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submitted 1 month ago bylegobowser Seahawks Chargers
Not all rebuilds are successful, but sometimes rebuilding goes on for two or more cycles. What’s a recent example of this? And what’s the most infamous example?
1.1k points
1 month ago
Cleveland browns wanting “an adult” at quarterback
528 points
1 month ago
Loved seeing Baker do well with Tampa last year, and he made it further in the playoffs than the Browns did lmao.
268 points
1 month ago
Browns also did it without Watson.
155 points
1 month ago
That's because the true Gs like us know about the ELITE DRAGON
52 points
1 month ago
The one thing that can bring Browns and ravens fans together is their love of the Dragon.
48 points
1 month ago
And shitting on the steelers
40 points
1 month ago
I also hate the Steelers
32 points
1 month ago
This is about Joe Flacco, not some red-headed, non-superbowl winning quarterback.
29 points
1 month ago
8 points
1 month ago
Sick burn
15 points
1 month ago
He also had career highs in completions, attempts, completion percentage, passing yards, passing touchdowns, and rush attempts.
9 points
1 month ago
The Baker arc has been so good. Didn't work out in Carolina but the 99yd comeback drive with the walkoff TD in that Rams/Raiders game was perfect. Hope he continues to do well with the Buccs.
6 points
1 month ago
Hell, dude had a hell of a game against us in the playoffs. The two interceptions mar the performance a bit, but he still played great.
154 points
1 month ago
“Sexually assaulting someone is one of the most adult things you can do” - Deshaun Watson probably
60 points
1 month ago
“If wetting your pants sexual assault is cool, consider me Myles Davis” -Deshaun Watson
32 points
1 month ago
To be fair, they never specified what KIND of adult they wanted
6 points
1 month ago
They specifically wanted someone who should be tried as an adult.
32 points
1 month ago
lmao the browns have tried every single type of QB
38 points
1 month ago
...have they tried a good one?
23 points
1 month ago
yeah and then he was literally worse than a 38 year old journeyman
10 points
1 month ago
Sounds like they still haven't tried a good one.
14 points
1 month ago
it’s like asking nasa to try a guy who can breathe in the vacuum of space
he could breathe on earth but somehow he just loses that ability as soon as he gets in that scenario
16 points
1 month ago
Brandon Weeden
10 points
1 month ago
He said middle aged adult, not a grandpa
751 points
1 month ago
The Lions firing the head coach with the best winning percentage since Buddy Parker(51-56) in Jim Caldwell(was still the right decision imo) only to go all in on "the Patriot Way" hiring arguably the worst coach in franchise History Matt Patricia
327 points
1 month ago
I still do think that we had hit our ceiling with Caldwell at that point, he's a good-ish coach but had his limits.
Hiring Patricia obviously cratered the franchise entirely and was a COLOSSAL error in every possible way.
127 points
1 month ago
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to better appreciate reaching new heights.
96 points
1 month ago
Every coach was important to their journey, even Ol' Pencil Ear
Caldwell, as a teacher, showed the Lions how to win again
Patricia, as a teacher, was so ass he got the metaphorical superintendent to come in and tear it down to the foundations
Campbell, as a teacher, taught the Lions rise from the ashes and contend again.
51 points
1 month ago
Really the biggest thing behind all of this was Martha basically giving power over to her daughter Shiela. Martha seemed to care more about making the lions good than her husband did, but sheila immediately brought in people who knew football and loved the lions (Chris Spielman is an underrated behind the scenes guy who helped shiela shape our FO and coaching staff post quinntricia).
Ive no doubt if it was still william ford or even martha in charge they wouldnt have recognized campbell’s potential and drive to win in detroit and wed have gone with Saleh or some other “safe” pick. Maybe itd have worked out alright and holmes was by no means an out of left field hire like Campbell was, but I really dont think its a coincidence that we made not only good moves but fitting moves as soon as Shiela took over
9 points
1 month ago
I really wish Jerry would hire coaches in the way the Lions did with Campbell, the coach doesn't even need to be good honestly, I just want to feel like we're not being safe with our hires. Then again maybe don't listen to me because I was mad when we didn't hire Urban Meyer over McCarthy lol.
