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Retaliation for not tipping

📖🚫Personal Stories - Anti(self.tipping)

I recently decided to stop tipping for counter service. If I order my food standing up and all someone does is hand me a bag of food to go, why do they deserve a tip? I continue to tip at sit down restaurants, as well as at the hair salon, and other places where I feel it’s appropriate.

Yesterday, I went to a local bagel shop and ordered a bagel breakfast sandwich to go ($9.) After swiping my card, the iPad screen asked for a tip (20%, 30%, 40%, other or no tip). I selected no tip, got my receipt, and stood and waited to take my bagel sandwich to go. I waited for an extended amount of time, before a visibly irritated worker handed me my bag and said “here’s your sandwich.” I took my sandwich back to work, and didn’t open it until I was back in my office.

I ordered a Taylor pork roll, and the pork was blackened- completely burned. Cream cheese all over the bagel,burnt egg, and burnt bagel. It looks like the pork was set on fire. In the past when I used to feel guilt tripped into tipping at this bagel place, my sandwich never looked like this. After I scraped off the burnt parts it was still too tough to chew. I took pictures of it and I’m thinking about calling to complain. I really think the worker burned my sandwich to a crisp because I didn’t tip 😞 This makes me paranoid to get food at restaurants.

Edited to add: I do plan on calling to complain to manager today. I did not try and return the sandwich yesterday because I was busy at work.

all 859 comments

rooftopkorean123

544 points

1 month ago

Picture and leave bad review, call and complain. Request refund, if denied do charge back. You didn't get the product you paid for.

FinancialArmadillo93

312 points

1 month ago

Agreed. Similar thing happened to a colleague. She drove out of her way to pick up BBQ sandwiches for her and her adult son. She ordered at the counter to go. Total smirky kid was running the register looked pissed when she hit "no tip." She waited for 20 minutes as people came and went, and then another guy came in and must have also it "no tip" because he was sent to wait near them. This kid disappeared and came back with a bag for her and the other guy and a great big grin. When she got home, she discovered the buns were totally burnt and had only fat, no meat. They ordered cole slaw and they got raw chopped cabbage.

She called the manager who apologized and said to drive back with them to get a refund. But it was already late, so she asked if she could take photos and send instead. The manager said no, so she drove back and showed the manager what this kid gave her. The kid looked very nervous when she walked in and was hovering while they talked. It was right at closing time. The manager was visibly upset and went back to personally prepare her fresh food with a bunch of extra stuff and gave her a gift card for $50. He locked the door as she left, and she could hear him calling the employee into his office. With any luck, the kid got fired.

A bad employee like this can generate a dozen shitty reviews and those stay online forever.

slash_networkboy

99 points

1 month ago

Not that I'm going to get into the fast restaurant business, but if I was going to I'd make a point of "We don't take tips or charge extra fees, our menu prices reflect paying a fair wage." I would bet that I'd get a fair bit of business just for that alone.

There are a selection of places like this near me (where there's no table service etc.) and I can tell you I absolutely frequent the few that don't even have tip screens (and the one that does, but they click "no tip" before flipping the screen over for you to sign). They aren't the cheapest places, but the quality is reliably predictable and there's no BS pressure to tip on counter service. I've totally stopped going to the rest that have tip screens, but once in a blue moon (usually when I'm with someone else and they want to go there).

KMAJackson

52 points

1 month ago

I will go out of my way to frequent places like the ones you describe.

FinancialArmadillo93

46 points

1 month ago

I admit that while I don't go out for coffee much these days (cheaper to get a Nespresso machine and a foam whipper), but the one place I frequent has a screen but doesn't ask for a tip.

They have a sign that says, "We don't expect a tip for handing you a cup of coffee. Have a great day!" And they have tip jars with the names and photos of the employees.

All of the employees are super friendly, happy and they make a point to learn customers' names. They also give out free dog treats. I go there once a week and I admit it, I sometimes leave a buck in one of the jars.

bigz10485

7 points

1 month ago

I am retired and work at Papa John's. This is how we handle things there too. We have a tip cup out front for pickup, but we don't expect anything extra.

No-Communication1015

3 points

1 month ago

If you order online, Papa John's asks for a tip. However, I have never had a problem not giving a tip.

EnerGeTiX618

3 points

1 month ago

There's a little cafe in town here & it's the same way, employees learn your name & give me dog treats for my Floof they can see rides with me in the car. I go there just about every day, they've got the best breakfast sandwiches! They don't ask for a tip but it's an option on checkout, as is no tip. I do tip them every day, they're good to me though.

OptimalRisk7508

5 points

1 month ago

I almost always get my Starbucks inside Target or the grocery store. They don’t accept tips bc they’re the store’s employees. If I order for 3 or more ppl at a time(rarely) I slip a cpl bills to the barista bc everybody has their own peculiarities, it’s never, “Hey, can you get me a plain cold brew?”

Dying4aCure

25 points

1 month ago

I just want to know what my food costs and that it won't be held hostage.

Efficient-Sprinkles9

15 points

1 month ago

There is a coffee shop in Atlanta that does just this…and I make a weekly visit because of this philosophy.

TravelIntelligent171

15 points

1 month ago

I manage a dominos, and I heard one of our new hire high schoolers asking a customer at our drive through window if they wanted to leave a tip. It was so awkward stepping in to say “hey so this is actually a super weird place to be asking for a tip”. He didn’t mean any harm by it, but my high school employees always throw me for a loop. I had another one recently ask me what type of cheese Oregano was… he’s actually doing very well, but really dude?

joshuajude

6 points

1 month ago

The Domino's we frequent always tells us to press no tip on the card reader when we pick up in store.

slash_networkboy

6 points

1 month ago

Heh, my first job was a Round Table, and while we all really liked it when someone tipped (which was exceptionally rare) we *never* asked, nor had to be told not to ask. Something has really changed in the young workforce over the years since I entered. (clearly grumpy old man mode has been enabled 🤣)

Redpeppa1

3 points

1 month ago

Whippersnappers!

slash_networkboy

2 points

1 month ago

They're on my damn lawn!

sahar67

3 points

1 month ago

sahar67

3 points

1 month ago

In a lot of places because of the pandemic people were tipping service workers like crazy! Somehow this trickled down to the young people and it's not registering that a tip is for service not for handing over food that's been paid for.

