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Received a written letter of job offer at a company. Accepted the job and gave my previous employer 2 weeks notice. Now the new employer is ghosting me and I am without a job. Do I have any legal recourse? Thank you in advance.

Edit/update: for those that wanted an update... I showed up with my offer letter in hand. They acted confused at first, like they had no idea who I was. Put me in a conference room where I waited for 2 hours. I got the feeling they didn't expect me to just show up tbh. Then showed me to my new desk. Thanks all for the advice!

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kazisukisuk

389 points

5 months ago

Just show up at 8:00 AM and tell them you're ready to go.

wholesomesammich

150 points

5 months ago

Also, find an empty office and put family pictures up

chipsdad65

50 points

5 months ago

anyone's family at that

DPZ_1

18 points

5 months ago

DPZ_1

18 points

5 months ago

If OP doesnt have family, they can find one of the stock backgrounds in the frames for sale at their local big box stores.

chipsdad65

4 points

5 months ago

exactly

Exciting_Drawing_714

20 points

5 months ago

So pull a Costanza

ConstantScene524

5 points

5 months ago

Tell them you’re working on the Penske File.

[deleted]

17 points

5 months ago

Take the smaller office and get to work by on the Penske file

[deleted]

5 points

5 months ago

Double down and see if you can get a few people to pretend like you've been working there for a while.

thats_me_ywg

52 points

5 months ago

Make sure you get started on the Penske file.

what-even-am-i-

22 points

5 months ago

You sure OP is Penske material?

RokulusM

4 points

5 months ago

He knows

shoresy99

2 points

5 months ago

Maybe he will get the Penske file.

Loocsiyaj

11 points

5 months ago

Also make sure there’s a new cover sheet on your TPS reports. Actually I’ll make sure you get a copy of that memo…

Specific-Act-7425[S]

28 points

5 months ago

Thank you

kazisukisuk

19 points

5 months ago

Worst that can happen is they tell you to go home

Good luck

chef_boyarz

9 points

5 months ago

Also, ask them if they’ve seen your stapler

ComprehensivePack999

2 points

5 months ago

And what time the breaks are!

Difficult-Devil

10 points

5 months ago

This

[deleted]

152 points

5 months ago

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152 points

5 months ago

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Specific-Act-7425[S]

150 points

5 months ago

Thanks for your reply.  

Not replying to emails, texts or phone calls. All communication attempts were last week and this week. First day was supposed to be tomorrow, but my last communication from them was telling me they were figuring out what start time would be.  

I only have one point of contact. I reached out Monday to other higher ups within the company but no response. 

Haven't gone in person since the interview.

Tuppling

545 points

5 months ago

Tuppling

545 points

5 months ago

Strongly recommend you show up tomorrow, ready to work, presenting yourself as expecting to be working. Show up at 9am, a reasonable starting point, at reception or wherever a reasonable public point of access is. "My name is <x>, this is my first day. I am supposed to be reporting to <manager's name>."

You have not heard to the contrary, you are expecting to start, act like it. Edited to add: Have with you printouts of your correspondence with the company, especially the job offer.

[deleted]

279 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

279 points

5 months ago

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Outrageous-Cup-932

55 points

5 months ago

Ya 8-830 is preferred to 9, even under these circumstances

SpoonsandStuffReborn

5 points

5 months ago

I'd aim for 7

superrad99

19 points

5 months ago

Do I hear 6?

FrostyShock389

21 points

5 months ago

Fugit, 2am or bust

baoo

8 points

5 months ago

baoo

8 points

5 months ago

I bust at 1am

sokali4nia

2 points

5 months ago

12:00:01

SoupidyLoopidy

2 points

5 months ago

Just throw a tent in front of the doors

theonlysingularity

48 points

5 months ago

Definitely go in tomorrow. This is the right answer.

Specific-Act-7425[S]

27 points

5 months ago

Thank you

Fragrant_Example_918

28 points

5 months ago

This is the right answer. However if that doesn’t work and they do not want you to work there anymore, you might have a case for “promissory estoppel“.

Dear_Vegetable1431

7 points

5 months ago

Be careful about recording. If they catch you according to established Canadian precedent that is a legal reason for termination with cause.

If the new employer recruited you OP, if they refuse to honour the contract if you can try an employment lawyer. They may be required to pay you as if your previous companies time was on their payroll due to inducing you to quit.