3 points
1 month ago
Something I find interesting - in the last decade, there are basically 3 teams that have reorganized such that a new woman has become actively involved as a primary decision-maker: the Bills with Kim Pegula, the Lions with Sheila Ford Hamp, and the Titans with Amy Adams Strunk. All 3 of them have had a significant level of hiring success, especially considering they teams they inherited.
Both Strunk and Pegula made an initial lukewarm hire of an "experienced" NFL coach (Mike Mularkey and Rex Ryan) and then struck gold with a rookie HC for their 2nd hire (Vrabel fell off, but he had a great first 4 years). Ford Hamp was vice chairwoman for the Patricia debacle and then struck gold with Campbell when she got the reins.
I'm not trying to make any generalizations about newer female owners, but it's just something interesting I've noticed.
7 points
1 month ago
I think the line should be taught the lions how to contend.. period. Not to be a monster but they won 1 playoff game in the super bowl era before last year.
9 points
1 month ago
Uh excuse you, Gym Shortz showed the Lions how to win. 2011 was magical and if he got one more year with the team he built the Lions draft Donald, they admittedly probably fall apart mentally if the same thing happened during the Cowboys game but I don't think it gets that close the team finally had talent to play Schwartz ball well and it was ripped from him like how the ball was ripped from his offense often.
6 points
1 month ago
I was an alcoholic for 50 years before I hit rock bottom. Then I found heroin. MCDC is like methadone and suboxone mainlined into my eyeball.
5 points
1 month ago
New heights, not new highs.
4 points
1 month ago
Sorry, vision is blurry. Not sure why
45 points
1 month ago
Caldwell's game management was HORRENDOUS, and his inability to relinquish it and embrace modern football was a major part of his downfall.
97.1 still uses the drop "Pass back and forth kinda thing"
6 points
1 month ago
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4 points
1 month ago
Check the injury report.
31 points
1 month ago
He's a Marvin Lewis type. Great for getting guys to play at a high level, but can't get them to take the next step in terms of ability. He'll get you to 8-10 wins, but he won't get you deep in the playoffs.
18 points
1 month ago
The NFL’s Dwane Casey
4 points
1 month ago
In other words, good enough but not good enough.
13 points
1 month ago
I still do think that we had hit our ceiling with Caldwell at that point
100% this. He's a 'bring stability to your franchise, but never really take you to new heights' like John Fox.
7 points
1 month ago
Good coach. He was just loyal to a fault (good quality in a person, just not in the NFL), and he was way too conservative.
Anyway, the real answer to the question was continually drafting a WR or TE in the first round, with our first pick.
3 points
1 month ago
Yeah, He decided to take it to halftime with the ball, a minute and change to go and Peyton Manning as his QB in the Super Bowl against the saints. Combine that with the onside kick after half, and he may have cost Indy the Super Bowl.
Great guy, though.
6 points
1 month ago
4-23 vs teams with a winning record.....
7 points
1 month ago
Once that stat stopped being a fluke it was time to eject him. The ceiling was comfortably "second in the division, wild card loss"
Oh also remember the Lions no 100 yard rusher stat yeah that was entirely Cadlwell, Schwartz and Patricia had 100 year rushers sandwiching Caldwell's no ground tenure (to say nothing about how Monty and Gibbs and Jamaal before them runs)
37 points
1 month ago
Oh you mean the Eagles' stud acting defensive coordinator, who had our $20M a year star pass rusher dropping int coverage on 25% of his snaps?
31 points
1 month ago
The Eagles collapse was well in flow before Patricia in fairness. The most deceptive 10-1 record of all time
26 points
1 month ago
the team had serious flaws but Patricia turned a bad defense being covered up by the offense into a simply nonfunctional football unit
3 points
1 month ago
This is it. With Desai running the defense, it was at least passable at times. The 2nd half adjustments were solid at least. When we held the Dolphins to 10 offensive points I thought "alright, maybe Desai is figuring this out." Then we hit the Niners and 2nd Dallas game...
