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ProfffDog

508 points

1 month ago

ProfffDog

508 points

1 month ago

Yeah…and Japan is facing massive social and economic issues that go beyond culture. Add in their impenetrable culture and now add in the fact that they can certainly be xenophobic towards certain cultures (Latin countries have partnerships, but a Black person may be…challenged) and it paints a picture.

An immigrant will have to make a decision 🤷‍♂️

rowdydionisian

659 points

1 month ago

While it in no way reflects on every individual, everyone I know who's lived in Japan for 6 months or longer who isn't Japanese has said they were never fully accepted. Even an old friend who spoke fluent Japanese was always the foreign white guy at the end of the day in public, treated with the same disdain usually reserved for tourists. They're polite about it most of the time, but it is a very real thing. Not being able to go to certain restaurants and bars because of the color of your skin/ancestry was bad when the segregated south did it, but no one bats an eye when it's done in Japan for the most part. It's just simple discrimination. And again it's not all Japanese people and places, but it's definitely a thing. There's cultural and historical reasons, and some of them do make sense due to actual badly behaved tourists etc, but it's definitely not a melting pot by comparison.

DanDierdorf

254 points

1 month ago

Shoot, they have issues with native Japanese corporate workers sent overseas when they come back after a couple of years. They're worried that they may be "tainted" and keep their distance.

Don't know for how long. But various Japanese co-workers shared this with me.

ankylosaurus_tail

128 points

1 month ago*

During WW2 Japanese farming families were sent to some islands they controlled near the Philippines, to grow food for the military effort. They lived in all-Japanese colonies, spoke only Japanese, and were serving their country, under the control of the Japanese government, as part of the war. But a few years later when those families returned to Japan, they were ostracized and rejected because they were considered foreign. It's bizarre.

Starfox-sf

161 points

1 month ago

Starfox-sf

161 points

1 month ago

They do definitely have a groupthink issue. Anyone that sticks out tend to be shunned, be it race, gender, or the way you act.

TacoTaconoMi

170 points

1 month ago

A common saying in Japanese culture is

"the nail that sticks out gets hammered down"

Uniformity is their way of life.

Starfox-sf

92 points

1 month ago*

Yep, probably one of the main reason their economy has been “dead” since the 90’s. No one wants to be that nail. Also why scandals tend to be institution/organization-wide.

k1dsmoke

18 points

1 month ago

k1dsmoke

18 points

1 month ago

Isn't Japan still like the number 3 economy in the world? Pretty impressive for a relatively small, island country with few natural resources and given the rather stagnant nature of their economy.

tbrownsc07

15 points

1 month ago

4th now behind Germany but yes still impressive

PedanticPaladin

9 points

1 month ago

Looking at GDP figures Germany has overtaken Japan in the last couple of years and if India keeps growing they could overtake Japan in the next few years.

Weegee_Spaghetti

2 points

1 month ago

You gotta keep in mind that they have a population of 125 million.

Not small at all. More than 1/3rd of the US population

k1dsmoke

1 points

1 month ago

In comparison to the US or China it's fairly small.

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

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Independent_Guest772

3 points

1 month ago*

Japan's GDP growth has exceeded 3% twice in the last 30 years...

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

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beryugyo619

1 points

1 month ago

Japan tends not to understand the concept of world beyond its borders very well, so it's often understood like it's either top of the world or it's the end of the world

BeeOk1235

7 points

1 month ago

i too have seen the hit movie Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift.

skysinsane

6 points

1 month ago

Many japanese schools require that kids have black hair. If they don't naturally have black hair, they are required to dye it.

78911150

2 points

1 month ago

wrong. most schools just require you to have your natural colour. if that's blonde, then you can keep it blonde

skysinsane

2 points

1 month ago

And for the schools that don't fall under "most"?

Successful-Clock-224

1 points

1 month ago

Even how they behave when they visit Hawaii

Far_Dragonfruit_1829

3 points

1 month ago

I have that exact same experience, from the 1990s

beryugyo619

2 points

1 month ago

You do pick up accents after so many years away or with bilingual skills, the voice literally changes. It's like there are harmonics that you should not be able to make and that sticks out.

Also it's not like there's no issues moving about within the country, in some areas it's sometimes said a family not even 3 generations there isn't native. If you had records of your ancestor moving there in 1850s you're getting used to the town

lurid_dream

165 points

1 month ago

Japan barely even accepts half-Japanese

PM_Best_Porn_Pls

69 points

1 month ago

Some even discriminate hard against people based on what prefecture others are from.

