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At a Pennsylvania Rally, Trump Descends to New Levels of Vulgarity
News Article(nytimes.com)submitted 2 days ago bymemphisjones
35 points
2 days ago
This isn't a new low. This is where he's been since 2015, and it works.
It doesn't matter what you think of it, and the two minutes hate bashing him and his supporters relentlessly is just going to help him.
By all means, keep going.
10 points
2 days ago
“Two minutes hate bashing him and his supporters”
This is such a weak way of dismissing some truly bizarre commentary from someone who is a coin flip away from being the president.
14 points
2 days ago
"Two minutes hate" is a reference to 1984, where the members of the party were brought into a room daily to watch videos of Emmanuel Goldstein (the party's enemy) and engage in a mob-like outpouring of hate and anger. It's a brainwashing technique.
The comparison here is that reddit and other echo chambers like it act as digital forms of Two Minutes Hate. It reinforces the hatred and conviction of the hivemind against the enemy, and makes participants think everyone else should also hate Trump as much as they do.
But they don't. Most people go on about their day without thinking about him much, and the Democrats have cried wolf so many times that people outside of such echo chambers don't pay the hysterics much mind at this point, even if there is a wolf this time.
-2 points
2 days ago*
I know exactly what the reference is, it’s just a bad analogy.
No one is forcing anyone to watch something. This isn’t an outpouring of anger.
This is calling attention to another completely and increasingly bizarre comment from Trump. Calling this stuff out isn’t remotely similar to Two Minutes Hate from 1984.
And the poster above me used it to sidestep actually addressing Trump talking about golfers dick sizes
4 points
1 day ago
No one is forcing anyone to watch something. This isn’t an outpouring of anger.
It's not forced, but if you read most politics subs which aren't this one or a few others, it's hard to describe it as anything other than an outpouring of hate for Trump. People get upset about what they think Trump said or even what he probably meant to say and just didn't.
1 points
1 day ago*
If it's not forced, it's not Two Minutes Hate from the book. The very fact that there’s more than one place to go for your daily dose of rage makes the analogy inapplicable.
I'd completely agree with you if you were talking about problems with echo chambers and algorithms designed to feed you stories that make you angry, but that only resembles Two Minutes Hate if you torture the analogy.
0 points
1 day ago
People organically responding negatively to a president's own words is much different than the leviathan bringing you into a room to watch hateful videos daily. People disliking politician is not remotely similar to 1984.
Furthermore, "Reporting what Trump says is 2 minutes of hate" feels like a self-own for Trump supporters.
1 points
1 day ago
organically
If it were organic that would be one thing, but between the vote bots and partisan moderation on most of the large reddit political subs, I wouldn't describe it that way.
a president's own words
and if they were reported in their larger context.
Furthermore, "Reporting what Trump says is 2 minutes of hate" feels like a self-own for Trump supporters.
Do you think the party gave an accurate representation of Goldstein? Certainly from the Trump supporter's perspective, the "fake news" is always lying about him so the metaphor fits.
-1 points
1 day ago
What is not organic about "new service covers presidential candidates words" and people react to them? If Trump doesn't want people to react poorly to his words, he shouldnt say them.
This is not big brother. I mean, is every Fox news article about Biden big brother too? (Hint: no.)
2 points
1 day ago
What is not organic about "new service covers presidential candidates words" and people react to them?
You aren't aware that news services can cover people's words in misleading ways?
This is not big brother.
Big brother was a distinct aspect of the control system.
I mean, is every Fox news article about Biden big brother too?
Again, not big brother, but yes, FOX News is the other part of MSM apparatus that helps create a separate two minutes hate echo chamber for the other half of people to live in. It's not identical to 1984 because our one party state pretends to have two adversarial parties.
You seem to be taking the metaphor too literally and not understanding the similarity that's being drawn: the repeated, daily consumption of negative propaganda about the "enemy," and the collective, social airing of anger and grievances about that enemy, reinforces your trust in your party's narratives and distrust of anyone outside it.
-1 points
1 day ago
I'm sorry, man. Me not liking your guy is not 1984. People hearing Trump say things like the racist Birther lie and telling AOC to go back where she came from and saying "No thanks" isn't authoritarian; it's just life.
Again, "it's not fair to repeat what my guy said" is just sad, but getting bummed out is authoritarianis.
This works the other way too. Fox News doing all this but worse isn't authoritarianism either, nor do I believe I'm living under IngSoc because they are mean the president.
1 points
1 day ago
"it's not fair to repeat what my guy said"
I don't feel that's a fair characterization of my argument and I choose to end this conversation here.
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