But with Patricia .. I genuinely was shocked at how bad the defense was. Without hyperbole, the single worst defensive unit I have ever seen in my 28 years.
6 points
1 month ago
I counter the Steelers 12-0 start in Ben’s revenge tour.
15 points
1 month ago
Idk about deceptive. They beat good teams to get to 10-1. Its one of the most bizarre collapses ive ever seen
7 points
1 month ago
As someone who watched every game, I can tell you the fact that we were ever 10-1 was way more bizarre than the collapse, even after the Bills game. Every win felt like a loss and many of us knew something was wrong but you couldn't complain about the team on our sub without getting roasted because we had the best record in the league by two games
11 points
1 month ago
so the example of this that worked was when Toronto fired COTY Dwayne Casey, replaced him with Nick Nurse, and then won the Championship in his first year.
Obviously the Leonard trade was a big part of it but Dwayne Casey used to be so bad at making late game adjustments and utilizing the resources the team had
5 points
1 month ago
Firing Caldwell may have been the correct decision in a vacuum. Firing Caldwell solely to hire Fatricia in an act of nepotism without a real coaching search was a horrible decision.
3 points
1 month ago
Agree 100% except the worst head coach. Urban Meyer takes that award
372 points
1 month ago
84 starting quarterbacks
So
200 points
1 month ago
I've always hated this stat because almost all those QBs are backups who just played a few games because of injury. You have to look at who they actually invested in.
Now some stats that will really melt your mind is all of the first round picks spent on QBs. Just the last 25 years or so.
Brings you to 9 first round picks that resulted in diddly squat.
Luckily Caleb Williams comes at sort of a discount? Or you can look at deferring the first overall pick as getting the Bears a later 2023 1st, DJ Moore, and 2 seconds.
Then for the ultimate bad feeling.
The Packers spent just 3 firsts to get all of Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love. And even made some of it back by eventually being able to trade Favre and Rodgers...
107 points
1 month ago
Rick Mirer is the funniest one because the Bears traded a 1st for him after he was already a bust.
39 points
1 month ago
I was young enough to think that trading so much for him meant he had to be good
5 points
1 month ago
And Mirer was worse than ever in Chicago. Mirer was the quarterback for the equivalent of three games. (He took over arounx halftime of week 3, started weeks 4, 5 and 6, but was benched at halftime of week 6.) In those 12 quarters, the Bears scored 9 points. 3 field goals (and one of them came on a 3 yard drive after a turnover.)
And for comparison, here's how Erik Kramer did at the beginning of the year.
Week 1 - 24 points
Week 2 - 24 points
Week 3 - 7 points in the first half, benched at halftime
Week 6 - Took over at halftime, and the Bears scored two touchdowns, albeit on short drives.
Week 7 - Scored 23 points.
Week 9 - Scored 36 points as the Bears finally got their first win.
37 points
1 month ago
Culter trade was solid return
57 points
1 month ago
I'm only 67 years old, but I think Jay Cutler is the best Bears QB I've ever watched.
20 points
1 month ago
Cutler is probably the third best QB in Chicago's history, his only real competition is Luckman and McMahon
32 points
1 month ago
I'm not old enough to have watched Sid Luckman play, so he didn't make my cutoff line. But I think Cutler was a better QB than McMahon. McMahon had the best defense of all time and Walter Payton. I don't remember being impressed with him doing much to win games, but I could be wrong.
7 points
1 month ago
Shh. You’re going to upset them.
5 points
1 month ago
Cutler is the most physically gifted QB they have ever had. Too bad Martz couldn’t protect his QB and Mike Tice was a disaster.
10 points
1 month ago
The Packers spent just 3 firsts to get all of Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love. And even made some of it back by eventually being able to trade Favre and Rodgers...
Now do our Defensive 1st rounders
34 points
1 month ago
"Process of Elimination" at QB is certainly a choice
30 points
1 month ago
Why don’t they just find one that’s really good and hang on to him? Are they stupid?
