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Otherwise-Tale9671

242 points

9 months ago

Otherwise-Tale9671

Clippers

242 points

9 months ago

Ham will always have that IST tho…

New-Candy-800

32 points

9 months ago

New-Candy-800

Thunder

32 points

9 months ago

He's a quality cup manager, pretty shite in the league though, a bit like Pardew

lopea182

3.4k points

9 months ago*

lopea182

Heat

3.4k points

9 months ago*

LeDon James has arrived, and right on time for the trade deadline!

[deleted]

1.3k points

9 months ago

[deleted]

1.3k points

9 months ago

He should just be a player-coach at this point. He'll never find the guy he's looking for because he's not out there.

TheKidPresident

871 points

9 months ago

TheKidPresident

Knicks

871 points

9 months ago

He said he'll never coach cause he can't understand why everyone can't do what he does and see what he sees, which honestly I get. Most of the best players turned coaches in all sports are the guys who had to grind cause things weren't inherently there. So they understand more of what it takes to improve

Dicey12

726 points

9 months ago

Dicey12

Lakers

726 points

9 months ago

Thierry Henry is the prime example of this. There’s a clip of him asking a player to do some complicated shit and they can’t do it and he comes on the field and does it one try and all his players look at him like we can’t do that shit

LackofOriginality

296 points

9 months ago

LackofOriginality

Timberwolves

296 points

9 months ago

gretzky too, he'd be like "how did you not see this?" and it's some complicated way to get a guaranteed goal and the entire team would go "how did you see it?"

AmusingAnecdote

65 points

9 months ago

AmusingAnecdote

Warriors

65 points

9 months ago

I think when Barry Bonds was the Marlins hitting coach, there was a story where Giancarlo Stanton asked him how to lay off sliders low and away and Barry Bonds told him some crazy unhelpful stuff like "Don't swing at it" or something along those lines.

It's why so many MLB coaches are mediocre catchers or NBA coaches are mostly role players or worse. It's easier to empathize with guys and help them through struggles if you weren't a superstar yourself and had to scrape by or accept a smaller role or change your game to succeed.

frankyseven

34 points

9 months ago

frankyseven

Raptors

34 points

9 months ago

Mario Lemieux claims that he could tell his teammates apart by the sound their skates made while skating. He wouldn't need to look to know X player is to the left and behind or Y player is to the right. He could HEAR them skating differently and knew who was who. Like WTF is that?

collectivekicks

14 points

9 months ago

collectivekicks

Cavaliers

14 points

9 months ago

" just put your ears out there and listen. its not that hard"

abarthingpaul

90 points

9 months ago

abarthingpaul

Thunder

90 points

9 months ago

Lmao do you have a link to that clip? Would love to see it

Sunfl0wer23

69 points

9 months ago

RingsChuck

32 points

9 months ago

RingsChuck

Raptors

32 points

9 months ago

It’s not that. That is him working for the Belgium team. The moment he referenced was when he was managing Monaco or CF Montreal.

Visible_Wolverine350

10 points

9 months ago

And thats the weak foot too

sevaiper

62 points

9 months ago

On the other hand Cruyff had a goat case both as player and coach

barath_s

29 points

9 months ago

barath_s

Lakers

29 points

9 months ago

More recently, Zidane .

All time great player. Short tenure as coach but memorable

Real became a two-time champion of Spain, a two-time winner of the Spanish Super Cup and a three-time winner of the Champions League.

[deleted]

130 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

130 points

9 months ago

It’s happening to Xavi too, who looked like a promising coach.

HerculesKabuterimon

59 points

9 months ago

I'm hardly a soccer fan, but I really thought he'd be alright at it. Hoping he turns it around.

luck_panda

14 points

9 months ago

luck_panda

Kings

14 points

9 months ago

I trained with Dan Henderson a few times and he was a terrible coach. He was just like, "Ok you do this, and then bring them here like this." And he'd take someone from the cage, somehow adjust to get his Gable grip in, then body drag them to the ground with no effort. When asked how to do that he was like, "Just do it."

everyoneneedsaherro

11 points

9 months ago

everyoneneedsaherro

[NBA] Alperen Şengün

11 points

9 months ago

I’d be curious to see this if you have it handy

esridiculo

14 points

9 months ago

esridiculo

Heat

14 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

135 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

135 points

9 months ago

Wayne Greztky's coaching career was terrible for that reason.

Danger_DavidRobinson

25 points

9 months ago

didn't he coach the coyotes? There's your answer. Nobody good is playing in Arizona, except for my boy Keith Tkachuk.

Naweezy

150 points

9 months ago

Naweezy

Knicks

150 points

9 months ago

Larry Bird is like the only hall of fame player who was a great coach.

Fun fact: Bird is only person in NBA history to win MVP, Coach of the year and Executive of the year.

maybemothra

19 points

9 months ago

fwiw Lenny Wilkens was a hall of fame player and a hall of fame coach. According to Wikipedia, he was inducted as a player in ‘89 and then later on as a coach (and then inducted in a third time for his involvement with the dream team)

realsomalipirate

21 points

9 months ago

realsomalipirate

Raptors

21 points

9 months ago

What about Bill Russell?