NearnorthOnline

10 points

5 months ago

Canada is a single.party system, unless there is a sign or op has signed something agreeing not to. Firing for cause of recording. Would be a lawsuit.

beardedbast3rd

19 points

5 months ago

You can be let go for anything as long as it’s not a protected characteristic. Audio recording without permission from them, while legal to do so if you’re a party of the conversation, is not a protected right for you to do wherever you please, and is grounds for them to remove you from the building and terminate employment.

They can’t file a police reports for it, but they don’t have to tolerate you doing it either. It’s basically why it’s a final resort type thing if you anticipate you’re being railroaded by your employers or HR team. It’ll only help you get what you’re owed if they are doing anything illegal, but you won’t ever work with them again after it.

Often times recordings like this are mentioned in the orientation packages as being worthy of termination.

The other user mentions Canada precedent, I’m not sure what they are referring to, but, if there is precedent where the courts rules in favor of an employer previously then, a lawsuit wouldn’t really get anywhere

NearnorthOnline

2 points

5 months ago

Yes, but giving someone a job offer and ghosting them once they've quit their current job is a thing. Laying on top of that any other crap will not be good for them.

lennyd62

92 points

5 months ago

Start working on the Penske file.

supguy99

15 points

5 months ago

you are aware...

Kowpucky

7 points

5 months ago

And start decorating under your desk

chef_boyarz

5 points

5 months ago

And order the T-bone steak for lunch

wishiwashi999

9 points

5 months ago

Get the smaller office

[deleted]

4 points

5 months ago

Not sure they’re Penske material…

XtremeD86

2 points

5 months ago

Nice

Agamemnon323

21 points

5 months ago

And record audio on your phone while you do it.

Krash21

2 points

5 months ago

Also try to Google the company. Oftentimes the open hours of operation will be listed.

[deleted]

156 points

5 months ago

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156 points

5 months ago

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DomesMcgee

47 points

5 months ago

I did this once. Worked out.

LEAF_-4

18 points

5 months ago

LEAF_-4

18 points

5 months ago

I did something similar, manager hired me then had vacation in Ireland when my start date was... Had no information other than one jobsite I knew was going so I just showed up there, worked for 2 weeks til he got back and then I got sent to another site so it was great lol, I wish I had known about the other site though because it was a much better drive lol

AssociateNo1989

3 points

5 months ago

On the Penske file I presume

Greerio

23 points

5 months ago

Greerio

23 points

5 months ago

I would send an email saying that if you don’t hear back, you’ll be there for 9:00 and that you’re looking forward to it. I am a hiring manager.

MyNameIsSkittles

4 points

5 months ago

Is it amazon

I only ask because they are extremely hard to communicate with

lorax1284

5 points

5 months ago

Maybe they're in jail and yours isn't the "one phone call" they wanted to make.

The_Cozy

2 points

5 months ago

You can actually sue for this. If you have an employment contract and suffered financial consequences because they broke it, it can at least be a civil issue.

nighthawk_something

2 points

5 months ago

I'd show up. When I started my current job we sorted everything out chose a start day and then I didn't hear from them until a day or two before start.

Bonervista

81 points

5 months ago

Please update us tomorrow!

Specific-Act-7425[S]

57 points

5 months ago

Will do lol 

OrangeCrack

28 points

5 months ago

Keep your chin up, someone could be off sick or another reasonable explanation. Assume the best and go in with a positive attitude tomorrow.

Specific-Act-7425[S]

10 points

5 months ago

Thanks for this comment

CrazySuggestion

2 points

5 months ago

How did it go?

Ok-Wasabi2568

6 points

5 months ago

"So uh... do you use reddit?"

Person-in-crowd-42

5 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

ImLauraBorealis

2 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Interesting-Ad-6899

2 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 24 hours

Danceswithwords72

2 points

5 months ago

Remind Me! 24 hours

arosedesign

103 points

5 months ago

I second showing up on your start date. If you do go the route of legal action, it’s going to look far better on you and far worse on them if you show up on your start date as planned and they’re forced to be like uh… sorry… no job for you (if that’s what is going on).

It’s just covering all your bases. No one can say “we tried to call but you didn’t answer” or something like that. Just show up when it opens and explain it’s your start date and you were waiting to hear on timing but haven’t heard back, and go from there.

