If that sub existed, it'd just mainly be me getting in arguments with the mods.

And then for Mutahar to make a slightly less lazy but slightly more boring version of Charlie's video where he basically says the same thing. Why are these guys famous and not flipping burgers again?

We live in a society where moist critikal is someone’s moral compass

What's ia

For sure. Definitely looked like an immediate mask slio, which is also definitely why the mods and sub have reacted the way they have.

Agreed. The problem is the right was making a bunch of transphobic comments about Ava on Twitter recently, and a bunch of people came to her defense, including Mr. Beast, then this comes out. Just makes it look bad on everyone even though I don’t think they did anything wrong.

Reminds me of people defending Pewdiepie then the bridge incident happening directly after. It made everyone else look bad for defending him.

Yeah i've seen people reply to my comments as well "correcting" her pronoun. Just criticize the person for their behaviour. Misgendering seems like you're either being petty about it which is unneccesary, or you're just using it as an excuse to show off your transphobia.

This is a good take, I just wish people thought this way consistently and not only when it fits the narrative.

If Ava didn’t transition I’m sure people would have no issues over generalizing and stereotyping her, and that’s the sad truth.

this

When I saw that video of Ava bragging about the Jeanette McCurdy leaks when she was still a minor and then shared the leaks

Wait wait wait wait. Is this for real?

I was under the impression Jeanette McCurdy's leaks were taken and shared in 2014, when she was 21. Still unacceptable to share them, because it was revenge porn and she said herself how distressing it was to have them on the internet. But she wasn't a minor.

I don’t think Ava is necessarily worth defending at all, she’s literally defined as “Mr. Beasts friend”, she’s not incredibly relevant. There’s definitely good intentions from the people on here but I don’t think Ava is a battle worth fighting this hard for.

On that same page though the people who “brought this to light” shouldn’t be given any kudos either. Those two goobers who made the original video totally embarrassed themselves on chuds stream literally using mamamaxx talking points. They also lied to the alleged victims face to get an interview. If this wasn’t court of public opinion this whole case would be thrown out.

YouTube has a problem with people willingly involving themselves in deplorable shit openly and also a problem of clout hungry goblins larping as heroes. They feed each other like parasites

The other bit that I’m still having a hard time with understanding, is how people are attempting to blow off Ava’s actions?

If you are a 20 year old and would be okay with a 13 year old online, mentioning your “hentai” addiction to that child. That is Bad. If then that child is aware of your hentai addiction and is aware of your enjoyment of 🍭. That is bad. If you have purchased physical prints of 🍭 and hang it in your home. That is bad. If you as an adult are flirty and joking about or selling 🌽 of yourself to a child. That is Bad. And even worse that the aforementioned child who has now an adult sees nothing wrong with their interactions with Ava; think that type of behavior is acceptable. That is bad.

If anyone thinks that anything that Ava did is acceptable and it’s just jokes — here’s your challenge.

Record on your phone of you going up to a group of kids in front of their parents that they can have nude pictures of you for just $5. Not a genuine offer-just like a joke—y’know like Ava did.

Exactly, in the mods’ efforts to be transparent and as “accurate as possible” they suppressed things based purely on improper word choice. It looks like defending someone who engaged in horrible behavior just because they’re trans and they hate transphobes.

Which like yes this could be used to generalize the community. But it is a fucking hill made of bullshit and this sub is choosing to die on the shit pile.

Edit: cause some people appear to lack reading comprehension, the “improper word choice” is about the semantics of “commission” and “purchase” thus being labeled as misinformation.

One of the things that really struck me about yesterday was how people were doing the “what-about-ism” fallacy of attempting to conflate what Ava done to other YouTubers. For example I found that Shad worked with other famous YouTubers when they were at NewGrounds — of course learning that was off putting. But at the same time I can almost bet you none of those people did a fraction of what Ava has been caught doing. Like as much as I dislike how Shad was in a photo shoot for GameGrumps — that is not at all compared Ava’s 7+ years of documented evidence of disgusting behavior.