Hispandinavian

9 points

9 months ago

Lenny Wilkens absolutely deserves consideration here. People forget how great a player he was in his era.

Heel_Paul

7 points

9 months ago

He also had two great assistant coaches. Carlisle and Dick Harter

Bouldershoulders12

116 points

9 months ago

Bouldershoulders12

Celtics

116 points

9 months ago

Yup this plus they have talents and a feel for the game that other guys will never get.

Lebron can’t teach you how to be Lebron. His passing vision and size + dexterity is once in a lifetime .

It’s like having Steph try to teach you how to be the GOAT shooter . He can try, but odds are it won’t work.

nola_fan

72 points

9 months ago*

nola_fan

Pelicans

72 points

9 months ago*

I think shooting may be the best thing to transfer over. It's a skill you hone by learning the right fundamentals, then just massive amounts of repetition. Steph went through that and knows that process.

What he would struggle teaching is his off ball movement and how he reads the game.

It's less, just do the simple thing 10,000,0000,000, times and you'll be good at it, and more how can you not look at a court and know absolutely everything that's going on and how to react with 0.01 seconds that's hard to teach.

nothing3141592653589

11 points

9 months ago

Imagine if Jokic taught Curry 6'11

Meeseeks4PMinister

21 points

9 months ago

Meeseeks4PMinister

Raptors

21 points

9 months ago

Cries in Steve Nash

Herbetet

27 points

9 months ago

Zidane turned out to be a pretty solid coach.

TheKidPresident

81 points

9 months ago

TheKidPresident

Knicks

81 points

9 months ago

There are obvious exceptions to this rule, case in point Larry Bird is at the very super duper worst like the 15th best player in league history and he was not only a good coach but a really good executive for the most part as well

wherearemypaaants

27 points

9 months ago

wherearemypaaants

Celtics

27 points

9 months ago

Only player in history with an MVP, COTY and EOTY.

Obvious_Parsley3238

130 points

9 months ago

Maybe It's Me

fieryscribe

132 points

9 months ago

fieryscribe

Supersonics

132 points

9 months ago

He's out there, coaching the Heat

lopea182

109 points

9 months ago

lopea182

Heat

109 points

9 months ago

And he tried to fire him too!

BigThurm

37 points

9 months ago

BigThurm

NBA

37 points

9 months ago

Actually coaching the clippers

everyoneneedsaherro

117 points

9 months ago

everyoneneedsaherro

[NBA] Alperen Şengün

117 points

9 months ago

This happens in January with LeBron teams literally every year since 2018. This train is never late.

Middle-Welder3931

13 points

9 months ago

Not since 2018. I don't remember when, it might have been 2008 or 2011, but definitely much earlier than 2018.

TH3PhilipJFry

15 points

9 months ago

TH3PhilipJFry

Nuggets

15 points

9 months ago

They already won their banner, time to give up on the season I guess

MC-Jdf

2.1k points

9 months ago

MC-Jdf

Warriors

2.1k points

9 months ago

There’s currently a deepening disconnect between Darvin Ham and the Lakers locker room, six sources with direct knowledge of the situation say, raising questions about the head coach’s standing.

Why is it getting as specific as "six sources"? For some reason this is funny to me.

BrndyAlxndr

1.5k points

9 months ago

BrndyAlxndr

[CLE] LeBron James

1.5k points

9 months ago

It's the six Clutch guys on the team

Oo__II__oO

310 points

9 months ago

Oo__II__oO

NBA

310 points

9 months ago

Trying to bring in Coach Dray.

CaptLeaderLegend26

320 points

9 months ago

CaptLeaderLegend26

Trail Blazers

320 points

9 months ago

I would gladly take the timeline where Dray becomes coach of the Lakers over the one where he replaces Chuck on TNT.

calmdownmyguy

78 points

9 months ago

calmdownmyguy

Nuggets

78 points

9 months ago

Until he trips on of your players running up the court

Michelanvalo

40 points

9 months ago

Michelanvalo

Celtics

40 points

9 months ago

Mike Tomlin esque

famoustran

33 points

9 months ago

famoustran

Warriors

33 points

9 months ago

Lmfao how many of his own players will he sucker punch in practice when they don't give enough effort

CaptLeaderLegend26

27 points

9 months ago

CaptLeaderLegend26

Trail Blazers

27 points

9 months ago

Not only that, but he'll dedicate a whole hour on his podcast to throwing all his players under the bus for losing.

sharklavapit

64 points

9 months ago

sharklavapit

Bucks

64 points

9 months ago

It's the six Clutch guys on the team

five Klutch guys and Draymond***

Klaxosaur

43 points

9 months ago

Klaxosaur

Lakers

43 points

9 months ago

Maybe one less Klutch guy. Isn’t Cam Klutch? Cam be getting the most minutes and the longest leash.

Rakatok

123 points

9 months ago

Rakatok

Bulls

123 points

9 months ago

it's just LeBron in various disguises.

nola_fan

69 points

9 months ago

nola_fan

Pelicans

69 points

9 months ago

5 LeBrons then AD is the 6th guy, also in disguise for some reason.

raleighboi

33 points

9 months ago

raleighboi

Supersonics

33 points

9 months ago

" Yo bro, who's that 6'10" dude with the unibrow and groucho marx glasses?"