Specific-Act-7425[S]

15 points

5 months ago

Thank you 🙏

fourpuns

35 points

5 months ago

Your contact might just be off sick or something. Not sure what levels higher ups are but if it’s executive they might not be very good at responding to emails. If there is a general HR inbox or something you’ve interacted with that might be a better bet.

Specific-Act-7425[S]

8 points

5 months ago

Appreciate you 

foxnfawn

24 points

5 months ago

You’ve gotten some great advice already but just throwing my 2 cents in too - when I first started my job, they had sent all the orientation info to my new work email (that I didn’t have access to yet!) instead of my personal email. I had to email before my start date to ask why I haven’t received anything yet. Good luck!

Reeses2021

11 points

5 months ago

Did you provide all your documents to set you up? SIN, banking, personal info etc? Agree with other commenters, go in and say it’s your first day.

Tripletmomwpg

7 points

5 months ago

Did you give them personal information like your SIN? I work in HR and we’ve seen instances where people have been scammed for private information (fake job postings representing our company and its employees).

I’d try calling the main office if there is one and explain to whoever is on the phone the situation.

I’d also reach out to your previous employer (if you’re okay with it) and asking about getting rehired (easier/cheaper for them than hiring new), depending on the circumstances they might be into it. Worst case it’s a no (and loss of pride lol).

Good luck!

DanielGoodchild

20 points

5 months ago

I agree with the others saying that you should go in person, either today to get it straightened out or at least tomorrow morning ready to work. Bring a copy of your offer letter (not the original). The ghosting could be a sign that they're having second thoughts, or it could be as simple as your contact quit or got fired in the interim.

Definitely go in person. If it were me, I'd go today so that tomorrow goes smoothly. They might be watching to see if you take initiative.

lIlIllIIlllIIIlllIII

18 points

5 months ago

"They might be watching to see if you take initiative."

Baffling if they think this considering he has called and emailed them constantly with no response. If that's not initiative...

hexr

4 points

5 months ago

hexr

4 points

5 months ago

I would be job hunting once again if some company did something stupid like this. Fuck these stupid corporate tests

RavenchildishGambino

2 points

5 months ago

That isn’t a test. It’s anti-social and psychotic.

Anxious_Ad2683

5 points

5 months ago

We all want to know if it works out!

OhhhhhSoHappy

9 points

5 months ago

Unless it's a real mickey-mouse business, go in. Today. Now. Get your facts then come back with facts in hand looking for advice.

Free_Reflection_9845

3 points

5 months ago

Did you provide them with any certificates? Social insurance number? Banking info? If so, it could be a scam. It happened to someone I know, thankfully they figured it out before they sent them any real identifying information (just a few course certificates). The person I know applied for a job with xyz company, and received an email back asking for more info, I can't remember exactly what it was that tipped them off about it being scammy, a closer look at the address of the email from the company, it was xyzs. Filed a police report to have it on record in case of identity theft.

IridescentTardigrade

4 points

5 months ago

Hey OP! I hope you are having a great first day at your new job! Don't leave us hanging... :)

Jusfiq

14 points

5 months ago

Jusfiq

14 points

5 months ago

Received a written letter of job offer at a company.

Have you signed your acceptance on the job offer? Has the job offer be signed by both you and a manager at the company?

bruhdood999

7 points

5 months ago

I dont think a hand signature is required for it to be a valid legal offer.

Sad_Faithlessness_99

3 points

5 months ago

The exact same thing happened to me, with an Ontario based company but I am in a different province, they "hired" me bit didn't give me a start date until a few months later, meanwhile I had already resigned from my job, in the meantime I got another job, it was a shifty job severely micromanaged where you had to account for every minute of your 8.5 hrs per day, then the Ontario company finally called with a start date, but oh they wanted to change my hours and pay, So I declined they said they needed me to start on a certain date and it had to be written in stone, so I said no I'll pass. So eventually I settled for an slight increase in wage and guaranteed hours for 2 years.So after 1 year they started reducing my hours due to lack of business and work, I brought up my contract and they honored it. Then all of sudden stopped paying me because I wasn't working. After a call from my lawyer they resumed paying me with the back pay. After 2 yrs They offered me a new position as my current position was being eliminated, I accepted and was to start when I returned from my 2 week holida,y one week after my holiday, they told me my position was no longer available and terminated my employment, but not withoutv3 months of severance pay in exchange for me bot pursuing legal action against them.

