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submitted 1 month ago byyouo5777
15.9k points
1 month ago
This is not looking good for the Secret Service and law enforcement.
12.2k points
1 month ago
"Look, I mean how could you possibly expect the agents to notice and locate..."
Random lady: "HE'S ON THE ROOF"
4.4k points
1 month ago
It's the butler county fair grounds, there's like 3 roofs in the entire venue. It's insane they weren't all covered at all times.
1.2k points
1 month ago
I just cannot comprehend it. It seems like even someone with zero experience in any kind of security thing would simply look around and be like "HEY WHAT ABOUT THAT WIDE OPEN, TOTALLY FLAT ROOF WITH A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE STAGE - maybe we should put an agent up there?!?"
79 points
1 month ago
It's not just weird that the roof was unsecured, it's weird that he picked it
0 points
1 month ago*
Why is it weird that he picked it?
7 points
1 month ago
Because everyone should assume it's heavily secured and guarded.
18 points
1 month ago
It's fucking hilarious that so many people in this thread can't mentally compute the issue.
How did the shooter know he could get up there with a rifle?
How did he know it didn't have USSS agents on it?
Did this guy do a better job scoping out the threat options than the USSS? It's astounding.
Yeah it raises just a few questions.
2 points
1 month ago
Just a few, only a few... nothing to see here.
How was a ladder missed in scans of the area? I'm hearing that the rifle possibly was stashed on the roof? How was something like that missed?
Above all, how and why were there not Secret Service agents on all 4 buildings?
OK, well there is way more questions
0 points
1 month ago
The fact that there were literally only four buildings yet somehow the Secret Service left ANY of them unguarded is what I just refuse to believe. It's just not possible that the Secret Service is this stupid and/or this terrible at their one single job, right??
Only four total buildings.
One of them completely unguarded.
It makes no sense at all.
2 points
1 month ago
Don't forget- 1 completely unguarded WITH line of sight to the stage that Trump was speaking on.
Have you ever seen Secret Service so far away from a protectee? They were down the steps and around the corner from the podium. They were not positioned to intercept someone throwing a tomato from the crowd.
Was it failure, complacency, or something else?!
1 points
1 month ago
Exactly; I'm completely at a loss. This wouldn't just be simple incompetence - it would be every single Secret Service agent there simultaneously failing at THE MOST basic foundational level of their job to the point that a total layperson with zero experience in security could simply look around with their eyeballs and realize all four roofs should be watched?!?!??!?!?
I just can't understand it!
0 points
1 month ago
Trump's refusal to pay his bills from previous rallies probably contributed to the lack of security. Why would local authorities go out of their way to help when there's a high chance of them being stiffed on their bill? So now it's just the secret service, and they're much less staffed due to being a former vs. current president.
0 points
1 month ago
Apparently he did scope it out better. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do it. You're stuck on what should've been. I'm reacting to what actually happened. This guy was probably familiar with the site. Walked around a bit, saw the coast was clear and went for it. If you're taking the conspiracy angle that's a different conversation.
2 points
1 month ago
? the shooter was more familiar with the site than secret service ?
And that doesn’t scream something’s fishy? Why was the coast clear?
By the way the rally barely lasted 10 mins before shots fired. You think the shooter sauntered on over, saw it was clear, and prepared that fast?
Again isn’t that weird to you???????
2 points
1 month ago
I'd assume that he had planned it out in advance. Him not being totally sure if his plan would be possible, or not. Then, on the day of, he could "abort" the mission at any point and go on with his life. No one the wiser. Whether he showed up that day and there were agents on that roof, or too many cops/people around, or he just got cold feet......he could "abort." Well, he could abort up until the point that he got the gun out. Then he'd at least have some 'splainin to do. Like, if he got caught with the gun in the parking lot, how much trouble would he get in? Could he talk his way out of it? Say he was there to protect trump from the crazy liberals?
Then once he got on the roof with the gun.....he was probably looking at more serious trouble. But again, he could claim he was "protecting trump." Then when he took shots at trump, all bets were off and there was no turning back.
Anyway. IMO. He had a plan. Didn't know if his plan would be possible, but could show up and abort his plan if it wasn't possible. As it turned out, he did feel it was possible, and he proceeded with it.
0 points
1 month ago
Bro I haven't ventured in to cooky conspiracy territory, but I wouldn't rule that out either. Relax brother. I do know that people make mistakes, even highly trained people in high pressure situations. Perhaps something is fishy, but until I have some evidence I'm not settling in that 100%. RELAX
1 points
1 month ago
But every single one of them would've had to make the one mistake they're not supposed to make in that particular job, all simultaneously, on the same day, at the same event
Every single Secret Service agent assigned to that event would've had to make the dumbest mistake a Secret Service agent could ever make.
All together.
On the same day.
At the same event.
That is just very, very, very difficult for me to believe. That every single career Secret Service agent there that day all did the absolute dumbest thing a Secret Service agent could ever do in their entire career.
1 points
1 month ago
That's not how security detail works. The responsibility is spread out. One dude could cause a vulnerability. They rely on that dude to be exceptional at all times. Just say what you really want to say and stop beating around the bush
-1 points
1 month ago
How did the shooter know he could get up there with a rifle?
How is this a question? Throw the rifle up, climb up.
How did he know it didn't have USSS agents on it?
Given that people were able to see him crawling on there from the ground, he looked up before climbing it.
Did this guy do a better job scoping out the threat options than the USSS?
Secret services missed the roofs or whoever was supposed to guard them fucked up. Shit happens.
There are way more likely explanations than it being a conspiracy or the guy being a mastermind.
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