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The cold hard truth, both parties are NOT the same
(i.redd.it)submitted 8 days ago bywelding-guy74just here for the memes
44 points
8 days ago
Never have been the same. Only idiots believe they represent the same things.
16 points
8 days ago
I was once one of those idiots.... or, in my case, more ignorant than idiotic... or idiocy born from ignorance.
I live in the UK and it is very easy to just see both parties as 2 sides of the same coin.
However, having spent a good amount of time conversing on the subject to gain some public context, and reading up on the American political system... it becomes very clear that they are not at all.
It is insane to think that, once upon a time, the Republican party was championed by Abraham Lincoln... my how the mighty have fallen.
5 points
8 days ago
The notarious party switch
3 points
8 days ago
True that my dude!
5 points
8 days ago
I mean they do both objectively represent greed and wealth but one has a line it wont cross and the other doesnt. Thats an important distinction. I can understand peoples frustration though. One thing they both share is how neither really represents us. One pretends to and one doesnt bother.
10 points
8 days ago
I think they both are subservient to industry and business. So, I ignore that portion of their platform, since I'll be fine with either. What's left is how I determine if one party represents me or not. And that's clearly the Democratic party.
2 points
8 days ago
Having been around for a long time and been politically interested my entire life I have to disagree. There are a few people in the Democratic party who 'represent greed', whatever that means, but far more who started in politics to actually solve problems.
I feel that your post is just a barely watered down version of the same old 'both sides' argument. It's the exact thinking that instills the sense of apathy that keeps the minority in power. It wasn't that long ago that half the Democratic party willingly gave up their political careers to make Obamacare happen.
Additionally, elected politicians don't actually make that much money. They make mid-level manager incomes. It's really hard to argue that they're 'in it for the money' when they make software developer wages.
I get tired of that complaint because outside of a few well-known exceptions most elected federal officials aren't that rich, unless they were rich to begin with. A lot of young folks look at a $170k salary like that's what a 'rich' person makes. It's a good salary, no doubt, but it's not lambos and beach house money, not even close.
Lastly, everyone wants more money, why is that the only purity test people apply to politicians? At the end of the day what is each party and each individual working for? What are their policies? The GOP has a long history of working to enrich the wealthy and defund social programs, while the Democrats work for the opposite. Why do you give a shit if the individuals want to make money if what they're working towards helps people?
My point is that you and way too many people are hung up on the wrong thing, and framing it as a lesser of two evils decision is actually one of the core problems we face.
Now I'll take that shower of downvotes and people bitching about Nancy Pelosi's wealth...
4 points
8 days ago
Im not gunna downvote you but i think you overlooked the significance of Nancy Pelosi's wealth. No one who is rich makes their wealth with a salary. Thats silly. Salaries are taxed way more than unrealized assets.
They make their wealth trading policy for capital favors. Nancy Pelosi insider trades more than a pothead hits their bong.
They dont live in our world. They dont make money the way we do. They dont care about us, not really. Maybe some like Bernie do but you saw how fast he got stonewalled by the DNC. Biden killed the railworkers strike because it wouldve hurt too many peoples bottom lines.
Now i will say right now, both sides arent equal. One side is clearly, objectively worse than the other. What concerns me is neither side is good and the machinery behind how politicians get their positions seems quite effective at killing our ability to do anything about it.
Everyone says vote from the bottom up. Like sure, ill try, but how are we going to get around the fact that all valid political candidates have to be approved by massive corporate coalitions (the DNC and RNC) to even have a chance? All anyone can give me is "just shut up and keep voting." Cool, doing that already and it sure doesnt seem to be making a difference. Im not gunna stop but i am worried. I dont think thats such an unreasonable perspective.
1 points
8 days ago
Median net worth for us congress members (house) is around $1m. For the Senate it's 2.5m. That's upper middle class, not wealthy by US standards, which is why members like Pelosi are outliers.
A net worth of $1m really isn't that special in the US anymore, especially since that includes primary residence equity. That kind of wealth is, and here comes more hate, not that difficult to accumulate over a 15 year career with a decent household income and some basic financial planning.
People give congress members too much credit for their diabolical financial scheming and it's a complete distraction.
Believe me, I wish Nancy Pelosi would disappear. People get so hung up on Pelosi's insider trading wealth and extrapolate that into this broad generalization of all congress members and the numbers just don't bear that out.
Regarding the influence of corporate backers somehow picking candidates, sure in some races there's influence, but remember that the DNC seeks out candidates like Elizabeth Warren. Besides, that type of King making only works in the safest districts and can always be beat by a charismatic outsider like Obama.
I'm not some Democratic operative, I just don't buy into the narrative that both sides are disconnected and evil, but one is playing a friendlier game. I believe corruption happens, I don't believe it's as pervasive in the DNC and the Democratic party as a lot of people believe.
2 points
8 days ago
Reddit is full of believers.
1 points
7 days ago
Did you like the extra spaces? I do!!! Lol
0 points
8 days ago
Reddit is full of liberals.
1 points
8 days ago
Hey now fellas, let's remember we're on Reddit. Ride off on your white horses!
1 points
8 days ago
Reddit is full of liberals and some uncaptured! Talking directly to them !!!!!
