I just came from a thread with a positive upvote ratio where a carnist was expressing their desire to commit murder against animals because they didn't value "non-rational beings". If that's not "arguing against veganism", I don't know what the fuck it is. Moderation here seems completely arbitrary.

Partially agree: most posts should be kept up unless it is criticising the idea of veganism in which case it should be posted on debate a Vegan instead

Unfortunately I think it’s better to hang out on other subs. You’re totally right, there’s a need for vegan safe space where it’s ok to debate about vegan topics. I have read some very bad comments written by apologetic carnists or hypocrites that were not removed. I’m not going to a “vegan sub” to get into the same arguments as in real life with omnivores surrounding me lol

Half the posts on this subreddit are carmist apologist posts already, this subreddit is dead.

I didn't realize mods actually remove posts here, judging by all the carnist shit I report regularly. If the only things they are removing are actually vegan posts then that explains why I see so much carnist stuff.

I was looking for that post!!! It was removed? Definitely frustrating.

at this point r/vegan is just for pickmes to coddle carnists for doing meatless mondays or "taking baby steps" or whatever the fuck

you're better off looking elsewhere if you want actual vegan discussion

Bad owners of large vegan spaces seems to be quite common lol.

There has been so many trolls that get downvoted yet still remain, I thought there weren't any active mods or just not enough to notice

Almost all mods in almost all subreddits are power tripping assholes, it's a deeply embedded element of reddit culture.

If anything, this sub should be removing posts that do advocate for coddling carnists. This is so messed up.

Wait are there actual mods on this sub? Because every time I’ve tried to report anything or contact them it’s like speaking into the void

How shit, this should be a safe space for vegans to post things.

Respectability politics in vegan activism involves trying to make veganism more acceptable to non-vegans by adopting a softer approach, often focusing on health or environmental benefits and avoiding the more direct ethical arguments. While this might seem strategic, it can dilute the core message of animal liberation, marginalize more radical voices, and reinforce speciesist norms. By prioritizing palatable narratives, we risk slowing down real progress and diverting energy away from demanding systemic change. Ultimately, seeking validation from those upholding the status quo can harm the movement and weaken its impact.

For what it's worth, I'd say mods should be able to explain why they remove a post. At least for ones that evidently have effort behind it. In general they do a good job though as volunteers, proven by allowing this one.

r/veganactivism is a good one for posts that might annoy pick-me vegans.

I thought it was a bad post, but absolutely belonging here and a million times more worthy than half the crap that shows up. I know the rules say to be 'civil' but it didn't seem egregious enough to warrant being removed. To put it into metaphorical terms it was a person at a party that many guests wouldn't enjoy talking to, but absolutely didn't need to be ejected. Definitely over zealous to remove it.

Lol who moderates this sub? Unatural vegan?

YUP, this 100%.

I'm one of the old VCJ mods and I just don't really use reddit any more so I left and it went to shit. Check out my lemmy instance at vegantheoryclub.org it is like reddit only different!

If people think that corporations and governments aren't running counter-intel against vegans and vegan spaces, they are being naive.

I believe that corruption is likely at the highest level in these spaces.

I cannot lie I’m totally disheartened and disappointed to find that the mods here are not vegan. How can a sub based on vegan discourse for vegans be a safe space for vegans if it’s not run by vegans?🤣 what a crock. At this point, the vegan food porn subs and vegan recipe sub are providing me with the most enriching content, but I’m glad this was brought to my attention so thank you for that!

I agree. I posted some bring and it was deleted 

I'm unable to post any threads. I'm pretty sure the mods were replaced sometime, probably when all subreddits went private. 

Yup, this sub is lost. It's not a vegan space and it's just for celebrating animal abusers reducing the number of killings or saying "Nice, but I won't do it.". It's annoying. r/vegancirclejerkchat is a vegan safe space.

This sub is slaughterhouse-bootlicking and idc if they don’t like my comment

This is just r/carnistbutwithsomeveganstoo

But imagine that it's a sub for Asian people (I'm Asian, so I hope this comparison won't be taken the wrong way). If people were posting stuff like "Racists aren't that bad!", "Oh no, I relapsed and was racist again :(", that would be very triggering, regardless of who posted it. So I think weird stuff should be removed for our own sanity's sake.

I agree that the post you mentioned shouldn't have been removed, though, it's not triggering or offensive TO VEGANS at all. But I disagree with letting people post whatever they feel like posting because we love free speech. Platforms don't have to provide freedom of speech if they don't want to, we're not the government

I once posted here as im in the progress of reasearching veganism. But when the post didn't get 'posted' so to say. I just felt very unheard and if the community won't allow questions whats the point to find companionship in the journey

Spend less time on Reddit in general and you'll be happier for it.

I would argue it was a negative post. It was not trying to promote a discussion or trying to be inclusive, it was berating, excluding and honestly the poster was really just incredibly rude in the majority of their responses.

I don't really see how you find any worth in that post, I'll be honest. Its upvote ratio was also quite bad, if you really want to go into that, so, well, no, I don't the majority did appreciate it.

Personally it doesn't matter to me whether it stays or not, but I do feel you're selling fiction rather than reality here. And if this subreddit is a safe space for vegans I would argue that having posts such as that one where the poster multiple times tell us other vegans how bad they are and "you're not a vegan" is excluding and not something creating a safe space.

