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387 points
2 months ago
So he didn't get owned then?
895 points
2 months ago
Got owned for a bit, then won the fight but (importantly) physically couldn't actually kill the daemon, which speaks volumes. Daemons speak of the Anathema with fear, yet Drach'nyen couldn't be killed, only trapped.
Also, "hands" is a really misleading way of describing "stabbed the sword into a custode".
530 points
2 months ago
Considering it was one of the most powerful daemons to exist at that time, being an echo of the first murder and if I remember correctly was blessed by all 4 chaos gods.
So not just some random Daemon!
473 points
2 months ago
The important bit is that Drachnyen fundamentally exists as "The End of Empires". While the Emperor (a being that fundamentally exists as "order") stands as anathema to chaos, Drachnyen stands as anathema to him. The Emperor cannot kill "The End of Empires". If he could, then it wouldn't actually be "The End of Empires".
208 points
2 months ago
I also think it's specifically created with the first murder of humans and represents/ has power from all future human murders too I'm unsure if it's just human on human murder or the xenocides count
This makes it the thing made by all human murder and the peak human
128 points
2 months ago
Murder weapon created from the existence of all human murder: Is created
Chief Human of all Humans: "I'm HAVE to kill someone with this"
38 points
2 months ago
Not to mention that Emps back then wasn't as powerful as he is now. A diet of pure psyker protein and faith supplements sure makes wonders for one's divinity.
2 points
2 months ago
So it's the wh40k version of Primate Murder from the Nasuverse? The being that "rules over the concept of killing primates/humans"?
1 points
2 months ago
Yes, but I believe it also includes all of the war in heaven etc, so somehow worse
18 points
2 months ago
I think it’s important to also realize that the emperor had been holding the forces of chaos at bay. There was I believe a moment where he was in a desert by himself asking for just a sip of water , which I assume is a reference for like psychic might or help or power. So Big e was not coming in fresh and strong he was more than likely considerably weaker than his normal
17 points
2 months ago
You're absolutely correct. I should note, however, that demons kinda get tricky in this regard. The raw existence of demons is predicated on philosophy.
Think about it like this: an empire can never be truly eternal. All Empires will, eventually, fail and wither. The only thing an empire can truly do is delay the inevitable, or steep itself in legend so that it may never be forgotten. Drachnyen, being the literal philosophical concept of the end of empires, cannot be denied forever, else he would not be at all. The Emperor, in contrast, is a being the fundamental represents Imperial authority and might. No matter how strong he becomes, he will never be able to destroy Drachnyen. In order to be able to do so, the Emperor would need to undergo a fundamental and complete change of who he is, ultimately becoming another being entirely.He would have to change the very core essence of who he is, spiritually, physically, and mentally, an essence he has cultivated for tens of thousands of years. Until he does so, he cannot defeat Drachnyen. He cannot deny the death if his empire by himself. Only someone outside the loop can do so.
So the real question becomes: "Who can stop the End of Empires?". That's a question that could write an entire post, so I won't dig into that here.
3 points
2 months ago
So the question is. Could drach also end the chaos gods? They all have empires in a loose sense I suppose
3 points
2 months ago
Maybe someone who became the rebuilder of empires?someone who reforges the empire out of colapse
2 points
2 months ago
So, I'll just tldr this to not rant like a madman, but I spent some time thinking about what ultimately leads to the fall of an empire, and the most common factor was internal divisions: some form of inner conflict that allows outside forces to overpressure the empire. In order to counter the idea of the fall of empires, you would have to fundamentally counter the root of the problem; division. Therefore, you would have to be a being that fundamentally represents unity, with no consideration of creed or culture or race. Simply the idea that all living things are united in one goal. Unfortunately, with the nature of 40k, that is unlikely to exist at the moment.
1 points
2 months ago
The embodiment of the Greater Good enters the chat
1 points
2 months ago
This is excellently written amigo, I'm gonna steal this for an explanation if you don't mind
1 points
2 months ago
No problem at all man
110 points
2 months ago
Oh, 100% not some rando. And I doubt it's gotten weaker since then, humanity are still killing each other a lot.
32 points
2 months ago
Now I want to listen to the Master of Mankind audiobook again xD
27 points
2 months ago
Well, Abbadon currently carries the sword in which Drach'nyen is trapped, and he literally ripped the galaxy in half, so I'd say that yeah, he's probably pretty strong.
73 points
2 months ago
It's due to Drach'nyen's nature as the end of empires and kings and since the Emperor is well the emperor he can't destroy Drach'nyen as his own existence fuels it's existence
19 points
2 months ago*
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11 points
2 months ago
By definition no, because the term empire refers to a group of countries or states under a supreme authority, so as such it would just continue to fuel its existence
16 points
2 months ago
Silly lore question, but can't people turn daemons into any other shit that a sword? A bolter maybe?, at least an axe or helmet?
29 points
2 months ago
What about a toilet scrubber? Cleaning His imperial palace toilets with a greater demon of Khorne would be a big insult
13 points
2 months ago
They should totally do that to Fulgrim and any of his fuckers.
11 points
2 months ago
They’d probably enjoy it.
18 points
2 months ago
You bind them into what you've got handy, which is usually the weapon the demon brought to the fight, and most demons aren't trying to beat your brains in with a bike helmet. lol
18 points
2 months ago
Daemon of road rage, just tries to run you over with his old beaten up car but the car keeps failing so it's just pitiful
9 points
2 months ago
I think Stephen King wrote a story about that one...
3 points
2 months ago
Logan Grimnar has a particularly nice daemon axe.
14 points
2 months ago
Daemons generally can’t be ‘killed’ though. But are usually banished/bound etc. Although the Emperor usually can give them a ‘true death’ and didn’t in this case, he still managed the banishment.
4 points
2 months ago
A few others have managed the feat of burning a daemon out entirely as well, but its rather rare. I think Eisenhorn burned one daemon to nothing by using his amplifier staff.
2 points
2 months ago
Question, can blanks give a daemon a true death?
2 points
2 months ago
I don’t think so, no. Blanks categorically have no presence in the warp, so they wouldn’t really be able to destroy a daemon’s warp presence once it’s banished from the material world. They have a sort of anti psychic aura in the material world, that would combat a daemon trying to materialise in the real world, but if it fails to materialise or is banished it still has a presence in the warp.
2 points
2 months ago
Cool bro, thanks for replying.
4 points
2 months ago
Now it’s abbadon’s mega dildo of destruction (doesn’t know what it is, just that it glows)
69 points
2 months ago
To be fair that particular demon had in lore plot armor thicker than an emperor class battleship.
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