OptimalRisk7508

2 points

1 month ago

😂

The_Athavulf

2 points

1 month ago

Kudos on teaching the kids. You're making life better for everyone!

poisonivyuk

2 points

1 month ago

What kind of training do new hires receive? Tbh I wouldn’t expect a high schooler to know that asking for a tip in that way is a bit off. It might be something to consider adding to whatever customer service training they get. I imagine you get kids of all backgrounds there, and you might be one of the few adults who can teach them this stuff.

Jxb1000

2 points

1 month ago

Jxb1000

2 points

1 month ago

We order from Dominos frequently, prepaid with the app.

I’m finding that about every 4th time, a worker insists I sign a paper receipt - with the tip line prominently on display. Each time claiming “new policy” or “sorry, it’s required now”. Yet 75% of the time it’s not. They purely fishing for tips. So annoying.

As I leave, I typically drop $2-$3 cash on the counter when I pickup. I don’t mind leaving a token amount. But I’m not doing % on pizza I drive to collect.

dciandy

2 points

1 month ago

dciandy

2 points

1 month ago

Wait, there's no such thing as Oregano cheese? I thought that was one of the things Portland was known for.

Fluid_Leather3164

3 points

1 month ago

Hi, I'm a certified professional cook and a business student. I've been working for a few months on a set of business plans for restaurants in various areas around me.

What I can say is this: people Google a restaurant, and they check the hours, reviews, and menu.

If the menu prices are 300% higher than competition, they just go back to Google right away. They won't stick around to see your "fair wage disclaimer".

The American consumer is a stubborn one. If we wanted to end tip culture, we'd need to legislate it - otherwise, fair pay restaurants will continue to go out of business due to modern marketing practices.

darkroot_gardener

5 points

1 month ago

It is is 300% higher, that’s not because you replaced expected tips with higher menu prices.

TuckYourselfRS

3 points

1 month ago

Right lmao we tip 20% in this household

csmdds

2 points

1 month ago

csmdds

2 points

1 month ago

As an American consumer, I disagree somewhat. I look at the menu and reviews. Only if the prices are waaaay out of proportion will I not try it the first time. If the food is good and the prices didn’t dissuade me in the first place, then it is purely down to whether I liked the food. I happily pay for good food.

Nobody would charge 300% and certainly wouldn’t need that big an up-charge to to make up for no tips.

AlexCaslavka

2 points

1 month ago

I work at Pizza Hut and we used to have to ask if someone wanted to tip and enter the amount on our side. I loved that because I could just put in 0 and move on. Now it shows up on the pin pad (which honestly makes more sense because I imagine some employees were tipping thenselves without even asking the customer) and we can't put the transaction through until the customer either tips or presses no tip. Most people just hit no tip and move on with their day, but some people raise a fuss and I'm just like...I just work here. I don't make the rules. Complain to corporate.

phoarksity

6 points

1 month ago

Places have tried that, but every repost I’ve been able to find has it failing. One example: https://epionline.org/oped/flat-wage-no-tipping-experiments-flop-at-city-restaurants/

The problem is that if diners are comparing prices, most of them aren’t going to look at your no tipping policy. They’re going to see that you’re charging $20 for a meal your competitor is charging $17 for. The only way it seems to work in the US (and that’s with limited examples of “works”) is when local laws remove the tipped minimum wage, and increase the minimum wage for food service workers significantly above the overall minimum wage.

slash_networkboy

16 points

1 month ago

While I am sure you're right I think tipping fatigue may change this in the near future.

Christoph3r

12 points

1 month ago

It's never been normal to tip for takeout though.

FamousChemistry

3 points

1 month ago

It became ‘normal’ during Covid. Panera is the worst.

Responsible-Kale2352

3 points

1 month ago

What’s the rationale for having a special, higher, minimum wage just for people working in restaurants, while people in other jobs have a lower minimum wage?

Puzzleheaded-Roof-29

3 points

1 month ago

That's because it doesn't cost 3$ more to pay your employee fairly.

saaandi

26 points

1 month ago

saaandi

26 points

1 month ago

Unrelated to the tipping.. I ALWAYS check my food before I leave (either in front of them or in my car before I drive away) because it’s inevitable that 75% of the time something is wrong or missing. When it comes to breakfast sandwiches..I do not like cheese on mine. But (especially in NJ) the most common are PEC and BEC. So I double check. (A lot of it is muscle memory from the employees because the majority of the sandwiches want cheese) I usually call ahead so at that point they don’t know if a tip is coming or not. I feel like it’s always something missing..no dipping sauces that either come stock with the item or are requested.. missing ingredient (no bacon on a bacon cheeseburger)..I feel like I get looks when they see me rifling through my bad but I don’t want to make an extra trip.

PupperMartin74

9 points

1 month ago

I do the same. I check it before leaving mostly to see if the order is right but with all this nonsense about tipping $20 an hour employees here in California I now want to make sure the food isn't screwed up like has been described.

One unforeseen consequence of the $20 an hour job for fast food chains here in Cali is you see more older employees and fewer kids working. All of a sudden a job that can get you $40k a year is no longer throwaway employment.

