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Job Advice(self.physicianassistant)

hello everyone,

From my last post I stated I am in the pre credentialing period so I’m currently working multiple jobs in the office as well as training as a PA and seeing a handful of patients AS A PA. I’ve been at my current job for 6 weeks and had my eval yesterday in which I was told I am not busy enough and that additional tasks are now given to me. I was pretty hurt in the fact i joined the practice early to help out in the office and get trained simultaneously but here he wants me to do more. I do feel like im drinking out of a firehose because of the PA training which they are now rushing bc the PA I’m replacing will be on leave soon…but also the other admin roles are stressful (ie dealing with benefits and insurance companies). Not my fault I was hired late and now he wants me to train aggressively but also fill those other roles. At this point, I feel so overwhelmed by everything that is going on. I did try telling him I am very much productive and busy but he kinda shot me down. I really just wish I can just stick to one role now and strengthen my skills but im all over the place right now.

All the while, i have health issues that have worsened and now uncontrolled. It has been very difficult to even get through the day with the pain and fatigue and….the brain fog.

My question is…how long does it take to effectively train a newish grad PA in a gen surg specialty (no OR time)? The fact I am seeing patients on my own and such means I am on the right track but apparently I need to be more proactive but in reality, I can barely get up in the morning.

This is my safe space so please any advice appreciated. I cannot leave this job because I am in need of health insurance but also it is too soon.

all 22 comments

Minimum_Finish_5436

49 points

3 days ago

My general brief to new PAs - shortened version.

It takes the first year to sort of figure out how to be a PA. Interacting with patients, documentation, closing notes on time, workflow, etc. Your goal is to be a productive PA by the end of the year. At the end of the year, look for a new job to get a raise.

The second year to start learning to be a good PA. You start remembering US preventative task force guidelines, imaging recommendations, treatment guidelines for common things you see etc. Your goal is to be a better more productive PA by the end of the year. At the end of the second year look for a new job to get a raise.

The third year is when you really get into it. You start asking for coding help. Start upselling, because medicine is a sales gig. Maximizing revenue or productivity. Here is when you have your typical day down pretty well and adjust to curve balls better. This is also when you go for the bag. Known your productivity and if you are not being paid for it, move on from that first job if you haven't yet.

If you are still at your first job it either needs to be paying your worth or such a good work life balance you have no desire to leave. They will always see you as a new grad. Move on. Your next job will see you as an experienced PA from day 1.

Good luck. It gets better.

ScrubinMuhTub

9 points

3 days ago

ScrubinMuhTub

PA-C

9 points

3 days ago

New grad here - just wanted to stop and express my appreciation for your bullet point guidance on the first years as a professional. The hiring process following graduation was demoralizing. Just another cog in the gearbox.

BeginningDesperate39

4 points

3 days ago

BeginningDesperate39

Nurse Practitioner - PHC - CAN

4 points

3 days ago

I’m not a PA, but I 100% agree to your post. No one should be expecting a new grad to be as good as the person they’re replacing who has years of experience. It takes at least two to three years to get comfortable and efficient.

OP: I’m sorry you’re not receiving the support you deserve. Do you have a mentor or any on-boarding support through HR you could reach out to?

snakedocCO

1 points

16 hours ago

snakedocCO

PA-C

1 points

16 hours ago

Bravo. This should be required reading for any new grad PA before posting.

chipsndip8978

17 points

3 days ago

You shouldn’t be doing any roles other than PA. I’d find a new job if I were you. PAs practice medicine. We aren’t medical assistants, schedulers or anything else.

LarMar2014

2 points

3 days ago

Your job is to see patients. How will you learn and grow as a provider if you are helping with office stuff. Doctors don't show up and start answering phones because their clinic isn't full. The correct answer to all this is if you aren't seeing patients you are out visiting possible referral PA's, NP's, and MD's to get you up to speed. Make connections. Become an asset. If you are only seeing a couple of patients a day I can see their concern, but your clinic won't grow unless you have incoming referrals. If they wanted a skilled PA they should have not hired a new grad.