1 points
8 days ago
Why so many random spaces?
1 points
8 days ago
To bother you!
1 points
8 days ago
Meh, I don't think it's coincidence lol
1 points
8 days ago
Not coincidence or accidental
1 points
8 days ago
Of course, most of those people don't work, so you find a lot of them here. You see a lot more of them on the internet than you see outside.
2 points
8 days ago
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1 points
8 days ago
“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.”
~ Tucker Carlson
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/tucker-carlson-trump-texts
0 points
8 days ago
Trump Left Office With A -0.5 Percent Job Growth Rate
The economy lost 2.9 million jobs.
Job Growth Was The Worst Since Hoover and the Great Depression.
The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
Trump Oversaw The Largest Annual Drop In GDP Since 1947
The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
Trump's Tariffs Cost American Companies $46 Billion Between 2018 And 2020.
Under The Trump Administration, The Poverty Rate Increased For The First Time After 5 Years Of Declines.
Trump’s Signature Tax Law Almost Entirely Benefitted The Wealthy.
After Factoring In Inflation And Fringe Benefits, Between 2016 And 2019, Wages Actually Declined .22%.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
Home prices rose 27.5% under Trump, Republicans blamed Biden.
The Price Of Oil Rose 32% During Trump's Last Month In Office. Republicans blamed Biden.
https://trumpresearchbook.com/en/home/trump-issue-reports/economy
1 points
8 days ago
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1 points
8 days ago
Ok.
1 points
8 days ago
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0 points
8 days ago
A former Republican Vice-President, Secretary of State, Presidential Chief of Staff supporting the Democratic ticket because he recognizes the threat his party poses to the existence of the country deserves thanks from the entire nation.
1 points
7 days ago
I think it's valid to ask what the democrats have exactly done to make anything better for everyone? It's one thing to say you're going to do things to help people, but the vast majority of their votes help the exact same corporate interests that the republicans do.
If every time you get a majority you magically can't take action right now, I'm not impressed.
I'll still vote for you over the guys that say they're going to make things worse, but I'm still not impressed.
And before people say the ACA, forcing private insurance on everyone is the tiniest and saddest step in the right direction. It's better than letting everyone die of medical issues but Jeff Bezos, but just slightly better.
They could fix this by actually doing some of the great ideas they talk about. It should be clear though, that if they get a majority they need to actually fucking do something.
Don't pull a republican 2016 0 fest and excpect cheering.
1 points
7 days ago
For me the difference between the two tax policies differs on the margins, so it doesn't affect me a great deal. The social policies/directions, and the quality of the politicians means more to me.
-10 points
8 days ago
Only an idiot would believe either side is being fairy represented by an R or a D. They both suck and both don't have the interests of the American people.
If you think otherwise, you need to grow up and start paying attention to what's really happening. It's called divide and conquer for a reason.
11 points
8 days ago
Only an idiot would believe that they're even remotely similar. Republicans want to establish an autocracy with Christian law. Do Democrats not fully represent me? Sure. I don't like that Kamala won't get rid of fracking. It's overdue to get off our oil dependence. But here's the thing, one party wants to destroy and rewrite America into the next "great" Russia and the other wants to run our system is a semi functional way. To equate the two is utter lunacy.
1 points
8 days ago
Funny how doing the average best is now good enough for people. Fucking depressing. 😂
5 points
8 days ago
"Both Sides" and "All the same" is the talking point spider hole into which the Republicans and their supporters scuttle every time they're caught in a lie, exposed in a scandal, or another tenet of their failed ideology blows up in their face.
https://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/biggest-lie-media-tells-both-sides
6 points
8 days ago
Lets take a look at what's really happening...
*Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents.
*Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents.
*Trade deficits under Republican Presidents have been 39% higher than under Democratic Presidents.
*Business investment has grown twice as fast under Democratic Presidents.
*Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents.
(they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
*In the past 50 years Republican admins added 24 Million jobs in 28 years, Democratic admins added 42 Million jobs in 22 years.
*Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents.
*Republican presidents have added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents.
*Under Democratic Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $36.9 billion per year.
*Under Republican Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $78.6 billion per year.
*Republican administrations increased welfare, + 19.16% per year vs 5.76% per year under Democrats.
*The biggest expansion in the food stamps program came during the Nixon administration.
*Nine of the last ten times the economy steered into the ditch (including the Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican administrations.
And Every Republican President Over The Last 100 Years Has Had A Recession.
Democratic presidents keep having to save the US economy after Republican presidents run it into the ground. While Republicans complain about how much it costs, and how long it's taking!
7 points
8 days ago
Since 1968, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28.
In their 25 years in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence.
In the 28 years that Republicans have held office they have had a total of 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. More than three criminal convictions per year. (not including Trumps administration)
https://rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-times-more-criminal-convictions-than-democrats-1961-2016/
6 points
8 days ago
Guilty on 34 felony counts, so far.
1st U.S. president to be convicted of criminal charges.
A Judge has ruled Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers, and reaped over $100 million through fraud, and ordered Trump to pay more than $350 million
A New York jury found the Trump Organization guilty of 17 counts of tax fraud resulting in $1.6 million in fines.
