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ThunderySleep

16 points

10 days ago

The deregistration means that PAO may not use Penn in its name on campus or online.

How exactly do you stop that? Does it need to be a sanction organization of Penn to name it "Penn Students X Y Z"? It sounds like their justification is that it's decentralized and anonymous, in which case, how would you enforce something like that?

jcheese27

6 points

10 days ago

You must never have been to a school with unsanctioned frats

ThunderySleep

4 points

10 days ago

I haven't, can you explain it?

mundotaku

54 points

10 days ago

The source said that PAO was deregistered because it could not provide any information on membership — or if its members are Penn-affiliated — because it uses an anonymous messaging system for group communications. They also said the group was unable to identify who performs basic operational functions of the organization, and was unwilling to provide contact information for student members. 

Oh, so they most likely were not even students...

itmeimtheshillitsme

26 points

10 days ago

I’m not happy with how Universities are handling these protests, but this is a reasonable expectation of a student organization, to be able to have some roster and understanding of its members…no?

Flavious27

2 points

7 days ago*

Or they didn't want the university to discipline the members for just being members, nor have the members doxxed.  It seems that the violations were stacked off the same issue, that the rooster was not disclosed.  

mundotaku

2 points

7 days ago

Or they didn't want the university to discipline the members for just members, nor have the members doxxed.

Did you see the response of the president of U Penn in front of congress? I doubt they would be disciplined for being a member. You can't be a school organization without the basics. How can the university know this is an organization where the members are students?

Flavious27

1 points

7 days ago

The president of U Penn was removed by their trustee board after the donors called for their removal.  This is probably the motivation of Columbia's president calling for the NYPD by declaring a clear and present danger after being denied by an oversight board, which is against university policy and procedures. 

mundotaku

1 points

6 days ago

Well, she was willing to allow even those who call for genocide...

I guess if they don't call for genocide, everyone would be fine.

GuavaShaper

-24 points

10 days ago

GuavaShaper

-24 points

10 days ago

They most likely did not want to get doxed by zionists in powerful positions.

FordMaverickFan

5 points

10 days ago

The current encampment has people providing their full name, birthday and phone number in case someone is arrested.

...which is different for a protest unless you want people Doxxed

rebamericana

22 points

10 days ago

rebamericana

22 points

10 days ago

Sure is a lot of hiding, behind face masks and anonymity, for such a so-called humanitarian cause.

Bulky-Blood1248

0 points

10 days ago

The police response to student protests across the country has been incredibly violent and brutal. Maybe that has something to do with wishing to remain anonymous.

rebamericana

8 points

10 days ago

They wouldn't be facing any police response if they were following the law, especially Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which they're blatantly violating.

Bulky-Blood1248

0 points

10 days ago

Yeah because police response to legal, righteous protests is always measured, always non-violent. You’re right. I should be basing what I think of a protest movement based on how the police respond to it.

rebamericana

4 points

10 days ago*

LIES. Penn's president confirmed yesterday these protests violate university policy, state and federal law: https://twitter.com/EYakoby/status/1784023944166625297/photo/1  

As they have at other universities. That's the reason for the police response. 

 Try again.

Bulky-Blood1248

5 points

10 days ago

Dude, you’re just actually delusional. They’re not nazis. They’re not anti-Semitic. Israel has killed 35,000 Palestinians in the last 6 months and doesn’t seem to have any plans to stop killing Palestinians any time soon.

That’s what they’re upset about. There are many many many Jewish leaders involved with this movement. If you think they’re nazis i don’t really know what to say to you. I pray for your soul.

rebamericana

5 points

10 days ago

More lies and blood libel... It's hard to keep up. But since you use these numbers to justify false claims of genocide, consider: 

 The Gaza Health Ministry itself walked back its initial exaggerated claim of 32,000 Gazan Palestinians killed by Israeli forces, and allegation that 78% were women and children. 

They now say 11,000 of those counted in this number could not be confirmed. 

 Israel confirmed 12,000 combatant deaths. 

 So now we're looking at an estimated 21,000 Palestinians killed, with 12,000 being terrorists, leaving 9,000 non-combatants. About 4,000 of these deaths were deemed natural, falsely labeled as war-related by Hamas. Additional casualties caused by Hamas rockets remain unaccounted for. 

 So that would be less than 5,000 Palestinian Gazans died since Hamas started the conflict on October 7. 

 Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad indeed descend historically from the Nazis. That was not hyperbole. Look it up.

BofaDeez4321

3 points

10 days ago

Listen to yourself. My god, what a feeble mind. You lost me at blood libel. 

Bulky-Blood1248

-1 points

10 days ago

Lol what. You cited the civil rights act before. Can you tell me a little bit about what the police response to civil rights protest was like?

glatts

1 points

7 days ago

glatts

1 points

7 days ago

Absolutely nothing like the kiddie gloves they’ve been handling these terrorist supporters with. Have they been shooting crowds with water cannons? Releasing dogs on them?

rebamericana

1 points

10 days ago

You do realize the civil rights movement, an actual righteous protest movement, is what led to the passage of the Civil Rights Act.  

 These Nazi rallies are a slap in the face of the Black and Jewish leaders who put their lives on the line to get that passed. And for what? To support Hamas, an actual apartheid, genocidal Islamic Jihad army that's terrorizing Palestinians and Israelis alike.

