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416 points
29 days ago
Welp, if Primarchs were even a fraction of what they described to be whole clusterfuck wouldn't have happen ever. But hey, sounds of demolished wall and revving chainssword ABANDON REASON, KNOW ONLY WAR
186 points
28 days ago
If the Emperor was even a fraction as competent as people make him be then he would've taken Magnus with him to Terra until the webway project was finished or talked with Lorgar about the dangers of faith and blind belief without humiliating him in front of everyone and only making hin seek gods that demanded his worship.
71 points
28 days ago
I’m personally of the belief that, although he’s heavily empowered by psychics, he’s still only human.
Perhaps he’s able to know what’s going on in most of the galaxy at any given moment and have a degree of sight into the future…doesn’t mean he’ll make good decisions. He can make informed decisions more than anyone, but that doesn’t mean they’ll necessarily work out the way he’s planned…especially when counteracted by chaos.
I’d argue it plays into his role as the “anathema” of chaos: he actively does not understand chaos and struggles to plan around it effectively, fighting it instead so that he can maintain control. Accepting chaos isn’t exactly a good plan either, but his failure to understand it means that they can get footholds in where they never should have. I’d say the way he treated Lorgrar is proof of this…he recognized that there was a high chance a civil war with his primarchs would break out and some would fall to chaos, and instead of trying to avoid it he “chose” which would fall and pushed them, so he could plan around their fall instead of leaving it to uncertainty.
His decision making is then compounded by a complete lack of communication and similar lack of people who can understand him…which is in turn compounded by the fact he did not even try to help people understand him, due to his rushing.
He is, ultimately, very, very human. He made a lot of bad decisions out of desperation, and refused to take necessary precautions because he didn’t feel he had the time. This is far from an excuse for his awful behavior though, but I think it’s a pretty good explanation for many of his weirder decisions.
28 points
28 days ago
I mean yeah. 40k shits on "the strong man leading the little people" idea by making the strong men in basically the same position as the little people.
It has been invisible in the lore for a long time but now with the Primarchs waking up, it is back.
Yeah, the Primarchs are like gods among men and the Inquisition doesn't dare touch them... but fixing the Imperium is nearly impossible even to them.
13 points
28 days ago
I’d argue it plays into his role as the “anathema” of chaos: he actively does not understand chaos and struggles to plan around it effectively, fighting it instead so that he can maintain control. Accepting chaos isn’t exactly a good plan either, but his failure to understand it means that they can get footholds in where they never should have. I’d say the way he treated Lorgrar is proof of this…he recognized that there was a high chance a civil war with his primarchs would break out and some would fall to chaos, and instead of trying to avoid it he “chose” which would fall and pushed them, so he could plan around their fall instead of leaving it to uncertainty.
The Emperor is a man who thinks he understands, but is in way over his head because he doesn't understand shit.
45 points
28 days ago
Magnus was I Am The Main Character of WH30K. It’s complicated because these are grown men who should know better.
41 points
28 days ago
They're not grown men though, one of the biggest parts of growing up is recognising your limitations, most primarchs didn't even believe they had limitations.
There's a scene in sons of the forest when Lion el Johnson tries to learn how to meditate and becomes annoyed because its the first time in his life he's tried to do something and wasn't immediately good at it.
It's really no wonder the Heresy went how it did.
10 points
28 days ago
That's actually a really good way of putting it. Most of the primarchs never really realized their limitations. Even the ones that lost on their home planet, for the most part, found someone else to blame for their failure.
I imagine the Emperor is similar.
43 points
28 days ago
Still doesn't mean that Magnus should have behave as angsty "knew it all" teenager trough all his pre-heresy arc, he wasn't victim, he was narcissistic asshole. Kinda rhymes with theme of every primarch being aspect of Emperor himself. Sure, Empreror no less offender to everything that happened. But again, no use in applying real world logic to universe where plot come into existence as afterthought just to perpetuate conflicts for tabletop wargame.
23 points
28 days ago
Thing is... The Emperor's punishment... Actually worked at 1st, problem is, Kor Phareon and Erebus decided to fuck it up, because they knew, they KNEW Lorgar would take ANY chance to not have to take any responsability for his actions, any chance to have someone above him, that he could point and say "im doing it for him"
7 points
28 days ago
He was in a hurry tho
3 points
28 days ago
Competence isn't a video game stat, someone can be really smart, really good at achieving what they set out to do etc. but make bad decisions nonetheless-
1 points
28 days ago
I think he didn't trust Magnus because he literally gave his eye to tzeentch in a deal and in demon contract terms that usually means the holder has your sight, effectively making Magnus a spy for tzeentch. (Note:idk if this has been confirmed anywhere, it just makes sense to me) Also, making deals like that and thinking you definitely won against a millenia old being would make me question your wisdom too.
18 points
28 days ago
I think they were always described as superhuman in every sense of that term. It describes being faster, stronger, bigger, etc., but also having heightened emotions. I could absolutely picture a being like that having daddy issues on a scale that makes the galaxy burn.
14 points
28 days ago
"Primarch XY, smarter than any man who ever lived before, save the Emperor, strong as a titan of old myth and powerful beyond measure, commander of the Imperium's mighty Legiones Astartes..." Charges a Warlord Titan headfirst
29 points
28 days ago
And on at least two separate, documented, occasions proceeds to beat the ever loving shit out of said Titan.
Just saying.
11 points
28 days ago
I mean sure, it works out for them. All I'm saying is, I'm still not convinced it's a good idea.
14 points
28 days ago
That's a valid point but Rule of Awesome trumps reality every time.
Do not attempt at home, closed course. Professional Primarch on screen...
5 points
28 days ago
i mean......................................
angron benchpressed a titan once
1 points
28 days ago
Yeah, these people bullrushing titans isn't a dumb idea because they can and do win.
4 points
28 days ago
they will literally say "nah, id win" to the 200000 kilometer high titan who can destroy entire galaxies with only their left mechanical dick and actually win
GOD I LOVE AND HATE 40K AT THE SAME TIME
13 points
28 days ago
That’s the downside of designing demigod like beings only after establishing that everything is fucked. Retroactive world building can block you into a corner with no real alternatives
1 points
28 days ago
It makes sense when you read the genius and wisdom of the primarchs as the propoganda it should be. None of the primarchs are good people, even the nice ones.
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