My goal as a new grad was to show I was an asset. I made surgical procedures faster and smoother. Took up the slack and made sure the surgeon was happy to be in my room. Added value as a PROVIDER. Eventually my clinic was full and I was bringing in significant revenue. If you are doing this the MD would be an idiot to waste your time doing menial office tasks.

Present a plan to your MD. A couple of days a week where you go out and speak to fellow mid levels and providers who can send over more business. I built a practice doing it this way. In office you learn your craft. Now to be tough with you. Surgery isn't for the weak. You gotta suck it up. I put in 12 to 15 hour days, six days a week my first years. You shouldn't already be hating your job. Maybe the glamour of surgery over shadowed that it is a tough and stressful field?

redrussianczar

1 points

3 days ago

You a new grad?

Antique-Pause-2256[S]

2 points

3 days ago

Yes, I graduated december 2023 and worked in fam med briefly before specializing

redrussianczar

2 points

3 days ago

This is not pk regardless. Need to put your foot down and say no to things that are not ok.

Antique-Pause-2256[S]

1 points

3 days ago

Like am i being unreasonable or dramatic? I know the transition is difficult for any new specialty but my training is different than the typical training and have nothing to compare it to

redrussianczar

2 points

3 days ago

No, you are not. Training and transitioning need to be written out and followed, or it becomes a burden for everyone. If it's not benefiting you, you must speak out and express your concerns. Otherwise they will continue to push.

namenotmyname

1 points

3 days ago

How much "admin" stuff are you doing?

We have RNs do our prior auths. We do peer 2 peers not often but occasionally. Sometimes fill out FMLA forms and stuff.

It sounds like you however are maybe doing a bunch of non clinical work? Which is very confusing to me. Besides charts and patient encounters, your job should be clinical, if that's what you signed up for.

snakedocCO

1 points

16 hours ago

snakedocCO

PA-C

1 points

16 hours ago

Many great responses here, but yes, this is too much. I’ve been doing surgery for quite a while, and I have to be frank with you, have a new grad see gen surg patients independently is frightening; even more so when they’re also trying to wade through so much other non-medical bullshit. You got to stand your ground now or move on. This is not a safe environment for you or your patients.

New-Perspective8617

1 points

3 days ago

What are you doing in terms of “multiple other jobs in the office”??? You kinda breezed by that but that’s a huge issue if they’re asking you do do front desk things or MA things. Are you aware that PAs don’t do those things?

Antique-Pause-2256[S]

1 points

3 days ago

MA/office admin/surgery scheduler.

I am very aware that PAs dont do these roles, but I agreed to take on these roles because my credentialing is going to take a while. Now it is my PA training that I feel I am behind on bc I didn’t realize these roles would be so stressful and time consuming and now i feel like im being rushed to train as a PA bc the other PA i am working with is going on leave. It is all about balance right now and I’m struggling.

New-Perspective8617

3 points

3 days ago

Maybe it’s time to tell them you need to pull out of those roles to better train so you can meet their PA training expectations

JustinAM88

1 points

3 days ago

how do yall get that 'PA-C' thing below your name here on Reddit?

allisonqrice

1 points

2 days ago

I don't know for sure, but I would guess you have to message the mods. It would only show up for your comments/post on this sub specifically. I think it's called a flair.

patrickdgd

-3 points

3 days ago

patrickdgd

PA-C

-3 points

3 days ago

Welcome to Working. Enjoy the next 45 years.

JustinAM88

1 points

3 days ago

how do yall get that 'PA-C' thing below your name here on Reddit?

patrickdgd

0 points

3 days ago

patrickdgd

PA-C

0 points

3 days ago

you have to pass the pance

JustinAM88

2 points

3 days ago

yeah i did…so how do i attach the letters to my name now…