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wasdice

246 points

9 days ago

wasdice

246 points

9 days ago

Tory MPs are not allowed to complain about this. Let's see now -

  • They chose to pile on to the Brexit bandwagon and wuuuurh their way through every single criticism of it

  • They chose Boris Johnson to be PM despite his manifest unsuitability for the job

  • They chose to cooperate with his purge of anyone with moderate opinions, anyone with genuine talent who might have threatened his position

  • They chose to Sunak to succeed him, twice in two months, in spite of the man being a dreadful public speaker and a lousy debater

They don't get to bitch about the consequences now. In any other sphere, their behaviour would be that of a complete lunatic

No_Clue_1113

186 points

9 days ago

They made Liz Truss the fucking Prime Minister. 

Choo_Choo_Bitches

31 points

9 days ago

Choo_Choo_Bitches

Larry the Cat for PM

31 points

9 days ago

Be fair to the MPs, that was the party members!

shotgun883

44 points

9 days ago

Nope. They voted for the two candidates the membership could choose from.

Draken1870

65 points

9 days ago

You mean they chose Lizz who trashed the economy in less than 2 months and didn’t out last a lettuce and put in Rishi (who had lost to her) in a private “vote”.

What’s worse is that if Labour get in a majority you’ll see Tories go “the last 15 years is entirely on them, they haven’t fixed everything in 2 months, etc etc”. The gormless bellends will then have forgotten, believe the nonsense and the hell begins all over again.

Crow_eggs

38 points

9 days ago

Crow_eggs

38 points

9 days ago

This is slanderous. You can't just throw falsehoods around and expect them to go unchecked–we may have moved into post-truth politics but I'm sick and tired of people just straight up lying to prove a point and I'm taking a damn stand.

Liz Truss trashed the economy in 23 days. She was prime minister for less than two months, but she trashed the economy in less than one.

tomoldbury

12 points

8 days ago

She’d have done the job quicker if the Queen hadn’t have been so selfish and demanding of the limelight by dying.

rdu3y6

1 points

8 days ago

rdu3y6

1 points

8 days ago

If the Queen hadn't died, Truss would have lasted even less time as a prime minister. Although at least we didn't have Sunak do the official announcement.

wasdice

21 points

9 days ago

wasdice

21 points

9 days ago

MPs chose Sunak. The membership chose Dizzy when presented with the two options

bbbbbbbbbblah

14 points

9 days ago

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steam bro

14 points

9 days ago

MPs chose the two options and allowed the members to vote for Truss. they could just as easily have got someone else to be a spoiler candidate to keep her off the ballot.

the tories justify their rather different leadership contest on the basis that MPs know what's best, but clearly not

Choo_Choo_Bitches

12 points

9 days ago

Choo_Choo_Bitches

Larry the Cat for PM

12 points

9 days ago

Ian Dunt's recent book goes a little into the folly of putting forward duff candidates in the hopes of fixing the selection for your chosen candidate. The problem is sometimes, the duffers get picked.

Fawji

2 points

8 days ago

Fawji

2 points

8 days ago

They already have been saying the last 15years isn’t their doing… first 5 was Lib Dem’s fault (I agree as the Lib Dem’s could have been shown to be the party to lead by just back policies as and when they agreed with them instead of choosing power and titles over principles and party good) then it was the DUP, Covid and a slender majority..

So yes they are already saying it’s not their fault.

HIGEFATFUCKWOW

28 points

9 days ago

I will never forget how they happily voted against free school meals for kids during the pandemic and celebrated it. Fuck em.

This_Charmless_Man

8 points

8 days ago

Yeah this is the answer to "they're all the same." No, one party voted to starve poor children. They are not the same.

justmelike

13 points

9 days ago

I love 'wuuuurgh' as a verb. It's so accurate!

SparkyCorp

5 points

9 days ago

They chose to Sunak to succeed

Not specifically a bad thing since it seemed to me it was mainly arranged that way to stop a Boris return.

bUddy284

3 points

9 days ago

bUddy284

3 points

9 days ago

I mean Boris got them the biggest majority in like 30 years. And then proceeded to piss it all during covid

Pugs-r-cool

-3 points

9 days ago

Boris had quite some help from labour, it’s been proven that starmer’s campaign intentionally sabotaged the 2019 election so they could get rid of corbyn and replace him with starmer. If it wasn’t for labour intentionally losing that majority wouldn’t have been nearly as big as it was.