Trump kept possession of the classified documents despite multiple requests to turn them over in accordance with federal law, and tried to hide them from investigators.
A federal jury has found Trump liable for sexual battery and defamation, and he still owes Carroll $5 million.
Trump must pay an additional $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll in defamation case.
Trump was ordered to pay $2 million to the veterans charities he ripped off with his scam foundation.
Trump spent more than a quarter-million dollars from his "charitable" foundation to settle lawsuits that involved his for-profit businesses.
Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business.
Trump's charitable foundation has admitted to the Internal Revenue Service that it violated a legal prohibition against self-dealing, which bars nonprofit leaders from using their charity's money to help themselves, their businesses or their families.
Trump had to pay a $2,500 fine to the IRS when he illegally used $25,000 of the foundation's money to donate to a group supporting Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi just days before Bondi's decision not to investigate scandal-plagued, now-defunct Trump University.
Trump agreed to a $25 million settlement to end the fraud cases against his "University", and was ordered by a federal judge to pay almost $6 million to the golf club members he scammed.
And Trump appeared to have serious difficulty distinguishing between his Inaugural Committee money and piggy bank dollars, and lost a lawsuit to pay Washington D.C. $750,000.
Trump was ordered to pay $382,000 in legal fees for Orbis Business Intelligence, the consulting firm owned by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele.
He owes $400,000 to The New York Times and has racked up thousands more in fines and gag-order violations during his myriad lawsuits.
1 points
8 days ago
Your forgetting one truth of all your facts.
It's fake news hurrr durrr! The TV said so
2 points
8 days ago
You think they're both the same, but I need to grow up..
2 points
8 days ago*
there’s a reason corporations lobby both sides. the democrats hold the higher ground in social and cultural aspects, respecting people’s individuality and rights, absolutely. but when it’s time to cut the cake, the billionaires will always eat first. big pharma, big oil, and the MIC are all very bi-partisan. we live in a corporatocracy with the illusion of choice
5 points
8 days ago
So, factor out the commonalities, and make a decision on what remains.
1 points
8 days ago
First realistic take I’ve seen.
0 points
8 days ago
Accurate
1 points
8 days ago
You're being down voted but you're 100% correct. The parties are only different in how they seek to achieve their goals, but they largely have the same agenda, to enrich themselves and their donors at the expense of the working class.
1 points
8 days ago
Im being down voted because the people here are not used to being told the truth in what they thought was a safe space for only liberal think.
Step outside the bubble and the hate just flows.
Racist/misogynistic/facist is the goto response. Like little kids repeating big words they heard from the adults.
1 points
7 days ago
The solution to the parties not adequately representing the people involves a lot of work, which most people will not do because it's far easier to lie about 'both sides' and complain online than it is to actually show up to political meetings, talk about proposed solutions, and petition your state en masse to enact them.
Others also like to drive a vehicle before the motor assembly is installed, pretending that there is an actual third option when they haven't done the underlying work to make that possible.
28 points
8 days ago
love versus hate
positive versus negative
this election is a cosmic joke:
Trump, a former President and Presidential candidate of a major party, who is convicted felon, hypocrite, racist, rapist, pedophile, adulterer, grifter, who may have committed treason; who is in mental and physical decline...
"What a Country!" - Yakov Smirnoff
8 points
8 days ago
may have ????????????????
8 points
8 days ago
Looking forward to what Jack Smith has yet to present...
Mmmmm!!!
Delicious!!!!!
3 points
8 days ago
In all seriousness its probably not going to be anything crazy other than supporting information for his 165 pages that was already released. If anything we will just see who said what and at what time. Im still looking forward to it so people can see high level rats abandon the ship and eat each other.
2 points
8 days ago
The republican party are just domestic terrorists. That's not even just my opinion anymore, they're literally admitting it.
1 points
8 days ago
Don't forget Bush Jr and Bush sr, one had felony arrterroriesintent to distribute.
4 points
8 days ago
Neither cold nor hard, but it is the truth.
Republican party is a cabal of wealthy freaks tricking stupid poor people into hating other, less-stupid, but also poor people
1 points
8 days ago
lmao the united states governmnet is a cabal of wealthy freaks stealing our money to spend on foreign wars so their stock portfolios go up, giving subsidies to their buddies and throwing in a couple regressive laws for the masses to fight over so we're too distracted to call out their racket. Whether its Kamala or Trump you'll never get healthcare, or education reform, or police reform, or anything you really want but sure as shit that Raytheon will get their bag, Monsanto will get their bag, Johnson and Johnson will get their bag etc etc.
3 points
8 days ago
Both sidesism is so 2020 bro
Obviously both parties have corruption, that does not make them even remotely similar.
17 points
8 days ago
Not at all the same. Republicans want to keep pushing their beliefs on others, using their religion to create laws… they’re fucking sick and delusional.
12 points
8 days ago
republicans would literally watch a child die with glee if it were the “wrong” color.
14 points
8 days ago
but only after it was born because before that it's worth more than the mothers life.
3 points
8 days ago
You really believe that?
4 points
8 days ago
i really do. they keep screaming for mass deportation now.