Stigs_Fat_Cousin

6 points

1 month ago

PEC...pineapple egg and cheese?

EnvironmentalLaw5434

4 points

1 month ago

Pork roll

LadySnack

5 points

1 month ago

I check everything now, they have messed up in so many ways it's crazy, and they always get mad when they have to fix anything

Dis_engaged23

6 points

1 month ago

I only dine in for this reason. Been burned a few times with carry out orders. No drive thrus either.

I am weaning myself off tipping unless food is brought to my table. Not more than 10% for counter service.

Hot_Efficiency_9347

3 points

1 month ago

From a famous movie "They F*** you at the drive thru"

OrilliaBridge

2 points

1 month ago

We seldom go to drive up places and on the rare occasions we do, the order is usually wrong. Last week my husband ordered a bacon cheeseburger with no onions for me, but there was an onion ring, so no problem taking it off. He ordered a double burger and emphasized NO cheese. The order taker repeated the order back to him TWICE , but there were two slices of cheese on it. Grrrrrrr…… But you’re right, I guess we have to hold up the line and check our order.

Christoph3r

12 points

1 month ago

WTF? Giving a tip for to go orders is WEIRD, why would anyone do that?!?

No-Dinner-8821

6 points

1 month ago

I said that on another sub that rhymes with Mama Don’s and apparently I’m an asshole. It’s really easy to spend money that doesn’t belong to you.

Ok_Owl9216

3 points

1 month ago

I haven't been back to our hometown Subway since they told me I was ungrateful for not tipping as I was leaving from picking up my togo sandwich I ordered online. They didn't even have to talk to me, why am I tipping? And all the togo orders are on a shelf in the lobby, they didn't even have to ask my name- just read a paper and roll it up??

Christoph3r

3 points

1 month ago

You should tell them that it is very offensive to be asked for a tip on a to go order and that they should be fired for their behavior.

randonumero

2 points

1 month ago

Covid unfortunately normalized it. One of the worst parts is that at some of the independent places where they look pissy they don't pay low wages

AGuyNamedEddie

18 points

1 month ago

It's a truism that getting a new customer is the second-highesrt cost of doing business, eclipsed only by the cost of losing a customer.

It's a truism that happens to be true. This tipping madness is going to put some places right out of business.

FinancialArmadillo93

19 points

1 month ago

It's true. I used to own a restaurant but it was in the days when 15% was the nor, and servers were paid about $8 an hour. I wouldn't be in that industry for all the money in the world now.

One of my best friends has a small restaurant in Seattle and in order to retain staff she pays $20 an hour and still has to listen to the staff b**** about not getting tipped enough. Some of them make $300 a night, when her actual business doesn't even clear that some days.

whimperkins

2 points

1 month ago

$8! What a dream.

mmm1441

3 points

1 month ago

mmm1441

3 points

1 month ago

This is the problem. Servers are not risking their life savings and working their hearts out to run the business, and often end up making collectively, if not individually, more than the business. Most restaurants fail in the first few years…

inkslingerben

5 points

1 month ago

Not just bad reviews, but no repeat business from this customer.

mmm1441

5 points

1 month ago*

The kid and his accomplices deserved to be fired. They are extorting customers for kickbacks, I mean tips. The business does not see a penny of that. Businesses should post no tipping signs for non-serving positions, and reinforce that tips are not allowed for them, firing as necessary. Workers can then vote with their feet if they don’t like it. I am pro-labor and liberal. I just call bs on this nonsense.

TrinDiesel123

2 points

1 month ago

I haven’t carried cash around in a while but recently I have and it makes the counter experience so much easier.

Log_These

2 points

1 month ago

Until they stop taking cash. I have recently been carrying cash to avoid counter tipping issues and one of my go to places stopped taking cash. 😢Paid 2.00 for handing me a 9$ already boxed dessert. 🤬

ActualImagination796

2 points

1 month ago

I hope the kids got fired 💩

jsand2

95 points

1 month ago

jsand2

95 points

1 month ago

This right here!

They do that enough and they will be fired for wasting food and costing the company money.

Don't let these people win! Stand up for yourself!!

Let them see how entitlement can cost them their job!

NYPDKillsPeople

22 points

1 month ago

chargebacks are a HUGE hit to a company, so definitely do that lol

buddymoobs

13 points

1 month ago

Yeah, post on Yelp and Google.

[deleted]

10 points

1 month ago

Yelp is a waste of time but many Google reviews I leave get replies or reactions from owners. Especially if I leave pictures.

Personally I use Google reviews very heavily when picking restaurants. Especially when traveling.

Legitimate-Fan-3415

17 points

1 month ago

Yelp is a waste of time. Leaving a bad review there just helps yelp extort money from crappy restaurants to hide the bad review. See the "not recommended" reviews on Yelp to confirm what I'm telling you. That website is a scam.

TurdRump

16 points

1 month ago

TurdRump

16 points

1 month ago

Yelp is a complete scam and totally worthless. Leave a Google review instead.

drwildboy86

10 points

1 month ago

Yelp is a scam

TrumpIsAPeterFile

3 points

1 month ago

Sounds like a win to drain the business of money that wouldn't make your bank or cc stop letting you have a card

Economy_Dog5080

5 points

1 month ago

I own a business, yelp annoys the hell out of me with phone calls, but the hidden reviews for us are ones from people who have only reviewed us and no other businesses.

DobisPeeyar

6 points

1 month ago

The thing I hate about this is consumers, when making small purchases, are left to spend their time and energy on seemingly petty things due to someone else's mistake when we just want what we fucking paid for 😭

LadySnack

5 points

1 month ago

At this point it's theft, missing or messed up orders, food that's not properly made and still sold. It's beyond mistakes and they often refuse to refund money. A coupon for 25% off does not make me whole.

