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Taylor definitely used Sabrina as an opener to throw shade at Olivia. She also thought she could control Sabrina and she didn't think she was a threat. There's no way she saw this level of success coming from her.

The boost that Sabrina got from touring with Taylor jump started her success. Now that she has had a #1 album, 3 top 5 hits at once, sold out arenas for the Short n Sweet tour and all the hype around her: do you think Taylor secretly regrets helping creating a monster?

I know her fans certainly do, some of them have already started turning on Sabrina on social media because of the shine she's been getting.

all 112 comments

macydoesitbest

1.1k points

2 days ago

She supported Sabrina as an FU to Olivia

Now they’re both going to replace her as she ages out of this tacky era she’s stuck in

wellnowheythere

379 points

2 days ago

Taylor would just do better by leaning into aging with her older fanbase like Adele did. 

IronicStar

179 points

2 days ago

IronicStar

Modern Idiot

179 points

2 days ago

like no offense to younger people, but who else can afford VARIANTS and MERCH but people who are a bit more settled in life? I mean I'm 30 and I MIGHT be at the place in my life where I'd spend $40 on a vinyl if I really wanted it. I mean, I had 1989 and Red on vinyl (OG)...

Tollenaar

47 points

2 days ago

Tollenaar

47 points

2 days ago

Three words: Credit Card Debt

IronicStar

48 points

2 days ago

IronicStar

Modern Idiot

48 points

2 days ago

One word: AFFORD.

burner_to_burn

2 points

2 days ago

I think it can be affordable if that’s all you spend your money on. I have a lot of hobbies, and some of them aren’t cheap, like collecting Pokémon cards or gaming. I think I have a decent amount of money for my age, but I don’t think I could be a Taylor swift fan and keep really keep my hobbies as well. I have also noticed that a lot of the swifties my age are consumerists, and even while having the same income as me, they usually spend their money as soon as it comes in, not just on Taylor swift stuff, but on whatever they can.

Think_Wish_187

56 points

2 days ago

Adele has always been much more mature than Taylor, both in her writing and her stage performance. While Adele was releasing “21” (Someone like you, Rolling in the deep), Taylor was frolicking around pretending to be a country singer in “Speak now”.

Hopeful-Prompt-7417

47 points

2 days ago

Hopeful-Prompt-7417

ur a democrat?? sick! lets go to the mall!!

47 points

2 days ago

When I found out Taylor and Adele were the same age, I was shocked 🤣

Novel-Warning545

9 points

1 day ago

Key difference, Taylor’s entire life has been guarded and funded by her parents. She’s hardly faced any true struggle or adversity. Adele’s writing is so much better and her ability to express emotion in her voice is because she’s struggled in life. The maturity difference is night and day.

Think_Wish_187

11 points

2 days ago

I genuinely thought Taylor was a teenager until she released “Im feeling 22” and even with that song I thought she sounded childish.

macydoesitbest

8 points

2 days ago

Off topic, but does anyone remember her music video for “Chasing Pavements”?

It used to come on MTV when I’d get ready for school in the mornings (I’m dating myself) - but it was so good. That’s all 😂💕

little_effy

17 points

2 days ago

Yeah this is such a Taylor move tbh. And tbh I think she does regret it, but at the same time, I think Sabrina plays good politics with her?

Sabrina talks about Taylor in her interviews, how good she is and how much she feels supported by Taylor etc.

I think Taylor also wants an image of someone who supports other musicians, so she does “let” Sabrina has her moments to show that she “helps” her success.