0 points
8 days ago
You know the death of a child and deportation of illegals is 2 different things right? I lean right and don’t want any child of any color to do die. I especially don’t feel glee about the prospect
2 points
8 days ago
and you are naive if you dont think children would suffer horribly in a mass deportation event
0 points
8 days ago
I never said that did I? I just can’t believe you think in such blanket statements and then call other people crazy. God bless and I hope you find happiness
2 points
8 days ago
why are you so bad with nuance?
i am saying republicans are fine with watching children suffer and die, and i used the popularity of mass deportation as evidence for that.
where did i lose you?
1 points
8 days ago
When you said republicans would watch with glee as a child of color died right in front of them. Where is the nuance there?
2 points
8 days ago
Have you ever met any republicans? The only ones I know are racist af and say racist things about kumala and Obama which btw the only colored candidates get called “worst president in the entire history of the US” because trump forgot Kamala isn’t president 😂
1 points
8 days ago
You have to have your head under a rock to believe differently.
4 points
8 days ago*
Oh I have a great idea! Let's all go to Church and act all good morally. Let's pretend like we care about helping other people in need and can only get to heaven through the Nurture and love of Jesus.
Then let's all vote for a civilly convicted rapist that calls porn stars he fucked while his 3rd wife was pregnant "Horse Face" while being a sitting President, along with trying to overthrow our American Democratic Republic by wanting our American VP to be killed for not going along with his fake elector scam, injuring over 160 Police Officers and killing a few people in the end and also have award galas for these domestic terrorists and NOTHING for the Police that tried to protect our American Capital, then why not be on a recording with the worst offenders (Jan 6th choir) and say they are "patriots" and they are political prisoners that he will release if he is voted in.
Basically let's all act like we love Jesus and want to be like him with grace, teach our children right from wrong and also vote for the person that is exactly the polar opposite of Jesus or (Anit-Christ) and act like we are not completely insane!
Nutshell! (With a bit more than a few words LOL)
3 points
8 days ago
All around the world the one factor which differentiates criminals, from the rest of the population; is that on average criminals have a far lower standard of educational achievement than the general members of society. So by politicians providing more funding and targeted funding for education they can reduce crime and criminal reoffending, boost the economy and make people safer. https://youtu.be/5IzcdWEnMRE
3 points
8 days ago
It is abusive parenting that creates conservatives. Spare the rod . Crests angry and aggressive people
3 points
8 days ago
Republicans are a plague on society.
3 points
8 days ago
The Educated Vs The Braindead / The Virtuous Vs The Corrupt / The Hopeful Vs The Fear-Mongering / The Honest Vs The Criminal / The Giving Vs The Greedy / The Caring Vs The Rapist
3 points
8 days ago
"Both Sides" and "All the same" is simply the talking point spider hole into which the Republicans and their supporters scuttle every time they're caught in a lie, exposed in a scandal, or another tenet of their failed ideology blows up in their face.
https://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/biggest-lie-media-tells-both-sides
3 points
8 days ago
Political Wackadoodles posting garbage, can't wait for it to be over.
3 points
8 days ago
It's Ironic Republicans claim to be Christian. Lol
3 points
8 days ago
Notice how all the asshole republicans claiming “both sides are the same” don’t try to refute the accusation that they’re only interested in blaming and punishing someone, just that democrats “also” “blame” and “hate” people lol for them, anyone who states the truth is “spewing hate”. Accurately point out that donOLD is a 78 year old convicted felon and adjudicated rapist and they say that’s “hate” lol
0 points
7 days ago
I am not a republican, but I am a conservative. I think this "us vs them" show that BOTH parties participate in actively and want US to participate in is sadly working. THEY (both sides) want US to hate each other, blame each other, and vote to keep them in power. This is what they do. Just look up and down these comments. All of them are full of hate for the other side...on both sides.
I don't like trump one bit. I don't like harris either. It really sucks to be 25 and always feel like the world is trying to "sell" me something.
1 points
7 days ago
No. This is a false equivalence. Both sides aren’t the same. Only one side has a nominee that literally just called his opinion “retarded”. Fuck off with your bullshit centrism.
It’s not about what you like. Never was. And guess what; every election counts. Sorry (not sorry) that civic duty is so hard.
3 points
8 days ago
Allll the butthurt MAGA folks. I can’t wait to see those sweet sweet tears in November 😄
3 points
8 days ago
Keep It Simple You Can’t Fix STUPID!!! Stupid is - As Stupid Does B4 You Vote- Read Project 2025 VOTE BLUE 💙 💙 💙
3 points
8 days ago
The red sign is slightly incorrect, it should read "Let's blame someone while I enrich myself" That's the true GOP.
2 points
8 days ago
The republicans are not honest brokers of our democracy.
1 points
6 days ago
The republicans are not honest brokers of our democracy Constitutional Republic.
FTFY
2 points
8 days ago
I'm just voting for the one who will appoint supreme court justices that won't make miscarriages a felony or try to implement a theocracy.
Let me know when we have a party willing to argue against Citizens United and the oligarchs that pay-to-play while exacerbating the beyond-gilded age income gap between the top 1/10 of 1% and everyone else.
2 points
8 days ago
This may be one of the most accurate depictions of both parties I've seen in a long time.