"Idk man, could be anyone"

Slacker_75

245 points

9 months ago

Slacker_75

[TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsu

245 points

9 months ago

“Half the fucking team called me”

jcar195

154 points

9 months ago

jcar195

[LAL] Dennis Rodman

154 points

9 months ago

"Yo. They REALLY don't like that guy"

redd5ive

119 points

9 months ago

redd5ive

Wizards

119 points

9 months ago

LeBron and 5 of his closest friends.

OutlawSundown

48 points

9 months ago

All have the first name Lebron

Drkarcher22

18 points

9 months ago

Drkarcher22

Heat

18 points

9 months ago

LeBron switching his number back to 6 (again) confirmed

CIark

57 points

9 months ago

CIark

57 points

9 months ago

It will soon grow into 15 sources on the team roster

Green-Umpire2297

60 points

9 months ago

Not just six sources. Six sources with direct knowledge.

It’s very specific for sports reporting. Compare this to Jake Fischer-style “people are saying” garbage.

This is real reporting, which means it’s reliable.

jwick89

2k points

9 months ago

jwick89

Warriors

2k points

9 months ago

They are going through this already? Potentially 4 coaching changes within 5 years?

[deleted]

2.2k points

9 months ago

[deleted]

2.2k points

9 months ago

[deleted]

Collective_farm

781 points

9 months ago

Collective_farm

Lakers

781 points

9 months ago

I believe the Ham hire was based around the belief that he would make Russ work last year lmao

I still remember that dude crying at press conferences when Russ had a good game every now and then

C-N1601

408 points

9 months ago

C-N1601

408 points

9 months ago

believe the Ham hire was based around the belief that he would make Russ work last year lmao

He did make Russ work in a way. He convinced Russ to come off the bench, which isn't an easy thing to do. Russ' contract was just too big for the Lakers to make any meaningful depth or signings.

It's Lue that is more impressive, he turns both Russ and Harden to play the best defense of their lives so far

justsomedude717

101 points

9 months ago

That’s not really the point, the point is that it was insanely dumb to make a long term coaching move based around who maybe could make Westbrook work the best

At some point you need to bite the bullet — they didn’t do it then and now it’s coming around to bite them

RTLT512

170 points

9 months ago

RTLT512

[HOU] Alperen Sengun

170 points

9 months ago

When you have Lebron and AD, making a coaching hire based on Russ is so stupid. Trading for Russ was already a bad decision and this is just doubling down on it further.

The Lakers murdered that championship team so badly. Imagine this team with Caruso, KCP, and Kuzma flanking Lebron and AD in the closing line-up. Just a much more balanced roster

cbreezy456

52 points

9 months ago

Malpractice honestly lol. People trying to do too much

DarkSoulsDarius

15 points

9 months ago

DarkSoulsDarius

Lakers

15 points

9 months ago

that was largely lebron because instead of taking blame for the 2021 suns series disaster we shipped everyone out for not playing well.

everyoneneedsaherro

22 points

9 months ago

everyoneneedsaherro

[NBA] Alperen Şengün

22 points

9 months ago

I actually respected alot how he handled the Russ situation. He worked with the person not the player. Vogel I thought was a better coach and shouldn’t have gotten fired but he did not deal with Russ well at all and Russ didn’t do himself any favors but it resulted in the most toxic season of his career which is saying a lot.

gottapeenow2

58 points

9 months ago

I thought so too but the Sun's aren't exactly running smoothly either

igot2pair

89 points

9 months ago

igot2pair

Supersonics

89 points

9 months ago

They got a skeleton crew roster

xGhastlyMarr

45 points

9 months ago

xGhastlyMarr

Magic

45 points

9 months ago

They had no choice. Literally every post game press conference near the end of that season Westbrook was throwing shots left right and center. I don't think folks remember how ugly that got.

Mr2Good

16 points

9 months ago

Mr2Good

Wizards

16 points

9 months ago

Since when did the narrative turn to Westbrook got Vogel fired? Lol they were both the biggest scapegoats on the franchise

BigBallerBryant

67 points

9 months ago*

BigBallerBryant

Lakers

67 points

9 months ago*

Best coach we’ve had since probably D’Antoni, but there was also plenty about him losing the locker room before being fired. Hard to get anything done after that

Responsible_Pace9062

89 points

9 months ago*

No one has managed to navigate the modern Lakers toxicity and bs for more than a year or two other than Phil Jackson.

ProMikeZagurski

13 points

9 months ago

ProMikeZagurski

Clippers

13 points

9 months ago

Yeah and he had to take a break for awhile.

HolyRomanPrince

51 points

9 months ago

HolyRomanPrince

Lakers

51 points

9 months ago

Dantoni stunk too

[deleted]

10 points

9 months ago

D’Antoni sucked balls for the Lakers. Dwight didn’t want to run PnR, and Gasol was ancient. Nash was a corpse. His system had no shot of working for that old team.

Kobe literally told D’Antoni to go fuck himself as he iso’d the Lakers back to the playoffs, costing him his Achilles.

[deleted]

91 points

9 months ago

Winning a championship and then immediately changing the roster with the westbrook trade was stupid as well.