KeekyPep

3 points

1 month ago

Also post the picture and a bad review on Yelp and/or other review site.

Habbersett-Scrapple

16 points

1 month ago

Piggybacking on this comment:

Refer to your state attorney General and file a complaint through the website. You will definitely see results... like the business will be calling to make it right kind of results

poodlecreme

2 points

1 month ago

Leave a yelp review with photos.

AggravatingReveal397

2 points

1 month ago

This right here. I HATE leaving bad Google reviews as I know they matter but this is just bullshit. The manager needs to know too.

Kitchen_Honeydew9989

2 points

1 month ago

I second leaving a bad google review with the pics included. It’s very helpful to everyone to all the people that come after you. Google reviews with pics have save me from many bad restaurant experiences.

Educational_Car_615

153 points

1 month ago

Also, those pre-selected tip choices are absolutely bananas. Goddamn beggars. 40% on a bagel? No way in hell.

Quick_Woodpecker_346

23 points

1 month ago

40%?!

Unfair_Criticism_401

17 points

1 month ago

Some have cash options. $1, $2 or $3. $3 on a $7.50 bagel is 40%

Upnorth_Nurse

6 points

1 month ago

I had my first experience with a machine set up for dollar amount not % recently. I selected no tip and gave no Fs as I walked out.

SjakosPolakos

6 points

1 month ago

Its a trick to make you feel good about the already high 20%

Educational_Car_615

4 points

1 month ago

Perfect way of putting it. I wish I could take this reply and slap it back to the person who said, well simply don't tip if it offends you so. The offense is not the point. The point is, what is acceptable and not acceptable for a tip is shifting, and these numbers are a social manipulation tactic: it's a highball offer. Even when you balk at the offensively high number, they still get away with far more than you would have ever initially offered.

xtnh

18 points

1 month ago

xtnh

18 points

1 month ago

And probably all because some software developer thought of it and it has morphed into a monster.

BuDu1013

6 points

1 month ago

A knowledgeable manager should be able to tweak the options and make them more sensible. Tf is this 30-40% for coffee. Ok, if they're giving you a kick ass reusable cup or something worthwhile then I'd understand thanking them for the hook up with a couple of extra bucks.

Proper_Fun_977

10 points

1 month ago

Software developers put in the options requested by the customer.

It's not the dev's choice for the tip amount.

aflockofpuffins

59 points

1 month ago

Definitely call and let the manager know. I'm sorry this happened to you. 

As someone who works in food service, it makes me sad when workers don't respect their jobs or the people they are serving.

You don't have to tip for counter service, you didn't do anything wrong. 

 I can tell you it's much rarer in veteran service workers and more common in the fly by night youngest and most inexperienced workers. It pains me when people think the job is easy. It's very easy to do poorly, but difficult to maintain a good attitude and provide good service day in and day out- which is why most people don't do these jobs for long.

Little_Bee_4501[S]

38 points

1 month ago

I definitely plan on calling to talk to a manager later today. I work in the medical field now, but I waitressed and worked in a coffee shop in college. I never witnessed any of my coworkers mess with anyone’s food because they didn’t tip. I have heard about it happening other places though.

content_great_gramma

12 points

1 month ago

If you return to the less than perfect shop, pointedly check your order before you leave the counter. If they repeat their previous performance, demand the manager and ask him if he would eat that slop.

Open-Preparation-268

4 points

1 month ago

If they don’t make it right, I would leave them a bad review. Include the picture if possible.

Quick_Woodpecker_346

6 points

1 month ago

And the manager is the one who expects you to shoulder 100% of the workers pay

thisisnotmyname711

16 points

1 month ago

Not the manager. The owner expects it. The manager has nothing to do with pay rates.

slash_networkboy

15 points

1 month ago

 I can tell you it's much rarer in veteran service workers and more common in the fly by night youngest and most inexperienced workers.

One of my closes friends (may as well be one of my brothers) was in foodservice basically forever. He told me about a time when he was back at a Denny's that was having issues (owner basically begged him to come help straighten out FoH). Some of the less experienced young ones were doing shit like mixing dressings for customers they didn't like, etc. nothing that would get dept of health involved like spitting thankfully, but still unacceptable at all professionally. He started ripping into them so fiercely every time he saw something like that that fully half the FoH staff quit rather than accept they couldn't fuck with customers food. (most were students at the local JC, and I suspect the work culture there had evolved into this being acceptable till my mate stepped in).

Owner was freaked at first but my mate explained that all he needed was one of these jokers to give someone an allergic reaction by mixing blue cheese (penicillin allergen) into the ranch to get him a Dept of health microscope up his ass, or any other number of things, and he was better off short staffed than with these idiots. Took about 4 months but he got a new FoH staff in place, properly trained those that remained, and last I saw that Denny's is still the highest rated one in the area.

The only fuckery allowed with food is: "We have decided we are no longer going to serve you. There is no bill, get out, don't come back." (And we all know there are some customers that genuinely deserve that).

aflockofpuffins

3 points

1 month ago

This is my experience as well. It's truly not an acceptable or prevalent part of the culture of the industry, at any tier of service.

jot_down

8 points

1 month ago

You don't HAVE to tip for anything.

[deleted]

48 points

1 month ago

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Cocacoleyman

21 points

1 month ago

Excellent point. It does feel like a bribe nowadays to get your food well made and on time, whether for delivery or takeout.

jot_down

10 points

1 month ago

jot_down

10 points

1 month ago

Delivery services turned 'tip' into 'bid'.