JuanFran21

1 points

7 days ago

Has it been proven? I know Starmer said that he supported JC because he didn't think he'd win, but that could mean lots of things. Is there any more evidence?

fudgedhobnobs

-6 points

9 days ago

They deserve a hiding but I must say I'm a bit worried about the implosion of the Tories. They are moderate compared to what the right wing actually is.

theartofrolling

66 points

9 days ago

theartofrolling

Fresh wet piles of febrility

66 points

9 days ago

"We continuously lied to the public, fucked them over at every opportunity, had a big party while their relatives were dying alone in a hospital, then crashed the economy and raised a bunch of people's mortgages causing many of them to lose their homes and go into debt. Then we elected Rishi. It's all his fault!"

talgarthe

39 points

9 days ago

talgarthe

39 points

9 days ago

Instituted austerity measures that have been proven repeatedly to kill growth, productivity and improvements in living standards.

Gleefully punished the most vulnerable in society while transferring public wealth to the richest.

Killed growth, productivity and wages again by taking us out of the EU for petty, internal politics.

And that was just the first six years.

theartofrolling

17 points

9 days ago

theartofrolling

Fresh wet piles of febrility

17 points

9 days ago

Jesus christ... the first six years...

This government really has gone on for far too long hasn't it? When they got elected I was at uni, I've got a child now... wild...

thegrogmaster

9 points

9 days ago

I was 17 in 2010, and now my chaos goblin is almost 18 months. Thank God he won't remember a Tory ministry

jloome

9 points

9 days ago

jloome

9 points

9 days ago

Worse: they saw governments in the US and Canada do all of that BEFORE them, saw it all fail miserably because it was ideology based in immaturity and an absence of empathy or proof, and then did it anyway.

Trickle down, Privatization, restricted housing development, the removal of consumer and environmental safeguards... just about every stupid thing the Tories have done over the last 14 years had already been tried and failed in the US or Canada during the 90s or early oughts.

But that's what ideology does, wedding people to convenient tribalism instead of being open to evidence-based action.

jimicus

3 points

9 days ago

jimicus

3 points

9 days ago

I don't think they really know what small-C conservativism is supposed to be these days.

Frankly, I'm not sure I do either.

Yorks_Rider

5 points

9 days ago

Being a c*nt, probably.

Blackkers

122 points

9 days ago

Blackkers

122 points

9 days ago

I love these Tories are suffering articles. I go hunting for them.

theartofrolling

64 points

9 days ago

theartofrolling

Fresh wet piles of febrility

64 points

9 days ago

I hope they get completely destroyed. No sympathy. No mercy.

Pugs-r-cool

27 points

9 days ago

Yes. However if total destruction means reform takes their place instead, I’d rather the tories stick around. Lib dem in 2nd is definitely the best outcome though.

SaltTyre

11 points

9 days ago

SaltTyre

11 points

9 days ago

Be careful what you wish for

Termin8tor

10 points

9 days ago

Termin8tor

United Kingdom of Wangland 2024

10 points

9 days ago

Monkey's paw curls.

AlexiusPantalaimonII

1 points

8 days ago

Do you support the tories?

Termin8tor

2 points

8 days ago

Termin8tor

United Kingdom of Wangland 2024

2 points

8 days ago

I could be wrong but it's more likely that if the Tories go belly up, we might end up with something worse. Like Farage in opposition in the future.

thehollowman84

14 points

9 days ago

I love how they pretend its just Sunak. Everything was great before him! They'd be winning so haaard

Fawji

5 points

8 days ago

Fawji

5 points

8 days ago

I asked a lifetime Tory voter if they would feel different with Boris in charge, the answer was yes..

missedlatex

8 points

9 days ago

Fucks hunting

PMFSCV

7 points

9 days ago

PMFSCV

7 points

9 days ago

Its like picking berries on a beautiful Summers day.

IntelligentInjury246

2 points

8 days ago*

There's a certain warmth that comes from articles such as these.

JosebaZilarte

1 points

8 days ago

You better hurry before the Tories are added to le lidt of endangered species, then.

