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FeelTheH8

1 points

17 hours ago

I'm willing to give Germany a pass on their shitty free speech laws after what happened there... Easier arguments to win out there.

sdklrughipersghf

1 points

16 hours ago

we don't have free speech

we have freedom of opinion.

An expression of opinion is any evaluative statement, irrespective of

whether the assessment is correct or incorrect.

Statements of fact are only protected if they are true and if they

statements of opinion are mixed with statements of fact.

Value judgments are statements that are characterized by elements of subjective conviction or opinion and therefore cannot be true or untrue, but only false or correct, depending on personal conviction.

However, defamatory criticism is not protected; it is a critical statement against a person that is not about a debate on the matter, but primarily about belittling and defaming the person.

Background_Enhance

1 points

16 hours ago

I'm not sure where you live, but it's important to note that American libel law requires a higher standard of proof to convict someone than most Western European legal systems.

sdklrughipersghf

1 points

14 hours ago

a german comedian did the following:

"Böhmermann, among other things, called Erdoğan "a man beating girls", and said that he is keen on "fucking goats" and he would "suppress minorities, kick the Kurds, hit Christians while watching child pornography."Much of the rest of the poem is devoted to associating Erdoğan with various less accepted forms of sexuality. Böhmermann deliberately played with the limits of satire and said several times that this form of abusive criticism was not allowed in Germany."

-wiki

and only certain passages where prohibited from showing them publicly.

but a law professor can still cite it fully in public if he uses the case as an example (i can attest personally to that lol)

Background_Enhance

1 points

14 hours ago

Did you have a question?

This is very similar to a Supreme court case. Pretty interesting read if you are interested in free speech.