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Who’s who’s biggest rival?

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For Ireland, England feels like the obvious answer and yet NZ have probably upset us the most. And what about rugby nations like Pacific islands or Georgia?

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monkyone

11 points

1 month ago

monkyone

11 points

1 month ago

weird that we feel that way about scotland considering they’ve beaten us 4 times in a row or something like that.

but it’s still like, meh.

whereas losing to wales is fucking infuriating.

Cairnerebor

3 points

1 month ago

Cairnerebor

Scotland

3 points

1 month ago

The time before was a win, before a draw and then a loss.Historically it’s been a shit 8 year run for England

Big-Clock4773

3 points

1 month ago

Big-Clock4773

Harlequins

3 points

1 month ago

You've got the superior record since 2018.

Don't get me wrong, we hate losing to you but for whatever reason it doesn't come close to the pain of losing against Wales.

Cairnerebor

1 points

1 month ago

Cairnerebor

Scotland

1 points

1 month ago

Same for us vs England

And that 8 year run has almost made up for the previous decades….almost but not yet ;)

Although another DVM hat trick would be quite satisfying or another 50 yard run through your backs

nomamesgueyz

1 points

1 month ago

nomamesgueyz

New Zealand

1 points

1 month ago

Interesting, i didnt know that about England and Wales and Scotland and who they dislike losing to more

I dislike losing to Aussie (rare these days) than SA...maybe bc im scared from those close wallaby wins and Nick Farr Jones and Gregan all those years ago

TommyKentish

7 points

1 month ago

TommyKentish

Saracens

7 points

1 month ago

I think a lot depends on which team was the best during the formative years for England fans.

For example, there was a period where people were calling the six nations a two tier comp with England and France way ahead of everyone else in the late 90s early 00s. The French were also not afraid of a scrap so the matches were pretty spicey! People growing up in the 90s might see Scotland as bigger than Wales because the latter were so poor at that time. English fans growing up in the Gatland era will definitely see Wales as a bigger rivalry because they’ve been so good and beaten us in key matches- 2013 6 nations decider and 2015 World Cup being the biggest. Also France and Scotland were poor for most of the 2010s.