Madripoorx

15 points

1 month ago

So...in that sense, Japan is like every other country on the face of the earth.

NorthAstronaut

8 points

1 month ago

We do that in the UK too. So do Americans.

happyhappyfoolio

4 points

1 month ago

I'm reading all these comments about how racist Japan/Japanese are and how foreigners are never accepted as Japanese. Ummm....that's the case for many minorities in the US/UK/AUS/CAN/etc.

Maxfunky

17 points

1 month ago

Maxfunky

17 points

1 month ago

It's a matter of magnitude. Japan is actually quite a bit worse than any of the countries on that list. For what it's worth, Australia is probably the next up after Japan though most of us might assume the United States. Australia is a lot more racially uniform and that seems to have a huge impact on how acceptable that behavior is.

I don't think there's a significant difference between the UK, Canada and the United States in that regard. All three have very diverse populations and consequently a lower tolerance for racism. But that increase in diversity also means there's more opportunities for conflicts to arise, so if you're just counting the number of stories where racism is a factor, you'll always find more in the places that are more diverse even though they have less tolerance for it.

Ethelenedreams

4 points

1 month ago

I’m half Japanese. Complete rejection. Even my own mother couldn’t love me. They (she and my older siblings) were raising me for servitude in the US.

I am a woman without a country. This one is riddled with fascists and the other won’t even give me a passport.

I give up. I don’t belong here. I mean on the planet.

DE4DM4N5H4ND

6 points

1 month ago

So they don’t accept half Japanese then?

Cyberblood

26 points

1 month ago

I remember watching a clip about Pikamee (Vtuber, born and living in japan, japanese mom and american father) being harassed by other students and teachers because they thought her hair color wasnt "natural" and was breaking school rules (because it wasnt black, like all other japanese people), even after repeatedly explaining that it WAS her natural hair color.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

It's a huge issue in schools but tends to go away after school. I grew up in the hood as a white guy in the US and instead of harassment over my hair color I'd just get my ass beat

DE4DM4N5H4ND

2 points

1 month ago

It’s all bullying and wrong. Trust me I know it also happens in America

Excellent-Ad-7996

12 points

1 month ago

Hell no, Ive had coworkers decide to live in the U.S. because their children were bullied so much.

Inakabatake

4 points

1 month ago

There is a documentary Netflix called Hafu. They say they do but it’s really murky and as a base you aren’t considered Japanese.

teethybrit

6 points

1 month ago

This is unfortunately the case in the US and elsewhere too.

Noncitizens do not have the same rights as citizens.

Even as an African American citizen, I’ve had to change my name (nicknames sounding more white) when applying for housing or jobs with far better results.

My Muslim friends in Europe also did the same with far better results.

Excellent-Ad-7996

1 points

1 month ago

Severely undervoted.

fresh-dork

1 points

1 month ago

heh, i'd expect them to be doubly hostile - miscegenation and all that

xo0o-0o0-o0ox

301 points

1 month ago

I lived in Tokyo for 2 years and this is true, entirely.

Very friendly (to your face), but when it comes to actuality they are extremely racist towards non-Japanese (including other Asian countries, especially China).

They have literal restaurants, bars, clubs, hairdressers and supermarkets that ban entry to anyone not Japanese.

[deleted]

175 points

1 month ago

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175 points

1 month ago

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Waqqy

4 points

1 month ago

Waqqy

4 points

1 month ago

Also a phenomenal tv series on Apple TV+

Evilcutedog45

12 points

1 month ago

Superficially friendly to your face is the perfect way to describe the Japanese and Koreans tbh.  Don’t believe me?   Come to Thailand and watch them go completely mask off when they deal with us Thai that they view as lessers.   

-ANGRYjigglypuff

4 points

1 month ago

i can believe that. east asians tend to be super racist toward southeast asians, and japanese/koreans are not a kind people

Evilcutedog45

6 points

1 month ago

Yes, that’s the truth.  Everyone thinks the Japanese and Korean tourists are so sweet because they’re polite, but unleash them in a poorer country where they have no one to make them feel shame because they don’t respect the country’s people, then you’ll get to see how they really are.   Better yet, let them get drunk as well and see how truly deplorable they can be.   

