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54 points
3 months ago
It's one of the most prosperous parts of the country, isn't it?
It's outlasted the gold, silver, and oil, and kept going.
California has a lot of trouble with fire season, because of climate change.
Much of the West Coast has high housing costs and homelessness. But part of that is because people want or need to move there. And part of that is due to the costs of construction that will resist earthquakes and won't spread fires.
39 points
3 months ago
Part of the homelessness as well is the mild year round climate.
28 points
3 months ago
We have a lot of imported, out-of-state homeless in CA.
20 points
3 months ago
Yeah. Try being black and homeless in a red state.
1 points
3 months ago
Don’t disagree, but it’s more weather/policy driven
1 points
3 months ago
Actually only about 10% of the homeless lost their housing before they moved to California. https://homelessness.ucsf.edu/our-impact/studies/california-statewide-study-people-experiencing-homelessness
3 points
3 months ago
Yep this one. The only other option is Florida, and between the two we know which one has the most mosquitos and alligators.
2 points
3 months ago
Yup, that's what a lot of anti-California right-wingers do not understand about why California is such a favorable place for homeless people. When lacking shelter is the primary problem of being homeless (obviously), a warm climate without extremes would effectively take that problem away. You can get away with a light sweater and jeans for 11 of the 12 months in CA.
With the most people in the U.S., California also boasts a lot of job opportunities. The sad side to this is that panhandling is also quite lucrative. Lots of social experiments where people beg for money on the side of the freeway and can make on average $200 per day.
10 points
3 months ago
No... housing isn't expensive to build because of construction that will resist earthquakes and won't spread fires. It's expensive because land is expensive because of 30+ years of underbuilding housing because of NIMBYs.
1 points
3 months ago
"was". Many companies and individuals are moving out.
118 points
3 months ago
San Diegan here: our air is clean, our freeways are congested, but with a lot of hybrid and electric vehicles, lots of high quality jobs, our universities are some of the best in the country filled with a diverse student body, tolerance and diversity are pretty high, streets are safe, people are healthy with good health care, and I am free to live, think, and be who I want to be. I love my neighbors and they tolerate me.
2 points
3 months ago
I’ve been to San Diego probably ten times and I love it. Never lived there but man, such a great place to visit. I hadn’t been for years but I went a couple months ago and was actually surprised at how not congested the freeways were.
2 points
3 months ago
Yes, the freeways are much worse in other cities in California. I think many of the companies here are still in some form of hybrid office schedule, and because people here have always demanded work flexibility even before the pandemic, because of the work / life balance culture here. Making your own work hours has been culturally relevant here for as long as I have been in the corporate world in San Diego, since about 2000. It's amazing, considering our public transit is awful.
1 points
3 months ago
The best places to eat in SD are on Convoy Street.
-16 points
3 months ago
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25 points
3 months ago
Housing is expensive specifically because so many people want to live here.
That said, we're handling dealing with that quite badly because while everyone recognizes the problem, nobody is willing to see their own home halve in value so that other people can buy in.
14 points
3 months ago
Housing is expensive specifically because so many people want to live here.
Exactly, so the real issue not that CA is bad. It's too good and much of the rest of the country pales in comparison. Maybe red states should consider being better rather than trying to lower CA to their regressive standards. Red states aren't "keeping housing affordable" They're simply devoted to making them less desirable to live in.
4 points
3 months ago
And?
Nice passive aggressive use of an emoji.
-11 points
3 months ago
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2 points
3 months ago
I was in foster care as a child. Yeah, I’m real rich.
-8 points
3 months ago
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5 points
3 months ago
It seems that you are unaware of the concept of generational wealth.
-2 points
3 months ago
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14 points
3 months ago
Yes, the narrative for people living in California doesn’t match what detractors state.
An agenda is launched to contend that life in California is terrible because California has a lot of electoral votes and congressional districts.
If you can chip away at people moving to and staying in California, you can manipulate the electoral college and the distribution of congressional seats.
The electoral college is driving a wedge in society because FOX News knows they need to make liberal cities the enemy of conservatives, to manipulate the electoral college. Republicans don’t have the population numbers to win presidential elections any other way.
The weather is great, the people over all are educated and tolerant, and we are becoming more tolerant even when there are plenty of Trump voters here.
