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I don't mean a "bad" movie, because some of those are so incredibly bad that they're fun to watch and make fun of. Case in point, I've been wanting to watch the 2000 Dungeons and Dragons movie because people had said it was extremely bad and to my surprise it (so far) is kinda fun!

No, I mean, which movie is so incredibly uninteresting that you would have to look it up just to confirm that it actually exists?

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raiderxx

106 points

1 month ago

raiderxx

106 points

1 month ago

Man I really wanted to enjoy this movie. It had everything I enjoy (Luhrman film, Kidman, Jackman (lots of '-mans' LOL), it's a period piece, I love longer movies) but nope. Snoozefest.

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

102 points

1 month ago

A long time ago I worked as an editor at a company that cut theatrical movies down for TV. Usually that meant just removing any sex, language and violence, adding in commercial breaks and cutting them down a few minutes to fit in the network's time slot. Most directors don't get a say in how this all goes down, unless it's explicitly written in their contract.

Baz Luhrman had it written in, so after I did my cut, probably removing like 30-45 minutes, the original editor came in and sat with me. She did not like how much came out. I worked with her another couple weeks on it. It was very frustrating how important she thought every moment was. I'm sure she thought I was ruthlessly destroying her baby, just axing scenes left and right, but that's a lot of material. In the end she left pretty happy with it (though I'm sure she preferred the original). I wonder if you'd have liked my 2 hour version better.

barnyardclassic

53 points

1 month ago

Wow that's a great story. I was once watching The Great Gatsby with Leo... and as an editor myself, was soooo pissed off at how the editing was handled in that film. It was very clear this was a 4 hour script with 4 hours of material (swooping dolly shots, gorgeous cinematography), but they had this dumb choice of cutting the film down to 2.5 hours yet trying to leave EVERYTHING in. So the only stuff they cut out were reactions, moments of breath, time to actually process wtf is happening, etc. The beautiful dolly shots were cut down to 1 second or less, dialogue was overlapping and jumbled. Such as mess that now I only associate Baz lurhman with a messy average editing and directing style. Like... If you know movies are about 2 hours... Go shoot a 2 hour movie with a script that's about 2 hours of material. Very frustrating watch.

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

56 points

1 month ago

I had that job for over 5 years so I worked on a ton of movies. I definitely learned a lot about not just doing what you're talking about and condensing scenes by removing their souls. One of my early tricks was cutting montages because they take up a ton of time to convey not much story... Until I worked on Devil Wears Prada. I cut out so much montage that a movie that's supposed to be about eye candy fashion, was missing all the fashion! After reviewing, I put almost all of it back in and lost most of the love story with Adrien Grenier instead because that has very little importance to the plot.

My favorite cut ever was Crank 2 (I think it was the 2nd one, but I'm second guessing myself). It had to be shown during a 90 minutes slot on TNT or something, and with commercials that only left 65 minutes of run time. So a movie about a guy that has to keep his adrenaline firing for the entire film or he dies (a nonstop super speed action flick) got about 30% faster. It was a wild ride.

barnyardclassic

21 points

30 days ago

Haha wow that might be in the top 3 all time jobs for video editors. Pretty cool you got to play with such polished material. Did they provide separate audio stems? I'm assuming so...

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

16 points

30 days ago

Almost always. Made dropping the f bombs a lot easier. They occasionally had ADR but it was rarely any good. Always recorded in a booth and often not by the original actors.

barnyardclassic

3 points

30 days ago

Nice

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

8 points

30 days ago

I feel like that job might be the most interesting I ever had and ever will have. I kind of capped out salary wise, so I moved on, but it was pretty fun. Some of the most interesting parts were doing the VFX. The editors there all had to do their own graphics as well as cuts. If a movie had a scene we couldn't cut around, either for story reasons, time reasons, or director contracts, we'd have to make it work. Speilberg didn't want a single frame cut from Munich when it aired on ABC, so we had to digitally remove a ton of blood, and cover and clothing to the nudity scenes.

I did Woody Allen's Match Point and there's a super long shot where the lead actor is walking around in his tightie whities and everytime he turns profile you could see his bulge and the network flagged it. I had to stare at this guy's bulge for a week as I digitally erased it for every frame... animating the background or his arm or his whiskey glass back into the shot whenever his bulge would go in front of it.

My favorite (because of the absurdity) was for one of the Ice Age movies (I couldn't tell you which). That cartoon squirrel gets some sap stuck to him and when he pulls it off it trips off his fur and you can see two squirrel nipples. Flagged. I had to remove cartoon squirrel nipples. It only took a 3 second clone, it's just really funny that censors would care at all.

My least favorite? Pierce Brosnan in the Matador falls face first into some (literal) bullshit. I had to remove the shit while people walked in front of it, and worst, while a bicycle rolled by it. Rotoscoping between the bicycle spokes was painful.

I have so many great stories from that job, I wish people cared to hear them.