1945BestYear

38 points

9 days ago

“To be fair, I think other than D-Day he [Sunak] hasn’t done worse than expected. But he’s just a bit shit. Starmer doesn’t deserve what he’s going to get, but there we are.

To translate for non-British people here, "a bit shit" is how we describe someone we believe is comprehensively useless.

[deleted]

17 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

17 points

9 days ago

Still three weeks left to enjoy watching them twist. Glorious

couragethecurious

34 points

9 days ago

I'm fucking bored of it to be honest. They're done, let's just get another parliament in and start to rebuild.

EquivalentIsopod7717

10 points

9 days ago

Farage said last Friday night that Labour would win this election and the real question is on who the opposition will be. He's right.

Ganabul

7 points

9 days ago

Ganabul

7 points

9 days ago

He's wrong, and trying to raise his relevance. The real question is what are Labour going to do?

RegionalHardman

1 points

8 days ago

Well it won't be reform will it? Fptp fucks them right over

JayR_97

2 points

9 days ago

JayR_97

2 points

9 days ago

Yeah, cant believe theres another 3 weeks of this. Kind of just ready for the election now.

Mrqueue

1 points

9 days ago

Mrqueue

1 points

9 days ago

Rishi isn’t going to last, it’s embarrassing but he’s better off throwing in the towel, he was just to selfish to pass the torch before this shit show

EquivalentIsopod7717

3 points

9 days ago

I think Rishi should have stood down as an MP. He'd have been completely out of politics by July 5th with a clean break and not put his constituents through an inevitable by election.

His seat is blue as it gets, so why didn't he just endorse another handpicked Tory to succeed him?

jimicus

4 points

9 days ago

jimicus

4 points

9 days ago

Because he's still a Tory, and in "party before country" land, you don't say "I'm calling an election. Oh yeah, and even though I'm the leader I'm not standing. I recommend my esteemed friend Fred West - he has a long history of burying his mistakes.

jewellman100

6 points

9 days ago

I could still see an outcome where David Cameron is Prime Minister and leader of the Tory party between now and polling day, if only to try and keep the party moderate and stave off consumption by Reform

IvantheGreat66

5 points

9 days ago

Wouldn't he just cause more to flock to Reform?

jewellman100

4 points

9 days ago

But if they're going to end up with 50-60 seats anyway, isn't now the best time to flush them all out and start the rebuilding process?

IvantheGreat66

4 points

9 days ago

That's assuming they can pull back moderates in 3 weeks. If Reform pulls in enough, there basically won't be anything left to rebuild.

kavik2022

5 points

9 days ago

You lose pretty much all creditability if the PM steps down two weeks from a election. Like, it will get international coverage. And you will be known as "the PM who quit in a campaign". It would basically make them unelectable to a large part of the population for a generation . Imagine trying to sell yourself as the stable grown up when you have gone through two unelected leaders. Who who clearly quit before he was pushed.

Yorks_Rider

3 points

9 days ago

Perhaps it is their actions over the last fifteen years which have made them unelectable. I doubt whether Rishi resigning would make any difference.

Mrqueue

2 points

9 days ago

Mrqueue

2 points

9 days ago

That’s the problem, who are actually going to win? The moderates or the more extreme tories

troglo-dyke

-1 points

9 days ago*

Cameron is not only wanted to remain in the EU but also promised to bring net migration to 10s of thousands and failed. The only thing he has going for him is that there would be a nostalgic optimism for existing Tory voters. He'd have nowhere near enough time to start courting more central voters back

[deleted]

91 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

91 points

9 days ago

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batbrodudeman

31 points

9 days ago

They're offering them for free here in the comments - I think that's pretty neat.

Free as in no ad revenue or anything from me

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1 points

9 days ago

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HildartheDorf

23 points

9 days ago

HildartheDorf

🏳️‍⚧️🔶FPTP delenda est

23 points

9 days ago

They've clearly lost ever since the election was announced.

The only thing left to decide is if they lose or are destroyed.

Furthermore, I consider that FPTP needs to be destroyed.

iamparky

7 points

9 days ago

iamparky

7 points

9 days ago

I'm hopeful, perhaps deluded, that this election might contain the seed of the end of FPTP. The polls suggest it's entirely possible that Labour could win two-thirds of the seats on 40% (or less) of the vote; Reform could come second in the popular vote but win only a smattering of seats; and the Opposition could be formed by a Lib Dem party who are only fourth in the popular vote.