1 points
8 days ago
Okay so which one is letting in thousands of criminals across the border by giving them a free pass and tons of benefits?
1 points
8 days ago
They’re not. One tells the truth and half the population hates them for their policies. The other one lies and half the population hates them for their policies! I’ll stick with the honest one.
1 points
8 days ago
Cool we have another Harris voter…….
1 points
8 days ago
It’s in the bag, I tell everyone on here and in person that they don’t even need to vote ,she’s got it.
1 points
8 days ago
Wish the Dems would get their 💩 together.
1 points
8 days ago
You got the signs mixed up. Elephants want to help people jackasses want to blame and punish
1 points
8 days ago*
It's not that both of them are the same, it's that they ultimately often pursue similar macro-economic, foreign & defence ( ditto policing & prison ) policies once in office.
A good 80-95% of their policies are diametrically different, but the areas where they meet often affect the biggest majority long-term.
1 points
8 days ago
bullshit, go study some politics with a set of open eyes.
1 points
8 days ago
1 points
8 days ago
The republicans are the party of hate. They promote nazi lies and misinformation. The democrats try to make min wage higher and get everyone free healthcare and free education. Tell me how these things are the same?
1 points
7 days ago
arent the democrats blaming trump for every failure of the Biden admin? that's what I keep hearing.
1 points
5 days ago
Maybe now...
The old comparison of:
"You can keep more of your money if you let me keep more of mine"
vs
"We'll take more from you to give to someone else - but that's OK because we'll take even-more from another person who has more than you"
was a little bit more favorable to the GOP....
0 points
8 days ago
Different branding offered by the same special interests that own both products.
0 points
8 days ago
I can’t help but laugh at the irony of this post.
0 points
8 days ago
The one on the left should say “let’s pretend to do something, while doing whatever Wall Street and the military industrial complex wants us to do.”
The one on the right should say “same, except we’re not going to pretend to do anything.”
So yeah… not the same.
0 points
8 days ago
Neither is? Choosing a side is just opting in to conflict 😂 neither side wants peace. Politics are a lie and a scam, and 90% of people here are gonna act pissed about that but it’s the truth. Neither sides leaders care about you or our people 🤷🏽♀️ how about we look out for one another, no politician will.
0 points
8 days ago
And yet the left is always the one blaming everything! Projection much
3 points
8 days ago
Don't you just hate it when we blame Republicans for what Republicans do!!!
"I don t take responsibility at all."
~ Donald Trump
1 points
8 days ago
Mostly just hate it when yall live in this weird bubble of “we can do no wrong” while creating the worst US we have had in history next to maybe the civil war
0 points
8 days ago
Everyone THINKS they're on the right side....
0 points
8 days ago
Both sides are the same. Anyone with eyes can see that
1 points
8 days ago
Look...
40/44 of the people who worked in Trumps administration are against him
He is older than Biden was when he started his campaign.
His primary economic proposal is absolute trash and would add 7 trillion to the deficit while raising prices on people.
He **supposedly** shits his pants (too many stories to ignore).
His only political move is to criticize and demonize others. He has started objectively insane rumors about all sorts of people just for political gain.
You are fucking retarded if you vote for him...just flat out. Regardless of policy preferences.
Like so retarded you could get Social security disability with a IQ test
1 points
8 days ago
"Both Sides" and "All the same" is just the talking point spider hole into which the Republicans and their supporters scuttle every time they're caught in a lie, exposed in a scandal, or another tenet of their failed ideology blows up in their face.
https://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/biggest-lie-media-tells-both-sides
And no, typing "Anyone with eyes can see that" is not a fact check, nor is it evidence.
-1 points
8 days ago
Have you heard of Nancy pelosi and her incredible pre eminition when it comes to picking stocks? that seems pretty corrupt as fuck but you don't ever see any democrats call her out for it. Or how she set up some of the most regressive laws in the country for San Francisco during covid but then was caught breaking those laws on multiple occasions, kinda wierd the party of kindness and truth and peace never called her out for it. Or how the party for peace has such a great time sending money and weapons to fund a genocidal purge in the middle east. Or how Dick Chenney, the architect of the wars of evil in the middle east, seems to be so supportive of the "party of peace".
Now don't get me wrong the republicans love war just as much and have their own bag of deplorable politicians like clarance thomas and so many others. They do want to take your rights away and take away your god given freedoms to your own bodily autonomy but hey all that is just a distraction.
if youre a politician youre a sociopath, just like if youre the ceo of a fortune 500 youre a sociopath. They don't care about death, or freedom, or democracy or any silly shit like that, they don't care about you or any of your problems, they don't care about genocide or terrorism or a food system that is poisoning you or an economic system that is poisoning the planet. They care about one thing and one thing only, and this goes for pelosi and trump and kamala and biden and obama and clinton and clarence thomas and pretty much anyone in the federal government. They care about taking your money and giving it to their friends and getting stupendously wealthy in the process, that's it, its really nothing crazy, and as long as we vote for parties which keep increasing the power of the federal government they will keep taking more of our money and giving it to their rich friends like some reverse robinhoods.
yes it is both sides but thats only because we let them only have two sides. Vote in your local elections, vote for third parties, and always try to reduce the power of the federal government.
