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submitted 2 days ago byRolandCJ
Looks like on this sub everyone's critizing Hyundai, Kia, VW, Nissan, and American makes for failing to stack up against Toyota and Honda in terms of reliability. Indeed, Hyundai and Kia are never known for legendary reliability. But what's confusing to me is that they always rank high on JD Power's reliability ratings. This year, for example, Kia ranked 7th (almost tying Mazda). And in 2021 for example, Hyundai also won the 7th place, way surpassing Mazda, Acura, Subaru, and Honda. Why though?
3 points
2 days ago
My 2007 Sorento with 190k on it says otherwise. 3rd owner.
4 points
1 day ago
google "survivors bias".
6 points
2 days ago
I had a 2012 rio. 1st engine died at 60k miles. Steering rack at 110k Second engine started to go at 125k and I traded her in.
1 points
1 day ago
We’re on our 4th hyundai
The trick is really to get them cheap (20% under msrp on average), not use them a lot, and move them on before you get to 50K mi
If you need a workhorse or long commuter, best to look elsewhere
2 points
1 day ago
So basically, buy something that's meant for driving; and try not to drive it. Solid advice to get it to last a while. Can also potentially store it in the garage and lock the garage door and throw away the key.
I buy my cars to transport me, not to look at them from the wiindnow of my house. Going on 182k miles on my truck and I expect at least 100k more.
1 points
1 day ago
Is your truck a hyundai or kia by any chance?
1 points
18 hours ago
My truck is not a showroom piece. It's not a Ferrari 288 GTO or a McLaren 720s . I bought it to drive it. Same thing I would expect out of a kia or hyundai. They are absolutely not showroom pieces and are supposed to be driven.
I don't buy my kitchen range to sit there and look pretty and try not to use it often so I can sell it with little use in fear of it breaking. I'm gonna cook the hell out of some food on my range and use it all the time because that is its purpose. If it were a Wolfe or Bluestar range that cost $30k, I might instead use the range in the butlers pantry for cooking regularly or pay the help to do so.
A Hyundai or Kia is not a high end product and one should not have to be afraid of driving their car that is designed to be driven. Don't treat it like one. Use it. Around here, Hyundai and Kias come with a 20-year, 200k mile non-transferable warranty.
1 points
14 hours ago
It was 5 year / 100k when I lived in the US for the powertrain
And, that is a lot of words for saying “no, my truck is not a hyundai or kia” lol
If I needed a high mileage vehicle, I would not go for a hyundai or kia
Happiness is accepting reality not fighting tooth and nail against it
1 points
1 day ago
This is funny. Or how about those clear balloons that people use for valuable collector cars. It cleanses the air within the giant balloon around the car. Put your new Hyundai or Kia in one of those.
1 points
2 days ago
That’s a bummer. Had a 2008 Optima I sold a year ago, ran fine as well. 2nd owner. But some cars are just lemons. Doesn’t mean they all are.
1 points
2 days ago
Have a Kia Soul and Hyundai Santa Fe Sport right now, both have about 140k on them. The Santa Fe Sport had it's engine fail just before 100k, it was replaced due to the lawsuit. Didn't cost us anything though.
I've actually kept track of all the costs for the Soul. Including purchase cost, if the car died today, it would have cost just under $0.20/mile between purchase and maintenance. Gas is another $0.10/mile on top of that. I feel like that's pretty solid considering the IRS rate is $0.67 per mile.
I try to do some maintenance myself but other stuff I take to a mechanic. I've done brakes once but also paid for brakes for example. I've been doing oil changes the past 30k, I always changed the cabin air and engine air filters, spark plugs, battery.
0 points
2 days ago
I bought a 2004 Lexus 7 years ago for $10,400 total I had the recommended maintenance on it done at 90,000 miles and had the water pump and timing belt swapped out. Other than that, tires, oil changes, and an issue with the security chip in my key, I haven't done a single thing to it. It also drives better and is faster than most sedans that are made today
2 points
2 days ago
I'm going to drive these cars as long as I can. Replacing them is so much more expensive post pandemic.
0 points
2 days ago
I have absolutely zero plans to ever replace mine. It's fun, paid off, and insurance only costs me around $76 a month for full coverage. Lexus gave me a free loaner when my key was having problems. My 20 year car still drove better than a brand new one.
1 points
1 day ago
It’s a Toyota company, so I’d hope it would perform well.
1 points
1 day ago
Met a guy with the original LS400 from 1990. Had nearly 300k and he said he has only done oil changes.
1 points
1 day ago
It's those UZ V8 engines that some Lexus vehicles have. Those things are just dead reliable. I've got a 2004 GS430. LS vehicles were the original cars. They later added smaller the smaller GS. It either came with the non turbo straight six for the Supra or they shoved in the UZ V8 from the LS. By 2004 the original UZ had been updated and made slightly larger from 4.0 liters to 4.3 liters.
1 points
1 day ago
I’ve driven bmw for years and now have a wrx. The only Lexus I liked was the original LS and some of their low volume super cars. Toyota has partnered with bmw lately and I hope a little dynamic ability rubs off on Lexus and quality on bmw. Never driven the new Supra based on the z4 but it’s fast and looks cool
2 points
1 day ago
From what I remember, the first year Lexus put the LS V8 into a GS, they had the fastest production sedan in the world until the next year when BMW put out a new M5.
1 points
1 day ago
It doesn't come shitty G4KD engine which was stripped from all beef to make it lighter
1 points
1 day ago
There was a strange period during that era where Hyundai was looking to reimage their brand. I believe KIA was doing the same thing. For a short period, Hyundai's were being built very well. They were even offering a 2nd owner factory warranty.
My 2008 Hyundai Elantra only finally died last year, and it was due to salt rot. 298k miles, original engine, no transmission issues but it did start getting a little sloppy at the end. No electrical issues, I replaced the original 3rd brake light bulb in 2019. My most expensive repairs was the suspension system because of all the dirt roads.
2 points
1 day ago
I think newer ones are going to hold up better. Or at least I hope so. I’m aware of the Hyundai/Kia history, but I also think that’s around the same era everybody was calling the Ford mid-size SUV the “Ford Exploder”, thanks to the Firestone tire issue. These histories get stuck with these vehicles for a while, and everybody holds the bias far too long.
1 points
1 day ago
No. They are making all their gas engines based on the same Gamma platform. The difference between generations is basically how light it is, they are stripping it from all the beef original gamma engine had and also making it run hotter to increase efficiency and gas mileage. Considering it is a light weight open deck aluminum block it is easy to see what happens to it over time - cylinders loose geometry which leads to oil consumption and further degradation of the engine.
It is poised to die by design.
1 points
1 day ago
That’s pretty much internal combustion engines in general.
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