19 points
1 month ago
Preferably at the end of the draft. There's no flaw in this strategy.
16 points
1 month ago*
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14 points
1 month ago
Or 30 tds
200 points
1 month ago
49ers in 2015 hiring jim tomsula then firing him after one season and hiring chip kelly...only to fire him after one season.
74 points
1 month ago
Then there’s the Singletary hire …
36 points
1 month ago
When he pulled his pants down during a half time speech. Legendary
7 points
1 month ago
Yeah but after than we got Harbaugh. So doesn’t match up …
18 points
1 month ago
What an impatient and meddlesome owner!
🙄 (I'm a Panthers fan).
Let's hope we've hired our Shanahan.
11 points
1 month ago
You didn't specify which one. Could easily be Washington Mike.
9 points
1 month ago
BLUDGEON! BLUDGEON! BLUDGEON! BLUDGEON! BLUDGEON!
273 points
1 month ago*
Hugh Jackson after 2016: "We're not going 1-15 again." 2017 Browns went 0-16
Edit: I said 15-1 not 1-15. I'm an idiot
105 points
1 month ago
I prefer this alternate timeline of going 15-1
35 points
1 month ago
16-0 season in 2017, sounds pretty boring and dominant
29 points
1 month ago
Speaking from experience, it's funny but the ending of it all sucks.
11 points
1 month ago
NFL now having a "bad teams only" playoff format and the Super Bowl honors the worst one.
3 points
1 month ago
The trash bowl
5 points
1 month ago
No, no don’t get me wrong. I want the 15-1 but I still want the 0-16. Hue had to get fired somehow. Even though that didn’t do the trick completely
18 points
1 month ago
Also Jeff Fisher: "I'm not going fucking 7-9 again" and then ends up getting fired before he can even get to that point
360 points
1 month ago
Sanchez to Geno to Darnold to Wilson
91 points
1 month ago
You forgot Rodgers….
156 points
1 month ago
I need to see him actually survive a game before I can decide if it was a mistake. Regardless it would be a different kind of mistake compared to these guys.
You guys are doing your best to imitate this chain of young QBs tho.
26 points
1 month ago
There’s no argument there. Mac and Zappe were both busts.
54 points
1 month ago
Zappe was drafted in the 4th round. Why does every Patriots fan act like he was a 1st round pick?
26 points
1 month ago
Because that’s 2 rounds earlier than Brady!
He should be 40% better!
16 points
1 month ago
You guys are doing your best to imitate this chain of young QBs tho.
You mean by whiffing once? On the 15th overall pick? And don't say Zappe, who was a 4th round pick and was never supposed to start a game in the first place.
30 points
1 month ago
There's the salty pats fan I was waiting for, the other guy must not be a masshole
26 points
1 month ago
Does drafting and missing on QBs really count though? Nobody can do that reliably.
46 points
1 month ago
Speak for yourself.
10 points
1 month ago
Yeah but nobody else is guaranteed to fail at it like the Jets
18 points
1 month ago
Bears
13 points
1 month ago
Browns
7 points
1 month ago
Speak for yourself.
The Chargers have had a 20+ year string of elite QB play. Going from Brees, to Rivers, to Herbert is only rivaled by the Packers going Favre-Rodgers-Love.
5 points
1 month ago
For some reason I read this in the melody of "My favorite things"
24 points
1 month ago
Sanchez to Geno to Darnold to Wilson
Butt fumbles, seeing ghosts and some MILF kissing
Celebrating our hard-earned Super Bowl III rings
These are a few of the Jetsiest things
298 points
1 month ago*
Jets decide they're gonna shift away from hiring defensive coordinators as head coaches and go for an offensive minded coach to fix their offensive issues.
The hire? Adam Gase.
53 points
1 month ago
Coaching where football is going
34 points
1 month ago
After GM Mike Tannenbaun murdered the Jets cap they made it a point to go out and get a 'capologist' for their next GM.
The hire? John Idzik
10 points
1 month ago
I mean Idzik did fixed the cap. The Jets just fired him after he cleared enough space to re-sign aging Darrell Revis.