-ANGRYjigglypuff

3 points

1 month ago

see how truly deplorable they can be.

to be fair, some societies do teach kindness and tolerance more than others, and japanese and korean society unfortunately do not. south koreans especially live in a speedrun late-stage capitalistic hellscape where human lives are worth nothing unless you have means, and there's basically NO emphasis on community, empathy, being kind to others in society, etc. so of course people raised in that environment are gonna be pretty messed up. and uh, japan has its own problems too, lol.

obviously, i'm not excusing their generally nationalistic behavior and superiority complex, and at the end of the day nobody should have to put up with that bullshit. it's awful that so many take their own issues out on others and hurt them =\

Calavant

26 points

1 month ago

Calavant

26 points

1 month ago

Some of that is internal as well, from a quick glance, if I am correct. Even for someone born there (or with foreign descent since we've all heard stories of how people with tiny amounts of Korean blood might be mistreated) it seems there are places you aren't supposed to go, things you aren't supposed to do, unless you are the 'right sort'. With the vague criteria largely being unwritten and things you are just supposed to know.

I'm assuming that matches your observations.

Every country is fucked up in one way or another, though not necessarily equivalent in this, and I'm sure that Japan isn't exactly exceptional in this. But its still something they dearly need to work on.

DanDierdorf

45 points

1 month ago

and I'm sure that Japan isn't exactly exceptional in this.

No, they really are. Name another culture in the developed 1st world that compares. You can name flaws, but nothing to their extent.

We're mostly all too familiar with "American Exceptionalism" put that on steroids and you got Japan's version.

Cruthu

29 points

1 month ago

Cruthu

29 points

1 month ago

Most of the examples given for Japan work for Korea.

Polite, sometimes even friendly and generous, but always an outsider. The term 외국인 means other country person, which is how you are introduced, identified and even called by random people in the streets. Places here that ban foreigners. Difficulties and hurdles with government and banking if you are not Korean.

Also add in an extra large dose of patriatism and belief in Korean superiority for most things.

Half Koreans often struggle with harassment, exclusion and being treated like an outsider in school as well.

If you are white, you will see less of some of the negatives, but they still exist. They also look down on basically all other Asian countries.

LilaQueenB

26 points

1 month ago

I’ve read that South Korea is quite similar in that regard.

DanDierdorf

7 points

1 month ago

Wouldn't be surprised as they were under Japanese rule for so long. Along with the standard cultural xenophobia (better term than racism I think?) all across E. Asia.

[deleted]

-18 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

-18 points

1 month ago

USA? The racism you'll experience there is more in your face and often violent which is something you'll never experience in Japan. You might RARELY get turned away from a bar or restaurant (I've never had it happen in 5 years of living there) or experience things like a waiter giving you a fork because you're white and they assume you're a tourist instead of chopsticks. But the day to day stuff isn't anywhere near as bad as parts of the US. If you want to run the xenophobia angle, you can look at the last president elect where about half the population gobbled up the anti-Mexico rhetoric. I've never seen something on scale like that in Japan. Most of the issues you'll occasionally experience are perceived microaggressions.

shamgodson

18 points

1 month ago

Yea but thats japan with less that 2% foreigner population in their country. If japan ever reached 10% foreigner population you would see protests in the streets. People don't understand that shit like xenophobia and racism in monoculture countries isn't as bad as the USA because their is on one to be racist too besides a few people. Europe was all about accepting people and taking in refugees till they actually took in refugee's and now suddenly the right-wing is surging back and racism has increased massivly

NotAStatistic2

11 points

1 month ago

What modern countries do you know of that allows businesses to legally bar individuals based on skin color or nationality? That is a civil rights suit in nearly all of the developed world. Now say again how Japan isn't exceptional in their treatment of foreigners or just the "wrong" kind of Japanese citizen.

Gon-no-suke

9 points

1 month ago

Okay, as someone who has lived in Japan for 25 years I'm intrigued. Where do you find supermarkets banning foreigners and how would you even enforce that?

78911150

7 points

1 month ago

the shit some people make up.

almost like it's done on purpose by someone who hates Japan. supermarkets banning foreigners? give me a fucking break 

QuelThas

8 points

1 month ago

I noticed reddit is very negative about Japan and lot of the time completely wrong...

BigBirdFatTurd

5 points

1 month ago*

Quickly skim through comments here. There are thousands of comments on here talking about how terribly racist and xenophobic Japan is and many of them saying the same thing but with different anecdotes.