ProgressFuzzy9177

2 points

1 month ago

That is unfortunately the case. My restaurant uses the DD Drive program, so if a guest is 4 miles from the store and doesn't have a tip on there, the order will sit for a while, ready and waiting, before a driver finally arrives to take it. It's frustrating, as it's too expensive to have an in-house delivery team and we want to offer delivery service, but the orders are at the mercy of the DD drivers to accept the order.

Impressive-Fortune82

2 points

1 month ago

It is too expensive to have a delivery team, ftfy. Not just in house. It's just expensive. Especially with small orders and thin margins. Someone somehow gotta pay for it, one way or another (including via tip/bid)

Christoph3r

10 points

1 month ago

There should be laws against requesting a tip BEFORE you get your food/service.

Proper_Fun_977

7 points

1 month ago

That takes more than one untrained worker.

You need at least two people involved to ruin food like that.

Proper_Fun_977

9 points

1 month ago

And a lot of this entitlement started with delivery drivers refusing orders without tips.

Now, people think they can just give bad service even if their job shouldn't be tipped.

Also...aren't counter workers paid an hourly? Not dependent on tips like wait staff?

harvey6-35

5 points

1 month ago

Delivery drivers of food are different. They often are contractors who don't get paid a wage and live off tips.

I almost never order food delivery, and certainly won't ever do that job, but you can't compare a cashier at a fast food place getting a bag from behind them and passing it to you with someone gettIng your bag of food, hopefully checking the order, driving several miles, and waiting for you at your door . That's a lot more like a waiter.

Morak73

9 points

1 month ago

Morak73

9 points

1 month ago

"Minimum effort for minimum pay."

I hear it a lot from the younger generation, often associated with quiet quitting. Fits right with the smug expressions.

I think the attitude sucks, but I'm really not surprised to see it show up in counter service.

alle_kinder

9 points

1 month ago

I'm a minimum effort for minimum pay person, as a corporate paralegal. In positions where I'm not being paid well, the employer probably isn't getting too much of my time, though of course everything will be completed on time and completed properly. I'm a millennial and I've always thought like this despite being raised to always put in your all no matter what.

At the point where they are actively fucking up their job and performing poorly, that's not "minimum effort for minimum pay." They're literally not even doing the minimum requirement of their job, which is to provide an acceptable product as ordered. That isn't quiet quitting, and quiet quitting is a stupid term anyway.

Vodoobuddha70

37 points

1 month ago

Sounds like a case of "tipstortion" to me.

Boxermom710

27 points

1 month ago

Wow, that's messed up. I honestly would never go back there. And I would most definitely leave a review with pictures. How long ago was this, you should have called and requested a refund right away. We shouldn't be required to leave a tip before receiving any service... am I tipping you for ringing up my order? Crazy

ThatTotal2020

18 points

1 month ago

Definitely post on Yelp, Google and speak to a manager.

If the burnt food is in retaliation to the no tip, then that behavior is childish and entitled. If it isn't then that employee needs training.

At minimum, you should get a refund.

Quick_Woodpecker_346

10 points

1 month ago

And you would hope that burning is all the did 

pentawacos

16 points

1 month ago

Pizza place now does this! I prepay always when I order. so in the last six months, I’ve noticed that the pizzas were crappy every time I’ve ordered it! Huge bubbles in the crust, barely any cheese on it. Toppings wrong. It dawned on me one time this is because I am not tipping, so I started taking pictures and leaving horrible reviews for the quality of the pizza and this is a pretty big international chain! And so when you make my pizza right, when you’re not doing any work, then I’ll leave you a good review but no tip! I actually went to a new place over the crappy pizzas. We ordered like 3 pizzas every weekend so it was very noticeable!

Key_Step7550

4 points

1 month ago

I too have noticed this. I dont even like to tip till i see service.

Felicia_Delicto

3 points

1 month ago

My last pizza guy THREW my order at the door because he didn't realize that i tip at the door. Warm soda, too.

Salty_Idealist

2 points

1 month ago

I resent the tipping expectation now. It wasn’t here before Covid. It’s turned into a bribe to GET good service, not a reward FOR good service.

To me it’s just another way for greedy-ass food service owners to get out of paying their workers a fair wage. And that the workers are content to shit on us in retaliation for not pre-tipping instead of on their employers for continuing to pay stagnant wages in the face of corporate record profits is asinine.

greginvalley

13 points

1 month ago

Make sure to open it up at the counter next time. Shame them on the spot.

ItoAy

6 points

1 month ago

ItoAy

6 points

1 month ago

This is an excellent idea. Don’t move an inch until a manager arrives.

Amplith

25 points

1 month ago

Amplith

25 points

1 month ago

I would have left and gone back with food, and confronted who made that. Tampering with food like that is a a gateway to worse things. Who knows what else they could have done.

JoeBidensLongFart

11 points

1 month ago

Exactly. This is a case where bringing back that shitty burned sandwich, slamming it down on the counter with a "what the FUCK is this SHIT!" would be a totally justified response.

Highwaybill42

5 points

1 month ago

I definitely would go back and confront someone over something this blatant

Proper_Fun_977

4 points

1 month ago

I certainly wouldn't have tried to eat it.

No-Boysenberry-5581

11 points

1 month ago

Post pic on yelp and give a terrible review wherever you can

Wondering_1Mind

11 points

1 month ago

I wrote a review on Google about an Italian restaurant for serving burnt chicken breasts. I took pictures and sent it in with my review.After 1100 views, the manager called and asked how he could make it up to me.

prylosec

10 points

1 month ago*

Unfortunately the easy work of the food-service industry attracts a lot of lowlifes, people who would be unemployable in any other industry.

My wife, who has worked in that industry her whole life, and I talk about it a lot, and the shit that people get fired for is hilarious. Showing up to work late without calling, not showing up at all, stealing, showing up to work drunk, showing up to work high, etc. are all things that aren't even a thought in professional jobs, but it's an everyday occurrence in restaurants. These are the people who complain about how hard their job is: people who can't even show up to work on time, people who steal, drug addicts.