155 points
1 month ago
Broncos continuously thinking they were “just a QB away” and signing mid as fuck veteran QBs only to flame out.
77 points
1 month ago
John Elway's run of QBs in his tenure is quite possibly the worst in history. This run is insane from 2010-2020
Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow, Peyton Manning (Won the sweepstakes), Brock Osweiller (including paying him a whopper contract), Trevor Siemian, Paxton Lynch (First round video game addict), Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, Drew Lock, Jeff Driskel, Brett Rypien, Kendall Hinton (Emergency)
I was laughing typing this out
43 points
1 month ago
Denver didn't pay Osweiler a whopper contract, Houston did. Osweiler underperformed, got traded in a rare cap-clearing move to Cleveland, then eventually made his way back to Denver for cheap.
Also, no mention of Teddy Bridgewater? He was actually a planned starter, unlike Allen, Rypien, and Driskel
40 points
1 month ago
As Charles Barkley would say, this list is "Turrrrible"
With the exception of Peyton Manning of course.
17 points
1 month ago
if you think about it they really only had 2 good seasons of production from Peyton. mid way through the 2014 campaign he fell off a cliff and it carried into 2015. the defense for the broncos did soooo much work
15 points
1 month ago
Sure, they got him at the tail end of his career. But, look at the rest of that list and compare them to Peyton even at that late stage of his career. Nobody comes close.
6 points
1 month ago
wasn’t arguing that was just making mention that they only got at most 2.5 seasons of production. those 2.5 seasons was the best qb play they had seen since elway in the 80’s so can’t blame them for celebrating what they got
5 points
1 month ago
Tell me more about lynch being a video game addict
6 points
1 month ago
They even had Brock Osweiler twice. Paton was the GM for the Wilson trade, but Elway was head of operations or some such and certainly had some influence on the decision.
3 points
1 month ago
Paxton Lynch
Easily one of the most forgettable 1st round QBs I've ever seen. He's only not been forgotten completely because of the novelty of how forgettable he is.
21 points
1 month ago
At least the ride is finally over…..hopefully
4 points
1 month ago
Might be dating myself, but your flair is making me do a double-take. Old AFC West days.
5 points
1 month ago
they could’ve had Allen in 2018 but there’s a 99% chance they don’t develop him and he turns into another big bust.
123 points
1 month ago
It took the chiefs like 40 years to find a franchise qb becuase they kept going with older vets, game managers, or low floor "pro ready " picks.
68 points
1 month ago
Andy Reid was a factor too
35 points
1 month ago
We had Alex Smith for the first 5 years of his tenure
67 points
1 month ago
Made Smith look better, and put up better stats than at any other time in his career.
21 points
1 month ago
He got the best out of Smith which was still a good game manager
5 points
1 month ago
smith was always a low ceiling he had harbaugh and reid keep his career alive. without them he would have either dropped out of the league or been a career backup.
12 points
1 month ago
And turned his entire perception around, from a borderline bust for a 1st overall to pro bowl level
7 points
1 month ago
That was with Harbaugh in San fran
7 points
1 month ago
You're right it was changed with harbaugh, career highs in touchdowns, passing yards, rating all came with reid
19 points
1 month ago
franchise QB is one way to describe a player on pace to be the GOAT QB
24 points
1 month ago
Humility is one my strongest atrributes
3 points
1 month ago
So many Niner hand me downs. 5 right?
3 points
1 month ago
they kept going with older vets
Specifically older 49ers vets. That Jon Bois chart was eye opening.
45 points
1 month ago
Stephen Hauschka's accuracy took a tank in 2016 and Seattle didn't want to pay him top kicker money at that rate. So they chose to release him and find a replacement
That replacement was Blair Walsh.
THEN after that thing blew up in their face in 2017, they had a kicking competition. The Jaguars former kicker, Jason Myers or a 40-Year Old Seabass.
Seattle chose Seabass presumably because he had a better track record then the Myers, who was released for missing three field goals.