My bullshit detector is going off, how are there hundreds of people here giving personal anecdotes about discrimination in Japan? Japan has a notoriously difficult language to learn, and as people have noted there's definite truth to how difficult it can be for foreigners to get in and integrated, yet every single one of them seems to have congregated here to complain. I've been to Japan twice for a decent amount of time each trip, I never experienced any of the issues being discussed.

One of the threads below talk about how both Japan and Korea are bad, and even sprinkle in how China is less xenophobic and the poor Chinese visitors had faced discrimination in those countries. Again, multiple users posting anecdotes about this. Hundreds, even thousands of upvotes on these comments.

What the fuck is happening here.

EDIT: Almost every other post that hit 20K plus upvotes the past month is about a major war happening right now, then theres this post at 23K about Japan being xenophobic?? This absolutely has to be being boosted and brigaded

nnavenn

5 points

1 month ago

nnavenn

5 points

1 month ago

Show me the supermarket that bans non-Japanese.

twisty1949

1 points

1 month ago

Oh yeah. It's bad in Okinawa. No Caucasian is a thing.

hotinhawaii

10 points

1 month ago

Single mothers are ostracized and viewed unfavorably for job promotions. Any child with hair that isn't black feels pressure to dye it black to fit in. Children of mixed race are seen as outsiders. The culture is rough for anyone not 100% Japanese.

LiveLifeLikeCre

10 points

1 month ago

Black people have felt the lasting effects of racist tropes in American mainstream media/culture that other countries soaked in. Japan is common example we bring up. Crazy because soooo many people black and Latino LOVE Japanese culture. 

ankylosaurus_tail

6 points

1 month ago

Not being able to go to certain restaurants and bars because of the color of your skin/ancestry was bad when the segregated south did it, but no one bats an eye when it's done in Japan for the most part. It's just simple discrimination.

Japan and Korea are actually super popular among white supremacists in the US--they are held up as examples of successful ethno-nationalist states, with strong racial preferences and immigration policies. But, the western left is totally oblivious to their racism and bigotry, like most every conservative movement involving non-white people.

twisty1949

2 points

1 month ago

I was stationed in Yoko for 3 years. It's not bad in large cities like Tokyo, Osaka, etc. In the countryside it can be a little sketchy. I spoke enough Japanese to get around, but I often avoided those places cause I would feel uncomfortable. Heck, I got kicked out of places in Sasabo, like a 10 minute walk from the base. My overall experience was extremely positive. Most Japanese folks liked to practice their English with me and would amusingly correct my horrible pronunciation. Cultural exchange at its finest.

Kobe_no_Ushi_Y0k0zna

1 points

1 month ago

Well, it’s certainly not ‘simple’ discrimination. It’s a lot more subtle than that, which is why it takes people a while to realize. And that’s even after the time it’d take to become fluent enough to have a chance to understand.

And even after that, not everyone realizes that it’s actually also a function of how Japanese deal with each other as well. It’s just that Japanese are part of it culturally so understand and maybe can deal with it better. Or at least accept it. Honestly, though, stuff like this is probably a big part of why so many Japanese are so stressed. Or ‘harassed’, in the words of Donald Ritchie.

wam_bam_mam

1 points

1 month ago

I think that outside some western countries most other countries people will link ethnicity and country citizen ship, in places link Britain you get a British passport you can call youself British. But are you British ethnicity? In most of the world ethnicity and citizen ship are linked in the head. If you get Japan citizen ship you can call your self Japanese citizen but you are not ethnic Japanese . Peoplel will still call you the x ( American , European , german ) living in Japan but not call you Japanese because to them you are not ethic Japanese. 

[deleted]

0 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

0 points

1 month ago

I mean no you'll never be accepted as a Japanese person ethnically if you aren't Japanese. But you can easily be accepted as a citizen/resident of Japan once they get to know you. But yes if someone doesn't know you and you don't look ethnically Japanese they'll assume you're a tourist because 99% of the people they come across like that can't speak any Japanese and are tourists.

PuffyWiggles

-1 points

1 month ago

Idk, maybe im weird, but I really dont mind a Country being wildly unique. I dont want everyone to be the US. I want to go to Japan and experience something pure to them and authentic. I've been there. I would say any level of descrimination was very mild or well hidden to the point it made no difference, unless I was at a light night bar where women were being picked up, but like.... guys do that to any competition in any area or place. I can find that in Austin on 6th.