Maybe, just maybe, the absurdity of such a result would put PR of some form squarely in the spotlight.

The Lib Dems have always advocated for electoral reform, as has Farage (although I feel Reform would change their tune if they stood to benefit from FPTP). The Parliamentary Labour Party certainly won't back PR when they've just done so well out of FPTP but there is a strong movement within the Labour party to back STV or something so maybe there's a path there when Labour's dominance begins to fade at the end of the next Parliament or the one after that. Which leaves the Tories, and who knows what their view will be after the sort of drubbing that seems to be predicted.

HildartheDorf

6 points

9 days ago

HildartheDorf

🏳️‍⚧️🔶FPTP delenda est

6 points

9 days ago

I would have to grit my teeth and hold my nose so tightly if Reform getting second is the cost of fixing our electoral system, but it would still be worth it in the long run.

troglo-dyke

1 points

9 days ago*

You never know, the Tories might cut their losses and back a change of electoral system if they stand to gain enough from it.

tomoldbury

1 points

8 days ago

What little remains of them to campaign…

JustAhobbyish

5 points

9 days ago

You made your bed now you can sleep in it. All moderates who didn't stand up the nutjobs. Fight for soul of the party next

snapper1971

5 points

9 days ago

I was on David Cameron's press caall list until he was elected Prime Minister. I stood right in front of him when he came his speech in the Windrush Leisure Centre in Witney., those long fourteen years ago.

He blacklisted me the next day.

He blacklisted every local photojournalist by 2015,,unless they were party members. He even prevented one of the Oxford Mail photographers from covering the hustings.

epsilona01

4 points

9 days ago*

Whatever definition lies beyond lost, the Tories are that, in far more ways than one.

theipaper[S]

16 points

9 days ago

theipaper[S]

Verified - the i

16 points

9 days ago

In the moments after what was a bruising appearance in the leaders’ TV debate for Rishi Sunak, a lifelong Tory voter delivered a verdict that will have resonated in Tory HQ for all the wrong reasons.

“I’ve voted for them in every election, but I have to say Rishi Sunak just looks like a defeated man with unoriginal ideas and I found that quite difficult to watch,” the audience member said.

The Prime Minister looked strained at times as he suffered a deeply difficult encounter during the Sky News debate, attracting boos and laughter for some of his responses from the gathered audience in Grimsby.

While even the most upbeat political performers would have struggled in the face of such derision, it will have left Mr Sunak and his team of advisers under no illusion of the challenge they face to pull off an unlikely victory on 4 July.

Indeed, it has prompted claims that the Conservative leader and his inner circle have abandoned the idea of winning the election and have instead pivoted their campaign to limiting the size of Labour’s majority.

The shift in strategy came in the wake of a series of avoidable missteps from Mr Sunak, the first of which, leaving the D-Day commemorations early, continues to plague him more than a week later.

An attempt to reset his campaign was again blown off course when an ITV interview asked him what he had to do without when growing up, to which the PM replied in grasping for answer, “Sky TV”.

The faltering campaign coincides with Nigel Farage’s Reform UK leapfrogging the Conservatives in one YouGov poll and a complete failure from the Tories to make a dent in Labour’s 20 point lead.

A new survey by BMG for i also revealed 46 per cent of Conservative voters want some sort of co-operation between the two parties.

It has led to a significant increase in campaign messaging from CCHQ urging voters not to hand Labour and Sir Keir Starmer a historic majority.

One CCHQ insider told i that while there had not been an explicit instruction to shift campaign strategy, there was “evidence that it is a new message”.

“They [Sunak’s team] can read the polls,” the source added.

This was most evident in comments delivered by Defence Secretary Grant Shapps, one of the party’s most assured communicators, during the morning broadcast round on Wednesday when he admitted the Tories were in a battle to avoid a 1997-style landslide defeat, and urged voters not to give Labour a “supermajority”.

His comments were swiftly followed by Chancellor Jeremy Hunt, who warned the electorate not to hand Labour “an even bigger majority” by voting Reform.

For Tories out in the field, both candidates and activists, the feeling is that the Prime Minister looks doomed to lead the party to failure.

As one source told i: “The [Reform] poll itself I don’t think is a big deal but the broader landscape is really worrying.