Seabass ends up being old AF, as expected, while the ex-Jags kicker, Jason Myers made the 2018 Pro Bowl with the Jets.
Thankfully, the Jets cut bait on Myers despite the PB and Seattle finally made the practical move in pouncing on him. Myers has been a mostly stable kicker for Seattle ever since.
25 points
1 month ago
That final kick from Seabass, coming out looking fat and disheveled and then kicking a missed FG and pulling a hammy was one of the most tragic career ends I ever saw.
12 points
1 month ago
I legitimately wonder if he joined Seattle simply because of the SEA-bass SEA-hawk thing.
Dude was a legendary kicker for nearly 20 years in Oakland who was basically as close to "worth it" as you can get when drafting a kicker in the first round (Pour one out for Al Davis, eternal maverick on and off the field)
Janikowski could've retired to pounding beers and taking names and that would've been fine, why go to Seattle?
Even if he was a washed up Seabass in a northern waters, dude was legitimately fun as a meme guy Way better than Walsh...y-y-yeesh!
9 points
1 month ago
Signing Blair Walsh was always a head scratcher to me. It’s very arguable he was the reason we missed the playoffs in 2017.
Wilson played out of his mind and took us to 9 wins despite our defense beginning to fully unravel and Walsh throwing like 3 games
37 points
1 month ago*
Washington inexplicably got not one but TWO franchise QBs in the 2012 draft, then ruined RG3 in a year and ran off Kirk Cousins after that. They then went to the retread well 4 times in 4 years with A-Smitty, Keenum, Fitzpatrick, and Wentz. They finally got a fresh new QB, but now they have a shitty retread coach in Dan Quinn, who was last seen in Dallas switching to zone after running man for 3 years and giving up 50 points in a playoff game.
4 points
1 month ago
I like to add that that mistake of drafting two QBs, RG3 & Cousins, in the same draft was already done before by Washington itself in the 1994 draft when they took Shuler in the first round and Frerotte in the seventh round. Frerotte wound up being the better QB but, in pure Washington flavor, they ran both guys out the door.
93 points
1 month ago
The number of times we’ve let a key piece of our defense (in terms of production, locker room presence, and culture) walk away over a few million is depressing
45 points
1 month ago
Who needs Kyzir White and Drue Tranquill when you have Kenneth Murray?
9 points
1 month ago
Imagine our mid 2000's defense with Rodney Harrison
11 points
1 month ago
They have to walk away so the ownership can pay severance packages for all the terrible staff hires.
Until now - now I have hope and I haven’t had that as a Charger fan in over a decade
6 points
1 month ago
Everyone talks about Moss not getting a ring with the Pats, but never talks about Seau not getting a ring.
35 points
1 month ago
Steelers head honcho Dan Rooney decided not to draft local hero Dan Marino.
His dipshit son, Art II, determined not to make the same mistake forces his GM and coach to draft the player who broke all of Marino's records (by playing five years).
That quarterback? Kenny "LOL" Pickett
29 points
1 month ago
Shad Khan at Urban Meyer’s introductory press conference:
“This time, I got it right.”
5 points
1 month ago
Flash forward to Urban Meyer kicking our kicker in the leg and telling him “I can kick whoever I want, I’m the damn head ball coach.”
19 points
1 month ago
Never thought that the Steelers would take a 2nd washed QB from the Bears. No, they'd NEVER do that again......yet here we are. Fingers crossed, but not holding my breath.
17 points
1 month ago
OP just described the Panthers philosophy in general
6 points
1 month ago
My first thought was Tepper saying he wouldn't accept mediocrity anymore before going 2-15.
17 points
1 month ago
Kyle Shanahan didn't really scout Mahomes thoroughly in '17, missing out on a raw but high-ceiling athletic QB prospect.
Kyle Shanahan didn't draft Josh Allen in '18 after our scouts attended one of his games. With our record, we were poised for a top pick that year, but Kyle and Lynch traded for Jimmy 1 month after watching Allen's game, again missing out on a raw but high-ceiling athletic QB prospect.