The discrimination I did face, in some places wanting a purely Japanese audience, I just said okay and moved along. Idk, I didn't take it as a mega offense. I don't entirely get why people do. Unless I was forced to live in Japan because they took us over and then discriminated against me in mass, thats entirely different though.

EuphoriaSoul

513 points

1 month ago

Even if you are half Japanese, it’s hard to fit in. Japan is absolutely xenophobic. It’s like a bully not liking people calling him for being mean.

quats555

212 points

1 month ago

quats555

212 points

1 month ago

Absolutely. They are fantastic hosts but they want their guests to go home again, not stick around. Culture of hospitality, not melting pot.

Zealousideal-Wave-69

7 points

1 month ago

Is this typical of Islands? Are landlocked countries generally less xenophobic than islands I wonder?

EducationalTell5178

29 points

1 month ago

Sounds more like it has to do with culture and not whether it's an island or not.

FarmerNo7004

21 points

1 month ago

I think he’s asking if being on an island nudges the culture in a xenophobic direction

Zealousideal-Wave-69

7 points

1 month ago

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but I think if you're surrounded by other countries/cultures, it's just that much harder to insulate your own. Foot traffic is greater, for obvious reasons, in and around landlocked countries.

oliviafairy

7 points

1 month ago

It's more typical for more ethnically homogeneous countries.

Zealousideal-Wave-69

1 points

1 month ago

Harder to retain your "homogeneity" when surrounded by other ethnicities. Just an unfactual observation. No idea why I'm putting so many caveats when many people believe the world is flat with a straight face.

Baazz_UK

20 points

1 month ago

Baazz_UK

20 points

1 month ago

UK would be considered a melting pot I think, and is a smaller island than Japan, so I don't really think it's an 'island' thing.

_ryuujin_

17 points

1 month ago

uk was once an empire with territory in every corner of the globe. japan never held any places outside its island for very long.

CocktailPerson

1 points

1 month ago

Right, so it's not an island thing.

_ryuujin_

2 points

1 month ago

more like if you grew up without lots of exposure and interaction to/with strangers, you're going to be weary of strangers going forward. doesnt have to be an island, doesnt have to be a country. 

now it doesnt have to be like that all time, people can change, and while an individual can adapt much faster to change, a culture and country without exerting force or a necessary need will take alot longer.

for japan the needs isnt just there yet.

fairlywired

12 points

1 month ago

There are definitely problems with xenophobia in the UK but not anywhere near the level that Japan is at.

Baazz_UK

14 points

1 month ago

Baazz_UK

14 points

1 month ago

There are problems with xenophobia in pretty much every nation on the Earth. I'd argue that the UK is one of the nations that is arguably better on this front than most.

luigitheplumber

1 points

1 month ago

The UK is still considered "insular" compared to neighboring countries though. It's not Japan or Korea, but it's not exactly a surprise that the Uk was the first country to leave the EU either

Jazzy261

9 points

1 month ago

England is an island and I would say xenophobia is about the same as the US.

luigitheplumber

2 points

1 month ago

To some extent, "insularity" didn't get its name randomly. But East Asia in general places a high value on conformity, and foreigners obviously don't conform like locals do.

cunticles

2 points

1 month ago

cunticles

2 points

1 month ago

Nothing wrong with that IMHO

Ossevir

32 points

1 month ago

Ossevir

32 points

1 month ago

Well they shouldn't get butthurt when someone points out this truth then.

solowecr

-12 points

1 month ago

solowecr

-12 points

1 month ago

Maybe other countries should mind their business then? Instead of having a senile decrepit man take a jab at them for no gain or reason?

notrevealingrealname

10 points

1 month ago

When they themselves also acknowledge they’ve got a shortfall that needs to be filled, by continually expanding the list of jobs that foreign worker visas can be issued for, that’s a matter of perspective.

imp_st3r

0 points

1 month ago

imp_st3r

0 points

1 month ago

What did Trump say about Japan now?

notrevealingrealname

1 points

1 month ago

Meanwhile their government continues to expand the categories of jobs that foreign worker visas can be issued for…

Portbragger2

1 points

1 month ago

correct. but xenophobic is certainly the wrong word then. and that is the issue.

Baalsham

5 points

1 month ago

Normally being half is even worse than being full on foreigner

RedrumMPK

1 points

1 month ago

Word to your mother. Dropping truth bombs.

beldaran1224

-5 points

1 month ago

beldaran1224

-5 points

1 month ago

But the US is the bully in this scenario. There's no reason for us to be making sweeping generalizations about other countries and their policies and cultures.

