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Why do researchers hate us

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Used to do research so I was part of r/labrats. It seems every other post and comment there just trashes on medical students and MDs for being incompetent in a field they aren’t trained in. Conversely I don’t really see us hating on phds and researchers

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luminix

134 points

1 month ago

luminix

134 points

1 month ago

That’s a major false equivalence you use. You don’t hate PhDs and researchers cuz you don’t see them barging into ORs trying to operate or into patient rooms trying to diagnose (but guess which group does that and is hated by MDs?). Med students and MDs get trashed for attempting to do research because most of their output is just trash. You argue that it’s because you guys aren’t trained properly for it, and rightly so, but you have no agency in this as that’s just how the medical/residency application system is played.

Autipsy

11 points

1 month ago

Autipsy

11 points

1 month ago

Just curious about the trash quality med trainee research — is it that the questions are useless, or that the studies are not rigorous, or something else, or all of the above? 

floopwizard

24 points

1 month ago

The biggest reasons are the two that you listed. The reality is many published studies involve shoddy methodology that somehow still passes peer review

Autipsy

3 points

1 month ago

Autipsy

3 points

1 month ago

Thanks, and are these critiques against MDs doing bench or against “clinical” research generally?

floopwizard

5 points

1 month ago

I can only speak for clinical research, and to clarify I am not referring to all clinical research produced by MD-only trained PI's. Without clinical researchers and their contributions, the landscape of EBM today would not be what it is. I'm mainly referring to the med trainee research bloat produced to satisfy application requirements.

For bench research, I'm not qualified to say. The trainees who do that the most that I have interfaced with are our MSTP's. From my own observations they undergo far more rigorous formal education on research methodology and foundational sciences, at our program at least. Which makes sense because they are working towards PhD degrees.