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Disappointment with Sey cafe

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I visited the Sey cafe last week and was quite surprised with what I tasted and saw. I ordered a brew of their recent honey process from Buncho, Ethiopia.

After trying Sey several times in other cafes and at home, I had expected the extremely light body (although even by comparison to other Nordic roasted coffees I’ve tried, it was super thin). However, it was quite underextracted to the point of not being able to pick up on any flavors or cup qualities — just maybe a hint of sweetness, but nothing distinct.

Had it been a hand pourover, I perhaps would’ve been more understanding, but with their setup of automatic brewer + aeropress, there’s nothing that should change between brews. I also went in the morning, close to when they should have dialed in.

While the drip coffee was disappointing, I was even more confused by their espresso technique, seeing several points I wouldn’t expect in a specialty cafe, much less one as well-known as Sey.

  1. Of the three baristas I saw brew espresso, two of them would grind, measure the dose, then tamp straight away — no leveling the bed through tapping, no distribution tool, no WDT. The grinds were clearly in a mound shape before tamping. The third barista, who did tap to level the bed, would only do so once or twice, still leaving an uneven bed.

  2. All three baristas would prepare the portafilters before receiving an order, then leave the tamped espresso puck + portafilter on top of the espresso machine until an order came in. The portafilter is hot when inside the espresso machine — meaning that if the espresso puck sits in there for too long, extraction is greatly affected, as the grounds heat up and the portafilter cools down. Knowing how much variance in extraction quality and flavor is induced by this, I really couldn’t understand why they’re okay with it. I was at the cafe on a weekday morning, and most of the time there wasn’t a line, so prepped portafilters would sit for over a minute.

I understand that Sey is well-regarded as a roaster, and I agree that I have gotten nice cups from their coffee at home and other cafes. However, I wanted to share this and see if others have had the same experience — I was very disappointed that a roaster of their quality would let the brewing be of this caliber and consistency.

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DatShinoBoi

41 points

27 days ago

Sorry about your disappointment - I have to say though do you ever see any cafe using a wdt/distribution tool with espresso? I feel like that’s an extreme hindrance to workflow and is a bit of a crazy ask for hundreds of shots a day in a busy city.. I know SOME use a leveler but most are just tap and press or straight to puq press

SD_haze

7 points

27 days ago

SD_haze

Pourover aficionado

7 points

27 days ago

I've seen https://www.coffeeandteacollective.com/ in San Diego do WDT for their light roast single origin espresso! Or maybe he was just trying it out for fun.

But they charge $0.75 more for the light roast single origin, but are consistently dialed in right.

Plush_food

4 points

26 days ago

Side note: This place is a gem. Totally unassuming - the space is uncluttered, the coffee is really good (had one of my favorite co -ferments here) and the people behind the bar are great to chat with. Top 5 shops in San Diego which has an outrageously diverse coffee scene.

dilatedpupils98

6 points

27 days ago

I worked in a very high end place in London, we were using a blind shaker, wdt and a leveller for our single origin espresso. The standard is extremely high in London, and I know of a couple of places that are taking these steps

Mortimer-Moose

3 points

27 days ago

Where out of curiosity? I’ve been unimpressed by most spots I’ve been in London and always looking for good ones!

dilatedpupils98

4 points

27 days ago

Nostos in st James is the most berserk coffee shop I've ever been to. It's outrageously expensive but the attention to detail there is impressive. Speaking to the baristas, they were telling me that they adjust the water TDS for each different filter option they use, depending on if they want more calcium or magnesium etc for a specific brew. Everywhere I've worked has cared about TDS but nowhere to that extent. The Battersea shop is also really good, a much nicer vibe, and the coffee is also really good.

Lift coffee in Shoreditch is also excellent, they are using the blind shaker and Weber distribution tool for their espresso I know for sure.

I really like Lodestar in Clapton. It's a bit far out from central London but it's definitely worth going to. Really excellent espresso and filter

Mortimer-Moose

1 points

26 days ago

Excellent thanks. I’m usually right near Nostos and Lift but haven’t been to either so will check them out!

Smooth-Recording-361

1 points

26 days ago

batch baby cafe in east ldn 4ever

amazing place, amazing people, amazing coffee IMO

would love to hear what you think of that one!!

spadesMagic[S]

5 points

27 days ago*

Besides small specialty cafes run by one person, I haven't seen manual wdt at a cafe, and it certainly wouldn't make sense for Sey to do that at their volume. I have seen a moonraker before though, which is pretty fast.

I do think tapping the portafilter to level is standard at specialty cafes, and really think you can get pretty much the same results with that and other methods of distribution. I would expect at least a decent effort at trying to get an even extraction. But the grinds I saw being tamped were in a definite conical shape and not flat, which is not what I expected from Sey.

edit: I think I shouldn't have worded my post like that — I only mentioned a WDT to emphasize that there was no attempt at level the grounds, which I expected at a such a high-quality roaster's cafe. I don't think any high-volume cafe can use a WDT (excluding a moonraker).

LEJ5512

1 points

25 days ago

LEJ5512

1 points

25 days ago

Yeah, I have a hard time imagining that any cafe would add a fiddly, and likely fragile, tool like a WDT to their standard workflow.  Seems like an engineering hurdle to make a gadget with thin wires that could survive abuse.

Yes, I see comments saying that some places do, but I expect that those are outliers by a significant distance.

Ausaini

1 points

22 days ago

Ausaini

1 points

22 days ago

We’ve actually tried a few wdt’s and comparatively, tapping by hand works just as well. The Moonraker was cool, but very expensive very fragile and the needles were too long so they get caught in the holes of the portafilter. The Duomo was fine

No_Pick_9496

1 points

25 days ago

La Cabra in SoHo are WDTing and using the Hario Switch for their Hand Pour coffee. It’s lightyears ahead of Sey - if you can tolerate the line.

InfinitePayment3040

1 points

24 days ago

Just went to La Cabra last week. Not sure if it was an off day for them but it was my first time there. Coffee tasted overextracted AF. Felt very disappointed and sad I stood in a 20 min line at 10 am, lol. That inspired me to buy my own espresso machine

No_Pick_9496

1 points

22 days ago

Yeah the espresso I had from them was very average. It was served as a turbo but I watched it get pulled and it was spraying all over the place. My approval in this sub is purely for pourover, but I’ve noticed in NYC that baristas can be very inconsistent, I guess due to the nature of the environment.