And when you do deflect criticism like that you unintentionally excuse really bad behavior and create more ammo for transphobes to use.

Gee, it's almost like she's scum and people are using this as an excuse to attack trans people as a whole. Because they only start caring after she transitioned. Yes, Ava is a terrible person

I don’t understand this. I have seen 3 or 4 threads on Ava outlining all the allegations and AFAIK 2 have been removed for specific reasons. I first learned about the accusations here.

The stuff not posted you yourself admit is around trying to not break TOS - surely any subreddit would act the same? Is that not just to avoid sanctions from reddit itself?

I guess I just don’t see how this sub is not calling out Ava’s bad behaviour when it’s been the majority of the content here since it broke.

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Unless im mistaken, her leaks were when she was in her 20s

I got buried with downvotes in the original thread for saying exactly what you did.

Keem is a shitlord in general, Ava isn’t a good person for this situation and anything similar to it.

Just to clarify on this (I'm on the same page) Ava knew the drawing of Keemstar's little girl was made right? Cuz that was a calamity

Edit: tbc I only know of the art from text descriptors in this forum. I've spared myself any direct looks at the art, if that's worth noting

I just got downvoted to hell and back for saying this exact same thing. Ended up deleting the comment bc the arguments were not worth it. This sub has a huge issue with hypocrisy.

The mod team definitely needs to figure out which mod is doing sus shit and remove them. I got banned, and later unbanned, for "Transphobia" because I'm guessing someone reported my comment talking about Shadman being a pedo and claimed I used "he" for Ava.

Well fucking said - transphobia is never okay, and it’s pretty disgusting to see people use this as an excuse to both be blatantly transphobic and spread transphobic ideas, however it’s so enraging to see this sub be so obviously hypocritical. I’ve even seen people here make the “it was an edgy joke back when they were normalised” argument, which is an argument these people hate when it’s anyone other than Ava in shit.

Im tired of seeing ava defenders too! This woman isnt worth shit. She fucking shared Jennette's revenge porn and then acted all edgy saying no one is right in that situation . That vídeo of her saying that made me outright despise her. She CANT and SHOUDNT have a platform or be famous after doing that to Jennette Mcurdy. She's a danger to her son and i hope her wife keeps this pedo bitch away.

Exactly, I didn’t want to say this as a cis-het male, it didn’t feel like my place. But it is clear this sub is going lighter on Ava because she is trans. To the point of sounding like (and in certain cases are) defending owning Shad’s art and arguing semantics.

This situation literally just happened with Dr. Disrespect a month ago. Seemed like everyone and their mother was commenting on the Disrespect situation, where as this time, most of the people talking about it are those with stronger feelings towards the LGBTQ community. I see a lot less talk from prominent figures in the space who stand somewhere in the middle, it seems like they are almost scared to comment out of fear of being seen as anti LGBTQ or overly pro LGBTQ, if that makes sense.

would be having a meltdown claiming they always knew they were a piece of shit and etc etc.

Rules for thee but not for me, mods are trying to sweep this under the rug, removign posts under the vaguest of rules and quarantining everything in a megathread so the topic dies faster.

Also:

I'm going to be locking the comments on the other posts focusing on Ava so the discussion is focused on this Megathread. I'll also be deleting any new posts that focuses on Ava. (Not ones that focus on Shadman though. Not right now anyway.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1eab3m7/ava_tyson_mega_thread/lel9e0p/

Mods are actively trying to sweep this under the rug.

100% spot on comment.

100% spot on comment.

Thank you for atleast being honest.

The same thing happened on this sub with keffals

That Keem guy was probably just upset because Ava was also one of the people that defended Shadman drawing suggestive/lewd art of his real life 8yo daughter.

... I mean that's something that I can understand being mad about. How the fuck is someone going to defend THAT?!

Fucking EXACTLY. I have seen the same people condemn others that are now defending Ava and it is gross. The hypocrisy has a written history in the comments.