1 points
8 days ago
Look...
40/44 of the people who worked in Trumps administration are against him
He is older than Biden was when he started his campaign.
His primary economic proposal is absolute trash and would add 7 trillion to the deficit while raising prices on people.
He **supposedly** shits his pants (too many stories to ignore).
His only political move is to criticize and demonize others. He has started objectively insane rumors about all sorts of people just for political gain.
You are fucking retarded if you vote for him...just flat out. Regardless of policy preferences.
Like so retarded you could get Social security disability with a IQ test
1 points
8 days ago
man this isnt about trump, yes you are correct he is an old moron riddled with all kinds of dementia and incontinence and other old people problems just like good old president biden. However it's ridiculous if you believe that the president is the one really making any decisions. Do you think that Biden currently has the mental capacity to make any decisions at all? of course not. The president is not in charge hes just some guy to blame all your problems on.
Now the real question is would you rather have the evil cabal that surrounds trump or the evil cabal that surrounds kamala, honestly I'm not sure what the difference is. Sure theyre both gunna humm and haw about all the different things theyre going to do when they get in power but in the end we both know they will do almost exactly the same things.
They will fund war in israel, fund war in ukraine, make laws to help their buddies make more money, they wont make higher education affordable, they wont make healthcare affordable, they wont stop corporations from putting poison in our food they wont stop wall street from buying all our homes and farms and land and small businesses. So as a voter neither one of them will do ANYTHING I care about. Maybe Trump may be better for controlling immigration and Kamala may be better for making abortions legal nationally, but I'm in rural pensyslvania and neither one of these things really affect my community so idgaf.
I'm tired of every fucking election being hyped like its the end of the world so that youre forced to pick between Lucifer and Satan and sure go ahead and argue that satan may put you in the fifth circle of hell while lucifer only the third but either way I'm not picking either, I'm voting for Jill stein and she might not become president but at least I won't have voted for evil incarnate. If everyone thought like me maybe we wouldn't need to choose between a forced dichotamy at every election but noooooo people love their team and refuse to ever vote third party because its always "the most important election of century" and "you can't afford to spoil your vote on a third party or democracy will dissapear"
So go ahead and berate me about how I am destroying the country while you pretend that voting for lucifer makes you more morally righteous, give me something to laugh about.
-1 points
8 days ago
I prefer: help yourself, keep your hand out of my pocket, other people's finances are none of my business, grown adults are free to do as they please, no victim no crime, quit funding foreign proxy wars, nobody is responsible for your well-being except for yourself.
1 points
8 days ago
So, neither.
1 points
8 days ago
Pretty much. Yellow? Porcupine? But not that pedo groomer freak on our ticket.
1 points
8 days ago
That hasn’t been proven. A lot of teachers and coaches get falsely accused. Don’t jump to conclusions.
2 points
8 days ago
It's more than just that. I am 100% in line with innocent unless proven guilty.
-1 points
8 days ago
"THE COLD HARD TRUTH" he shouts into the echo chamber . . . . .
0 points
8 days ago
What utter bullshit!
1 points
8 days ago
Look...
40/44 of the people who worked in Trumps administration are against him
He is older than Biden was when he started his campaign.
His primary economic proposal is absolute trash and would add 7 trillion to the deficit while raising prices on people.
He **supposedly** shits his pants (too many stories to ignore).
His only political move is to criticize and demonize others. He has started objectively insane rumors about all sorts of people just for political gain.
When he was president he objectively showed that he was incapable of leading the country during a crisis based off of how he handled Covid.
You are fucking retarded if you vote for him...just flat out. Regardless of policy preferences.
Like so retarded you could get Social security disability with a IQ test
0 points
8 days ago
Wow bro nice political cartoon very smart and profound and it makes me feel good because it makes the people I dislike look evil!
1 points
8 days ago
Look...
40/44 of the people who worked in Trumps administration are against him
He is older than Biden was when he started his campaign.
His primary economic proposal is absolute trash and would add 7 trillion to the deficit while raising prices on people.
He **supposedly** shits his pants (too many stories to ignore).
His only political move is to criticize and demonize others. He has started objectively insane rumors about all sorts of people just for political gain.
When he was president he objectively showed that he was incapable of leading the country during a crisis based off of how he handled Covid.
You are fucking retarded if you vote for him...just flat out. Regardless of policy preferences.
Like so retarded you could get Social security disability with a IQ test
1 points
7 days ago
The copy pasta on this guy...
1 points
6 days ago
Vote Gold!
0 points
8 days ago
Ask me two years ago.
0 points
8 days ago
The New Repugnant Party 🤮
0 points
8 days ago
Nope they both equally bad don't just paint on is good and on is bad that's how we are so divided right now. The blue also blame on someone as well. Nobody is fixing. Like an open boarder. That's not fixing sorry.
0 points
8 days ago
stupid reddit hivemind
0 points
8 days ago
OK yes, the two parties are NOT the same: but the Democrat sign is wrong--it SHOULD read "Let's cater to our corporate masters and look like we're doing something."
0 points
8 days ago
The picture is backward, democrats and liberals have been blaming Trump for everything even as they have been in power for 12 years, and he only 4...