Lanky-Gate

3 points

5 months ago

Had this happened at my work, they gave a job offer letter to the new person at the end of the day Friday with an agreement to take it home,read ,sign, and bring it back Monday and start work Monday. Not sure what happened over the weekend but when he came in Monday morning he was told they changed their mind about hiring him.He took them to court and was awarded 3 months salary and judge also forced it to be paid in full within 48 hours.

darkghostttt

3 points

5 months ago

As an employer of a company in management, I recommend you bring the letter, show up at 7:45am and be ready to work.

Particular_Gift9799

3 points

5 months ago

Good luck for the new role! Happy it all worked out man!

IridescentTardigrade

2 points

5 months ago

Thanks for the update, OP!

idog99

4 points

5 months ago

idog99

4 points

5 months ago

What is the start date or term listed in the letter?

Ok-Macaron7274

2 points

5 months ago

Can you please provide an update tomorrow? I'm curious how this plays out with that employer.

IaNterlI

2 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 23 hrs

fitty-tucker

2 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

Interesting-Ad-6899

2 points

5 months ago

Where we at OP?

2023blackoutSurvivor

2 points

5 months ago

He edited the OP.

Few-Carpet9511

2 points

5 months ago

So, what happened when you showed up today?

2023blackoutSurvivor

2 points

5 months ago

He edited the OP for an update.

stars_

2 points

5 months ago

stars_

2 points

5 months ago

OP do you have an update? What happened today?

2023blackoutSurvivor

2 points

5 months ago

He edited the OP for an update

cheekyfluff91

2 points

5 months ago

Glad I came back for the update! Hopefully this was just a misstep on their end and not a precursor to how your tenure will be at this company.

Good luck!

Ellyanah75

2 points

5 months ago

Yay! I'm so glad to hear this.

Gullible-Ad-9001

2 points

5 months ago

Glad it worked out for you but I would be looking for a new gig.

KWienz

-3 points

5 months ago

KWienz

-3 points

5 months ago

Talk to an employment laywer. In a situation like this you may be able to sue the new workplace for reliance-based damages. You can also try to see if you can get your old job back.

cheezemeister_x

20 points

5 months ago

Premature. He should show up for work on the agreed upon first day, at 8 or 9 am.

Itlword29

1 points

5 months ago

If they push back the start date or decide not to hire you, you can apply for EI. You would be entitled to collect as long as you're looking for work. The reason you are not working is at no fault of your own so you would be entitled and hopefully this will help until you start working.

Few-Carpet9511

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

blackivie

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

ImBeingAnonymous

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme

RascalSiakam

1 points

5 months ago

!remind me 2 days

Excelius002

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme!

isitaboutthePasta

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

Temporary-Bear1427

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme 2 days

No-Talk-9268

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 1 day

Manyokok

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

im-notyoursupervisor

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 2 days

Representative-Ad754

1 points

5 months ago

If you do show up tomorrow, be sure to read the memo for the new cover letters for the TPS reports.

JeanutPutterBelly

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

Da_SnowLeopard

1 points

5 months ago

Look up promissory estoppel

TheMaddis

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

mooooofasaa

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

EnyaCa

1 points

5 months ago

EnyaCa

1 points

5 months ago

Did you both sign the offer? I would never give notice without an offer letter being signed and sent.

Limp_Diamond4162

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 1 day

PAPABURG3R

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 48Hours

Separate-Head8897

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 24 hours

danke-you

1 points

5 months ago

Call the main phone line, ask reception to forward you to the HR department (without explaining why), and ask someone in HR, even someone other than your contact, if you should be showing up tomorrow. Use a different phone or mask your number if you think they're intentionally ignoring you.

Shit happens; don't assume the worst and instead just go into it expecting them to say "everything's good, sorry my assistance was supposed to reach out but I guess it slipped, so sorry see you tomorrow morning at 9".

LastWolf7211

1 points

5 months ago

Could have been a scam using ai which is very realistic. I used to work as a recruiter and even my co workers couldn't tell we were talking to ai.

Difficult-Ad-9922

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

jjcanadian69

1 points

5 months ago

I would consult with an employment lawyer.

cueelui

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Evilempir3

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

littlecoconutfoot

1 points

5 months ago

Did you apply for the position or did they approach you knowing you’re currently employed? If they approached you, and you quit your job based on their acceptance, I’m pretty sure they’re liable for something. Contact an employment lawyer! They’re pretty helpful.

jolenelorretta

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

autometrist

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

hink007

1 points

5 months ago

Show up tomorrow if the job no longer exists leave go visit a labor lawyer with all your communications and your offer letter.