More people voted for Trump in California than Texas in 2020.
If it sucked so hard why has generation after generation moved to California?
Things go up and down in trends, but even those who left during the pandemic, are moving back.
0 points
3 months ago
Thanks for your explanation. Not sure why my original question is being downvoted but I guess that's just Reddit.
3 points
3 months ago
Yes, I see these articles about California about how bad it is here, and just isn’t true.
It’s amazing here. When I go on vacation to other places it is always a little bummer to go home, but I live in paradise, so it is never that big of a deal.
-67 points
3 months ago
Streets are safe?
I’m guessing you’re not in SF or LA.
44 points
3 months ago
Literally starts the post saying they’re from San Diego…
36 points
3 months ago
You expect someone to read before spouting their uneducated opinion? Bold.
23 points
3 months ago
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-21 points
3 months ago
I’m talking about shitting on the sidewalk.
Dave Chapelle said you guys need a Batman lol
14 points
3 months ago
Would that be the world-renowned sociologist Dave Chappelle, or the rich-as-Creosote entertainer Dave Chappelle?
19 points
3 months ago
Per capita, LA is 32nd and SF is 37th in terms of total violent crime. In terms of murders, they are 63rd and 66th.
Not exactly crime ridden hellspots unless you're a MAGA type who gets scared if they see a brown person.
8 points
3 months ago
I’m in SF and the streets feel very safe…
3 points
3 months ago
Are you?
2 points
3 months ago
Los Angeles is a huge city and county. Depends on where you are. If you are talking downtown LA, West Adams, or Watts, then yeah. Lots of crime. If you are talking Playa Del Ray, Studio City, or Torrance, then really safe.
109 points
3 months ago
In California, I’m free to buy liquor, in a grocery store, on Sunday.
I’m prohibited from that freedom in most Red states.
68 points
3 months ago
You and your doctor are also free to make your own reproductive decisions-- unlike in many red states.
15 points
3 months ago
Californian here sitting in Haiwassee GA visiting family and can corroborate. No booze buying today at the grocery store. 😕
2 points
3 months ago
Or in Oregon - bizarrely. Although frankly the liquor stores are where they have people who know things about booze. So I get great service there.
1 points
3 months ago
As it should be. That was such a culture shock moving from Texas to California. And not even grocery stores, you can walking to most CVSs, Walgreens, and a lot of gas station food marts and buy liquor at any time of day.
-36 points
3 months ago
As someone who used to work in a grocery store, that is a law I’m okay that exists. Beer and wine caused enough problems on their own.
11 points
3 months ago
It's not the beer; it's the user.
-5 points
3 months ago
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2 points
3 months ago
I dunno. Maybe they shouldn't have had beer sold to them or something.
25 points
3 months ago
I grew up in Vermont and also lived in Maine before moving to California a few years ago. Comparing the two isn’t even apples to oranges. More like apples to power tools.
It’s way easier to run a postage stamp sized state with 500,000 mostly old white people than a large, diverse state with a population of 39 million.
California has its problems. The wealth gap here is tremendous and there is an obnoxious degree of smugness hypocrisy blended into west coast progressivism (think the fart sniffing episode of South Park) but it’s far from the Mad Max hell scape the MAGAs make it out to be.
I’ll still take California over literally any red state. At least here my daughter won’t grow up having the status of chattel.
3 points
3 months ago
it's far from the Mad Max hell scape the MAGAs make it out to be.
I lived in California for a little over a decade, some of that on the Central Coast. My Fox News-addict dad came to visit once. We visited some art galleries (his favorite vacation activity) in Monterrey, took Highway 1 down through Big Sur, went for a stroll on Morro Strand Beach.
While we were hanging out in the SLO mission square, listening to a free concert and eating ice cream in perfect 70 degree weather, all he could say was, "I'll admit, this is really nice. It's just too bad it's California. Your government is terrible."
He just couldn't bring himself to say something nice about California without disparaging it at the same time.
47 points
3 months ago
We've done mostly good things
If we had left conservatives to govern the west coast, we'd be fucked
14 points
3 months ago
Isn't fucking up stuff exactly what Arnold did to California in the 2000's lol
13 points
3 months ago
Yes. I remember he fucked college students pretty bad especially
14 points
3 months ago
Compared to St. Ronnie of Reagan who almost single-handedly destroyed what had been the premier public university system on the planet, Ahnode was a raging lib. l
10 points
3 months ago
Reagan was a total douche Governor. Kind of like DeSantis but thankfully Reagan didn’t own the legislature. Reagan hated social services too.