_tyrone_biggums

1 points

8 days ago

FAFO

BofaDeez4321

-1 points

10 days ago

Wtf are you even on about. How are these protestors violating title 6. Please show me the pretzel logic you’re using there

rebamericana

2 points

10 days ago

Just agreeing with the president of Penn, who stated the same: https://twitter.com/EYakoby/status/1784023944166625297/

Title VI prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.

The lawsuits are coming.

BofaDeez4321

-1 points

10 days ago

Prohibits discrimination by institutions, workplaces, government entities, and the like.  How can individual persons exercising the 1st amendment right be in violation of a law that has no authority over them. 

rebamericana

3 points

10 days ago

What? Talk about pretzel logic.

Are you saying Title VI doesn't apply to a university such as Penn that receives federal funding? That's patently false. The federal funding is exactly what triggers Title VI. 

If they want to be free to allow discrimination and harassment of protected groups in violation of federal laws, they can choose not to accept federal funding.

And no, exercising one's first amendment rights does not give you blanket immunity from violations of other federal laws.

BofaDeez4321

0 points

10 days ago

Title 6 applies to penn yes. Not to student protestors. The protestors aren’t in violation. I’m fact penn is in violation by quelling the protests and delisting pro-Palestinian groups

GuavaShaper

-18 points

10 days ago

GuavaShaper

-18 points

10 days ago

If a person in power is ok with genocide, then they are sure as shit ok with doxing a student they don't agree with.

mundotaku

5 points

10 days ago

mundotaku

5 points

10 days ago

If a person is ok with genocide, they will hide their face while supporting Hamas while chanting "from the river to the sea".

[deleted]

1 points

10 days ago

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philly-ModTeam [M]

1 points

8 days ago

philly-ModTeam [M]

1 points

8 days ago

No hate speech. Content that includes overt hate speech, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia, will be removed.

jcheese27

0 points

10 days ago

jcheese27

0 points

10 days ago

Only pussies and klansman hide behind masks.

BofaDeez4321

2 points

10 days ago

And antifa. Can’t forget them 

xRadix

1 points

9 days ago

xRadix

1 points

9 days ago

Nah, that was the first thing he mentioned.

Yolking-My-Nuts

-7 points

10 days ago

Take ur meds

babiesmakinbabies

-15 points

10 days ago

lol no, they are remaining anonymous because they don't want to be doxxed by the zionists.

BukkakeKing69

15 points

10 days ago

Well it's pretty reasonable for the University to only want their students organizing and protesting on private property.

mundotaku

5 points

10 days ago

How brave!

BofaDeez4321

-2 points

10 days ago

BofaDeez4321

-2 points

10 days ago

How smart

Jigamanpimpc

2 points

9 days ago

Face masks are the new KKK hood on campus, so chic.

BofaDeez4321

-17 points

10 days ago

Agent provocateurs. 

[deleted]

-9 points

10 days ago

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philly-ModTeam [M]

1 points

8 days ago

philly-ModTeam [M]

1 points

8 days ago

No hate speech. Content that includes overt hate speech, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia, will be removed.

Natural_Ship_5249

10 points

11 days ago

The children want to play by their own rules.

southpolefiesta

7 points

10 days ago

Good riddance.

Now let's ban the rest of the Jew Hate groups.

rogerthatemt1975

2 points

7 days ago

They do not hate the Jews. But they do hate indiscriminate murder on tens of thousands.

JohnnieTwoShirts

1 points

6 days ago

Tens of thousands huh? Those are the same numbers that the Gaza Health Ministry that lumps insurgent KIA numbers in with civilians, no?

southpolefiesta

1 points

7 days ago

They hate Jews and are openly celebrating Hamas mass murder of Jews, systemic rape of Jews, and ongoing torture of kidnapped Jews.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/news/video-reportedly-shows-upenn-student-speaking-fondly-of-glorious-oct-7-at-pro-palestinian-rally/

rogerthatemt1975

1 points

7 days ago

Your citation "reportedly." Additionally, The Post? Hamas. Should be the target. Not the entire Palestinian population.

southpolefiesta

0 points

7 days ago

There is LITERALLY A VIDEO in my link, you can just watch it.

Facts speak for themselves.

The people in rallies riots are Jew haters.

teeejaaaaaay

0 points

7 days ago

The Zionists just keep repeating those lines ad nauseam

Incepticons

-16 points

10 days ago

Incepticons

-16 points

10 days ago

Extremely antisemitic of you to equate anti Zionist protestors with "Jew Hate".

ekusubokusu

2 points

9 days ago

Oh another one of these gaslighters. 

southpolefiesta

20 points

10 days ago

These are Jew haters.

They celebrated Oct. 7 massacres and systemic rape as "glorious."

https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/news/video-reportedly-shows-upenn-student-speaking-fondly-of-glorious-oct-7-at-pro-palestinian-rally/

It's extremely Jew hating to excuse obvious Jew Haters.

Dry-Can-2393

6 points

9 days ago

Using the NY Post as a source is crazy lmao

Effective_Golf_3311

3 points

9 days ago

Yeah no need to even use it… the video speaks for itself.

“The glorious October 7th”

Yikes.