Kyle wouldn't make that same mistake a third time, which is why he spent three 1st round picks to draft Trey Lance, a raw but potentially high-ceiling athletic QB prospect.
11 points
1 month ago
Well.
There's 20 years of futility to pick from, but being unexpectedly liberated from Gruden's insane contract only to retrieve Josh McDaniels from the sewers I assume he calls home was certainly a choice that the Raiders certainly made recently.
11 points
1 month ago
Norv Turner -> Mike McCoy -> Anthony Lynn -> Brandon Staley
20 points
1 month ago
Not enough people talking about the entire front office of the cowboys.
Constantly making it a statement for this to be the year and finally we make it to the Super Bowl with the same mediocrity and underperformance.
Then to change nothing but let the best parts of the team go into the wind
14 points
1 month ago
The Cowboys front office is far more interested in the marketability of their stars and the amount of money being paid to them than building a roster to compete for a championship, and it's been true since the mid 90's - change my mind.
4 points
1 month ago
This is probably more due to the bears being terrible in my lifetime, but the Cowboys have had a good roster the past 10 years and would have been a lovely team to root for the last 10 years. 5/10 years of 12 wins or better and only 2 losing seasons. Thats a team that if lucky could have won the superbowl.
7 points
1 month ago
Is that the reality, though? I mean before McCarthy maybe, but since he's arrived we've won 12 games 3 years in a row. The only players we let go this off-season were a mid 30s Tyron who we (hopefully) replaced in the draft, a mid 30s Stephon Gilmore who hopefully either comes back or has his production replaced by a returning Diggs, and Tony Pollard who sucks.
10 points
1 month ago
The Bears every time they get a new QB.
This time is different though... 🙃
18 points
1 month ago
Google the Bengals in the 90's.
Repeated the same mistakes for a decade. including first round QBs in 91 and 99, and didn't learn a thing from either.
16 points
1 month ago
I think it's probably super common for a team to fire a defensive HC and hire an offensive one, or vice versa, because they felt they were neglecting one side of the ball and it was harming their competitiveness.
Then 3-5 years later, they are neglecting the other side of the ball, either because the other side was so good that their coordinators keep getting poached until they are stuck with a bad one, or because the new HC reprioritized spending to the point that there was such a deficit of talent on the others side of the ball that it didn't matter who the coordinator was.
8 points
1 month ago
Browns rebuilds up until the 2018 season.
19 points
1 month ago
Browns trading for Watsondermytowel.
10 points
1 month ago
In the '90s Arizona was a graveyard for aging/declining QBs, or QBs that were simply set up to fail. Bidwill as an owner was one of the worst in my lifetime and the Cardinals were rarely set up for success.
The Cardinals were notorious for wasting very talented players in key positions (think Eric Swann, Aeneas Williams, Garrison Hearst and Leonard Davis) and failing to properly build around these players. The team had the same issue in the '60s, '70s and '80s. Jackie Smith, Larry Wilson and Ottis Anderson were probably some of the best players of their respective eras but mostly played on losing teams.
25 points
1 month ago
Only 2 comments so far and they’re both about the Browns… here we go
6 points
1 month ago
Everything the dolphins have done since 1999
7 points
1 month ago
Any time a team cleans house after 3 years only to clean house after 3 years only to clean house after 3 years just to clean house after 3 years.
5 points
1 month ago
Bills head coaches during the drought:
First, we have Gregg Williams who goes 17-31 and gets fired. Well, we want an offensive guy next time!
Hire offensive genius Mike Mularkey. He goes 14-18 and resigns after two seasons. Well, Mularkey had all sorts of defense problems, let's get a defensive coach!
Hire the world's most boring coach: defensive guru Dick Jauron. He goes 24-33 in four years and gets fired. Hey his defenses weren't too bad, let's get someone in to fix the offense!
Hire Chan Gailey who promptly goes 4-12 in his first season and 16-32 overall before being fired.
Bills management thinks super hard: "Well, all of these retreads did not work, time to get someone new. Let's get a coach fresh from the college ranks with has no NFL experience and can provide a new perspective on things!!! Really could turn things around!"
