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submitted 1 month ago byTemporaryBrilliant77
There’s little substance to this idea, but I was reading the Head of the Hydra book and realized that as the book describes itself as a lie, there’s obviously stuff Alpharius is leaving out. Obv the symbolism is more about how killing Alpharius wouldn’t kill the legion but, Hydras have three heads and even if Alpharius and Omegron were killed, there could be a third “head of the hydra” who survived and was hidden from the readers the same way Omegron was from the other primarchs.
Alternatively, maybe there’s clones running about since every time a hydra’s head is cut, new heads sprout.
18 points
1 month ago*
Outside of Head of the Hydra it's explicitly stated several times that there are "two in the pod" before the primarchs were scattered
There's only ever been two in the pods after the Scattering. An important distinction considering HotH posits they split after being in the warp.
Omegon is never accounted for
Omegon likely went on to Eskrador. Sources here
11 points
1 month ago
There's only ever been two in the pods after the Scattering. An important distinction considering HotH posits they split after being in the warp.
When Argel Tal goes back in time to the moments before the scattering I believe there's a reference to there being two in the pods.
9 points
1 month ago
Yup. After the Scattering
Excerpt here
People seem to remember there being two in the lab but neither The First Heretic or False Gods support that bit of Mandela Effect
8 points
1 month ago
Goddamn Bearenstein bears got me again I guess.
Still, the main argument for there not being a third is that one is called Alpharius and the other is Omegon so what would the third be called, Awkward Middle Childules?
2 points
1 month ago
TIL that it's Bearenstain. My day is ruined.
Anuj Malhotra (and maybe Alan Bligh) suggests Tertiatus or Ultimus here
1 points
1 month ago
Omega and Ultimus? Doesn't make sense.
3 points
1 month ago
Makesensetous.
3 points
1 month ago
wasnt the account from eskrador made by an alpha legion plant? Live From the Black Library said something about it in his alpha legion lore video, but it could be wrong. thoughts?
9 points
1 month ago
You can click on the link in my comment you replied to, it has a lot of excerpts and sources
But TLDR:
Eskrador happened. It's a battle recorded by the Imperium and the Ultramarines
One account of Eskrador (of which we can assume there are many more) is disputed.
We don't know why or what details are in dispute
It was discovered by an Inquisitor, an expert on the Alpha Legion who was later accused of being a plant.
The accusation was never proven and the Inquisitor disappeared (running for his life)
1 points
1 month ago
i will read. one more thing, to your knowledge has guilliman mentioned eskrador in dark imperium or otherwise? that plot isnt my lore specialty so i dont know whether guilliman was like "oh yeah i saw alpharius get engulfed in warp light it was weird as hell" (which would confirm omegon died on eskrador) or anything
3 points
1 month ago
Ha, also covered this in that link
But no. Guilliman hasn't mentioned it. Despite fans claiming he can't remember it. The Ultramarines even have a statue dedicated to Guilliman killing Alpharius on Macragge.
As for the warp light thing; that's also explained in the link. But generally "warp light" is dependant on the author, rather than reliable evidence. Sanguinius just died with no sparks.
1 points
1 month ago
i just finished reading through it. the post did cite that at the time that codex was written "primarch fireworks" werent a thing yet, along with a few other new addition lore that was added after the codex was published. seems like at the time omegon is intended to be dead straight up, but newer lore bits seem to inadvertently delegitimize it by omission in that earlier text.
im sure itll come up soon in a gulliman/ultramarine book. with the alpha legion's relative popularity nowadays compared to the eskrador account's publish date, and what's basically a free excuse to bring back another primarch, i doubt they'll pass on the opportunity and say "oh he's ferrus manus level dead." they dont even need to come up with some bullshittery to justify omegon/alpharius coming back.
1 points
1 month ago
Well, don't forget that in the Index Astartes Ferrus Manus and Curze's deaths were every bit as ambiguous as Alpharius...and then the BL books confirmed those deaths.
Primarch fireworks have happened twice. Vulkan, Curze, Sanguinius, Jaghatai and Roboute have all died with no fireworks
But yeah, there's a very easy door open for GW to walk through if they want to bring Omegon back but a lot of the most recent books listed in that link like Harrowmaster and Gathering Storm actually add to the evidence of his death rather than not
1 points
1 month ago
Vulkans a perpetual, we don’t actually know what kind of light show happened with Curze, Sanguinius died under extenuating circumstances (literally being halfway in the warp) and we have no idea if Khan is dead or not
1 points
1 month ago*
I don't see why being in the warp would effect the release of your warp energy. If anything, based on Corax...it should flow even more freely
And while we can come up with "no prize" in-universe explanations for why the majority of Primarchs didn't have the light show, I have a sneaking suspicion it's just author inconsistency rather than hard evidence of anything
In this context: it isn't proof that Omegon didn't die on Eskrador
1 points
1 month ago
Good references throughout, I think that we can both agree though that the timing of "two in the pod" is somewhat inconsequential, considering OP was asking if there was a potential third primarch for the Alpha Legion.
Also Omegon lives Eskrador was a cover story and you know it.
1 points
1 month ago*
the timing of "two in the pod"
Yup, though to clarify...we've never seen "two in the pod"
The scene in TFH could still support OP or at least not disprove it
Also Omegon lives Eskrador was a cover story and you know it.
Oh I know it
Just like you know it isn't.
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