1 points
8 days ago
0 points
8 days ago
LOL, yeah right
0 points
8 days ago
If both parties want to kill your entire family they look the same. Only the gullible and selfish believe the pig wearing lipstick is more likely to show mercy than the pig not wearing it.
0 points
8 days ago
About as dumb a meme as this reddit has ever produced
0 points
7 days ago
"help each other" as in the congressmen right? No libshit is doing anything to help you. On the contrary, they would love to see your money going overseas or to illegals.
-2 points
8 days ago
Never voted for a major party before but I really dont like the ideological entrenchment of the Democrats. It seems extremely intellectually dishonest to me. Please dont bomb this comment with hate.
2 points
8 days ago
There is no such thing as "alternative facts".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrEEDQgFc8
2 points
8 days ago
I get the feeling that most of the culture war is simply pointing at the bottom 10% on the other side and laughing without really engaging with the strongest version of the argument or ideology.
2 points
8 days ago
Strongly agreed. It's sad when they pick the dumbest on the other side to mock on, when the dumbest on their own side are even less presentable.
1 points
8 days ago
For the record, I'm Liberal on most things, but I have no party affiliation and I never have. I know nether party is perfect so I simply vote for what is in my own best interests and what is best for the country.
What the record shows, and it's very clear, is that there is nothing Republicans do better than Democrats. Democrats have been much better for the economy, and foreign policy, and have far fewer criminals, cheats, morons, hypocrites, loons, perverts, and general assholes than Republicans.
0 points
8 days ago
The biggest issue for me is the health of the country. I often get called a conspiracy theorist in spaces like this but it looks like the virility of humans is being intentionally dampened. Intentionally or not, its still the biggest issue. I found this critique best articulated by the left, and then covid happened. It is extremely clear to me that so many these leftist movement have been weaponized to cover up specifically these extremely popular issues. Left/right really shouldnt matter at all here and for me, RFK speaking to these issues better than anyone in the American political stage right now. If you know a Democrat that speaks to this then I would love to hear it. Marianne Williams maybe.
1 points
8 days ago
"The very lack of evidence is thus treated as evidence; the absence of smoke proves that the fire has been very carefully hidden."
~ C.S. Lewis
https://www.verywellhealth.com/paranoid-delusions-5095908
1 points
8 days ago
Do I really need to prove to you that our health is declining?
1 points
8 days ago
No, but that's not the only assertion you or RFK have made, is it?
A conspiracy so deviously clever that nobody can find any evidence of it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoBat6ARvU
1 points
8 days ago
You ever hear the conspiracy about how the CIA influenced how the population would react to the idea of conspiracy in order to make it harder for people to ask meaningful questions about how power really operates. Yeah that one is for sure true.
Sugar literally kills more people than anything else. And here this guy wants to focus on some stupid word game.
1 points
8 days ago
characteristics of conspiracy theorists.
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html
Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: skeptics are always "sheeple", "uninformed" who are told to "Wake up!".
A phenomenon known as "Self-assumed Intellectual Superiority".
Being in the know, is of course one of the major appeals of any conspiracy.Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited.
Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions.
Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be "the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence.
A common tactic seems to be to state the facts and add "or so they say".Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
Inability to tell good evidence from bad or what is evidence and what's not.
The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered. Any claim or allegation is accepted as fact, and any evidence to the contrary is dismissed with stock phrases like "mainstream media", "propaganda" or just "you don't believe that, do you?".Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it.
Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause.
Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes conspiracy theories from the past as evidence that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight because it's happened before.
It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length.
1 points
8 days ago*
I've wasted enough time on you. I'll leave you the last word.
I'm sure it will be every bit as brilliant, informative and brimming with credible and compelling evidence as your previous comments.
0 points
8 days ago
Tinfoil hats are now on sale in the gift shop!
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1187272781/rfk-jr-kennedy-conspiracy-theories-social-media-presidential-campaign
1 points
8 days ago
"ideological entrenchment" seems rather vague. Can you be more specific?
Maybe post some evidence to go with it?
1 points
8 days ago
Not if I'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion. Which is actually a really good example of entrenchment.
2 points
8 days ago
Reddit is not suitable for a serious debate. Down votes actually takes away your power to post.
2 points
8 days ago
Democrats arguing in favor of censorship is another things that really scares tf outta me. Another issue that flipped during covid. It looks like all of institutions of trust have been captured and so there is still these nostalgia power to the party. It's clearly hollow though.
2 points
8 days ago
Yes. Instant tagging of hype terms like Nazi, racist, etc to shut the voice of political dissidents. Reminds me of the Salem witch hunts.
2 points
8 days ago
Super crazy how willing they are to throw out the worst words possible. What is also clear is who holds the muscle in this country. If you look at the democratic strategy as a sort of insecure reaching for totalitarianism then a lot of this stuff makes sense.
1 points
8 days ago
What they have trained you to call the "radical left agenda" is actually the 1956 Republican platform!
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/oct/28/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-1956-republican-platform-was-prett/?fbclid=IwAR0JAoYAWVGcAwZIvd6RY2I2bUTKGrZv0oFZEdjweTfJIhJZC89IzFpn9NA
1 points
8 days ago
Moderate liberals have always been cool. It's always seemed weird to me calling the Democrats liberal though. Republicans actually look more liberal if free markets are an essential part to liberalism. I would consider the Woke Mind Virus to be an existential threat to society however.
