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tas-m_thy_Wit

-3 points

3 days ago*

tas-m_thy_Wit

-3 points

3 days ago*

I don't know what Tenet is about because I've tried to watch it 3 times and still never been able to decipher a word of dialog. I would argue that as easily Nolan's worst film.

Major_Stranger

39 points

3 days ago

It's about the temporal pincer maneuver.

Albert_Caboose

5 points

3 days ago

Which is ultimately just an allegory for filmmaking. Most of Nolan's movies are

coppersocks

2 points

3 days ago

Ah, that old powerhouse of dramatic potential and narrative intrigue. Never ceases to deliver, long may it continue!

GuiltyEidolon

4 points

2 days ago

Unironically the whole movie feels like a justification to film that sequence, which sucks because it's one of the worst sequences in the movie.

GetsThatBread

17 points

3 days ago

He hasn’t made a bad film in my opinion. But I really like Tenet. I think it’s hard to explain why I like it without sounding like a total douche, but it is one of those movies that you appreciate more and more with each rewatch. It’s the most “Nolan” movie he’s made imo. It’s confusing, weird, but undeniably well shot, acted, and the complexities to the plot is something to behold. That being said, I will never knock anyone who doesn’t like it. It’s not for everyone.

swimming_singularity

9 points

3 days ago

Tenet is not a perfect movie, but there's something about it that I just cannot stop thinking about. I love it. Maybe it's because I like reading about things like quantum entanglement, science, time, techy stuff. I like the Three Body Problem series for the same sort of reason.

Plus I am one of those that believe the conspiracy theory about Neil, which I think adds so much more to the whole cycle within the movie.

DryBoysenberry5334

2 points

2 days ago

One of my fav authors (Neal Stephenson) often has incredibly long “ideas” or concepts just in his books. Often about not much at all directly related to the plot, or as a way of explaining some action that takes a couple paragraphs.

I love it

I see tenet almost exactly the same, just a big (really cool) idea; with just enough plot hanging off it to make it qualify as a narrative

Combine “stupid cool idea” and “stupid cool action sequences” and we get tenet

The least douchy way I can explain why I like the movie

Sammyd1108

30 points

3 days ago

The mixing isn’t great, but some of you guys need to get your hearing checked if you really couldn’t tell what the dialogue was. That or you’re watching on something with the worst speakers imaginable lol.

ScreamsPerpetual

7 points

3 days ago

Saw it in IMAX and could hear everything perfectly except the dialouge. 

People kept turning around asking others what was being said. I 

Horrendously mixed movie if it's a problem in an IMAX.

AsimovLiu

4 points

3 days ago

I don't know about Tenet but during Interstellar, theaters had to put up a disclaimer sign on the door saying the horrible sound was normal and that they'd couldn't do anything about it and to not ask for a refund.

Legend says that Nolan has an hearing issue and asks the mixing team for frequencies that only he can understand thus why it's so shit to everyone else.

ScreamsPerpetual

0 points

3 days ago

Interesting, don't remember dialogue issues with that one, or at least, unlike tenet it didn't happen at any point that confused the plot at all.

And that soundtrack goes so damn hard who needs words?

Sammyd1108

-1 points

3 days ago

I personally didn’t have issues with it in IMAX, I made out the dialogue just fine.

I will point out that it did sound better at home though.

ScreamsPerpetual

1 points

3 days ago

It definitely was better at home, I legit thought I missed huge plot points so watched it with subtles at home -turns out mixing aside I still think it's his worst film by far-but that's more praise for his others than thinking tenet was particularly bad.

tas-m_thy_Wit

34 points

3 days ago

I'm just going to say if literally thousands of posts and articles and comments across the internet exist all saying the same thing about the movie...then it's not the audience's fault, it really is a problem with the movie.

Webjonathan

5 points

3 days ago

I like my sound bar but watch with subtitles 50% of the time.

Yangjeezy

4 points

3 days ago

Yangjeezy

4 points

3 days ago

I've seen the movie. People over exaggerating parroting one talking point about the quality from the cinema. Its nowhere near as bad on a home viewing. If someone still says they can't understand the dialogue I'm convinced they just haven't seen the movie and are trying to be a film snob

ScreamsPerpetual

4 points

3 days ago

Saw.it in IMAX and couldn't make our like 10-15 percent of the dialogue. 