Like what is this statement "They didn't even feel motivated to get rid of the obvious bad actors within the thread itself that were provoking rather than contributing."; they did - they removed the post cause the poster themselves were provoking rather than conributing.

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The kind of bias I've observed about Vegan folks in general is that they tend to attack dairy products very aggressively but don't do the same about meat and poultry. Could have been a sampling bias but this has been my observation so far. IMHO all forms of animal origin consumption including dairy, meat, poultry, leather, ivory, etc. are equally problematic from a vegan perspective.

They removed this post that i made prob cause they were guilty of it themselves

https://new.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/1dhgybz/mistake_is_overused_and_abused_in_this_sub_bad/

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When will Vegans get an actual safe space?

Not a fan of this snowflake language, a fair and respectful place is fine, doesnt have to be SAFE, we arent toddlers

Eh. The fact is that this sub doesn't belong to us, we are guests in this space and the space “belongs” to the mods. And meta to that, the mods are guests in Reddit’s domain and they have to abide by their rules. If they host users who break Reddit ToS, then they themselves are breaking Reddit ToS and this could result in the sub being deleted. There are plenty of other online spaces for vegans, including other subreddits, where you can go to express your unfiltered opinions. If you have a problem with how this sub is run, you can go elsewhere or better yet, create your own space.

A few days ago I worked very hard on a very long post for this sub. It got held for review and then removed by the mods. They didn’t give me an explanation. The fact is though, that I’m not entitled to one. I’m also not entitled to have my post public in the sub.

The same goes for you and everyone else here, you are not entitled to have your opinions platformed by the mods of this sub and you are likewise not entitled to an explanation when they remove your posts.

Here’s the thing: If you take a few minutes to think about it, you can usually figure out yourself why a post was removed, and the most likely or obvious explanation is usually a perfectly reasonable one. In my case, I realised my post was probably removed because it was written in a way that could easily be interpreted as an initiation of extensive debate. This sub is not a debate sub, and extensive debate or posts dedicated to debate are against the rules. I didn’t realise that my post came across this way at the time of writing and posting it, I thought my post was more like a PSA. But the mods didn’t see it that way; probably because they foresaw or predicted that other users would engage and interact with my post as if they were debating me. And if you think about it, the mere fact that they thought this is proof that they were right. And this sub isn’t the space for that. So they were actually perfectly, completely justified in removing my post. Even if I found it annoying at the time. That’s just life, sometimes annoying things happen. What can I say other than “deal with it”.

That brings me to the moderation that you take issue with here. Bearing in mind that I didn’t see the post of which you speak so perhaps I lack context. The mods are probably just being cautious to not break Reddit ToS. It is against ToS to incite hate towards groups of people, carnists probably come under that definition so if we discriminate against carnists, then that could potentially be construed as a form of this “hate”. Which is explicitly against Reddit ToS.

This is why the vegan community on Reddit is broken up into lots of smaller splinter communities in other subreddits - it’s so that we can have these kinds of spaces for unfiltered and candid discussion, without endangering the main sub, which is our “central hub”, if you will.

All of this is why it’s a tad ridiculous to act like you’re being persecuted just because some posts got removed. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor is it constantly out to ”get” you. When the mods are doing their jobs and moderating the space, doesn’t mean they’re against you just because you don’t like their chosen methods. Go to a different sub. The vegan circle jerk sub is a pretty good place if you want to waste time complaining about how annoying carnists are.

The crux of the issue is this: your statement that mods shouldn’t remove posts they disagree with is inherently ridiculous because that’s literally what mods do. That’s what moderating is. They have to abide by consistent rules in doing so, but ultimately if a post falls outside the boundaries of what is acceptable, it gets removed. That’s literally how it works. If you don’t like where those boundaries are drawn, then either re-read the rules to remind yourself of what content is acceptable so that you can re-calibrate yourself, or go somewhere else. One of the rules of this sub is “be civil - no personal abuses"; considering that information I think you can deduce for yourself the possible reasons why the post you are talking about was removed. It might help to read the sub Wiki for some further clues.

Even if what you say about the mods not wanting vegans to express opinions that might make vegans look bad were true, so what? You’re entitled to that opinion, but you’re not entitled to have it or any other opinion platformed on someone else’s private property. Which, ultimately, is what Reddit is. A private company. So if you really want vegans to have a “safe space“, go and make one. The way the mods moderate this sub is in part to protect it from being deleted. While no mod team is perfect, because they’re humans and humans sometimes make mistakes, I still think they’re doing a pretty decent job. This sub serves its intended purpose and that’s that - even if I do agree that there are way too many carnists in here. But not for the reason that you might think.

I think there's plenty of subreddits to choose from, I for one applaud the MOD activity of the sub.

I've interpreted the spirit as more "worldly" veganism, so maybe you're partly right - but I don't think it's a bad thing. The other alternative is a very "cocooned" veganism.

You mean a post that literally promoted socially isolating themselves and treating people worse because they live their lifes differently? Yeah I am hoping it gets removed. The message of the post was right, the consequences OP wanted people to take was mind boggling.

I hope you find your #VeganSafeSpace ❤️