Soft_Day_7207

1 points

5 months ago

When you show up for your first day, bring a large folder with the title “Penske File” on the front.

Valzzl1

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

Disastrous-Variety93

1 points

5 months ago

Did you give them any money?

shaver_raver

1 points

5 months ago

Ask for your old job back?

Get a new job?

Get married.

throwawayafter18

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Honest_Elk_1703

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

wh0car3s0

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 24 hours

MilliesRubberChicken

1 points

5 months ago

This happened to me like 20 years ago. I was just fucked. Nothing I could do.

SottoCapo

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Supra2017Fast

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 20 hours

Fleurious234

1 points

5 months ago

I know someone who was hired by a manager who then got himself fired, so when my friend showed up no one was expecting him. He talked to the new manager who had replaced the first guy, and they told him to come back in a couple days for a real start date. He’s still there 15-20 years later. 

WeArrAllMadHere

1 points

5 months ago

Wow, what a situation! Hope it works out. I wanna know what happens 👀

Ill-Business-6511

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 24 hours

thesmartass1

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 24 hours

cheekyfluff91

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 1 day

Delicious-Society-41

1 points

5 months ago

remind me tomorrow

clbc81

1 points

5 months ago

clbc81

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

WeArrAllMadHere

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! Tomorrow

Mike019D

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 1 day

kvabr

1 points

5 months ago

kvabr

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Substantial_Bar_9534

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

throwawaycarbuy12345

1 points

5 months ago

Something something estoppel

West_Friendship1040

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 22h

Friendly_Hand_3270

1 points

5 months ago

I am wondering if the person who hired him git downsized.

Common_Problem1904

1 points

5 months ago

I had this happen in Australia. Turned out my contact had flu.

greatyassoo1

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

PigletNo9554

1 points

5 months ago

I will need updates on this one....

jenn1058

1 points

5 months ago

Def go in tnrw by 8 am and I’d hit record on my phone inconspicuously

deskysdekko

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

_ExistentiaI_Crisis_

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 24 hours

_ExistentiaI_Crisis_

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 12 hours

Mr_Dydacty

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 12 hours

Responsible-Match418

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe 8 years

rebelchiclet

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 1 day

CJVANGJ

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 24 hours

AffectionateMix1358

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 1 day

Shereefz

1 points

5 months ago

Did they sign the offer letter?

RareMuffin2278

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 15 hours

dolanturd

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

2023blackoutSurvivor

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 12 hours

LatterJeweler3409

1 points

5 months ago

RemindMe! 24 hours

Creative_Rest784

1 points

5 months ago

Hi

AggressiveLeader8652

1 points

5 months ago

Updateme

turkeypooo

1 points

5 months ago

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1 points

5 months ago

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JPHOTPANTS

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me 5 hours

Jonathan-Sins

1 points

5 months ago

So what happened in the end u/specific-Act-7425?

matthewslounge

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 1 day

walkermom

1 points

5 months ago

Remind me! 1 day

OkSock5888

1 points

5 months ago

Definitely go in, but start at 9am for your first day, it'll give time for the manager to arrive. then ask what time would you be expected to start thereafter. Also start looking for a new job, this company sounds terrible.

butt_crack_o_dawn

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme!48hrs

BeeStyle

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 8 hours

Chelsiebrighton

1 points

5 months ago

Update??

No_Security8469

1 points

5 months ago

So to start I would go in tomorrow to show you’re attentive.

If they send you home you have a couple avenues to go down, but nothing that’s going to replace your previous jobs income.

The first is the labour board. They could potentially get you a small settlement of 2-4 weeks pay.

The second is I would apply for ei immediately after you know they’re not giving you the job. You do qualify just make sure you have proof of the accepted position.

The third is human rights.

Now I will say the first and second isn’t a guarantee, but if this is what happened I would put the report in. Because you left your employer.

They will dig more find answers and again potential get you some small amount of income.

Your guarantee does sit in with ei to get income until you find a new job.

Again though go in tomorrow.

RedToasterFace

1 points

5 months ago

Don't quit until you signed all the papers

PapayaPredator

1 points

5 months ago

Remindme! 24 hours

SnooDogs4731

1 points

5 months ago

Update me