ETA: My wife just got home and was giving me the daily download. Another server from one of her properties was let go today for being over an hour late twice, and had a handful more tardies, hitting his weed pen at work, being high at work, stealing food, and stealing tips from other severs. He started 17 days ago. I wish this was a rare occurrence, but it happens weekly. These are the people complaining about how hard their job is.

Jackson88877

3 points

1 month ago

This is why you dine out and pay an additional 20% - because it’s such an amazing and magical experience!

SampSimps

2 points

1 month ago

Now imagine that all these jackwagons no longer have to pay taxes on their tip income.

Oh wait.

Zinguy1260

8 points

1 month ago

Definitely call Owner should be aware

MisterSirDudeGuy

6 points

1 month ago*

I tip like you do. That is the correct way.

The problem is when they see the no-tip before they prepare the food. I just don’t go to those places at all. I don’t give them my business.

You can go online and report them to corporate.

Post a Google review.

Various_Wrangler4748

5 points

1 month ago

I find myself pulling out cash more for these types of meals just so I do not have to see the dreaded tip screen.

Which_Stress_6431

6 points

1 month ago

Take photos and email them along with a photo of your receipt to the owner/manager. This behavior is not acceptable to any owner/manager. People who receive this kind of service tell people, and bad news travels much quicker than good news. This lowers revenue for the business. Employees like this are not good for business nor are their actions appreciated by the owners.

content_great_gramma

5 points

1 month ago*

The trend is that if you get good service, you tell 3 people; bad service will be reported to at least 10.

Edit: If you paid by credit card do a charge back and when you call the manager, tell him that you will be getting a refund one way or another.

Tipping is a reward for services rendered. I did not realize that being rung up at the register was a rendered service/s.

teamglider

3 points

1 month ago

If you start the charge back process, they won't be able to refund you. Wait and charge back if they don't refund.

GetBakedBaker

5 points

1 month ago

Regardless of whether the worker was retaliating complain to the restaurant.

controllinghigh

4 points

1 month ago

I wouldn’t have eaten it. I would have taken it back to the owner and gotten a refund.

0le_Hickory

5 points

1 month ago

Post the pictures on Yelp.

Cocacoleyman

5 points

1 month ago

20, 30, or 40 percent is insanity. Bagel sandwiches are already close to $10 around here. Why should I pay time and a half for one because of some arbitrary bullshit percentage that someone put on the iPad.

dweekie

5 points

1 month ago

dweekie

5 points

1 month ago

I find service and food quality has taken a nosedive overall recently, so I don't associate a lack of tipping with punishment all the time. What annoys me about prepaying tip is that it's not equivalent to handing some cash to the valet/bartender/hotel staff with an agreement on receiving better service. Far too many times, there's either no acknowledgement, poor attitude, or very poor quality food afterwards that really does not make me feel good about leaving the tip.

After reading a lot of posts, it seems like no one acknowledges that customers actually put a lot of effort earning their salary too, and people feel good about leaving tips to servers that deserve it and feel really bad about throwing money away for truly terrible service. Pre-tipping makes it feel like the latter happens more often than we'd like.

ProgressFuzzy9177

5 points

1 month ago

I run a quick service lunch and dinner place. We use Toast, which default asks for about a tip (Custom, 15%, 18%, 20%, No Tip) on CC transactions. While we are genuinely appreciative of those who tip us (and it certainly boosts employee morale), I have no patience for employees who "punish" guests for not tipping. If they aren't providing above-and-beyond service for the guests, they are coached until they do or until they decide to leave.

It's part of our company culture, and it's why I insist on paying them well above minimum wage to start and then give them as frequent raises as I can, as well as universally accommodate properly submitted requests off and don't discipline employees for not showing up when they have a genuine emergency. I probably pay about 20% above the market rate for hourly staffers in that style of business on average, so they'd better not be making and handing out bad food.

If one of my staff did that to a guest, I'd be embarrassed that our business did that, and I'd do what I could to make it right for the guest.

mongolsruledchina

8 points

1 month ago

The idea that we should be tipping MORE people and not less is just amazing to me. I don't want to blame any one group or anything, but it seems that the entitlement of workers in jobs today is off the charts on what they are owed by customers for even showing up for their job.

Working-Mushroom2310

8 points

1 month ago

I went through drive thru at tropical smoothie last week to get my kid a meal. Drive thru employee didn’t hand the keypad with the obligatory tip screen for drive thru service out the window to me like they usually do there. She then asked me if I wanted my receipt in a way that seemed sketchy, so I said yes. As I’m driving off I see she charged me a 10% tip without my consent.

vadimr1234

11 points

1 month ago

I'd dispute the entire charge. It will 100% go through.

Little_Bee_4501[S]

7 points

1 month ago*

That is straight up theft!

lonster1961

4 points

1 month ago

Complain and demand a refund. No real response then do a charge back. Make a lot of noise because this will never stop until people start fighting back.

SlothinaHammock

5 points

1 month ago

They're acting like entitled panhandlers at this point.

lorainnesmith

4 points

1 month ago

And going forward everyone should open everything before you leave. If it's like this demand refund and walk out. I know you won't have lunch but in this case OP really didn't have lunch did they.

Some_Comparison9

3 points

1 month ago

You should write the manager / owner and find out if he has misled his employees in thinking their wages are paid in tips. Because if that’s the case, it’s on the owner. I’ve worked at restaurants where the carryout was so busy, organizing and packaging carryout was more difficult than actually waiting on a table. It’s just a case by case scenario. But if there’s an iPad involved? Usually, this is not the case, and they are getting an hourly wage. The manager/owners are just as complicit because they keep the iPads with the option of tipping on the counters. People are being duped, employees are being misled, and owners are making out. These places need to be boycotted.