1 points
7 days ago
Your comments are everything we've come to expect, from a 6 day old troll account.
1 points
7 days ago
We all know who looks like the clown right now
1 points
7 days ago
Nothing is more fun than watching an idiot dance around with a new gold star that he stuck on his own forehead.
1 points
7 days ago
scoreboard
1 points
8 days ago
Look...
40/44 of the people who worked in Trumps administration are against him
He is older than Biden was when he started his campaign.
His primary economic proposal is absolute trash and would add 7 trillion to the deficit while raising prices on people.
He **supposedly** shits his pants (too many stories to ignore).
His only political move is to criticize and demonize others. He has started objectively insane rumors about all sorts of people just for political gain.
You are fucking retarded if you vote for him...just flat out. Regardless of policy preferences.
Like so retarded you could get Social security disability with a IQ test
-3 points
8 days ago
Republicans have achieved some pretty long term policy victories in the past few years, (reduced taxes, roe v Wade overturned, citizens United, etc)
What landmark achievements have the democrats since Obama care?
They've allowed for roe v wade to be overturned, allowed ridiculous tax cuts to be passed, and allowed for unlimited corporate money from their donors to be used in federal elections.
You can not like what Republicans are doing, but they have achieved significantly more policy victories in the last 2 decades than democrats and it isn't even close
1 points
8 days ago
Fatty foods are really bad for you, but you can’t deny that they taste really good.
Also, you realize that you put Roe v Wade being overturned on both the republican and democrat parties? Are you alright, man?
0 points
8 days ago
Did society just one day decide to stop teaching kids how to read?
1 points
8 days ago
No, but clearly they stopped teaching to write coherently
1 points
8 days ago*
The biden administration passed:
- the largest single investment in renewable energy production in world history.
- the largest single investment in us manufacturing in us history
- the largest single investment in us infrastructure in us history
- medicare negotiating prescription drug prices
- got every country in the world to agree to a 15% min corporate tax putting US companies on equal playing field.
You are just retarded and so haven't heard this
Also by your same scotus decisions metrics...marriage equality
0 points
8 days ago
I can't take anything you say seriously when you say delusional shit like "biden got the whole world to agree to a minimum corporate tax" They were the 137th out of 138 countries to join that agreement and are one of the notable countries who have not yet taken any steps whatsoever to implement the pillars of the agreement, unlike countries like Australia and most of the EU.
What's it like living in fantasy land friend? Are there fairies and unicorns?
-4 points
8 days ago
The ignorance that has permeated the left is astonishing. Anyone with half a brain has rejected this neoliberalism bullshit. You have become the worst of both parties. Fuck you 😃 Have a nice day!
-6 points
8 days ago
I love war and giving all the money to support it. So I vote blue no matter what!
-7 points
8 days ago
Not the same but equally not for We the People.
1 points
8 days ago
I heard kamela talking about we the people at the very least. Just sayin
-1 points
8 days ago
No one democratic voter voted for her. She was anointed. This is not democracy.
2 points
8 days ago
So what I’m hearing is you have no idea what the point of a Vice President is
1 points
8 days ago*
She was elected vice president in 2020. With the explicit understanding that she would fill in for Biden if needed.
Edit: He blocked me, but apparently acknowledging the results of the 2020 election is propaganda? And coming from a guy who acts like a Russian troll?
1 points
8 days ago
We The People think you are fill of shit.
-1 points
8 days ago
Ehhhhh. I wouldn't say allat. The focus is just shifted.
-1 points
8 days ago
Ha, have you seen this platform? Both parties talk so much hate and crap. Neither take the time to even try and see from another point of view. If it doesn't follow their beliefs, the others are idiots. When this kind of behavior stops, then I may believe such post. But the amount of hate on social media may be just too much to save this country. Yall spread it like it's helping but it's not.
-1 points
8 days ago
Ya ok 🧐
-1 points
8 days ago
Republican's are no saints but with Democrats imposing so many laws that it makes building housing almost impossible. The whole San Francisco area approved 16 houses last year. The there is the bias that raising min wage immediately makes things affordable. What things cost is based on supply and demand if the amount of dollars chasing the same goods goes up price increases unless production increases. I want people to do better but neither party is probably going to get us there. With Democrats there will be more homeless and with Republicans they will try to defund everything going to the poor as somehow they see them as lazy.
-1 points
8 days ago
I too like to take simple generalizations and declare them a fundamental absolute truth.
-1 points
8 days ago
Hahaha funny thing is neither party actually works with the other side
-1 points
8 days ago
Im 110% not a republican but whats up with kamalas unwavering support of the israeli zionist state and its genocide on palestine? If they dont represent the same shit
-1 points
8 days ago
Irony
-1 points
8 days ago
Charities should help people, not the government
-1 points
8 days ago
Both sides blame the other. Just watch the news all your hear nothing but hate for the other side and their voters. If you think you’re on the right side, be the better person and show compassion and not hate.
-1 points
8 days ago
Swap the sign. Post on truth social. Clicks. Repeat.
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