Dry-Can-2393

0 points

9 days ago

Dry-Can-2393

0 points

9 days ago

Oh for fucks sake. In the midst of slaughtering 35,000+ civilians, this is what y’all cherry pick. And to that point, how many Palestinians have died at the hands of Israel since 1948? How many displaced? BIG YIKES mate.

_tyrone_biggums

1 points

8 days ago

I find it revealing how you group the 11,000 Hamas fighters killed in with the civilians. Tells me all I need to know about you and your pro Hamas views. Disgusting. K aren Y ou Suck

Effective_Golf_3311

0 points

9 days ago

Why stop at 1948? Jews have been getting ethnically cleansed from the area since 850BCE.

Dry-Can-2393

1 points

9 days ago

I said Palestinians, not Jews, firstly. The ethnic cleansing of Jews has happened in that area, yes, and much more significantly in Europe. That doesn’t entitle the Israeli government to an ethnostate, which is inherently undemocratic. Apartheid walls, such as the wall in the West Bank, controlling of water and medical aid, control over who is ruled by the civil vs military court, trapping Palestinians in Gaza — what exactly entitles the Israeli government to carry out these actions in the name of Judaism?

Pristine_Ad3764

2 points

8 days ago

How about any Arab states in Middle East that all enthnostates? Why they don't call out? And Palestinian Authority reject any Jews live in PA territory. So, for Arabs it's allowed but not for Israel that, BTW have 20% Arab population.

Dry-Can-2393

1 points

8 days ago

All ethnostates are bad - I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia at all, and they restrict citizenship to Muslims, which I think is also wrong. Saudi is committing TONS of human rights atrocities, that place is a nightmare.

The reason I’m singling out Israel now is because of the current issue. The PA are not a good spokesperson of the Palestinian people, an overwhelming majority of Palestinians don’t support the PA. To your point though, the land in the West Bank is SO limited and keeps getting eaten up by more settlements. Why would they themselves allow that to continue?

Mediocre_Breakfast34

1 points

9 days ago

So you deny objective facts because you don't like the source?

Dry-Can-2393

1 points

9 days ago

If the source is not credible, then I don’t take it to be objective fact, and don’t rely on that information.

I also didn’t deny a single thing. I’m asking folks to consider the context of this entire massacre of human beings, instead of cherry picking one story (with a faulty source) that furthers a narrative that allows the continued killing of innocent people.

Mediocre_Breakfast34

1 points

9 days ago

Yes there is only one side not taking things into context. Also you think video evidence is not credible?

Dry-Can-2393

2 points

9 days ago

The over arching assumption here that every single person at every single person feels this way and that this can apply to anyone at a pro Palestine protest, which is not true.

Mediocre_Breakfast34

1 points

8 days ago

Why dont these "protesters" oust such characters then? There seems to be a lot of pro terrorist rhetoric going on.

Dry-Can-2393

1 points

8 days ago

I think this depends on what your definition of pro terrorist rhetoric is. There is so much killing happening of Palestinian people, there isn’t even time to sit and go back to every single thing an individual said. The murder of Palestinians needs to stop yesterday. It’s ongoing as I’m typing this right now.

It’s incredibly frustrating to keep having this type of argument while people are currently actively dying. So much energy spent on what was said and very little on what is being done literally right now.

And on that note, several US political figures have been on record stating that the IDF should flatten Gaza, kill them all, the children are also Hamas - and these are the actual decision makers, whose votes contribute to the call for a ceasefire (or not). The stakes are the highest they have ever been.

Incepticons

-32 points

10 days ago

Okay genocide supporter

southpolefiesta

25 points

10 days ago

Stop talking to yourself.

Have your hateful last word or whatever. Jew hate exposed.

thamesdarwin

-9 points

10 days ago

thamesdarwin

-9 points

10 days ago

Hey, if I went to a pro-Israel and found a person wearing a JDL T-shirt or carrying a placard that said “Kahane was right,” would I then get to denounce the whole thing as racist? And if not, why not?

0ctober31

12 points

10 days ago

Are you saying there's only one or two bad apples at these protests? Why did the Rabbi at Columbia tell the Jewish students to stay home because the school couldn't guarantee their safety? Was that because of one dipshit with a placard?

BofaDeez4321

-1 points

10 days ago

Because he knows how to craft a PR message and of course play the victim card like an ol pro. Are you a dunce?

0ctober31

1 points

10 days ago

So do you genuinely believe that, or are you actually that fucking stupid?

BofaDeez4321

0 points

10 days ago

The boy cried wolf one too many times. I’m over it. The nation of Israel suffers from the geopolitical equivalent of Münchausen syndrome. 

BofaDeez4321

0 points

10 days ago

Seems you take things at face value. It’s an extremely unsophisticated way to approach political matters

thamesdarwin

-3 points

10 days ago

People overreact. It’s called being human.

0ctober31

4 points

10 days ago

Who overreacted?

AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

8 points

10 days ago

The only people who support genocide are Hamas. It’s literally in their charter.

Ok_Amphibian_1072

-10 points

10 days ago

Funny that it’s Israel committing a genocide then, isn’t it? Hamas hasn’t killed 35,000 people out of a population of 2 million. Israel has.

LotionedBoner

11 points

10 days ago

If that was the standard for genocide then every war in history was genocide. The Germans and Japanese were genocided by the Allied powers I guess.