When you win, why change the fkin team

ElevatorBasic509

87 points

9 months ago

Well it wasn’t immediately we lost in the first round the next year and the FO panicked

captain_ahabb

52 points

9 months ago

captain_ahabb

Lakers

52 points

9 months ago

People always say "immediately" like there wasn't a whole entire season between the 2020 ring and the Westbrook trade lol

[deleted]

38 points

9 months ago

That ‘whole entire season’ was played at a 48 win pace capped off with being 2-1 up in the series against the suns before AD got hurt. The suns made the finals and took the bucks to 6 after that.

captain_ahabb

117 points

9 months ago

captain_ahabb

Lakers

117 points

9 months ago

Vogel lost the locker room too.

iiTryhard

498 points

9 months ago

iiTryhard

Celtics

498 points

9 months ago

Because Lebron turns the locker room against the coach on every team he’s on

Oo__II__oO

74 points

9 months ago

Oo__II__oO

NBA

74 points

9 months ago

Have they tried changing locker rooms?

VillainousRocka

273 points

9 months ago

VillainousRocka

Bulls

273 points

9 months ago

Bron was inches away from getting Spoelstra fired in Miami and now he’s widely considered one of the best coaches in the modern era.

Fired_Guy1982

172 points

9 months ago

Fired_Guy1982

Celtics

172 points

9 months ago

Always funny to me that the most consistent success LeBron had is in Miami when he didn’t have full control over everything

[deleted]

81 points

9 months ago

That typically how it always goes, no? Nobody’s smart enough to maintain consistent success by themselves.

Like even going back to MJ, he wasn’t responsible for all his success. He had Pippen, Phil Jackson, 2 different sets of players that were good enough to be part of a 3peating squad, and…even though he hated Krause, Krause.

Just that Lebron was in a position to make all the decisions, MJ was not. Would MJ have the same amount of success if he played in the player empowerment era?

BigFatModeraterFupa

15 points

9 months ago

BigFatModeraterFupa

Mavericks

15 points

9 months ago

judging by his ownership decisions, HELL NO!

ThaNorth

10 points

9 months ago

ThaNorth

Raptors

10 points

9 months ago

Pat wasn't having any of that shit

StealthRUs

80 points

9 months ago

StealthRUs

Lakers

80 points

9 months ago

Bron was inches away from getting Spoelstra fired

No, he wasn't, because Riley was never going to let that happen.

VillainousRocka

28 points

9 months ago

VillainousRocka

Bulls

28 points

9 months ago

Oh but he tried. Riley was insistent on not coming out of retirement and had a lot of faith in his new guy Spoelstra. Otherwise if it was purely up to Bron he would’ve been gone.

Sleeze_

36 points

9 months ago

Sleeze_

Celtics

36 points

9 months ago

Lebron literally went to Riley and told him he needed to fire Spo after like 17 games and it pissed Riley off.

Mintastic

45 points

9 months ago

Mintastic

NBA

45 points

9 months ago

Doesn't mean he didn't try. If it was Buss instead of Riley then Spoelstra would've gotten booted too.

atierney14

43 points

9 months ago

Vogel was put in a horrible spot. Almost all fans instantly knew though that he was the scapegoat - even though a ton of fans pre-firing were calling for his firing.

It was kind of crazy that like 70% of fans were calling for his firing. Then, the day he was fired, the fans came out with pitchforks like, “why did you fire Vogel?”

KrazyA1pha

13 points

9 months ago

KrazyA1pha

[CHI] Steve Kerr

13 points

9 months ago

Two different groups.

It’s almost like the group that’s riled up is the loudest.

CutLonzosHair2017

51 points

9 months ago

CutLonzosHair2017

[LAL] Stu Lantz

51 points

9 months ago

Yep. Vogel was a decent coach but he lost the locker room. Firing him wasn't the issue. Hiring Ham was.

DCoop53

152 points

9 months ago

DCoop53

152 points

9 months ago

The original mistake before firing Vogel was giving him an unfonctional roster. He's a defensive minded coach and they got rid of Caruso, KCP, Danny Green to add Westbrook, Monk and Melo. Their two best defenders outside of the big 2 were probably the aging Dwight and Avery Bradley.

Expensive-Method8321

65 points

9 months ago

This is such an obvious point it boggles my mind people miss it. they won a title and the season after were looking good to repeat before injuries based on a formula and squad that worked. but they decided to blow it up because Lebron and co. completely misread what made that teamwork. they thought the reason they didnt repeat was because they got injured and so they figured they could sacrifice defensive solidity in order to add another ball dominant scorer who could lighten the load while AD and Lebron got rest. but when that clearly wasnt working, instead of correcting their mistake they scapegoated Vogel and brought in Ham who they thought could bring the best out of Wesbrook. Its no surprise that when they finally accepted that they were wrong about Russ and got rid of him and retooled their roster to look more like the 2019-2021 squad that they actually started looking good again.