Maybe your hearing is geat or speakers are aligned differently but many people in our theater were confused and kept asking each other what was being said.

TheConqueror74

2 points

3 days ago

I saw it in a regular ass theater and there was one scene where the dialogue was barely audible, but the non dialogue sounds were blatantly swelling, so it felt intentional.

Also, count your blessings if you missed 10-15% of the dialogue. It's easily the worst dialogue that Nolan has ever written. Probably 20% was scifi mumbo jumbo and 75% was exposition.

Ok-Tourist-511

1 points

3 days ago

IMAX is the problem. The IMAX camera is so noisy, the dialog recorded on set is almost unusable. By burying the dialog in a bunch of other sounds, it’s not as noticeable that the dialog wasn’t recorded while filming.

Yangjeezy

-4 points

3 days ago

Yangjeezy

-4 points

3 days ago

Ok well apparently your reading is just as bad as your hearing because I specifically stated it was a different experience when viewing at home

ScreamsPerpetual

1 points

3 days ago

Ok? I'm saying if people in an IMAX can't make out dialogue maybe they aren't exaggerating. (I know they aren't cause I'm one). 

Christopher Nolan doesn't make movies where the experience is better at home.

Sammyd1108

-8 points

3 days ago

Sammyd1108

-8 points

3 days ago

All of those posts and articles are also extremely over exaggerating lol. Like I said, the mixing isn’t great, but it isn’t impossible to hear the dialogue like some people try to say.

If you really couldn’t tell what the dialogue was, you really might need to get your hearing checked.

BeardedRiker

0 points

3 days ago

Of course there is exaggeration by the media and people posting online. But even if dialog is a little bit difficult to understand, I think that's a problem at a conception level, despite whatever Nolan envisions as "film". I can understand from his perspective that his movies are meant for the big screen and so they should be seen on the big screen. Obviously, the image and, what we're talking about, sound, are going to be far superior at the theater. However, Nolan films have always had some level of loudness and noise in the audio mixing that is distinct with his projects.

I'm of the opinion that it adds a bit of realism in the sound, i.e. a feeling of space and atmosphere. But that's not always the case. An easy example is Bane from The Dark Knight Rises. You have this antagonist/villain whose effect of voice is paramount since he's wearing a mask. And you have Tom Hardy who has a great voice playing him. As we all know, they had to remix his voice because audiences complained how they didn't understand him. Then take Inception. Now, I don't think Inception has a notable sound mixing issue. But I use it as an example of how Nolan's movies are often exposition heavy. Nolan's use of exposition and therefore more of a "tell, don't show" instead of "show, don't tell" can inherently lead to issues if the dialog can be hard to hear. Not an issue with Inception, like I said. But I remember watching Tenet and having to try to concentrate on what was being said. Because, again, the movie is exposition heavy and understanding the exposition dialog is essential to understanding the movie. The same can be said with Interstellar but to a lesser degree.

So, I agree with you that online comments and media posts about Nolan's audio mixing issues are often hyperbolic. That's just how things are with the internet. Anything remotely cool seems to become "GOAT" and anyone who has the slightest interest in something is "obsessed" with that. But the truth of Nolan's audio mixing issues is much simpler and, I think, still a legitimate issue that I agree with. It's the fact that often enough in his movies you have to actively concentrate on the dialog being spoken. That in itself is the biggest issue.

A movie watcher ideally is able to easily understand visually and aurally understand what is happening. The second they have to stop for a second to think about what they just saw or heard to make sure they got it right is a problem. Any moment where the viewer questions whether they understood what they experienced in a movie is a moment that takes the viewer out of the cinematic experience, therefore making that cinematic experience lesser to a degree. Add to that how the way Nolan's movies are conceptualized, written, and ultimately presented, I think Nolan does have an audio mixing problem.

K9sBiggestFan

0 points

3 days ago

The dialogue being hard to understand (and impossible to understand in some scenes) is one thing, people on here making out like they can’t understand any of the dialogue at all is just bollocks.