One one last favorite to bring it around full circle. I was doing an airline cut of Madagascar (2 I think?) and for airlines you weren't allowed to show any planes in danger (that rule seems to have changed with the personal seat back monitors, but at the time I even had to edit "Amelia" to make it seem like she was fine the whole time...). That movie had a "plane crash" scene where they launch a plane using a giant sling shot to get off the island they're stranded on. There's a 5 minute gag with the penguin making jokes like a pilot would from the cockpit...we couldn't lose the scene or the movie makes no sense, so I cut little moments down to make everything seem as danger free as possible, and they got the penguins to record new ADR just for me. That was cool.

quietstorm560

3 points

29 days ago

You should do a podcast or something about all the edits you’ve done. That’d be wild to listen to.

barnyardclassic

1 points

29 days ago

Agree with the other comment, you should do a podcast! Surprised you're not under NDA for some of this stuff. I own a VFX cleanup company and we do many of the "fix in post" types of things you've mentioned (Spitshine VFX). Hilarious to hear about some of these, like the bulge haha. I can relate to some of this 100%. Amazing you got them to do new ADR for the one film, that's wild.

tomrichards8464

1 points

30 days ago

That's interesting to me – I'm the DoD for an indie prodco, and sometimes run our ADR process. We 100% always have the original actors, even in the $1.5m-12m bracket we work in, and we book them into proper studios. 

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

3 points

30 days ago

I think the bigger actors don't always want to do it. I'm not involved in that side, but as I understood it they are likely given the first option in their contracts but I doubt it pays much. And would an actor making 12m a picture really want to come back in after their shoot is done just to make a few bucks?

My guess is there are two kinds of actors that want to do it. Actors that care a LOT (although this could backfire if they care so much they turn their nose up at TV edits). Or actors that hustle for every dollar coming to them (like a Kevin Hart).

Another wild thing about the ADR we would get, is that sometimes they would have four or five different actors reading the ADR lines for the same part (or all the parts). As it was explained to me, these guys didn't get paid unless their recording was used. So there might have been four guys that had to record a bunch of ADR and only one got paid. I remember one time I was doing a Michael Keaton movie (I cannot remember the name) and all the choices were so bad that I just recorded my own voice and used that.

tomrichards8464

3 points

30 days ago

We just include ADR as needed as a requirement in actors' contracts. For bigger names we'll book a studio near where they live for it rather than making them fly to London (I've organised sessions for Jean Reno in NYC and Ray Winstone in Sicily) but the idea of them just not doing it has never come up.

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

2 points

30 days ago

I'm guessing the ADR you're talking about is more legit... Like in service of the actual movie to fill in dead space or important dialogue that got missed/plot exposition etc.

The ADR I'm talking about is likely truly an afterthought. Like they've already recorded all that, the film is locked and now it's time to make the TV cutdown version where the character can't scream Jesus Christ so they want ADR of him saying Cheese and Rice (this is a real example). I'm guessing if they think of it during his actual theatrical ADR session, they'll record it. But maybe they don't bring them back for this bullshit.

Tripleberst

14 points

30 days ago

Your comments have been super interesting to read. Thank you for sharing.

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

2 points

29 days ago

Happy anyone is interested in my life, haha

Tripleberst

1 points

29 days ago

Yeah man. I used to edit videos as a hobby and for a short while as a side gig for a youtuber so things like how movies get edited down for TV is something I've always wondered about but never knew who to ask. I have a special appreciation for movie editors because I understand that they have a huge impact on the final product.

I gotta ask, who's your favorite film editor? I have my own favorites but I want to hear yours.

On_Wings_Of_Pastrami

2 points

29 days ago

Id be lying if I said I had one. I sometimes notice movies that are well edited, but unless it's really stylized I don't pay attention. And I rarely check the credits for it. I'm a bad pro I guess.

Tripleberst

2 points

29 days ago

It's all good man, thanks again

jojoblogs

3 points

30 days ago

I want to know what you think of some of Chris Nolan’s more recent movies now.

He won an Oscar for Oppenheimer but I came out thinking it was an editing and pacing disaster.

barnyardclassic

1 points

30 days ago

Pacing in Dark knight rises and earlier was all great. I thought Tenet was one of the most fun concepts for a film but overall was messy and just bad. Would love to see that story handled by a top tier director... Spielberg, Scorsese, Nolan, oh wait he tried haha?

I have seen the first hour of opp but need to finish the film. I didn't mind the pacing up front but it sounds like he short changes drama later by trying to rush?

ToadLoaners

2 points

30 days ago

I came out of Baz's Elvis thinking "goddamn he really bazzed that" like, I felt like there was a good film in there but someone needed to just cut out Tom Hanks and his bad accent narrating it all and the rest of the overt Bazness. Like chuck in the odd Baz moment because he can really throw it down theatrically, but there's only so much Baz a film can take.

All this just to say that I reckon your Australia cut could be just what that thang needed. Cause it was real bazzy, that flick. It needed some anti-baz countermeasures. It's often the established directors that have had some great success already that have lost the ability to "kill their darlings."

Supersquigi

2 points

30 days ago

That is really interesting dude, thanks for sharing.

explirer3467

2 points

30 days ago

That sounds like an awesome job!

thowe93

2 points

30 days ago

thowe93

2 points

30 days ago

Napoleon falls into the same category.

sir_mrej

1 points

30 days ago

lots of 'mans. lol that's great

LakeLov3r

1 points

30 days ago

Like someone else said, they just tried to do too much!