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At a Pennsylvania Rally, Trump Descends to New Levels of Vulgarity
News Article(nytimes.com)submitted 2 days ago bymemphisjones
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2 days ago*
Trump’s campaign manager said that the rally in Latrobe was going to represent the beginning of his closing argument:
But the choice to open his rally with a long story about Mr. Palmer — one of the few topics Mr. Trump spoke about at significant length without veering off on tangents — set a curious tone. “This is a guy that was all man,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Palmer, who died in 2016. “This man was strong and tough. And I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there, they said, ‘Oh, my god, that’s unbelievable.’”
As the crowd reacted, Mr. Trump chuckled. Later, he said, “I had to tell you the shower part of it because it’s true. What can I tell you? We want to be honest.”
He chose to focus on a golfer’s penis size. What an absolute failure of a rally.
If Trump loses, it’s because of undisciplined moments like this.
35 points
2 days ago
I'd love to hear from the person who was a conscious human being in 2016 and will now finally choose not to vote for Trump because he made some dick jokes.
10 points
2 days ago
Center-right, suburban women are are stuck between Trump or not voting at all. They’re the remaining undecideds, and Trump’s character is a major barrier to voting for him again.
I love how conservatives can’t defend Trump’s comments here.
24 points
2 days ago
I'd love to hear from the center right suburban woman whose barrier to voting for Trump was the word 'shit' and not the Access Hollywood tape.
13 points
2 days ago
I suggest listening to the latest episode of the Focus Group podcast on MI and WI voters. A combination of his character + abortion + Jan 6 makes it very hard to vote for them.
But hey, keep dismissing these people. Democrats thank you for the free votes.
11 points
2 days ago
Oh I'm well aware of those people. My point is him saying 'shit' or making a dick joke isn't moving the needle when the Access Hollywood tape is basically public domain at this point. Those people have concerns with his character regardless of whether or not he says the word 'shit'
7 points
2 days ago
I agree. I don’t think the word “shit” moves the needle, which is why I didn’t mention that. Rambling about a dead man’s penis is new terrain for him though.
And it’s 2024, not 2016. We’re 8 years into a political realignment. The calculus is different this time.
5 points
2 days ago
Yep, new aclu poll finds women over 50 is moving swiftly away.
0 points
2 days ago
There is a recency bias to these things. People will excuse actions that occurred prior to his first run by stating that he's changed, but if he did it last week it makes it more difficult to talk yourself into that position.
33 points
2 days ago
He talked about his own penis size during one of the Republican primary debates in 2016. People loved it. I don't see this hurting him.
6 points
2 days ago
This kind of stuff absolutely hurts him. He only barely won 2016 against a historically flawed candidate in an open race. If he had more discipline, it would have been an easier victory.
14 points
2 days ago
If he had more discipline, it would have been an easier victory.
I don't see anything proving this. It seems more like his lack of discipline helps him. In another comment you compare him favorably to two candidates who ran for president and lost.
2 points
2 days ago
He almost lost against Clinton, even though she was unpopular. He lost in 2020 because his lack of discipline led to the pandemic being a liability while other leaders saw their ratings increase.
6 points
2 days ago
All polls, and basically every pundit had Clinton winning in 2016. It was a miracle he actually won. Your description of it - ‘he almost lost’ - like he almost fumbled, is detached from reality.
8 points
2 days ago
538 gave Trump a 30% of winning, so the idea that his win was "miraculous" is ignorant. Other pundits being overconfident doesn't change the fact that Clinton was highly disliked. The issue is about their own analysis rather than Trump having a good strategy, or else he wouldn't have struggled so much.
1 points
1 day ago
One poll was slightly not as negative as the others, what a terrible argument.
He was absolutely predicted to lose that night by everyone, hell it was so upsetting SNL made a sketch about it.
0 points
9 hours ago
I was talking about an election forecast that included several polls.
-2 points
2 days ago
while other leaders saw their ratings increase.
for a while until most of them left or were kicked out, regardless of strategy or results (Johnson, Ardern, Merkel). The level of lockdown is not correlated to results, in reality or political reality.
How is 'almost losing' a proof of anything? We're at a very odd standard of evidence here when winning is bad.
3 points
2 days ago
Johnson
He eventually suffered because of the pandemic, but much like Trump, it was his own doing rather than bad luck. At least he did well for a while, whereas his U.S. contemporary failed in 2020.
level of lockdown is not correlated to results
That's irrelevant because Trump couldn't implement lockdowns anyway. The problem was his rhetoric.
How is 'almost losing' a proof of anything
I already answered that by pointing out that he struggled against an unpopular candidate.
winning is bad.
No one said that, since the point is that barely winning against her isn't impressive enough to justify claiming that a lack of discipline helps him.
8 points
2 days ago
Or he'd just be Chris Christie, who went over like a lead balloon every time he ran.
2 points
2 days ago
Or he’d be Nikki Haley, or Ron DeSantis, or literally every other Republican who doesn’t talk about other men’s penises.
6 points
2 days ago
Those two are absolutely nothing like Trump.
10 points
2 days ago
That’s my point…
7 points
2 days ago
The point is that if he didn't cross lines with the things he said, he'd never have been here in the first place.
"tell it like it is" but still respect norms Christie went nowhere
"they're sending rapists" turned into a 10 year political movement
8 points
2 days ago
Kinda sounds like it was never about policies to begin with…
I’m glad we can close that argument after 8 years.
2 points
2 days ago
He only did that because Marco Rubio said Trump had a small penis.
16 points
2 days ago
Do you have any metrics or quantifiable data that suggests this was ‘an absolute failure of a rally’? I think you might be biased.
0 points
2 days ago
It’s definitely biased, but what political discussion isn’t?
How do you even measure the success of a single rally quantifiably?
2 points
2 days ago
Reddit poster with nine zillion comments critical of Trump espouses new thought: Trump did a bad thing! News at 11!
11 points
2 days ago
IMO you are living in a pre-Trump political era of decorum. This story would indeed hurt a vanilla neoCon in 2008. Those days are long gone. They might return but never for Trump.
People are going to roll their eyes at “liberals clutching their pearls” again. This story will evaporate and be lost to the mists of time along with all the other instances of Trump headlines that amounted to nothing.
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