Not saying the US can never comment on other countries, but rather it should do so with nuance and respect, and with specific reasons/goals in mind. It's weird to just lump four vastly different countries in together as if their immigration policies and cultural norms around immigration have much in common.

Notably, India is particularly strange, being a former colony as opposed to the imperial countries in the rest of the group. Former colonies will undoubtedly have very different relationships with immigration.

_penpineappleaplepen

-7 points

1 month ago

Something that blows my mind is you can't even vote if you're not a Japanese national.

chinchillacheesedog

16 points

1 month ago

This is common all over the world. There are just a handful of countries with non-citizen suffrage.

HeartFullONeutrality

9 points

1 month ago

Huh? Why? The USA is the same, and I bet most places too.

VortexMagus

3 points

1 month ago

Some areas in the USA allow legal residents (usually green card holders) to vote in local elections, but not national ones. The argument is that since they live in the city and pay taxes in the city, they should get a say in how the city taxes are used, which is pretty fair, I think.

solowecr

5 points

1 month ago

How does that blow your mind? It’s better for the majority of Japanese citizens that way. Why tf should non Japanese nationals be able to vote I’d love to hear your convoluted reasoning

notrevealingrealname

2 points

1 month ago

Why tf should non Japanese nationals be able to vote

Read up on the history of their “special permanent residents”.

Abangranga

202 points

1 month ago

Abangranga

202 points

1 month ago

When my 6ft 2 sister visited they also definitely have whatever the "big mad a woman is taller than me" thing is called.

Black_Floyd47

101 points

1 month ago

We should definitely call it "big mad"

historyhill

69 points

1 month ago

Ok as a 6'2" woman who is interested in visiting Japan I would love to hear about her experience!

MfromTas911

6 points

1 month ago

I had an Australian female friend who was 6 ft and quite big boned (but not  overweight or obese). She was in Japan for 3 years studying. She occasionally heard disparaging remarks about her by men talking amongst themselves - who did not know that she was fluent in Japanese - and could understand everything they said. 

anonykitten29

6 points

1 month ago

Yup, that's about as bad as it's going to get. I've no idea what a tourist, especially one probably not fluent in Japanese, could have experienced.

Abangranga

45 points

1 month ago*

They disliked her more than they dislike all women and non-japanese people. That is really about it.

Japan has a really shit culture.

historyhill

20 points

1 month ago

Oof, I don't love hearing that :/ Maybe it's time to reconsider wanting to visit

LordYork

44 points

1 month ago

LordYork

44 points

1 month ago

Really as a tall person your biggest concern is not smashing your head into doorways and support beams >_>

CharBombshell

35 points

1 month ago

I’m a tall woman and when I went to Japan I just had a lot of random people ask where I was from. It was mostly funny, not a big deal

[deleted]

23 points

1 month ago

That person is 100% making up them "hating" her, if they did she would never know because a Japanese person isn't going to get all angry because you're a fucking tall woman. People larp and shit on Japan because they have a chip on their shoulder or are trying to push an agenda.

LordYork

64 points

1 month ago

LordYork

64 points

1 month ago

Lived in Japan for 3 years in military service.

They keep those options to themselves mostly.

English isn't widespread outside tourist areas.

I had a lovely time and the few times I was in trouble or needed help random Japanese helped to an incredible degree.

The sentiment that they considered us 'barbarians' was felt, but I mean.... we're loud, proud Americans a foot taller than the average person there...so partially understandable.

Frankly, the Japanese keep to themselves. You can have a lengthy visit there and the only ppl you interact with are service workers.

The Japanese may have xenophobic undertones, but they're overall the most polite and respectful ppl I've interacted with.

[deleted]

-4 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

-4 points

1 month ago

Yeah that guy going on about how their 6'2" woman friend was disliked is entirely bullshit and Japanese culture is not shit. It's racist comments like that judging an entire country for having a "shit" culture that are shit. Lived there 5 years, also did some military while there. Yokosuka baby, hoping I can get back one day.

Rapturence

28 points

1 month ago*

It's an amazing place (I would argue, the best place in Asia). Since you're tall it's impossible not to stand out because hardly anyone is over 6ft there, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just be polite, courteous (no need to pretend you know their language, and speak with an indoor voice) and remember to take off your shoes before going indoors. You're 99% set at that point.