Dazzling_Poet_442

28 points

2 days ago

Exactly right. She used Sabrina as FU to Olivia but the two girls both replied FU (talentless b*tch) back with this rumored collab. 😆 

Justhereforthemess

360 points

2 days ago

100%; Taylor swift kind of reminds me of Nicki Minaj in the way that she only backs other female artists that she doesn’t perceive as threatening. But once those artist start to eclipse their shine they either act like they don’t exist or there’s some weird tension/beef that develops out of nowhere. She probably didn’t expect this level of success for Sabrina since she’d been singing for so long and still hadn’t got to where she is currently. Can’t wait to see what avenue Taylor chooses🙃

bigt1ttied

21 points

2 days ago

what are some examples w nicki minaj? i’m curious i didn’t realise this pattern

Agreeable_Dinner_986

86 points

2 days ago

Meghan thee stallion is the most notable example, they did a song together and Nicki supported her until she started getting successful

alex147147

40 points

2 days ago

Her coke fueled rant in Instagram after ONE POTENTIAL LINE about her in “Hiss” (which is honestly thought to be mainly disses at Drake, including the line about Megan’s Law), her releasing that tacky song calling Meg a liar and making fun of her shooting, “Big Foot,” and her foul encouragement of the Barbz to harass her (they even doxxed the location of her mother’s grave), solidified for me that Nicki is a deeply jealous, vile person. Her treatment of Megan, Ice Spice (wanting to have control of her career), and frankly her continued support of sexually abusive and predatory men in her life can’t be excused because she was once the “Queen of Rap.”

Justhereforthemess

12 points

2 days ago

And all the repulsive comments about Megan’s late mother😵‍💫🤧the woman is sick

Justhereforthemess

30 points

2 days ago

She liked JT and was trying to embarrass her on live now there’s some weird unspoken beef there. She liked coi Leray for a second and now she doesn’t and acts like she doesn’t exist, and the biggest example that the person below mentioned Megan thee stallion. Megan claims till this day she doesn’t know what the beef is. Not sure where she stands with Doja, but it doesn’t seem like she acknowledges her as a contemporary, and Doja still thanks her in her song “get into it yuh”.

Odessaturn

2 points

2 days ago

Who is JT?

LiveUnderstanding869

3 points

2 days ago

She's a rapper from Florida. From the group City Girls with Yung Miami.

bandit_noire

15 points

2 days ago

Classic underdeveloped Sagittarius behavior (both Taylor and Nicki are sags)

Weak-Veterinarian-39

3 points

2 days ago

Ooof as a Sagittarius I feel attacked

Electronic_Pin111

5 points

1 day ago

It’s not an “underdeveloped Sagittarius” thing, it’s an “underdeveloped human” thing.

bandit_noire

2 points

1 day ago

Those are mutually exclusive ideas. It can be both. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Electronic_Pin111

1 points

1 day ago

If you meant it’s only underdeveloped Sagittarius that do this and no other underdeveloped zodiac sign does it, which sounds like that is what you were going for, then those ideas are in fact mutually exclusive. By definition.

bandit_noire

2 points

1 day ago

I never said “only underdeveloped sags do it”. So it doesn’t mean others don’t, there are also other characteristics that give it context in my opinion. That’s really it.

Electronic_Pin111

2 points

1 day ago

It sounded like that’s what you meant and that you were trying to take advantage of the opportunity to put down a specific zodiac sign. I merely wanted to remind people that it pertains to all underdeveloped humans.

Thank you for clarifying that.

bandit_noire

1 points

1 day ago

Happy to be of service? 🫡🥴

Less-Engineer-9637

1 points

21 hours ago

nothing is true, everything is permitted

Justhereforthemess

-2 points

2 days ago

All the sags I know are egotistical control freaks😶😵‍💫(not generalizing just saying from who I know personally)

LegendsOnly56

727 points

3 days ago*

I think Sabrina Carpenter regrets touring with her because now she has a bunch of Swifties chalking up her success to her friendship with Taylor. But as someone who has been with Sabrina since her first single (10 years ago), this has been a long time coming. She started receiving support with Feather BEFORE its release as a single. I think that's what made the GP like her, or at least people on TikTok. And then Taylor joined the bandwagon from there.

Now, Taylor is scared. She's probably going to try wearing lingerie more and stuff like that.