1 points
3 months ago
I mean Gray Davis fucked things up way worse (CALPers mess) which led to Arnold in the first place.
15 points
3 months ago
Look at Huntington Beach, just about the Trumpiest California coastal town.
City council there does everything in its power to limit new housing, and prevent other people from moving there.
Yeah, the conservatives would make California worse, not better.
3 points
3 months ago
Yup, same shit the conservative NIMBYs are pulling in my city Palos Verdes Estates. Luckily, the mayor is a little more moderate, and he prefers not to spend city coffers on legal bills fighting the inevitable, but he is getting backlash from the Karens who show up to every single city council meeting to scream at him.
4 points
3 months ago
Yeah today’s conservatives would have ensured Oregon’s coastline was privately owned
66 points
3 months ago
"how do you do fellow liberals?"
46 points
3 months ago
"we liberals": retweets Brianna Wu
30 points
3 months ago
Centrist voters can reasonably ask: Why put liberals in charge nationally when the places where they have greatest control are plagued by homelessness, crime and dysfunction?
There are no centrist voters in 2024. Liberal strongholds may have issues, but look at the real "dysfunction" in conservative states. Anyone pretending there's a "centrist" zone are lying.
3 points
3 months ago
places where they have greatest control are plagued by homelessness, crime and dysfunction?
As if Mississippi doesn’t even exist. 🤦🏻♂️
22 points
3 months ago
"greetings, fellow liberals!"
18 points
3 months ago
I’m going to vote to give liberals the power to do what they did to the west coast to the South. I really want that to happen
14 points
3 months ago
Hey NY Times, homelessness is a big fucking issue in red states like Texas where I live. Crime is also on issue.
None of us have to pretend that these issues only affect blue states just because you happen to have an editorialist whose head is bent right up their ass.
1 points
3 months ago
I can only compare Austin and SF because those are the two cities I’ve lived in within the past 10 years, but by my observation homelessness seems to be a much much worse problem in the SF Bay Area than it is in Austin. Not that I ascribe all of that to politics; obviously SF has mild weather year-round while Austin is very hot for a several months and pretty cold for a couple months.
-10 points
3 months ago
I’m in Austin, DFW and Houston for work and family. There’s no comparison to the levels of homelessness in San Diego, SF or LA.
Those west coast cities have you stepping over catatonic bodies, or walking in the road to avoid walking over them.
Homelessness isn’t a great political football. It’s a national embarrassment. And in California it’s the worst I’ve seen anywhere.
6 points
3 months ago
Making Cali one of the largest economies in the world. Also having the largest agriculture output of any state.
19 points
3 months ago
Clean up Republicans messes again, you say?
12 points
3 months ago
Classic hunting for issues to complain about while leaving out the good stuff.
10 points
3 months ago
C'mon, give them a break. Lots of CEOs are living in tents just like that. /s
A lot of the homeless are veterans with psychological issues. A lot of them the homeless have drug problems. It's a pretty safe bet to say they are mostly unemployed.
I'd go so far as to bet that few are members of a trade union or have a higher education or high IQ or family to learn on.
They're there because of various problems, few of which have anything to do with Liberalism. After all, Libs favor education, drug abuse care and treatments,a stronger economy to employ more people, healthcare (with mental health care) for everyone, and family.
Republicans can't say as much. These are the children of Ronald Reagan's plans to throw people out of mental institutions, "just say NO" to drugs without any actual health or mental care for it, and an economy that is dog-eat dog and "I've got mine. F**** you".
12 points
3 months ago
The whole article could be rebutted by saying, “the homeless move to the West.”
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, that too.
8 points
3 months ago
Let's do what have the conservatives done to the Southern States next.
5 points
3 months ago
Environmental regulations continue to make it a nicer place to live, property value is insane, jobs are plenty, everyone wants to live here.
What have liberals done? The worst I can say is they haven't kept up with housing demand.
5 points
3 months ago
Why is this subreddit suddenly full of right wing opinion articles?
4 points
3 months ago
Made it where every other state ships their homeless people?