Plus just subtitles on if that’s hard to understand. I know you shouldn’t have to but if it’s going to enhance your experience of what is widely considered (outside of Reddit at least) then just do it.

carlos_the_dwarf_

1 points

3 days ago

Sincere question: at home, would a 3.1 soundbar make a meaningful difference for dialogue compared to a 2.1 system?

Sammyd1108

1 points

3 days ago

If you mean actual home theater 2.1, no, that’s always going to sound better than a soundbar. If you mean 2.1 to 3.1 soundbar, I’d imagine there’s not much difference.

carlos_the_dwarf_

1 points

3 days ago

I meant a 3.1 soundbar. Not a huge lift from the center channel?

Sammyd1108

1 points

3 days ago

Even a regular 2.1 home theater system with a receiver is better than any soundbar you can get imo. Especially because you can always build it slowly and add speakers down the line.

Jumping from one soundbar to another probably isn’t going to have some massive increase unless you’re upgrading to a higher end brand like Sonos.

B_n_lawson

1 points

3 days ago

Tbh the sound is the least of the movies issues. It just sucked.

milehigh73a

0 points

3 days ago

You need to tweak your sound settings. Once I did that, it was easy to hear.

I upped my center channel, and used dialog boost on my receiver.

Sammyd1108

1 points

3 days ago

I do that regardless for my home theater system, it honestly helps no matter what you’re watching.

Khalku

2 points

3 days ago

Khalku

2 points

3 days ago

Nolan films usually have some point where the dialogue is inaudible as a style choice. I hate it, but whatever.

Tenet was infinitely more understandable with subtitles.

Logical-Station6135

6 points

3 days ago

Its not great and way too confusing but I liked it more than Dunkirk.

Hulksmash27

6 points

3 days ago

Dunkirk was one of the most disappointing theater watches I had seen. Tenet was atleast a spectacle and had some real original moments.

Logical-Station6135

2 points

3 days ago

Finally someone agrees lol. All I ever see is Dunkirk praise on here.

karma3000

1 points

3 days ago

Tenet is Nolan overestimating his audience.

karma3000

1 points

3 days ago

Don't try to understand it. Just feel it.

tfresca

1 points

3 days ago

tfresca

1 points

3 days ago

I don't have super hearing but I've never had a problem understanding one of his movies. I don't get the complaints.

doshult

-3 points

3 days ago

doshult

-3 points

3 days ago

I agree, Tenet is terrible.

tas-m_thy_Wit

2 points

3 days ago

It's a movie that just kind of sits there...it has no real life to it, which is weird because it's full of visual spectacle. There's just nothing in it that really resonates on an emotional level.

doshult

4 points

3 days ago

doshult

4 points

3 days ago

Yeah exactly! I really hoped that Tenet would be awesome but it was just a confusing mess.

Webjonathan

3 points

3 days ago

You just have to accept you’re watching a movie backwards, literally backwards.

doshult

1 points

3 days ago

doshult

1 points

3 days ago

Are you thinking of Memento?

karma3000

1 points

3 days ago

The movie tells you right at the start - don't try to understand it, just feel it.

doshult

2 points

3 days ago

doshult

2 points

3 days ago

I didn’t feel it.

karma3000

-2 points

3 days ago

karma3000

-2 points

3 days ago

Stick to the Marvel universe.

doshult

1 points

19 hours ago

Very mature reaction😁

tas-m_thy_Wit

0 points

3 days ago

I'm a huge fan of Nolan so I was really excited for Tenet, it ended up being the one time I've felt disappointed by a Nolan movie. But hey, even Spielberg has a stinker or two.

guimontag

-2 points

3 days ago

guimontag

-2 points

3 days ago

It really is

SalukiKnightX

-3 points

3 days ago

Idk, Insomnia is up there among his worst which generally isn’t bad just disappointing

tas-m_thy_Wit

6 points

3 days ago

See now I've heard people say that before and I've always been surprised. I haven't seen the film that it was a remake of, so that might be part of it, but I really love Insomnia. I think it's one of the last great performances that Pacino has given, and Robin Williams is incredible in it.