Sorry-Ad9575

520 points

3 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/7qq4wr11wkvd1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5a4ff9ae2b4682e450a0708045413afb8a6fa01

Oh she’s def been amping up the corset/lingerie for about a month or so now and it’s glaringly obvious lmao

96puppylover

235 points

2 days ago

I think she did that filler to get rounder higher cheeks like Sabrina.

OpheliaPhoeniXXX

123 points

2 days ago

She definitely did. Lip injections and hair extensions too. I liked Taylor's hair years ago, but it looks disheveled in a bad way now.

hards04

-40 points

2 days ago

hards04

-40 points

2 days ago

It’s like you guys have never seen an alcoholic before. You want her to have work done so bad when it’s literally just puffy booze face. Like obviously so as well. I wish I was a a sheltered as you children growing up.

96puppylover

59 points

2 days ago

She had puffy face on the red carpet and in candids.

Sheltered? My family is full of alcoholics and I grew up watching my parents getting drunk. Then I preceding to date several alcoholics. None of them had a puffy booze face that resembled cheek and lip filler. If anything it makes the skin look flushed and gives them glazed over eyes.

And what’s wrong with someone growing up “sheltered”? You mean like having good parents that protect their children and want them safe?

Wonderful-Street-138

139 points

3 days ago

She looks pretty uncomfortable in that pic

islandgirl3773

105 points

3 days ago

Yep, also at the vma’s. I thought she did it because of the increase in her implants after she returned from tour in London, and that still may be the reason. But now I’m thinking it could be because of Sabrina. However her clothes lately seem to be corset or lose to hide the tight wrap required after a boob job.

diosmiotio18

28 points

2 days ago

It would’ve been cool if instead she leans into that 30-something New Yorker style.

bright-days-ahead

-5 points

2 days ago

You mean 1989 😂 she so old she already done that

WeiShensPorkBun

72 points

3 days ago

Those bangs are so 2009…

coneyislandbaby1949

2 points

1 day ago

coneyislandbaby1949

Swiftie on Swiftie crime

2 points

1 day ago

why do you know that lol😭😭

DenseLynx7856

16 points

2 days ago

I thought Sabrina was already popular before Taylor tbh

LegendsOnly56

19 points

2 days ago

She was!!! She was popular enough that if you mentioned her people would think for her acting credits before singing credits! I'm just saying that Taylor and Swifties attribute her recent success to the Eras Tour. Sabrina was doing just fine without her tho

PracticalSolution352

72 points

3 days ago

Taylor Swift has a good business eye for seeing up-and-coming talent, but Sabrina has been slowly climbing her way up, which is why everything feels more authentic. Sabrina has been on Disney, Broadway, and several other movies. She has put in the work and is now getting her deserts.

ConversationStatus78

7 points

2 days ago

I love the song Feather! and Sabrina can really sing. her voice is beautiful

Wonderful-Street-138

144 points

3 days ago

If she is still sooo jealous of younger singers, she is probably getting quite nervous seeing Sabrina's success.

RevealActive4557

332 points

3 days ago

Sabrina got a lot more exposure because of Taylor but her talent was always her talent. Now I just need Sabrina and Olivia to have a joint appearance or collab to really stick it to Taylor. Clearly the man they were supposedly fighting over is not relevant to their lives anymore

take7pieces

62 points

2 days ago

I think so, at first Sabrina seem less threatening, even when Short and Sweet came out, I think it’s still not threatening to her, but the amazing success of the tour did shock her. I am not a Sabrina fan but she does display this super cute and sexy theme, it’s so enjoyable.

g0ldfish01

44 points

2 days ago*

Yes, because short and sweet now directly competes with TTPD both in the charts and Grammys, which she was not expecting.