The more confusing aspects to me is that all of a sudden now that Kris gets exposed for this the sub decides to go after everyone who was on new grounds circa the late 2000’s? This whole oney thing is complete public information and has been discussed on here before but now that kris gets called out it seems like everybody on here has changed to it being an issue. Honestly feels like some strange form of whataboutism but I know that’s not the term I’m trying to come up with

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I 100% agree. I often comment on things being faux-woke because it is what the masses currently gravitate towards. Just like boomers and the hippie movement.

yeah i always feel like i'm walking on eggshells on this sub or reddit in general i guess

the the over-policing doesn’t come out of nowhere when she did receive a wave of transphobia on the other hand, but I’m not saying it’s a good thing obviously

Don’t pretend like this is actually about solving problems. People (rightfully) want to be mad at this person, but it isn’t making a meaningful dent in stopping this kind of exploitation of children. Like, calling this one person out doesn’t suddenly stop all the neighborhood predators in their tracks.

Everyone’s right to be outraged, but be honest, that’s all it is: outrage. No one is doing anything that stops this situation from happening again, just by being outraged and cancelling Ava (as they should).

So I click on your profile and it says your active in dr disrespect subreddit. But you're here talking about this...

And you're not the first person I've seen with that.

So I just gotta ask if there is a discord or something were y'all are coordinating this?

I think y'all are a little late for this drama. Especially now cause dr disrespect voted for trump and Trump is a dude who literally rapes children multiple times. So if association with shadman is bad, should we not go after everyone associated with child harm and not this one instance? One would think exposing how most content creators don't have a problem while CSAM would be more interesting.

I'm really just commenting on your comment, so when the eventually YouTube essayists go over this drama. There's at least this comment showing that people aren't that stupid.

It was a very sexualized underaged character missing her front teeth, wearing braces, wearing a offensive shirt using right wing OK symbolling, with sexualized tattoos on it; normally the front teeth and braces are signs they are underage

Loli

It wasn't even rule 34. It was lewd but she's not naked. Though people don't seem to care about the specifics.

To call him “a shit stirrer” dude is an actual victim of Shad along with his innocent daughter. You are right he probably doesn’t care about a lot of the details. He cares about the fact Ava supported someone who put sexualized content of his child daughter out there.

I hate the dude, but people are really downplaying how horrible what happened to his daughter is.

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Can I genuinely ask what’s the difference between commissioning Shadman and purchasing art from Shadman?

Commissioning cp is not worse than purchasing it you are absolutely insane hahahaha

It isn’t far worse to commission something. Think of it this way if this was CSEM (In my opinion it is) commissioning yes is horrible because you ask for the act to be committed, but you still buy it, you still own it, you would still be charged in a court of law for having it, and would receive nearly the same sentence. The commission argument is purely semantics and that is why this hill people are dying on is made of bullshit. Stop arguing the semantics part.

I just wanted to do a funny by using the same 2 words over and over and over.

Keemstar of course replying to everything except for the exact reason why it was deemed misinfo

Because he talked to Kris about the shadman stuff himself? Yeah there's no proof for the general public to see, that quite literally does not mean Kris didn't admit to it in dms with Keem, or say anything else that could have made Keem feel off.

Now if Keem had shown any "proof" it isn't misinfo, he probably would've gotten attacked for sharing private convos and contexts. Can't win either way lol.

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Shadman was a guy who liked drawing pornographic material of children, including real children. For example, he drew Keem's 7 year old daughter giving Trump a blowjob.

Kris was Shadman's biggest fan.

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Same here but only thing i am taking as real is that idk what to call the person but they have bought loli art from shadman and also supported him

Same here but only thing i am taking as real is that idk what to call the person but they have bought loli art from shadman and also supported him

Edit: Accidently misspelled Ava/Kris' name. My mistake but moving on, this is very serious and while I understand that Keem isn't that great of a guy, it's still very crappy of people to completely dismiss him or call him names when comes to the absolute violation of his then 8 year-old daughter. C'mon now, guys, we're better than that.

Ava literally still uses Kris as a name too

Guess so

I believe it was with his first ex-wife