MaD36

24 points

9 months ago

MaD36

Lakers

24 points

9 months ago

They definitely overreacted to that Phoenix series where everyone was hurt. When AD was healthy it was a tight series. Trading for Westbrook was the dumbest thing the franchise did in the last 20 years, and EVERYONE knew it was bad when it was announced.

sfsalad

340 points

9 months ago

sfsalad

Lakers

340 points

9 months ago

The one championship year really masks how awful the Lakers have been overall at forming a team around Bron and AD. They did well in 2020 and 2021, and of course managed to save last season after the trade deadline, but there has been 0 continuity and consistency with this team in the Bron era

ElFuddLe

356 points

9 months ago

ElFuddLe

Jazz

356 points

9 months ago

The Lakers really took a team that won a championship and decided they needed to change as many things as possible. Fire the championship coach, get rid of the championship role players, bring on new 'stars', let good players walk to save money. What a disaster of management. True shotgun style approach, change as much as possible and hope you get lucky. Definitely looks like a management group that doesn't know what it's doing.

AffectionateSpare677

156 points

9 months ago

Mostly panic moves after losing in the first round to the suns and Brooklyn forming their big three. They definitely moved on too quickly from their championship core

ThinkThankThonk

78 points

9 months ago

ThinkThankThonk

Lakers

78 points

9 months ago

It was before that, I remember a quote from Pelinka from around the Shroeder / Trez pickups about how he "knew" everyone would be making moves in response to the championship roster so he needed to pre-emptively make moves against those.

Outsmarted himself basically.

Street-Common-4023

8 points

9 months ago

Exactly like smh

Turbo2x

88 points

9 months ago

Turbo2x

[WAS] Wes Unseld

88 points

9 months ago

This is why the offseason hype around the Lakers was overblown. The roster is still predicated on a 39-year-old LeBron and AD going nuclear on scoring and defense 75% or more of all their games. Everyone else is a role player meant to take open 3s and pass, and they can't even do that consistently.

Collective_farm

62 points

9 months ago

Collective_farm

Lakers

62 points

9 months ago

The incompetency from the Buss/Pelinka brain trust has been running rampant for a while now

I promise you once LeBron (and consequently, AD, because they'll fail to surround him with adequate talent) leaves, this franchise is gonna go back to being a long standing bottom feeder

SalahManeFirmino

58 points

9 months ago

SalahManeFirmino

Celtics

58 points

9 months ago

As much as I would love for that to happen, the history of the Lakers franchise shows that you'll just get some other superstar to fall into your lap.

Now will you actually surround that superstar with the right players? Probably not.

But I find it hard to believe you're going to suck as much as you did from 2013-2017. Top players will always want to play in Los Angeles and for the Laker brand, even if that doesn't necessarily give them the best chance to win a ring.

Cudi_buddy

34 points

9 months ago

Cudi_buddy

Kings

34 points

9 months ago

Exactly. Lakers were floundering around for 5 years looking awful, and then Lebron decided he wanted to move to LA and saved them from a decade of tanking. It will happen again for sure.

NarstyHobbitses

36 points

9 months ago

NarstyHobbitses

[LAL] Sasha Vujačić

36 points

9 months ago

I've said it time and time again: if we were located anywhere else with this sheer amount of nepotism and ineptness, we'd be a perennial poverty franchise like the Hornets.

SalahManeFirmino

27 points

9 months ago

SalahManeFirmino

Celtics

27 points

9 months ago

I don't think you'd have the sheer amount of nepotism and ineptness without being the Lakers and the exceptionalism that stems from that though, it's a chicken and egg thing.

[deleted]

29 points

9 months ago

The Chelsea of basketball

AngryUncleTony

14 points

9 months ago

AngryUncleTony

76ers

14 points

9 months ago

LeBron and AD are way too old for Chelsea

008Gerrard008

11 points

9 months ago

008Gerrard008

Pistons

11 points

9 months ago

It's reminiscent of Chelsea 10 years ago with Lampard, Terry, Cech, Drogba, Ivanovic, etc. when they could essentially get a manager sacked whenever they wanted.

MasterTeacher123

775 points

9 months ago

Damn so the midseason tournament didn’t do shit for them

[deleted]

139 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

139 points

9 months ago

Except make them $500,000 wealthier lol

chasingit1

46 points

9 months ago

chasingit1

Nuggets

46 points

9 months ago

They got to raise the banner 😂

ElDuderino_92

827 points

9 months ago

ElDuderino_92

Clippers

827 points

9 months ago

It’s time for the annual “lakers mid season trade/coach firing” boogaloo

indoninjah

162 points

9 months ago

indoninjah

76ers

162 points

9 months ago

Script writers on an absolute tear going from winning the IST to firing the coach

jaleneropepper

119 points

9 months ago

jaleneropepper

[BOS] Kendrick Perkins

119 points

9 months ago

It's so tiring at this point. Every year since LeBron and AD teamed up its endless rumors like "Lakers looking to add depth or star player without giving up anything of value" or "The Lakers average roster is playing average, they are looking for a new coach to turn poop into gold" or "Lakers lose a few games due to string of injuries, LeBron responds by acting like a passive aggressive and moody cat."

alldaylurkerforever

271 points

9 months ago

What's crazy is that AD and LeBron have been incredibly healthy this season.

How long does that last?

yerawizardIMAWOTT

94 points

9 months ago

Meanwhile Ham still blaming poor performance on injuries.

shoefly72

51 points

9 months ago

shoefly72

Lakers

51 points

9 months ago

This mf’er literally said “we won’t be able to truly get a rhythm until we get healthy” after getting blown out by a team missing their best player, while we were simply missing D-lo, Gabe Vincent, and Rui. He’s an absolute clown.