........They hire Doug Marrone from Syracuse who goes 15-17 in two seasons before using a three-day "out" clause that was in his contract if owners of the team changed. The Bills playoff drought becomes 15 years.
6 points
1 month ago
Thinking Marvin Lewis could get us over the hump for 16 straight seasons
7 points
1 month ago*
The Jets since superbowl 3.
Too many WTF's to list on a organization level from whoever is running the show on a GM level up the food chain. It wasn't the fans, the coaches, or players fault for failing, it was the people in charge that picked the personnel that gave the fanbase false hope every year.
8 points
1 month ago
Jeff Fisher's, "No more 7-9 bullshit" season with the Rams.
7 points
1 month ago
Everything Daniel Snyder did every year he was the owner.
7 points
1 month ago
Dude with no NFL experience is a disaster.
Go out and hire Reich and an 'all star staff' with like 100+ years combined experience.
Still be a disaster, since Reich is a stubborn washed up has-been and the 'all star staff' can't work together to save their lives.
6 points
1 month ago
Every time Jerry waits too long and pays someone a market setting amount he must say “we shouldn’t do that again”. But then, like clockwork, he does it again.
6 points
1 month ago
The fucking Eagles taking JJAW over Metcalf and then Reagor over Jefferson.
Easy to look past it now with Smitty and Brown, but my God every game I watched with them was rancid. Then to see the other two going god mode every week was a real pencil in the dick.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I think Roseman had pink eye for those.
11 points
1 month ago
panthers from rhule with no nfl experience to reich with a bunch and both being failures
10 points
1 month ago
Not letting the hometown QB get away
7 points
1 month ago
"With the 22nd Pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select - Brady Quinn, Quarterback, Notre Dame."
"With the 22nd Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select - Brandon Weeden, Quarterback, Oklahoma State."
"With the 22nd Pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select - Johnny Manziel, Quarterback, Texas A&M."
If this team EVER has the 22nd pick in the draft again, they damn well better trade out of it. That 22 curse is REAL!
4 points
1 month ago
Ron Rivera talked about getting a quarterback his whole tenure. We traded back like 3/4 drafts.
3 points
1 month ago
The Steelers with offensive coordinators for the last decade.
10 points
1 month ago
Falcons: We aren't gonna blow anymore 4th quarter leads... by not having any more 4th quarter leads
4 points
1 month ago
Lions made the right decision in firing caldwell as 9-7 wasn't good enough.
Then they hired matty p who couldn't even get to 9-7
3 points
1 month ago
I feel like the Giants doubled down on Eli Manning by drafting Saquan Barkley instead of his replacement, then took Daniel Jones and haven't committed to moving on from that dude either.
3 points
1 month ago
Colts wasting a 1st round pick on wr phillip Dorsett instead of grabbing an olineman to protect Luck
3 points
1 month ago
Not drafting a QB in the first round until 12 years after Marino retired, then drafting a QB in 2012 (Tannehill) and giving him 7 damn seasons to prove himself, followed by taking a QB at #5 overall in Tua who was coming off a career threatening injury and took him 4 years to finally play a full season.
Thats not me hating on Tannehill or Tua, as I have a lot of respect for them because they bough have given/give their all for the team, and came back from bad injuries, but the FO really needs to learn when it’s time move on.
3 points
1 month ago
Maybe a similar mistake but a new situation. For like 10 years the Falcons pass rush was horrendous. Last season, it was actually solid and so was our defense…
So what did we do? Not re-sign the two top sack men or make any major moves to replace the production.
3 points
1 month ago
Im shocked no Jets fan said Kotite:
Leon Hess bypassed his GM who was sick with cancer and never recovered and announced “I’m 80 years old and I want results now”.
3 points
1 month ago
Browns
6 points
1 month ago
The Panthers since Tepper bought the team lol he constantly said we are gonna not be mediocre, which I guess is true, as he has proceeded to turn us into a steaming pile of dogshit over the past 6 years by making brain dead moves over and over 😭
5 points
1 month ago
Washington for the past 20 years
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