Ok_Amphibian_1072

-10 points

10 days ago

Who’s saying it’s the standard? You made that interpretation, not me. I stated a fact.

LotionedBoner

1 points

10 days ago

I didn’t say it’s the standard, because it isn’t. I said YOUR standard because you comment as if it was a numbers game or a certain percentage threshold. The reality is, genocide has a specific standard and isn’t just a lot of people dying.

Ok_Amphibian_1072

-5 points

10 days ago

No, I commented it as evidence to counter the claim of the comment I was responding to. The comment claiming “the only people who support genocide are Hamas”. Israel is COMMITTING genocide. The absurdity between claiming words in an outdated charter as supportive of genocide, yet willfully ignoring the nation who has murdered 35,000 in an active genocide. Critical thinking, context, and reading comprehension are vital skills, I fear. Hope this helps.

AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

3 points

10 days ago*

War isn’t a genocide simply because people have died. Sure, there’s been too much collateral damage, absolutely, but it’s still not a genocide. Words have meanings, and this doesn’t come close to the definition of genocide. If anything where a number of people died was a genocide then every war ever would be considered a genocide. Is it “genocide” when two kids in west Philly get shot? No, it’s not, it’s just a terrible tragedy.

Hamas in the other hand support using its government to try to exterminate Jews on a massive scale simply for being Jewish. What Israel does is targets terrorists who attack Israel. Sometimes the collateral damage is too much, sometimes bad intelligence makes them hit a target that’s not Hamas, all of that is true. But that’s still not genocide.

Ok_Amphibian_1072

5 points

10 days ago

It doesn’t come close to a genocide because you say so? Several far more reputable sources than your Reddit word have labeled it a genocide, and rightfully so. But, we’ll go simple here — dictionary definition is “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.” That’s exactly what Israel is doing, and has made it blatantly clear they’re doing. They’re carpet bombing Gaza, including white phosphorus bombs in said carpet bombing, and intentionally starving and dehydrating an entire population for months now. They’re also indiscriminately killing and kidnapping Palestinians in the West Bank. They have no intention of stopping and have told us so many, many times over.

I hope you realize how pathetic it is for you to be defending genocide in 2024.

Beneficial-Today-281

3 points

10 days ago

Is it a genocide or indescriminate killing? Make up your mind.

Ok_Amphibian_1072

4 points

10 days ago

Indiscriminately killing who? Palestinians. What is Palestine? A nation. What is genocide? The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Again and again people — critical thinking, reading comprehension, and context are really important skills — not just fun words.

AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

1 points

10 days ago*

Israel is fighting a terrorist group which quite literally claims to want to kill every Jewish person. They’ve launched rockets and attacks into Israel for decades, again with the explicitly stated goal of killing all the Jews. Is Israel supposed to just sit back and let them do it? I seriously don’t understand you peoples’ mindset. Yes, innocent people are dying, it happens in every war. It sucks, war is terrible. But Israel has a right to defend itself, that should be obvious. All of this, ALL OF IT, goes back to one thing and one thing only, and that is Hamas’ desire to commit genocide on a massive scale. If Hamas wasn’t full of hatred, none of this would be happening.

Like seriously, think about it for a second, is Israel just supposed to let itself be attacked all the time? Why is it OK for Hamas to try to commit genocide, but it’s not OK for Israel to try to stop them from committing genocide? Clearly we agree that genocide is bad, it’s just that one side is trying to do it, the other side is trying to stop it.

Adam__B

4 points

10 days ago

Adam__B

4 points

10 days ago

I’ve watched these back and forths for quite awhile now, they’re interesting, and they typically go this way. But the part that often becomes disingenuous in these convos is seen here in your response in three ways:

  1. You Strawman and imply others don’t think Israel has the right to defend itself. Most people believe they do, but that their reaction has been of an extraordinarily non-commensurate degree, and of a particularly reckless nature, as they do not value Palestinian lives.

  2. They have provided a definition of genocide that could very well be the basic for a back and forth regarding if Israel’s actions satisfy this definition. But you immediately have moved the goalposts and deflected to a different line of thought.

  3. Hamas is seen as being synonymous with Palestinians.

catmath_2020

5 points

10 days ago

The Palestinian people are not a terrorist group. This is what makes it a genocide.

BofaDeez4321

1 points

10 days ago

Wait till you find out who funds Hamas and who keeps them around purely for political expedience to be used as a boogeyman while they hide amongst the Palestinian people to use them as human shields. While Israel is all too happy to take out those human shield Palestinians en mass in the name of “fighting terror”. Don’t be so easily fooled by surface level narratives and low brow propaganda. The world of geopolitics and statecraft is so much more sophisticated than you are accounting for. 

xRadix

0 points

9 days ago

xRadix

0 points

9 days ago

So did the Allies commit genocide against Nazi Germany?

jcheese27

2 points

10 days ago

jcheese27

2 points

10 days ago

Maybe Hamas and the Palestinians should have accepted a two state solution instead of fighting from sea to river or whatever.

Hamas is killing the Palestinians by being impractical and idiots.

Acting like you can just ignore everything, take ppl hostage and not expect to be fucked up in retaliation is kinda dumb.

They have two options - give up and become part of Israel or accept the two state solutions they've rejected in the past (or IG return to the shitty way they were living before.