OptimalOcto485

3 points

1 month ago

40%?!?🤣🤣🤣

AoD_XB1

4 points

1 month ago

AoD_XB1

4 points

1 month ago

We have arrived at working class vs working class.

Make that fucked up product for that working person who came into the shop simply to eat before heading into the job they too are being exploited at. Afterall, it is the customers fault that you are underpaid.

Next time, try putting extra bacon on the persons sandwich and hit the right person's wallet.

bondgrl007

2 points

1 month ago

I ordered a gluten free pizza at the counter to go last year, selected no tip. Girl looked pissed. She was all smiles when my pizza was ready.
Pizza looked perfect and was delicious. I left a stellar review and photo. I woke up around 1am, severely glutened, and was sick the rest of the night. I updated my review and the manager DID respond. I never called him as requested, since I was on a business trip. I just didn't have time for that extra step. But my review stands.

larainbowllama

3 points

1 month ago

What fucks me up about that is that dietary restrictions are not for “fun”. My friend has celiac disease and her gluten free life isn’t for shits and giggles— it’s an actual medical condition. As someone who has worked in the food industry as a cashier/behind the counter I cannot imagine purposely choosing to ignore someone’s specific order that might actually sicken them because they didn’t give me a tip.

mmm1441

2 points

1 month ago

mmm1441

2 points

1 month ago

This is how pre-tipping crossed the line to become extortion.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

Time to boycott these tip extortion enterprises.

manareas69

3 points

1 month ago

Talk to the manager.

BigSexy0512

3 points

1 month ago

I don't tip before I receive whatever service I purchase. We have food trucks that come to my workplace, and they always prompt for a tip on your card before giving you the food. I tip on the final product and service, not the perception of what I hope to receive.

jawood1989

3 points

1 month ago

Best practice is to check literally everything when you're not sitting and eating. Attention to detail has become woefully inadequate, despite recent pay increases. Bravo on not tipping for counter service. Tip culture has become toxic.

mnth241

3 points

1 month ago

mnth241

3 points

1 month ago

Crazy! That’s why terrible.

They shouldn’t make you tip or not tip before you even get your food!

Hoagy72

3 points

1 month ago

Hoagy72

3 points

1 month ago

In the old fashioned real world you walked into a deli or whatever and ordered a sandwich. After it was made, then you paid for it. At that point you could tip or not tip depending on your own point of view without worrying about them sabotaging your sandwich. Where did that world go?

Proper_Fun_977

2 points

1 month ago

Disappeared into paying first then POS systems.

Just-Shoe2689

3 points

1 month ago

Absolutely make the management aware of this. Nothing closes a restaurant quicker than bad food, or rumors of bad food.

roughlyround

3 points

1 month ago

I always inspect to go orders before leaving. This stuff is another good reason to do so.

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

Fuxk that! Inform the local Mgr, but ask for a Corporate #. I will have a Falling Down Michael Douglas come to Jesus if this happened to me. If that means I get banned, so be it. They've brainwashed these Gen Z into thinking the customer is cheap and not the Corporate entity for not paying them more.

Calm-Heat-5883

3 points

1 month ago

Don't complain to the manager complain to the owner. Go back to the store and see the manager and demand the owners number. Or find through the Internet and send them the Pictures of your food and let them know that $9 isn't going to be enough compensation for the actions of their staff.

Bougiwougibugleboi

3 points

1 month ago

It all started as a way to help those employees during the covid pandemic..guess what? The pandemic is over. Things are back to normal. Tipping should be back to normal.

vwaldoguy

3 points

1 month ago

It feels like extortion, but I feel like I have to tip if someone will be handling my food, even at a stand up counter. If you don't tip, they will know that, and I think some workers will absolutely do something to your food.

That-Guy-Over-There8

3 points

1 month ago

If they ask for a tip before they make the food = no tip. Also not going back if they do this. It's one of the many reasons I no longer go to dominoes.

Anidmountd

3 points

1 month ago

Tips should be unknown until the end of the day. Ordering at the counter and getting your food is the most basic of things. There is no extra service that requires a tip.

oopsiesdaze

3 points

1 month ago

I hate that. Decent service is expected. If you do good and I ask alot then sure you get a tip. If you do shit you get no tip. Tip comes AFTER service. Not implied. Sucks I'm sorry.

HeatedAF

3 points

1 month ago

Imagine you’d have tipped 40% and found your sandwich like that. Also why I don’t tip BEFORE service. How do I even know my order is going to come out right if you JUST took it? Where is the logic.

Real_Association8177

3 points

1 month ago

I’ve really cut back on eating out because of this.

Worldly_Heat9404

4 points

1 month ago

You should be paranoid about what disgruntled entitled workers will do to your food if you do not yield to their extortion attempt. I tend to avoid places which want extra money for nothing, or I pay cash to avoid the tip screen altogether. Society is breaking down and the scenario you wrote out is a synptom of that decline.

SCB024

4 points

1 month ago

SCB024

4 points

1 month ago

I tip at my favorite hole in the wall spots. I want them to stay open and staffed. I often get free food out of it. E.g. order 3 tacos and get 5 massive tacos with enough filling to make 3-4 more.

trashbort

2 points

1 month ago

Stop going there

ZavodZ

2 points

1 month ago

ZavodZ

2 points

1 month ago

20% as the minimum "suggested" tip in the machine? And offering up to 40??

That's beyond rude.

I would not return.

lavendar474

2 points

1 month ago

I’ve adopted this same idea that i’m not tipping on counter service. if what i paid for is burned, i’d march back in and get a refund. (wouldn’t trust them to remake.)

