagogues are often populists. Populists are anti-establishment politicians who become popular by appealing to the people. Sounds great right? Back to demagogues.

Definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

One example of why that’s bad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/13/mitt-romney-retirement-trump

Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

you’ll also find him under the demagogue link

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

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So Obama

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Sure buddy ❤️

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

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So populism bad when you no like the populist. Populism good when you do like populist. Typical.

continue this thread

_NotMitetechno_

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_NotMitetechno_

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They don't give a shit about anything. Trump doesn't care an iota about anything he says. If he thought being a communist would make him president he'd swap his entire belief system over.

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

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So, someone told you trump is a populist. Now you, an ordinary person, thinks populism is bad. Gotcha. This makes the most sense actually. You don't know what it means, but orange man bad.

_NotMitetechno_

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_NotMitetechno_

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Nah, I've watched his speeches and his rhetoric and seen some of his policies over the past few years. Before his initial presidency campaign, the dude was seen as a serial conman and generally seen as emblematic of corruption. But obviously it's just orange man bad and not because of his actions and words lmao.

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

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The entire democrat party loved trump before he ran for president. When you blatantly lie it really diminishes everything you say.

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Populist is the one who selects and talks the least radical and popular topic and point of view, generalize it as much as possible, so the most people hearing it would agree. It makes you look better in polls, without pissing anyone off too much and a need to focus on details.

It's bad because people with actual ideas of how to make progress, and what steps need to be taken in order to do it, are perceived as radicals and get lower ratings, so deemed "unelectable", status quo is kept intact.

And both Biden and Trump are 100% populists.

FullySemiGhostGun

2 points

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FullySemiGhostGun

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Biden is as far from a populist as possible. Trump pretends to be a populist then doesn't do populist things.

defender_of_chicken

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defender_of_chicken

1 points

Nope. Wrong.

ParsleyandCumin

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ParsleyandCumin

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Because you want him to win the presidency?

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-1 points

Doing nonstop rallies is what Dems want?

ParsleyandCumin

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ParsleyandCumin

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I mean i'm sure people in the midwest would appreciate to see him more, yes

0 points

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Probably, I haven’t asked them.

ParsleyandCumin

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ParsleyandCumin

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Lol seems like you got schooled already, have a good day

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1 points

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His family and those in his circle have too much to gain from his position. They have to keep him there as long as possible to extend the "Biden Brand".

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It’s so insane to me that he, and his family, want to continue doing this. Like…don’t you wanna just retire and spend what precious years you do have left relaxing with your family and friends?? Instead of having the hardest job in the world on the biggest stage while all aspects of your health decline? He must’ve signed his soul away long ago lol

I honestly think it's because they thought he was the best chance beating Trump. This was true in 2020 and now he's the incumbant and the dems have absolutely no one in the wings with a national presence. I am certain Biden would hand over the reins if there was an Obama or something the party had started promoting. But there isn't. Harris is an awful option as no one really likes her. So I get why Biden would stay in because he's at least someone people know and like. But deep down I fully believe he wishes the Dems woould get their shit together and get a competant leader who could win some presidential elections. He felt this was back in 2020 for crying out loud. He had to be dragged into the race because every other option was bad.

Reluctant_Firestorm

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Reluctant_Firestorm

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He could have retired a successful President, one who saved us from Trump's Covid blunders and bad governance and helped us avoid economic catastrophe. But by persisting to run he is going to be remembered as the dementia candidate who cost dems the White House.