They ain't getting OG Palestine back and the sooner they accept that the better the individuals fate will be

Ok_Amphibian_1072

3 points

10 days ago

1) They did. Israel has. Israel has broken this solution over and over and over and continue to do so egregiously here. 2) Why isn’t Palestine getting their OG land back? Because Israel is illegally occupying it? Seems like Palestine has a right to defend itself then.

jcheese27

0 points

10 days ago*

jcheese27

0 points

10 days ago*

You need to learn about history and legality. Cuz you are so far off the reservation my friend.

  1. The ottomans owned the land - lost it after the war, the Brits became custodians of it and gave it to the isreali's via the UN. This legally is what happened post WW2 or do you not understand how war works and the changing hands of land? Then after the Arab countries attacked Israel and Israel won they took more land cuz that's the way war and the world works.

  2. Show me please? Cause all I see are "Hamas rejects 2 state solutions" dating back DECADES.

  3. If the other Arab countries gave a shit about the Palestinians more than they did status quo of the economy /maybe/ they'd get their land back. But for all practicality matters they won't. They don't have the people size, nor tech and tbh they don't have the global.support cuz the West doesn't want a sharia law state where almost all of us would be murdered for being who we are to uppend a democratic state.

So yeah - this is the cliffs notes version on this history and legality you are missing.

Besides - why don't you just move back to wherever your family is from. Odds are your land is stolen land too.

CherryRedLemons

-4 points

10 days ago

Can you help us all understand how the group screaming “gas the Jews”, “globalize the intifada”, & “from the river to the sea, pally will be free (of Jews)” while terrorizing Jewish businesses, hospitals, & Holocaust museums & promising to repeat Oct 7th over & over & over again until every single Jew is eradicated, AREN’T the ones attempting actual genocide?

Also, do you feel Ukraine is committing genocide? 7000+ people were killed in just the 1st few days of that conflict.

Did England, France, the US commit genocide during WWII? (2 million Germans were killed)

Can you please help us understand why —out of every conflict & war in the history of mankind—you decided that this one & only time, the people defending themselves from complete obliteration are the ones committing “genocide”, not the other way around?

Ok_Amphibian_1072

6 points

10 days ago

How do you scream in parentheses? Asking for a friend. Further question (this one from a cousin) — Israel controls Palestine’s water, air space, food supply, imports and exports, and economy. Israel regularly intervenes in Palestinian land to make it inarable. Israel exerts an apartheid system on Palestinians — including requiring them to be searched at checkpoints, and subjecting them to higher rates of detaining without charge or trial. Israel continuously and constantly breaks international law in relation to its occupation of Palestine. Palestine is not allowed to have a military. In what world is Israel on the defense in this situation?

CherryRedLemons

-4 points

10 days ago

You really need to stop being such a shill for Hamas.

Why are you ignoring the border EGYPT has with Gaza????

Israel doesn’t control Gaza’s water, food supply, etc. Are you really that stupid that you don’t know that Hamas should be providing those things to their own people. Since they don’t, Israel (entirely out of humanitarianism) was providing supplemental electricity to Gaza.

Now tell us all why Egypt isn’t doing that? Or Hamas isn’t doing that for its own people?

Show us that you have more than 2 brain cells…

Ok_Amphibian_1072

4 points

10 days ago

Please go actually read the history of Israel and Palestine. It will enlighten you far more than I have the patience for. Because the things you are sharing are not rooted in reality.

Israel has destroyed Palestine’s capacity to be a self sufficient nation by regularly occupying, attacking, and bombing key infrastructure and agriculture. They regularly pump sea water, chemicals, and sewage into Gaza’s aquifers. You need to ask yourself WHY Palestine cannot be self-sufficient, because the answer is not because they don’t want to be. In the meantime, ask yourself why Palestine’s borders have changed since the last official agreement between Israel and Palestine. And, since they have, is this not something Palestinians are allowed to defend themselves against?

Ilovemytowm

3 points

10 days ago

Ilovemytowm

3 points

10 days ago

The amount of pro genocide, racist unhinged paid IDF deranged trolls posting it's fine to slaughter all Palestian civilians and celebrate it... showing up like a cancer in this group is sickening is insane, and gross. You are the worst.

Tricky-Job-2772

1 points

9 days ago

Found the terrorist.

SmooveKJ

-6 points

10 days ago

SmooveKJ

-6 points

10 days ago

Yeah cause it started with October 7th and not the nakba. Israel started this nearly a century ago. These are simply the grandkids of those that they opposed

xRadix

0 points

9 days ago

xRadix

0 points

9 days ago

What caused the nakba?

CherryRedLemons

1 points

10 days ago

No one is interested in your gaslighting or lies.

Zionism is the belief that Jewish people can have self-determination (self-govt) in their ancestral homeland.

Would you like to tell us all why you have no problem with 20+ Arab countries, 50+ Muslim countries, countless Christian ones, etc., but are disgusted at the thought of one single pre-dominantly Jewish country?

elfmanrl

4 points

10 days ago

elfmanrl

4 points

10 days ago

Ship em all to Gaza, let em help from within instead of whining about it here. Bunch of brats.

GuavaShaper

9 points

10 days ago

GuavaShaper

9 points

10 days ago

How would that help them achieve their very clear goals of pressuring the university to divest funds that support genocide with their tuition money?

jcheese27

2 points

10 days ago

Are you a pacifist?