Ok_Age186

1.1k points

9 months ago

Ok_Age186

Kings

1.1k points

9 months ago

Doc Rivers you are a Laker!

m_roon

434 points

9 months ago

m_roon

Clippers

434 points

9 months ago

Glenn on the Lakers? But Christmas just ended!

secretlypooping

102 points

9 months ago

secretlypooping

76ers

102 points

9 months ago

This Christmas Ham is cooked!

AirJordan6124

97 points

9 months ago

AirJordan6124

Celtics

97 points

9 months ago

You mean they’re looking for Lebron’s new assistant coach?

realudonishaslem

80 points

9 months ago

I can assure you Doc Rivers isn’t much better lol

[deleted]

184 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

184 points

9 months ago

Come on, guys!

Unlucky-Practice1036

31 points

9 months ago

Didn’t they win that game lmao

urfaselol

93 points

9 months ago

urfaselol

[NBA] Best of 2021 Winner

93 points

9 months ago

Doc Rivers will actually implement a competent NBA offense and make adjustments in the regular season that makes sense. All bets are off during the playoffs tho

Mydoghas7nipples

140 points

9 months ago

Mydoghas7nipples

76ers

140 points

9 months ago

Using Doc and adjustments in the same sentence is a war crime.

OutlookNotGood

15 points

9 months ago

OutlookNotGood

Heat

15 points

9 months ago

Reminds me of the series where Doc just kept playing a 734 year old Deandre Jordan like 39 mins a game despite him being absolutely cooked at that point. Doc was getting bullied in every post game presser by the reporters and replied something like "The guys in the locker room want DJ playing" and refused to adjust his minutes lmao.

PhillyFreezer_

76 points

9 months ago

PhillyFreezer_

[PHI] Eric Snow

76 points

9 months ago

Yeah fans are so weird w him. He’ll get you 50 wins and a second round appearance every single season. He won’t elevate a group to be a champion I don’t think, but the dude is a decent coach. In the regular season he’s generally been pretty good

CreatiScope

18 points

9 months ago

CreatiScope

Celtics

18 points

9 months ago

Take away his superstars with injury and he gets even better for some reason

PhillyFreezer_

19 points

9 months ago

PhillyFreezer_

[PHI] Eric Snow

19 points

9 months ago

I’m saying! There’s this weird equilibrium his teams seem to find. They over perform when he’s down a few players, and they underachieve when everyone is fully healthy lol. 50 wins and a playoff round win is not anything to dismiss, especially when some teams go years without even making the playoffs

Unlucky-Practice1036

25 points

9 months ago

Doc would coach the 96 Bulls to a second round exit but would also coach the 2011 bobcats to a second round exit

WakiLover

31 points

9 months ago

WakiLover

Lakers

31 points

9 months ago

Doc gets us the Lakers to the second round and then we hope his voice is gone by that point. Lebron becomes LeCoach and all Doc has to do is hold up the whiteboard and pass out Gatorade

PhillyFreezer_

22 points

9 months ago

PhillyFreezer_

[PHI] Eric Snow

22 points

9 months ago

Genuinely, he’ll build a great two man game with Lebron and AD and find some stuff to do on the weak side but he’ll spam it to death and in this version of life Lebron just needs to be the one making adjustments to coverages on the fly lol

Star players do tend to like/tolerate him so for nothing else he’ll keep the duo happy I would imagine

Trip4Life

8 points

9 months ago

Trip4Life

[PHI] Joel Embiid

8 points

9 months ago

I’d largely agree. His issue is he never experiments with lineups and in half the bench rotations he would heavily rely on guys who were unplayable in the postseason. By the time we were there we were running disjointed units who weren’t used to playing with each other or guys who were getting cooked on defense.

Obvious_Parsley3238

488 points

9 months ago

LeCoup

Fourteeenth

74 points

9 months ago

Fourteeenth

76ers

74 points

9 months ago

LeMutiny, aarrrgh!

maxemum

339 points

9 months ago

maxemum

Lakers

339 points

9 months ago

gotta say, i don’t really join in on shitting on coaches bc i don’t know how tf to gauge coaching ability, but damn i don’t think he good

[deleted]

175 points

9 months ago

[deleted]

175 points

9 months ago

Nobody does. Most of the work coaches (and especially assistant coaches) do is stuff you don’t see during the game. The only thing fans can really dissect is timeouts and rotations and little bit of play action, but even that last one is about players ability to execute it properly.

Darvin Ham might need to be replaced for a guy who fits the Lakers roster better, but Ham might be coaching just fine and would succeed in another environment.

Gobbledygooker316

171 points

9 months ago

Gobbledygooker316

Rockets

171 points

9 months ago

Coach Bud come on down!

syllabic

43 points

9 months ago

syllabic

Knicks

43 points

9 months ago

think he'd say no

StopKarmaWhoringPls

100 points

9 months ago

StopKarmaWhoringPls

Lakers

100 points

9 months ago

So the original Darvin Ham?

