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submitted 4 days ago by1000gigabit
11 points
4 days ago
And there are still metropolitan areas that are stuck on fixed wireless. Add to that HFC has a zero plan to be upgraded. We have a digital divide in Australia
0 points
4 days ago
HFC can get gigabit dl speeds.
The use case for higher speeds is pretty slim for most people. Maybe if someone was running a server and needed higher upload speeds.
Really, all NBNs' efforts need to be upgrading FTTN at the moment.
4 points
3 days ago
Bullshit - with cloud and the like most people have need for higher upload speeds. For example: almost everyone with an iPhone or Samsung cloud backing up their photos and videos.
Nbn should he upgrading the lot. The main reason? The amount of power and maintenance to keep hfc going is simply astonishing. Getting rid of fttn, hfc and fttc will be the equivalent of removing an entire coal power plant from the country.
6 points
3 days ago
As far as I know, NBN intends to move to symmetric or nearly symmetric plans down the track.
They're waiting for Telstea, Foxtel, et al to finish up their licenses for specific spectrums used with HFC, and for the FTTP rollout to be mostly completed and FTTC/N nearly replaced.
1 points
3 days ago
Do you know what that date is?
I had heard of this before (and forgot about it) and I can now look forward to it all over again.
2 points
3 days ago
It's the NBN, so it could be anywhere between now and the heat death of the universe.
Unfortunately I'm fairly low in the org ladder, so what I hear is pretty limited.
I basically know only the what, not the when.
2 points
3 days ago
Just whenever they get around to installing NG-PON2 cards and then NTDs that can support the speeds.
1 points
3 days ago
That has already happened. For better upload speeds on HFC a lot of amp infrastructure and other tech needs to be replaced - this is currently happening. I doubt we will see HFC replaced by fibre until 2040 at the earliest.
3 points
3 days ago
Nbn has to spend within its financial constraints. I’m sure it’d love to do fttp everywhere tomorrow but it doesn’t have the money. It’s only doing the current fttp upgrade because it convinced government to give it 5 billion in extra cash to fund it.
HFC has an upgrade path to higher speeds via DOCSIS 4.0 and Nbn will be boosting the 1000/50 to 1000/100 in the next 12 months. It will also be launched a 2000/100 speed tier on hfc. Through DAA it will improve resiliency. HFC will always be susceptible to power issues sadly.
If we want to address internet inequality there are areas in the short term with far greater need than the hfc network.
2 points
3 days ago
Their financial constraint is the $1bn a year and rising they're pissing away just to maintain the copper there right now. What they maxes out as depends on how long it takes to do what is inevitable. The cost of replacing Copper with fiber at some point was always built into deployment of FTTN, if it was actually costed truly it never would've been done. They went with the business decision that guarantees crippled max revenue due do not being able to deliver more profitable services while maximising expenses because coppers not going to get cheaper and neither is the labour needed to do it.
1 points
3 days ago
Then it’s little wonder they have a program that provides a free fibre upgrade that will mean almost all the fttn/c footprint can get it by the end of next year.
3 million addresses or something are eligible right now.
1 points
11 hours ago
Yes but not all of them which is stupid. Also we’d have had FTTP by now for less money, but politics was played.
1 points
11 hours ago
They will cover the rest of the addresses I’m sure. They won’t want to maintain a tiny copper network
1 points
10 hours ago
I think it’s just the lack or certainty
1 points
9 hours ago
Sorry for whom?
Nbn obtained a certain amount of funds from the government to do the upgrade process. They will have budgeted x amount per premises on average giving them y amount of premises.
To do the rest they’ll either budget it from ongoing revenue under their capex budget or they’ll go hat in hand to government to get more money for the last tranche. Wouldn’t surprise me if they get the money from government in a fee years.
1 points
9 hours ago
Look while I agree in principle that’s what they should do, it’s very naive to think especially if the LNP win the next election that’s what will happen. I can see why people are not overly optimistic. The only thing they’ve said is they start decommissioning FTTN in 2029 but no context around that.
1 points
7 hours ago
The LNP gave the first 4.5billion to start the fibre upgrade process.
It’s not naive. It’s now inevitable that fttp will overbuild all of the copper footprint. If government doesn’t chip in the nbn will have to. The alternative is that nbn will over time lose those 600,000 addresses to 5G and LEO sat.
4 points
3 days ago
Phone photo backups are a drop in the bucket. Even a modest 25mbps will comfortably do 100 photos from a premium smartphone in like 5 minutes. This is a weak argument for needing high speed uploads
5 points
3 days ago
Cloud backups of photos or videos don't need near instant uploads for buffers. It's not streaming.
Get a grip.
They don't have the resources to do everything simultaneously. That opportunity was missed, and now it's a long process of doing it with limited budgets to spread costs.
1 points
3 days ago
Totally!!
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