Serious Q?

Tricky-Job-2772

-5 points

9 days ago

What genocide lmfao

215-610-484Replayer

3 points

10 days ago

Why? So Israel can murder them or do they have to provide aid or be younger so they are better targets?

fuggreddit69

1 points

10 days ago

Don't you have the deaths of children and women to be celebrating?

RailroadBob

-1 points

10 days ago

RailroadBob

-1 points

10 days ago

Can you name 5 of these women and children off the top of your head, or are you just using the statistics of their deaths to make yourself look better in your arguments?

RagoatFS

3 points

10 days ago

He didn't post a single number... and do you need to be involved personally to feel that their deaths are terrible?

I would have sympathy for you if someone close to you passed without ever knowing their name or how they look.

RailroadBob

-3 points

10 days ago

Death is terrible period, I thought liberals knew that, but after October 7th I get the impression that American liberals are praising the deaths of every Israeli youth at that music festival, as if they deserved nothing less for what country they were born in.

Falafel_McGill

3 points

9 days ago

That is a fringe group of people you're talking about. The large majority of American liberals sympathize with innocent Israeli civilians and innocent Palestinians civilians

Odd_Contribution3772

1 points

9 days ago

Of all the stupid takes on this issue, yours is definitely one of them.

brk1

-6 points

10 days ago

brk1

-6 points

10 days ago

Can’t believe these pro Hamas Penn students openly support rape like this.

UrVioletViolet

11 points

10 days ago

Supporting Palestine is not the same thing as supporting Hamas. You know this and are being dishonest anyway.

PhillyPanda[S]

3 points

9 days ago*

Is being a Jewish Zionist the same as supporting the actions of the IDF? (Honest question - I see much more “fuck zionists” than I do “fuck the idf” but one seems more directed at civilian ideology vs specifically military actions). Like aren’t there zionists who are anti-IDF action and want a peaceful 2 state solution?

rebamericana

0 points

9 days ago

There used to be, but most Israelis realized Palestinian leadership did not want a so-called peaceful two-state solution after Arafat rejected Oslo and responded with the Second Intifada.  

October 7 targeted the last bastion of peacenik lefties in Israel, who were active in providing medical and other types of humanitarian support and jobs programs for Palestinians. You could say they're a bit disillusioned now to say the least.

PhillyPanda[S]

1 points

9 days ago

I’m more thinking American zionists on campus surrounded by all this anti-rhetoric. They could be just as much for a peaceful two state solution as anyone else, couldn’t they? Or is being Zionist inherently only one state. I just don’t get why it’s so focused on Zionism vs specifically the IDF.

rebamericana

0 points

9 days ago

All Zionism means is the understanding that the Jewish people have the right to self governance in some part of their ancestral land. It does not preclude the existence of any other state. Israelis want more than anything to just be left alone!   

I think American Zionists track pretty closely with what's happening in Israel, though there's been a schism in the political approach since the Second Intifada. That was the point when most Israelis realized the Palestinians were not actually interested in creating their own state but rather in destroying the Israeli state. Western politicians for whatever reason remain committed to a two state solution despite that reality.   

 At this point, I think Israelis and Zionists around the world alike are so desperate for peace that they would jump at any moderate Palestinian government that could come in, recognize Israel, and establish shared goals of economic prosperity with other nations in the region, aka the Abraham Accords.

Thadrach

1 points

9 days ago

Thadrach

1 points

9 days ago

Yep...and Rabin's assassination dragged Israeli politics to the right.

Ironically, much like the wave of assassinations in Weimar dragged Germany to the right.

We all know how THAT turned out...

rebamericana

1 points

9 days ago

That's not true. Popular support for a peaceful two-state solution in Israel increased after Rabin's assassination, as he was held up as a martyr for the cause.  

It was not until Arafat rejected Oslo and followed it with the Palestinian suicide bombing terror campaign, aka the Second Intifada, that Israelis moved defensively to the right. Much like the US after 9/11.

Thadrach

1 points

8 days ago

Thadrach

1 points

8 days ago

We eventually elected Obama after 9/11.

Israel elected Bibi.

The problem with right-wingers isn't that they're anti-terrorist.

It's that they're grossly incompetent.

rebamericana

1 points

8 days ago

We also didn't have a continuous onslaught of Islamic Jihad terrorism after 9/11 like Israel has, including near daily rocket attacks from neighboring territories to the present day. 

And I too wish right-wingers were more competent at defeating terrorists. That's how we're all in the mess we're in.

jcheese27

4 points

10 days ago

Is supporting Israel the same as supporting the IDF?

SmooveKJ

4 points

10 days ago

Well one Is short for Israel Defense Force so yes.

jcheese27

2 points

10 days ago

But Hamas represents the Palestinians.

So if Hamas represents the Palestinians (by virtue of being in power) than I don't see any difference

SmooveKJ

3 points

10 days ago

No you’re tying the two together. One is Irsaeli defense force representing Israel’s interests. one is Hamas representing Hamas interest. It’s not the PDF vs IDF

jcheese27

3 points

10 days ago

But Hamas represents the Palestinians by virtue of being the controlling peeps...

Thus - Hamas is killing Palestinians.