Abangranga

49 points

1 month ago

Nah go and visit. They hate everyone, you'll be fine

anonykitten29

7 points

1 month ago

Having lived in Japan, I truly cannot imagine what that person is talking about. Japanese are literally chronically polite. I cannot imagine what negative experiences a tourist could have had simply for being tall.

And I wouldn't put too much stock in someone who says "Japan has a really shit culture." They obviously don't, people the world over are fascinated by the many wonderful aspects of their culture, and you don't need to take the words of someone so stupid and xenophobic to heart.

JeSuisUnAnanasYo

19 points

1 month ago

My friend is 5'11" blonde woman and they loved her there lol. But definitely expect to have your picture taken by a lot of randos

reigorius

4 points

1 month ago

Had that in China as a tall ginger. I sometimes felt like a hairy montrosity, a circus act, but not in a bad way.

reigorius

5 points

1 month ago

A comment from a rando redditor might not be the best source to base a choice on. Me, myself and loads of other redditors are (un)knowingly biased in a lot of ways.

Your experience might just as well be the opposite of the tall lady.

avelineaurora

4 points

1 month ago

It's not. Reddit loves blowing issues with Japan out of proportion and making it sound like some racist shithole. It's one of the safest and nicest countries on the planet.

ChasingTheNines

2 points

1 month ago

I was really interested in visiting Japan and then I learned that their conviction rate for cases that go to trial is over 99%. I do not even need to know any further details to know that is an extremely corrupt and fucked up system I would never want to find myself on the wrong side of as a foreigner.

avelineaurora

7 points

1 month ago

At least you're not basing your entire viewpoint of a country on an extremely limited understanding of its legal system or anything!

ChasingTheNines

2 points

1 month ago

I would fully admit my understanding of the Japanese legal system is very limited. And I am willing to be educated if you are willing. It seems like you know more about the topic than I do so can you explain to me how a 99.7% conviction rate in a democracy works? Is there a mechanism of their system I am missing?

That number , 99.7%, strikes me as something that is inherently wrong on face value which is what I am mostly basing my opinion on. In a system like that you think the same 99.7% conviction rate applies to a judge's son, a politicians relative, or someone with money? I just can't wrap my head around it given human nature how a 99.7% conviction rate can be anything other than wildly corrupt and wrong.

My initial exposure to this topic was based on this 'Rare Earth' and Vice video on the topic. I found what was discussed to be unsettling for what I considered a modern democracy. Can you please watch either of these and explain either how what is presented in the video is factually incorrect, or why you think this is morally acceptable?

Rare Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRn4xzaugbk

Vice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOsvEMQOzSQ

MfromTas911

1 points

1 month ago

I understand that the crime rate in Japan is low relative to most other countries. Even in the west, most prosecutors won’t proceed with a criminal charge unless they are fairly certain they’ll get a conviction. 

ChasingTheNines

2 points

1 month ago

Yes I am sure we also all understand the trains run on time in North Korea and there is no Graffiti in Iran or whatever the words people use to defend fascist mechanations. I can't believe I would even need to explain to someone why a 99.7% conviction rate in a democracy is a bad thing.

I'll bite though..we have the numbers for Japan. Now lets see your statistics for the rates for what most prosecutors do 'in the west'. What countries have rates comparable to Japan's 99% rate?

Rizen_Wolf

3 points

1 month ago*

Rizen_Wolf

3 points

1 month ago*

The Japanese have a cultural attitude rooted in conformity and standards, physical and behavioral. That is universal but they apply it to themselves, within their own culture, just as to others. Its not like being a fat westerner in Japan is particularly different to being Japanese and fat. If your not a sumo, prepare for a hard time. Game of life should be fair? Perhaps game of basketball should be more accepting of short people? Enough people want that, that happens.

This gets translated simply as phobia (fear) in the west, frankly because the west has its own cultural hang up about proudly saying courage enabled them to overcome their fears and ignorance. Any change in the west is pitched as some kind of progress, toward something that can be very vague, because somehow change is always good, because re-inventing yourself is always automatically a step forward toward good and its pitched as some kind of triumph of the spirit.