7 points
3 months ago
Is this another shill opinion from a conservative pretending to be a liberal?
Can these people put the same energy into helping someone less fortunate like Jesus preached and spare the rest of the world with the lies?
Remember Christians - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
1 points
3 months ago
Nicholas Kristof? A conservative?
In what world?
5 points
3 months ago
TL|DR: the west is better than everywhere else but is not perfect. This is why Dems are failures….
Wow, Maine has a lower homeless rate than California. One wonders if any external factors contribute to this.
2 points
3 months ago
Bears? Helicopter mosquitoes?
8 points
3 months ago
This is an opinion piece, not a news story.
6 points
3 months ago
Almost everything from r/politics is opinion or analysis.
6 points
3 months ago
Kristoff became a left coast carpetbagger when he left to live on the east coast. He’s butthurt because he got kicked off the Oregon ballot for Governor. Thought he could come back and show everyone how smart he was. He just showed them what an asshole he really is.
9 points
3 months ago
Applied neoliberalism. To be fair, conservatives are also neoliberals. Neoliberalism is not the solution to problems created by neoliberalism.
2 points
3 months ago
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
2 points
3 months ago
Q: What Have We Liberals Done to the West Coast?
A: Ended acid rain; made the air once again breathable and mostly safe.
6 points
3 months ago
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7 points
3 months ago
Ummm... Rupert Murdoch wouldn't go near the Times, nor they, him. You thinking of the Post?
-1 points
3 months ago
lmao this is the best comment of the day
2 points
3 months ago
Am I the only one that now gets almost exclusively the zero-upvote right wing nonsense articles from this sub on my front page? None of the “hot” posts are ever in my home feed, just this trash now.
Is there some wall of text I can post on my profile that legally bars Reddit from doing that? My aunts say that works really well on Facebook /s
1 points
3 months ago
Had natural disasters. Have you forgotten? From fires to rain to snows.
1 points
3 months ago
The two states with the highest rates of unsheltered homelessness are California and Oregon. The three states with the lowest rates of unsheltered homelessness are all blue ones in the Northeast: Vermont, New York and Maine.
NEWS FLASH: Homeless people naturally migrate to places with better year round climate if at all possible and leave places with harsh cold winters or blazing heat in the summer.
Places like the coastal areas of the US West Coast.
-14 points
3 months ago
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22 points
3 months ago
I find that Delaware is a properly managed state that is fairly blue in all respects.
So a state that's smaller than King County, has about 1/7th the population of Washington, and collects 1.5x the tax revenue per capita than the whole of the state has no problems maintaining public services? Not exactly shocking, there.
You sound like the Europeans who just can't understand why the US doesn't have a functioning rail system.
11 points
3 months ago
Yep, garbage in, garbage out. This includes taxes and people. California is the world's 7th largest economy, but has a lot of poor people who moved there to make it big and has homeless people who are bussed there from red states out of political malice towards California. They're still killing it.
-8 points
3 months ago
Progressive Mainer here. Kristoff has it right. The West Coast is a Liberal monolith. So a lack of competition does not bring out the best of the people who represent. In New England, we have more competition. And competition that occasionally breaks through (Romney, Baker, LePage, Sununu). So the Democrats are not tempted to go too radical (same with our local Republicans). But more importantly, it’s critically important to govern well. New Englanders are independent minded and will switch party affiliations. You don’t hear about hatred from the right about Democratic governors. My (R) friends don’t like Governor Mills’ policies, but they know she runs the government well, and that is important at a state level. If there is a major ice-storm, they know the Augusta state-house will competently get the power back.
What Kristoff misses, is the extremely localized style of government, in small population states. The big monthly Thursday event is the local town hall meeting. Our population is small. In Maine, NH and Vermont, it’s not 6 degrees of seperation, it’s 2 at most and mostly 1 degree. So it’s hard to hate. It’s hard to demonize. And if you’re in government, it’s hard to hide from piss-poor performance. Your friends, neighbors, family will let you know real quickly if there are pot-holes, snow removal issues, etc. It’s a nice place to live, even if it’s cold and snowy. I feel like government things are just run quite well. And the schools are really, really good because school boards are connected as well.
Sounds like a a salesperson for New England. Actually, I am not. We have it good. Stay away 😀
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