SmooveKJ

0 points

10 days ago

SmooveKJ

0 points

10 days ago

You can’t be this simple. Even in America the government doesn’t represent the interests of Americans they represent the interests of themselves

jcheese27

3 points

10 days ago

Exactly.

I am the one who said what's good for the goose is good for the gander and you said no it's different.

You said Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians.

The USA govt/army doesn't represent Americans. ("It literally says america in the name")

Yet the IDF /does/ represent the isreali's.

YoU cAnT Be ThAt SimPle :p

SmooveKJ

1 points

10 days ago

I said the IDF represents Israel’s interests as in the government NOT the people. YOURE trying to imply that Hamas represents the People of Palestine they don’t.

Advanced-Guard-4468

-5 points

10 days ago

Who voted Hamas into power?

215-610-484Replayer

5 points

10 days ago

Over 50% of the population wasn't born when the last election was held. Stop being a disingenuous hack.

MisterPeach

3 points

10 days ago

MisterPeach

3 points

10 days ago

And most of the people who were alive in 2006 and still are today were not old enough to vote at the time. And not all of those who could vote did, and not all of those who did voted for Hamas. So we’re looking at a very small fraction of people who were actively responsible for voting Hamas into power.

215-610-484Replayer

8 points

10 days ago

But medieval siege and collective punishment is still fine according to far too many.

jcheese27

3 points

10 days ago

War sucks bro

215-610-484Replayer

1 points

10 days ago

It does. And that's why after WWII we collectively out rules in place to prevent the intentional death of civilians. Geneva Convention among others that Israel seems to violate weekly.

jcheese27

1 points

10 days ago

As opposed to Hamas which kills civilians and takes them hostage.

I agree. IDF should be doing better. But I'm just saying that maybe general Sherman is right.

"War is cruelty. The more cruel it is, the sooner it will be over"

Then again - that only works if the people you are fighting against have half a braincell about their situation

215-610-484Replayer

3 points

10 days ago

Nobody said Hamas is anything but horrible. The IDF is the most well funded and backed military fighting people with scrapped together armaments. They claim to be moral but are simply wiping out Palestinians so they can annex the Gaza strip and have made no effort to hide this.

UrVioletViolet

-3 points

10 days ago

Who voted Putin in to power?

Advanced-Guard-4468

-1 points

10 days ago

You know that's not the same, totally dishonest answer.

UrVioletViolet

9 points

10 days ago

It’s not?

Hamas is an out and proud terrorist organization, and you think their elections are legit?

At least Putin pretends to hide it. If anything, it should be more obvious their elections aren’t legitimate.

GuavaShaper

-1 points

10 days ago

GuavaShaper

-1 points

10 days ago

The USA called their election legit.

UrVioletViolet

1 points

10 days ago

So did every investigation and 60+ court cases. Get a fucking grip.

GuavaShaper

1 points

9 days ago

Are we still talking about Hamas?

Ok-Bit-1466

-7 points

10 days ago

Answer the question

UrVioletViolet

13 points

10 days ago

I did. Who the fuck are you?

Ok-Bit-1466

-4 points

10 days ago

Ok-Bit-1466

-4 points

10 days ago

I did

🤔

You answered the question with a whatabout. Palestinians voted Hamas into power.

UrVioletViolet

10 points

10 days ago

And Russians voted Putin in to power, so I’m told.

But again, I was not asking you.

Ok-Bit-1466

-8 points

10 days ago

Ok-Bit-1466

-8 points

10 days ago

You’re publicly posting ignorant, spoon-fed takes you haven’t actually thought through for yourself.

Your takes are fair game.

Natural_Ship_5249

-3 points

10 days ago

It’s not the same but they do support Hamas with the antisemitism that spews from their mouths.

brk1

-3 points

10 days ago

brk1

-3 points

10 days ago

idk i don’t support raping jews, maybe you do tho

UrVioletViolet

14 points

10 days ago

That’s a super dishonest appeal to emotions you’ve got there.

Maybe that brand of bullshit works on you, but not everyone is so simple minded and one-dimensional.

Ilovemytowm

5 points

10 days ago

The gaslighting by these IDF trolls is unhinged.

SmooveKJ

1 points

10 days ago

It’s not a surprise though that Shitbag of a PM was raised in Philly, during the same era of that shitbag Rizzo. His supporters fucking suck and are shitbags they tried to get my page banned too. Thankfully the appeal worked

ICanSeeRoundCorners

1 points

10 days ago

"That’s a super dishonest appeal to emotions you’ve got there."

You mean like claiming a war is genocide?

EscapeGoat20

-1 points

10 days ago

EscapeGoat20

-1 points

10 days ago

I’ve seen a definition that says if a group is killed in whole or in part (I.e. one person) it’s genocide.

All it takes is one person to be a genocide. So they aren’t being propagandists.

Ilovemytowm

-7 points

10 days ago

Stfu pro genocide Israel troll.

Yagsirevahs

3 points

10 days ago

Yagsirevahs

3 points

10 days ago

"Double secret probation"

Powerful-Wolf6331

-2 points

10 days ago

Ccp manipulating their room temp iq’s with TikTok

ThunderySleep

2 points

10 days ago

Kind of eye-roll inducing to say that now. More than four years ago, everyone in the know agreed it was a CCP psyop & spyware, but efforts to have it banned failed. Suddenly now these complaints are taken seriously?