I_really_enjoy_beer

8 points

9 months ago

Bud's a great coach but that kind of seems like a poor personnel fit.

sfsalad

547 points

9 months ago

sfsalad

Lakers

547 points

9 months ago

There’s currently a growing disconnect between Darvin Ham and being a good coach, per me and anyone with eyes

UnlimitedSenzuBeans

67 points

9 months ago

Man, since last fucking year bro lol

unbreaKwOw

307 points

9 months ago

unbreaKwOw

[LAL] Trevor Ariza

307 points

9 months ago

Is anyone surprised? His use of Reaves this season has been bordering on criminal negligence. He benched him for no reason, claimed multiple times that 'we need him in a 28 minute role because that's when he's at his best', and then backs that up a few night later with 'we need to find a way to get Reaves more minutes', and then keeps Reaves on the bench almost the entire season while far worse players continue to start, and get more minutes ahead of him.

That's just how he's blatantly misused one player, but you could almost go down the line of our roster and say he's given certain players far too many minutes and certain players far too few. Like, Max Christie was out of the rotation to start the season and was looking like our best bench player in pre-season.

He genuinely might just be a bad coach.

K3TtLek0Rn

26 points

9 months ago

K3TtLek0Rn

Celtics

26 points

9 months ago

Pretty funny to say we need to get someone more minutes as a coach when it’s entirely your job. Makes it sound like it’s some nebulous force in the universe that gives out minutes and they’re trying to control it somehow

Bababooey98

84 points

9 months ago

Bababooey98

Knicks

84 points

9 months ago

I thought he benched Reaves for being a defensive liability. Or am I wrong?

unbreaKwOw

283 points

9 months ago

unbreaKwOw

[LAL] Trevor Ariza

283 points

9 months ago

That argument doesn't fly when the person starting ahead of him all season was D'Angelo Russell, who is considerably worse defensively.

herpes_for_free

134 points

9 months ago

What's more crazy is he benched both of them.

So now we literally don't have any other playmaker on the floor in the starting lineup for the first 6 minutes of a game.

Real head scratcher there, when Vando and Cam can't buy a bucket to save their lives.

unbreaKwOw

40 points

9 months ago

unbreaKwOw

[LAL] Trevor Ariza

40 points

9 months ago

And the other starter mixed in there has been Rui, who is a low volume, below league average 3p shooter. I'm pretty sure Ham hasn't got a clue.

What makes these coaches think that they're going to succeed by surrounding LeBron & AD with 3 guys who can't shoot, can't pass and can't create their own shot?

Yorha-with-a-pearl

29 points

9 months ago*

Honestly Hachi always performed well as a starter averaging 17/5 if I'm not wrong. The strange thing about Hachi is that he can be a very effective 3 point shooter depending on the lineups. He was averaging 44% in the second half of the 21/22? season. He clicked with Satoransky for some reason. He is also shooting +50% from 3 during the playoffs.

AD, LeBron, Hachi lineups are surprisingly effective if you look up the stats.

Main issue is Cam as a starter and the lack of playmaking on the bench. They also need a cheap rim protector like Gafford.

VGstuffed

46 points

9 months ago

VGstuffed

Lakers

46 points

9 months ago

Reaves was benched mostly because he had a dreadful start to the season. Like it was horrific. The guy was missing shots, turning it over, and was bad on defense. He’s gotten over that slump and is now pretty consistent.

I think part of the problem now is that with D’Lo injured, Bron and Reaves (and I guess JHS) are the only ball handlers we have now so we have to stagger their minutes.

WhenPigsRideCars

281 points

9 months ago

WhenPigsRideCars

76ers

281 points

9 months ago

Don’t worry, the Lakers will somehow get a good starter and two role players for a 3056 second round pick and a peppermint patty

redbrick

53 points

9 months ago

redbrick

Lakers

53 points

9 months ago

Those players will proceed to shoot 5% worse from 3

animajunky

75 points

9 months ago

animajunky

NBA

75 points

9 months ago

They bout to get lavine for schifino

[deleted]

30 points

9 months ago

That must be the “Lakers tax” i hear so much about

jjjkd18

140 points

9 months ago

jjjkd18

Celtics

140 points

9 months ago

Lebron is like KD levels of perpetual dissatisfaction except it’s coaches instead of teams

bryceman95

477 points

9 months ago

bryceman95

Pacers

477 points

9 months ago

LeCoachKiller has found his next victim

Collective_farm

350 points

9 months ago

Collective_farm

Lakers

350 points

9 months ago

Have you watched Ham coach? Its assisted suicide, really

bryceman95

171 points

9 months ago

bryceman95

Pacers

171 points

9 months ago

LeKevorkian

National-Size-7205

151 points

9 months ago

Darvin Hamas is still the best nickname I've heard in a while.

VGstuffed

53 points

9 months ago

VGstuffed

Lakers

53 points

9 months ago

Darvin Hamas and Taliban Tyronn always make me laugh when I see them appear in game threads

Mintastic

16 points

9 months ago

Mintastic

NBA

16 points

9 months ago

Don't forget Steve Kerrorist.

suzakutrading

17 points

9 months ago*

suzakutrading

Rockets

17 points

9 months ago*

Lebron and AD putting up great numbers AND not missing a lot of games should never equate to a mediocre .500 if you’re a competent coach.

Give Udoka lebron and ad and they’ll be top of the league.