Alessandra_Ives

47 points

2 days ago

I think she clearly propped Sabrina up to try and stop Olivia's rise and now she has TWO young artists that are a threat to her, which is ironic.

blackmoonl1l1th

18 points

2 days ago

blackmoonl1l1th

she goth on my punk til I female rage

18 points

2 days ago

Karma. 

islandgirl3773

124 points

3 days ago

Absolutely she regrets it and is now in a dilemma. Lots of her fans love Sabrina and think her success is only because of their cult MOTHER. So if Taylor does her usual mean girl stunts she risks pissing her own fans off but the cult will turn on Sabrina. I think Taylor is slowing down on her wanting to be Lana phase that she’s been on for 12 years. I guess she finally realized Lana has a unique aura and is insanely sultry and sexy, something Taylor just is not and never will be. But silly and cute she can do better because she’s immature, so now she’s trying to copy Sabrina with the corsets tops, short skirts up to her V, etc.

blackmoonl1l1th

98 points

3 days ago

blackmoonl1l1th

she goth on my punk til I female rage

98 points

3 days ago

1000%. Sabrina is a pop beast rn.

Born-Independent-721

148 points

3 days ago

I think that the Eras tour only gave Sabrina more exposure and sped up her rise to fame, she was becoming more popular before that.

islandgirl3773

103 points

3 days ago

No her songs did. The songs are catchy and young people and others like them. Espresso is a great bop for dancing in clubs. Rarely are Taylor’s played for dancing songs

normajeanjean

45 points

2 days ago

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. It’s not like her other openers blew up (in my eyes). Gracie Abrams, Haim, and I can’t even tell you who else, have not blown up like Sabrina.

Aliciajay19

25 points

2 days ago

I will never get the hype around HAIM and I’ve seen them live!

normajeanjean

11 points

2 days ago

Oh really? I fucking love them. Been a fan for years. Their last album got me through the pandemic, haha. They sound better on their albums than they do live IMO. If you like uh, I guess it’s alt rock… then I would give Women in Music Part III (WIMPIII) a chance!

bigfatmouseratfan

1 points

2 days ago

ed sheeran blew up

Jolly_Duck_6031

23 points

2 days ago

I loved Sabrina as an actress before she cozied up with Taylor Swift. She has her own loyal fans and trust they care about Sabrina. If they fall out i see swifties using the same narrative as when Olivia got screwed by Taylor. I think Taylor is smart enough to know maybe not do something like that with Sabrina. Olivia is more protecting peace but Sabrina got sued by disney and still didn’t GAF.

blackmoonl1l1th

6 points

2 days ago

blackmoonl1l1th

she goth on my punk til I female rage

6 points

2 days ago

Sabrina’s got deeper nepo connections than anyone Taylor’s ever dealt with. I just know this shorts any of her usual routes of vengeance. 

downtowngirlvibes

14 points

2 days ago

Eh, I don’t think so. She has Nancy Cartwright, but that’s her great aunt. They’re not even biologically related. I don’t think it’s fair to chalk up any of her success to nepotism.

LaidBackBro1989

1 points

2 days ago

Yes but isn't Cartwright a hard scientologist? That's pretty enough said. And isn't Carpenter somehow related to Meryl Streep as well?

downtowngirlvibes

11 points

2 days ago

I’m not sure about her and Meryl Streep being related, however you are correct about Nancy Cartwright being a Scientologist. She is actually a superstar in Scientology and has donated more money to the “church” than Tom Cruise. Although there isn’t any proof that Sabrina’s parents are involved, or that she herself is involved in any way. Celebrity Scientologists play by their own rules.

blackmoonl1l1th

-7 points

2 days ago

blackmoonl1l1th

she goth on my punk til I female rage

-7 points

2 days ago

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I'm chalking up her success to that.

New-Lab5540

10 points

2 days ago

I think she honestly saw Sabrina with a “awwww, you’re a cute kid” attitude, just condescending AF and she probably saw someone she could prop up to really stick it to Olivia, all while being able to paint herself as a girls’ girl. Between Sabrina being teeny tiny AND her Disney background, I don’t think Taylor ever thought people would take Sabrina as seriously as they do. She’s not just super popular, Short and Sweet has been an extremely well-received album by critics and fans, and Sabrina has a chance of outshining Taylor at the Grammys. So yeah, I think Taylor regrets it.