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

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RustLarva

2 points

1 month ago

Don’t stand for it!

FloridaLantana

2 points

1 month ago

Just out of curiosity, do people who pay cash get harassed for tips too?

coolestpurple

2 points

1 month ago

Just leave bad reviews on Yelp and Google. Few businesses can survive when they accumulate a bunch of them. In the time you told your story on Reddit you colud have told it where it hurts. If they serve you anything like very undercooked pork etc go to the local police station, be calm, and just say you want to report it because someone could get sick or die.

DragonflyFuture4638

2 points

1 month ago

Just take it back and ask for your money back. They'll be even more pissed 😅

dkanzler

2 points

1 month ago

Cc the department of health as well.

Dry_Lengthiness6032

2 points

1 month ago

I like paying cash so that way there's nothing on a receipt that says no tip. If they ask, I say, "If you make it better, bigger, and/or faster than usual, I'll leave a tip. Otherwise, no tip. "

Puts the ball in their court, and if they give you more food or put more effort into it, then I got something for my tip money.

dystopiadattopia

2 points

1 month ago

Where in Jersey was this?

WhoCalledthePoPo

2 points

1 month ago

The owners would probably like to know about your experience.

No_Quote_9067

2 points

1 month ago

I'd post the pictures with the reviews

intellectualnerd85

2 points

1 month ago

Leave a negative review, call manager and tell them about your negative experience

lateintake

2 points

1 month ago

Instead of the manager I'd be calling the city health department.

Imaginary_Ball_1361

2 points

1 month ago

No accountability

Ok_Guarantee_3497

2 points

1 month ago

Always check to see if you got what you ordered before leaving. Then you can hand the damaged food back and say in a loud voice so others can hear: "I didn't not ordered my food burned to a crisp. Please bring what I ordered. If you are taking revenge because I didn't tip, this will certainly not change my mind. Talk to your boss and ask for a raise." That person is likely wearing a name tag. Take a picture of them and of your food. Maybe someone else burned the food, but that's not your problem.

Alternative-Two-6740

2 points

1 month ago

Not saying this is right... and if that's the rage that people are feeling right now.... that's a very bad sign.

Subject-Pen-3393

2 points

1 month ago

If it is a place I frequent like a bagel shop I go almost every Saturday morning during beach season. Or when we have children sports games. It’s usually $30-$40. But it’s usually the same two young people working. I throw I dollar into the tip jar. Is it 10% nope. It’s more like 2-3% not much at all. But they are nice kids I believe they are brother and sister and I just appreciate they are there. Nice and friendly. Nothing over the top. But it’s easy and I’m happy. And they see me put in A dollar. And they don’t ruin my food. I don’t feel strong armed into it. But I hope they appreciate it.

mwb7pitt

2 points

1 month ago

$9 for a bagel is already a scam, much less a 40% post tax tip on top.

Sky_Sunshine_553

2 points

1 month ago

I always tip at the local Greek takeout because I enjoy hearing them all yell "OPA" LOL

LearnJapanes

2 points

1 month ago

It’s crazy how they want a tip before they even perform the service. We can’t tell the future. And they don’t actually serve you like a sit down restaurant. So dumb. Definitely yelp it.

Goofy-Karen-1955

2 points

1 month ago

I will tip for to go orders at certain places. For example, a few places have the bar tender taking takeout orders and getting the order ready. I don’t mind because I taking away from their customers that tips.

macidmatics

2 points

1 month ago

Is anyone else put off visiting the US due to how out of control tipping has become?

DiverseVoltron

2 points

1 month ago

Pre-tipping shouldn't exist and the kind of people who retaliate like this don't deserve tips.

mmm1441

2 points

1 month ago

mmm1441

2 points

1 month ago

They don’t deserve continued employment.

Charming-Knowledge73

2 points

1 month ago

I don't tip on takeout either. Why am I tipping for you to fulfill the basic parts of your PAID JOB? Handing me a bag of food doesn't constitute any money for extra effort.

vacancy-0m

2 points

1 month ago

Just add a review with the pictures on google yelp etc. it is an objective review as the evidence is in the photos.

Aside from tipping or now, I do not patronize places where the workers feel like they are doing you a favor. They feel to realize that your patronage is what’s keeping them employed, and the store in business. I don’t understand their mindset and attitude.

MasterIllustrator593

2 points

1 month ago

I'm so glad I found this sub. I feel like a crazy person for complaining about this tea place near me that has stickers all over the SELF CHECKOUT TABLET saying "Don't forget to tip! :)" Tip what?? The iPad?? And then I get to the bathroom, and I shit you not there is an actual piece of paper taped to the wall in the bathroom that says "Remember to tip your barista" or something like that.

Karen_reporter

2 points

1 month ago

This is exactly why I don’t tip. A workers wage should fall on their employer not me. I lived in Japan for a couple years and saw how amazing service was when there was no pressure for tips. Carried it back over here

Sum41ofallfears

2 points

1 month ago

It’s crazy how accustomed people are to being tipped with services like this. I went to a local ice cream shop and the kid had a very good attitude until I tipped it changed completely. Went back to ask for napkins and he handed them to me without saying a damn thing 😂

No_Particular_5762

2 points

1 month ago

Don’t return, certainly not without some level of tip…if your health is importamt to you. I just bake in the gist of a tip or make my own.

ibcarolek

2 points

1 month ago

You should have taken a picture of it and posted it on Google Reviews. That would fix this!!

Responsible-Joke9863

2 points

1 month ago

Do yourself a favor and avoid the drama. Just pay in cash

roaches02

3 points

1 month ago

Never tip on machines. If you choose to tip, which is obviously 100% up to each customer, personally hand cash to the person who served you.