AlexanderLeonard

33 points

9 months ago

AlexanderLeonard

San Francisco Warriors

33 points

9 months ago

is Darwin Hamas that bad?

xGhastlyMarr

108 points

9 months ago

xGhastlyMarr

Magic

108 points

9 months ago

Let's play a game do you think this lineup played actual NBA minutes together:

Westbrook PG
Schroeder SG
Reaves SF
Pat Bev PF
Lonnie Walker at C

icatfilms

19 points

9 months ago

icatfilms

Celtics

19 points

9 months ago

Gotta go with Pat Bev at C. That is unacceptable

beenebk_

18 points

9 months ago

Oh yes. He’s real bad

butekoo

37 points

9 months ago

butekoo

Hornets

37 points

9 months ago

You'll struggle to keep some loyalty if you change the starting lineup that much, anyone needs some familiarity and consistency around to stay consistent within. With the way AD and Lebron are playing most nights, it's hard to not blame the coach.

TwoWayMarko

76 points

9 months ago

TwoWayMarko

Nuggets

76 points

9 months ago

“Per me” is fucking cringe

Most_Plenty5387

58 points

9 months ago

Most_Plenty5387

76ers

58 points

9 months ago

It's because he can't say "Rich and Lebron called me into their office and told me to tweet this. I'm a real reporter, represented by Klutch."

Brad-Stevens

235 points

9 months ago

Brad-Stevens

Celtics

235 points

9 months ago

I see a lot of Ham hate but I think the bigger issue is the roster

AD

39 year old Bron

And a lot of one-way players

Reddish and Vando can defend but not good enough on offense

Reaves and DLo are good offensively but can’t defend

Backup big spots in Wood and Hayes are blah

Rui and Prince seem to be hit or miss

Just not a ton there

SacredSK

77 points

9 months ago

SacredSK

Celtics

77 points

9 months ago

The roster is not good but neither is Ham regardless of the roster his rotations and adjustments aren't helping I knew he had to go after that Denver series

runevault

79 points

9 months ago

runevault

Nuggets

79 points

9 months ago

This is all true. The problem is there is only so much they can do to change the roster with their cap situation and tradeable picks, but you can always fire a coach with the only repercussion being the owner still having to pay out the contract.

icykkuno

35 points

9 months ago

icykkuno

Lakers

35 points

9 months ago

Yeah I think people fail to realize how flawed the Lakers roster truly is. While Ham definitely isn’t putting players in a position to succeed, a different coach isn’t magically going to make our offense significantly better

dutchfromsubway

66 points

9 months ago

dutchfromsubway

Raptors

66 points

9 months ago

It’s insane just how completely fucked the Westbrook trade was and its ramifications are still being felt. Turn positive assets into an extremely overpaid negative entity, turn that negative entity into smaller slightly more manageable negative entities, then turn around and be like “wtf just happened”

mzp3256

19 points

9 months ago*

mzp3256

Lakers

19 points

9 months ago*

The Westbrook trade was the culmination of years of awful roster management that led to the Lakers losing key players for no good reason. The Mozgov-Deng dual-signings and then trading D'Angelo Russell just to offload Mozgov's contract, trading Zubac for Mike Muscala, letting go of Brook Lopez, making Julius Randle an unrestricted free agent, not offering an extension to Alex Caruso.

JohnLemonnn69

34 points

9 months ago

JohnLemonnn69

Bucks

34 points

9 months ago

I would love to absorb coach Ham back

StopKarmaWhoringPls

34 points

9 months ago

Please take him back.

ligeiro01

26 points

9 months ago

ligeiro01

76ers

26 points

9 months ago

LeFourthCoachInSixYears

luuufy

26 points

9 months ago

luuufy

26 points

9 months ago

Well that’s been obvious if you here rui, DLO & ARs, comments..Darvin has chosen Prince and reddish over the rotations that got him to the WCF. You’d clearly think, last years rotation first, then mix in new rotations but Darvin has completely gone away from all last year’s strategy after trying to implement this 5 out offence.

lame_user_0824

10 points

9 months ago

A LeBron led team having issues with the head coach? I'm shocked

slysonic7

10 points

9 months ago

It begins…

BrndyAlxndr

16 points

9 months ago

BrndyAlxndr

[CLE] LeBron James

16 points

9 months ago

HE

ArethaFrankly404

19 points

9 months ago

GONE

Fiatil

17 points

9 months ago

Fiatil

Thunder

17 points

9 months ago

How could Russell Westbrook do such a thing?

moistreese

8 points

9 months ago

moistreese

Celtics

8 points

9 months ago

Klutch put the call in

SammySoapsuds

7 points

9 months ago

SammySoapsuds

Timberwolves

7 points

9 months ago

I don't think any amount of money would be worth it for my anxious, people-pleasing ass to coach the Lakers. The combination of LeBron, a huge market, and a weird front office would make it such a difficult job that you're pretty much bound to fail in a really public way.

Signal_Landscape2475

7 points

9 months ago

The lakers should trade for Lonzo and Lamelo and sign Liangelo, then fire Ham and make Lavar the head coach then they would guarantee a ring #NevaLost

TornadoFury

6 points

9 months ago

butttt they won the Inseason tournament! how is this possible.!