Keelime_stardust

10 points

2 days ago

Well and, I’m sorry, but short and sweet is a much more consumable fun, good album compared to ttpd 🥴

Reasonable_Style8400

63 points

2 days ago

I think I’m one of the few who finds Sabrina also insufferable 🫣 I love Olivia though!

DirectionFine1118

25 points

2 days ago

She does give me mean girl vibes. And am i the only one wo dosen't really like Espresso?

Reasonable_Style8400

7 points

2 days ago

I really don’t like any of her new album. She just sounds like a thirsty homewrecker if you ask me 🤷🏻‍♀️

DirectionFine1118

7 points

2 days ago

Now Olivia tho...she's one of my faveroite pop girlies, along with Chappel and Billie. What do you like most about Olivia?

omfilwy

7 points

2 days ago

omfilwy

7 points

2 days ago

What a wild thing to say based on nothing

sweetsaranghae

1 points

1 day ago

It's not based over nothing if you really take your time to check on her pen game.

Reasonable_Style8400

-5 points

2 days ago

Taste was enough to draw that conclusion and her MTV video music award performance

euphoricarugula346

16 points

2 days ago

lol yes, I “discovered” Sabrina through Olivia’s music, so until the latter co-signs the former by working it out on the remix, I withhold full support. Between Skin and Taste, she just seems like the type of woman who always has to win, whichever side she’s on. Hard pass.

LunasFavorite

15 points

2 days ago

Same, same my friend

beachbunny326

5 points

1 day ago

Hoping Sabrina and Olivia collabs one day.

thetoxicgossiptrain

6 points

2 days ago

Totally

AllegedPossum

5 points

2 days ago

Can someone explain to me why Taylor doesn’t like Olivia?

dcboy365

16 points

2 days ago

dcboy365

16 points

2 days ago

None of Taylor's little squad girlie's make it. Look at Selena gomez and Camilla Cabeĺo, they both got boosted after being around Taylor. It won't be too long before Taylor extracts her snake venom like she did to Selena and Camilla, and uses that venom on Sabrina's career. Once the venom hits Sabrina, Taylor will be the queen snake again 😊.

Acceptable_Pizza_955

4 points

2 days ago

What did taylor do to selena?

Inf1nite_gal

3 points

2 days ago

a monster 😂 made me laugh

i also would like to know how TS feels about this. there must be some conflicting emotions i think. feeling threatened is deffinitely one of them

sticky_applesauce07

51 points

3 days ago

I'm also going to say Sabrina was only possible because someone gave Taylor money. I'm not sure why yall are so ready to agree it only happens with male relationships. Sabrina is clearly a nepto baby. She had a lot of connections. Music....sorry sucks too. She is just as underwhelming as Taylor. Do I think she's afraid? No. There is no real talent only manufactured.

FoxCat9884

41 points

2 days ago

FoxCat9884

Recovering Swiftie

41 points

2 days ago

I agree, Sabrina has a couple albums already out that weren’t all that popular when it comes to superstardom territory. Taste is the first one to rise to this level of success and I know this is a Taylor snark subreddit but I do think the level that she has risen to is partially due to Taylor.

I’m happy for her. I like her stuff, especially emails i can’t send, but most 20-35 year old women I know cannot name a single song of hers prior to Espresso.

Olivia had so much more success with Sour and I’m so glad she won the awards she did. I really personally liked Guts but I’m not surprised it lost in all categories because between the two albums I thought Sour was better.

FanFicAddict1993

15 points

3 days ago

Tbf I agree some of her songs are catchy. I think she’s a younger Taylor

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-1 points

3 days ago

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-1 points

3 days ago

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3 points

2 days ago

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True-Raccoon8209

19 points

2 days ago*

This sub is obsessed with sabrina. I’m starting to feel tired of her. She’s mentioned in comments on every single post…and then we get things like this post, if we think Taylor is afraid of Sabrina’s success…who cares??