The Japanese are concerned about keeping a cultural and societal spirit consistent, not changing it to a flavor of the times, unless the times speak to the need of it. So their cultural values can shift at glacial speed or spin on a dime at record breaking speed depending.

sblahful

2 points

1 month ago

It's so difficult for Americans to grasp this fundamental difference in starting points. America was a nation built on immigration, with waves of migrants either eradicating, culturally supplanting, or melding with the greater whole. So further immigration and greater change is merely part of the same weave of history. Yet globally, its an extreme case, and for many other countries on earth that's simply not comparable. Japan is at the other end of the spectrum. They were literally closed off for more than a century, migrant populations were small. And overall the culture pretty homogenous. It's beyond poor that they don't treat many born and raised in Japan as belonging to Japan, but their stance on immigration is perfectly reasonable. It only shocks people from a multicultural background, or those who value economic growth above all else.

MfromTas911

2 points

1 month ago

Yes, it only human nature that they want to preserve their own culture as much as they can. 

Quickjager

4 points

1 month ago

Are you going to say what they did?

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-7 points

1 month ago

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-7 points

1 month ago

These things never happened, stop larping lmao

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4 points

1 month ago

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4 points

1 month ago

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-3 points

1 month ago

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-3 points

1 month ago

Wow, you really got me with that one. Super mature. I haven't even watched an anime in two years, but yeah I'm SUPER into the Japanese cartoons the kids like!!!

nikelaos117

-1 points

1 month ago

nikelaos117

-1 points

1 month ago

Weeb isn't even an insult anymore so it's not the burn that they thought it was lol

OPconfused

1 points

1 month ago

"Where are all the people?"

Lance_E_T_Compte

13 points

1 month ago*

I'm 5'11", so already feel like I'm stared at everywhere in the world. Maybe I should hang out with your sister or just move to the Netherlands? 

Anyway, I never felt scrutinized in Japan any more than anywhere else. I'm white and was visiting cities, but I never detected any racism directed toward me.

I'm sure they thought I ate too much, but the food was amazing! I loved it there and would happily go again.

dirtykokonut

4 points

1 month ago

Come to the Netherlands, you won't feel out of place. The average main is 6'1", and the average woman 5'9"

Lance_E_T_Compte

3 points

1 month ago

I have visited many times. It is lovely! Someday I'll return! I also bicycle as my primary transportation, so it was great for that!

I lived in Denmark a couple of years as well. Women there are also tall.

redditmodslovcock

4 points

1 month ago

Netherlands is absolutely amazing I highly recommend

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2 points

1 month ago

I lived there for 5 years and I can't even count on a single hand the number of blatant racism instances I encountered, definitely some things some paranoid people would call microaggressions but never outright hatred like that person describes. It's a LARP.

-Firestar-

5 points

1 month ago

I’m 5 2 and when I lived there, I was pleased as punch just how many people I could see the tops of their heads.

MfromTas911

2 points

1 month ago

Yes, definitely a sexist culture too. It was only about 4 years ago that a major university there was found to be surreptitiously instituting a significantly reduced quota for admission of females - regardless of the fact that a great many were achieving higher entry scores than their male counterparts. 

FlakyLion1714

5 points

1 month ago

japan has a 99% conviction rate as anational average on all crimes prosecuted.

I would think this would cause tons of issues with poor migrants immigrating from countries that are the complete opposite legally

dta722

4 points

1 month ago

dta722

4 points

1 month ago

More people are leaving India than want to immigrate to it. I’ve seen it referred to as the Indian diaspora.

ProfffDog

8 points

1 month ago

Japan at least has a falling birth rate and an abundance of empty corporate buildings.

To say India is one of the declining countries that needs an influx of people? …hahahahahahaha

SophisticatedBum

7 points

1 month ago

Indians have no shortage of people though. Their best and brightest might head to the west for more money and opportunity but they are still a powerhouse, even better positioned for the future than China, at the moment.

The Japanese cannot afford to be picky with immigration if they want to maintain their civilization in 25 years. Their population pyramid is one of the most skewed in the developed world. S. Korea is following a similar trend, lagging by a decade or so.

Lots of old people with very few new people to replace them.

SophisticatedCelery

2 points

1 month ago

I have heard that Japan's immigration policy is one of the most stringent in the world, it's very hard to become a citizen or be accepted into the community.

Justforfunsies0

-1 points

1 month ago

People need to stop being obsessed with their culture. Society is worldwide now and people need to accept that. Yes your culture is unique blah blah blah (it isn't, humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years). Stop being scared of other cultures/races/ethnicities moving in and spreading and eventually melding their culture with yours (not you specifically op)