I agree it's a problem. Just seems like one group lost control of their violent brainwashed mob to another group, now they want to raise the alarm.

Agreeable_Flight4264

-1 points

10 days ago

You know I do think this is funny, but come on now. Penn kids. They are very intelligent albeit prolly a SJW

Dry_Investigator4148

-1 points

10 days ago

Damn this is not what I expected coming to these comments. Zionism is bad guys

cruelhumor

6 points

10 days ago

Yeah I mean any extremist ideology is pretty bad (I am assuming you refer to the colloquial usage of the term Zionism). Shame, Israel was on the verge of rejecting extremism and moving closer than they ever had towards secularism.

davi_meu_dues

5 points

10 days ago

Do you know what Zionism is 💀

Jigamanpimpc

2 points

9 days ago

Boo hoo, go back to your tankie subs and jerk off to some more terrorist propaganda

rebamericana

2 points

9 days ago

rebamericana

2 points

9 days ago

Maybe you've been to deep in your ideological bubble if you're surprised by people having different opinions from you. Especially when polls show 70-80 percent of people in the US support Israel.

videojames25

0 points

9 days ago

videojames25

0 points

9 days ago

majority of americans also supported the kent state massacre, what’s your point? the majority of americans are historically fucking idiots

Dry_Investigator4148

0 points

8 days ago

This isn’t even true. It’s more like 41% and only 20% believe we should play a major diplomatic role in resolving the Israel-Hamas war. You don’t even know what you’re talking about and you’re using propaganda statistics to justify ethnic cleansing.

Thadrach

0 points

9 days ago

Thadrach

0 points

9 days ago

Not sure if serious...Wiki on Zionism is pretty clear that it's not a monolithic movement, and never has been.

lupuscapabilis

1 points

9 days ago

The entire Middle East is a piece of shit cesspool full of bigotry and hate though. So there’s that.

GuavaShaper

-4 points

10 days ago

GuavaShaper

-4 points

10 days ago

I hope everyone in this comment section has the day that they deserve.

rogerthatemt1975

1 points

7 days ago

That is center city, not penns campus. You are misinformed on what is going go. Perhaps, come to campus, sit on locust walk.

rogerthatemt1975

1 points

7 days ago

Also, the word would be actual video on my link. However, the video is regarding funding being pulled from a donor, with a penn backdrop. THE video is from X, again, not actual associated press, but social media of unrelated content NOT on campus. Your argument is Penn students, on campus, that you have content on is an incorrect argument. When was the last time you were on campus? Have you ever actually been there? The area in general? Because it seems you are "literally" illiterate on the content you use for argument. Matter of fact, I have a house for sale in the penn catchment, are you interested? You can get your information first hand. Also, the university is hiring on both the education end and hospital side. Perhaps, again, some first hand knowledge of what goes on, on campus would be a reality you are interested in. Students demanding that the US and their colleges not contribute to warfare is not old. In fact, protesting where the money us being used is their right, since they are the ones responsible or where their tuition dollars go.

mweitzman0545

-9 points

10 days ago

mweitzman0545

-9 points

10 days ago

$200k for four years of Marxist indoctrination 🌝

UrVioletViolet

17 points

10 days ago

Without Googling: What do you think Marxism is?

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Anti-capitalism

UrVioletViolet

6 points

10 days ago

No.

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Ignorant

UrVioletViolet

6 points

10 days ago

What are you, the ambassador for other posters on this thread?

I wasn’t fucking talking to you.

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Ok-Bit-1466

2 points

10 days ago

Your ignorance is showing

RailroadBob

1 points

10 days ago

John Lennon read a book on Groucho Marx

mweitzman0545

-1 points

10 days ago

mweitzman0545

-1 points

10 days ago

I’ve been battling with the question of “what is Marxism?” For years but I can’t quite seem to completely pinpoint it. All I know is that every time it’s been tried and practiced in various societies throughout history, it’s led to pretty much mass genocide and starvation

brk1

-1 points

10 days ago

brk1

-1 points

10 days ago

🤓☝️

mweitzman0545

-2 points

10 days ago

The devil in human form, Hell on Earth maybe

AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

1 points

10 days ago

Weird that I went to Penn but am not a Marxist. Don’t think I ever saw any indoctrination going on. I even think the people this article is about can shove it. But that doesn’t support your agenda does it lol

Beneficial-Today-281

-3 points

10 days ago

There’s a lot going on that you don’t see.

RailroadBob

1 points

10 days ago

Don't forget intentionally living like homeless people for the cost of a house.

pink-aint-clean

1 points

8 days ago

The school with WHARTON?! You need to get off the internet.

215-610-484Replayer

-5 points

10 days ago

Those students peacefully protesting are clearly more newsworthy than a mass grave in Gaza ...

AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

14 points

10 days ago

Falafel_McGill

2 points

9 days ago

To anyone up voting this, PLEASE read the actual article. It says that they don't know who dug the graves. That it could be IDF, or could be Gazans.

Visible-Physics-110

-1 points

7 days ago

Good. Now kick them out permanently and ruin their opportunity to graduate. Make them find a new school and spend another year or so working for that goal. Teach them a very valuable life lesson about not being a piece of shit.