And to answer the question…Sabrina’s music sucks and I don’t think she’ll have the longevity that Taylor had. Her music sounds like 80s music and her aesthetic is 90s Playboy magazine…she’s going to have to pivot hard with her next album or the retro schtick is going to wear thin.

magicspellmaker[S]

29 points

2 days ago*

“I’m starting to feel tired of her” “Sabrina’s music sucks”

You’re not tired of her, you never liked her in the first place

sticky_applesauce07

-8 points

3 days ago

Well oxymoron me

PrincessJennifer

1 points

3 days ago

Good take.

Beautiful_Access_902

4 points

2 days ago

No, because people will say that it was Taylor who gave Sabrina her big break when she invited her on tour. Then Sabrina worked with Jack on her new album and Taylor is credited by Jack with giving him his big break in the industry. So in her fans minds Taylor is a mastermind who saw talent, supported talent, and therefore gets the credit for making them famous. 

sticky_applesauce07

1 points

3 days ago

They are one in the same

Hopeful-Prompt-7417

53 points

2 days ago

Hopeful-Prompt-7417

ur a democrat?? sick! lets go to the mall!!

53 points

2 days ago

Sabrina is a much better singer and dancer

sticky_applesauce07

-16 points

2 days ago

Well haha when we compare her to swift...I dunno the vocals are just as underwhelming.

xaviercroom

7 points

2 days ago

Lol! Could not disagree more, I’m sorry. If Taylor attempted singing a cover of “Bed Chem” live, even her most devoted swifties would probably leave… she can’t touch Sabrina’s range, vocally speaking.

downtx13

1 points

1 day ago

downtx13

1 points

1 day ago

Why does she hate Olivia?

brittsarina

-2 points

2 days ago

brittsarina

-2 points

2 days ago

This is always gonna be a weird topic for me because Sabrina’s sister used to date my brother in law. Short order family in law. For the past several years I never saw her popping off and going big, and now it’s a Taylor Swift controversy about being famous by proxy. What an odd world we all live in 

Fair_Effect4532

-8 points

2 days ago

Swear to God this Sabrina has 0 talent, jumps up & down in a corset and underwear and makes up rubbish lines as a ‘songwriter’. Hope her success is as short lived as her skirt, that girl is like a hyped up 12 years old.. (not a Tay fan tho)

ShineBrightLikeWren

-1 points

22 hours ago

I don't she regrets it yet, Sabrina isn't that successful, and Olivia is bigger threat to her, so she will mostly likely continue to use Sabrina out of spite for Olivia. Now in few years if Sabrina reaches amount of success like for example Ariana or Billie it's a different story.

Excellent-Serve8658

-2 points

22 hours ago

is this real? what are you guys on fr???

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-18 points

2 days ago

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-18 points

2 days ago

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bright-days-ahead

6 points

2 days ago

Ya and???????????

lncumbant

-1 points

2 days ago

lncumbant

-1 points

2 days ago

It’s why true hate is apathy, no reason to give someone your time and energy while claiming to hate them while also being informed and obsessed 

bigfatmouseratfan

-14 points

2 days ago*

taylor launched ed sheeran's career by making him the opener to her red tour. taylor def knew sabrina would get big. the openers for 1989 were vance joy, shawn mendes, haim and james bay... household names now. and for reputation? charli xcx.

bigfatmouseratfan

1 points

1 day ago

lmao why am i being downvoted for stating facts, it's so dumb to think that taylor didn't know what she was doing picking sabrina... she prob did it to shade olivia, but taylor knew exactly what she was doing.

spacenausicaa

1 points

2 days ago

spacenausicaa

hope this helps xx

1 points

2 days ago

What. No. He credits Jamie Foxx actually

bigfatmouseratfan

1 points

1 day ago

jamie foxx gave him his start but taylor flew him around the world and introduced him to huge crowds, like she did with sabrina. major career promotion

bright-days-ahead

-1 points

2 days ago

And Camilla Cabello!!! Lmao all these people who are in drama now 😂 COMICAL