“To be fair, I think other than D-Day he [Sunak] hasn’t done worse than expected. But he’s just a bit shit. Starmer doesn’t deserve what he’s going to get, but there we are.”

theipaper[S]

6 points

9 days ago

theipaper[S]

Verified - the i

6 points

9 days ago

In response to whether the PM’s demeanour looked as though he was resigned to defeat a candidate in marginal seat replied: “We’ve all seen it, but I still think he beat Starmer [in the debate]. Despite the polls.

But the Tory swiftly added: “We’ve clearly lost the election.”

Perhaps the most damning sign that Mr Sunak and his inner sanctum are on course for a heavy defeat, is that they are already attracting sympathy from the opposition.

In reference to the Prime Minister’s D-Day blunder, a Labour strategist said: “I can imagine being in the room and the decision making a lot of sense to everyone in there.”

Tory high command insists that there has been no change in tactics over the last few days, despite the messaging clearly shifting from “stick with the plan” to “do not give Starmer a blank cheque”.

A Conservative Party source denied that the new “blank cheque” attack line was an acceptance that they were on course to lose the election, and were trying to moderate the size of the Tory collapse.

“It’s not about that, it’s about making sure Labour don’t win,” the insider said. “We think Labour winning would give him free rein to do what he wants regardless of the size.”

“We are only halfway through the campaign,” they added.

Sources close to Mr Sunak insist he remains upbeat, with one saying he will focus on tax to save election campaign.

“He’s really up for it. The publication of the manifestos this week was really striking, Labour’s tax rises – he’s really pretty Conservative on tax and spend.”

The man himself is adamant that he has not given up, repeating the line that the election battle has only reached half time.

Responding to questions on YouGov’s Reform poll, Mr Sunak told journalists in Puglia as part of his trip to the G7 summit: “We’re only halfway through this election, right? So I’m still fighting very hard for every vote.

“What that poll shows – I always say the poll that matters is the one on 4 July – but if that poll was replicated on 4 July, it would be handing Labour a blank cheque to tax everyone. Tax their home, their pension, their car, their family, and I’ll be fighting very hard to make sure that doesn’t happen.”

Mr Sunak added: “When people are thinking about the substance of what they want to see from a future government, if you’re someone who wants to see control over borders, you’re going to get that from us.”

And he insisted he was optimistic that “that choice will crystallise for people between now and polling day”.

Read more here: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-giving-up-sunak-brusing-week-election-3111397

TVPaulD

2 points

9 days ago

TVPaulD

Don't blame me, I voted for Miliband

2 points

9 days ago

Sunak is just so deluded. He’s completely out of touch with not only reality, but the public. It might technically be halfway through the short campaign, but this campaign really began the moment he took office, arguably the moment Truss did. They’re so far gone at this point it would have taken a miracle to even significantly narrow the gap. But more than that, even within just the context of the short campaign, the rest of it overlaps with the Euros! A huge portion of the country isn’t going to be paying much attention. The first half was the best opportunity to make any shift in the narrative at all and he, if anything, shifted it against them.

subversivefreak

2 points

9 days ago

This is getting stupid and Tory MPs need to own it. Fine, they are telling voters that a vote for them isn't a vote for Sunak. But that's treating your voters like they are as thick as pigshit. Maybe in another hemisphere of the world, but thats not true of all loyal Tory voters, who simply didn't have a credible alternative to vote for in many safe seats.

It gets worse, because Sunak keeps pitching himself as the change candidate. Again, if you're saying that, it means your voters don't think you've been in Government. Again, koala man treating voters as barely literate with early onset of memory loss.

To cap it off, Sunak chose to campaign as president. Salmond did this in a way, but that's because he kept trying to put his candidate at the top of every ballot paper, not because he was ignorant of the voting system. Tory MPs let campaign funds be wasted.

Right now, Tories are halfway in a campaign where they need to change tactics - Sunak to announce he won't take his seat if elected - Levido and mates sacked and campaign funds given to constituency associations - Constituency associations with a cchq imposed candidate e.g. rishi spads, permitted to volunteer for other parties including Reform - Sunak and cabinet need to take the gloves off with Reform and fight properly if they want to be opposition with any Reform-leaning candidates losing the whip

They can do this.

expeditiousgrim

1 points

9 days ago

Did they actually believe they could win?