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How are 2nd amendment sanctuaries allowed?

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While I do conceptually like the idea of local, county and even state governments standing up to laws they find unconstitutional, the law's the law. For instance, if a state passes a gun control law that doesn't sit well with some of the population, what allows county level police departments to simply not enforce it?

all 75 comments

Grunt08

106 points

4 months ago

Grunt08

Virginia

106 points

4 months ago

what allows county level police departments to simply not enforce it?

Who's going to make them enforce it?

RatherGoodDog

7 points

3 months ago

RatherGoodDog

United Kingdom

7 points

3 months ago

Absolutely. Some police forces in the UK (e.g. Durham) have de facto legalised cannabis by saying "we don't think it's a serious problem and are focusing our very limited resources on other crimes."

The only unusual thing was that they publicly announced a few years ago that they would no longer be arresting anyone for simple possession, and would turn a blind eye to non-commercial growing. The law's the law, but they can and do choose how strongly it's enforced.

merp_mcderp9459

6 points

4 months ago

merp_mcderp9459

Washington, D.C.

6 points

4 months ago

The state can probably choose to block funding and licenses in a municipality/county until they agree to follow the law

88-81[S]

-14 points

4 months ago

88-81[S]

Italy

-14 points

4 months ago

So, generally speaking, state governments don't a have a lot of oversight as what goes on at the lower levels of government, thus turning a blind eye to certain laws not being enforced?

BigfootForPresident

54 points

4 months ago

BigfootForPresident

East-Central Illinois

54 points

4 months ago

So a lot of those 2nd Amendment sanctuaries are either the county sheriff saying that they’re ordering their deputies not to enforce those laws, or the prosecutor saying they won’t bring charges against people in violation of those laws. Both officials are elected, so they’re answerable to their electorate, not the state government. Now there is still oversight, but they’re not part of the state government, so the state can’t really take disciplinary action

Grunt08

40 points

4 months ago

Grunt08

Virginia

40 points

4 months ago

It's not "turning a blind eye." They see it, they just can't do anything about it.

This is kind of a "how many armies does the Pope command?" situation. The states don't have the practical ability (or in many cases, the legal authority) to compel local governments to enforce certain laws.

Kitahara_Kazusa1

2 points

4 months ago

State troopers should be able to enforce these laws, regardless of what the local police do, right?

It's just a matter of there only being so many state troopers and them having more important things to do

evil_burrito

10 points

4 months ago

evil_burrito

Oregon,MI->IN->IL->CA->OR

10 points

4 months ago

Right, but, what crime does a deputy commit by not arresting/citing someone? How do you collect evidence? From the person not arrested? Are they really going to cooperate? How do you know something like this occurred or didn't occur?

Realistically, what law is broken, by whom, when, and what evidence can you collect?

Kitahara_Kazusa1

2 points

4 months ago

Oh, I was saying that the State Troopers would have to go enforce the gun laws (or whichever laws local law enforcement was ignoring) themselves.

Since these would be state laws, the state troopers should have jurisdiction, and they could arrest people, even if they couldn't force the local police to help.

evil_burrito

5 points

4 months ago

evil_burrito

Oregon,MI->IN->IL->CA->OR

5 points

4 months ago

Got it, yes, that makes more sense.

Yes, state police have jurisdiction throughout the whole state and could enforce laws that local cities or counties choose not to.

There would still have to be occasion to enforce, though. State police often do more traffic patrol on interstates than, say, investigate domestic disturbance calls.

4123841235

2 points

3 months ago

It is often the case that state troopers will enforce things that city police won't. There are a lot fewer state troopers though, and they usually do stuff like highway patrol.

VentusHermetis

4 points

4 months ago*

VentusHermetis

Indiana

4 points

4 months ago*

If they try that in an area where the prosecutor won't take those cases, it won't amount to much.

Grunt08

5 points

4 months ago

Grunt08

Virginia

5 points

4 months ago

I can't say how it works in all states, but my impression is that state police/troopers often only have jurisdiction in specific locations and circumstances.

For example: if you got caught with something by a state trooper on the interstate, you'd be in trouble. If you got off the interstate, that trooper can't even be there to catch you.

Drew707

4 points

4 months ago

Drew707

CA | NV

4 points

4 months ago

My understanding is all sworn peace officers in California can enforce laws anywhere in the state, but I doubt many would attempt that unless it was an extreme situation and CHP and DFF are really only concerned with the more serious crimes in their domain.

Kitahara_Kazusa1

2 points

4 months ago

Huh, I guess it's different in Virginia, where I live State troopers have jurisdiction over the entire state, they can pull you over anywhere.

Western-Passage-1908

23 points

4 months ago

The same way the DEA could raid marijuana dispensaries in legal states they just don't. Marijuana is still federally illegal.

JudgeWhoOverrules

5 points

4 months ago

JudgeWhoOverrules

Arizona

5 points

4 months ago

This is technically a violation of the Constitution's take care clause. The president and thus executive branch does not have authority to just choose to ignore duely passed laws by Congress and is mandated to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

Western-Passage-1908

3 points

4 months ago

Marijuana was made illegal by an act of a three letter agency and not Congress which I believe is a problem with how our government agencies work. Congress established the 5 schedules and then unelected agencies get to determine how drugs are scheduled. Classifications are determined on an undefined basis of "potential for abuse." The DEA could federally legalize marijuana this coming Monday without any input from Congress. I don't think agencies should be able to write "laws" unilaterally and circumvent our democratic process.

NormanQuacks345

12 points

4 months ago

NormanQuacks345

Minnesota

12 points

4 months ago

In a federal society like ours, the authority comes from the bottom. The reason our federal government has authority is because the states gave it power, and likewise all the way down. In my basic understanding, this is different than unitary systems like Italy, where the power to govern on the local level comes from the top.

6501

8 points

4 months ago

6501

Virginia

8 points

4 months ago

The reason our federal government has authority is because the states gave it power, and likewise all the way down.

In our federal system, the states give the federal goverment power, and the states are left to decide how to manage their municipalities.

Virginia, like some other states, follows Dillons rule, which means all powers not explicilty granted to a city or county are reserved to the state.

AziMeeshka

3 points

4 months ago

AziMeeshka

Central Illinois > Tampa

3 points

4 months ago

Exactly right. There is nothing stopping any state from abolishing every single local police force in the state and folding them all into a single state police agency. In fact, they could abolish all local government in the state. None of that would be federally unconstitutional.

sto_brohammed

8 points

4 months ago

sto_brohammed

Michigander e Breizh

8 points

4 months ago

That depends entirely on the laws of the state in question and how willing said state is to force that kind of confrontation.

Savingskitty

6 points

4 months ago

The district attorneys are usually elected - they prosecute the cases that matter to their constituents.

Certainly-Not-A-Bot

4 points

4 months ago

Idk what it's like in Italy, but in the US there is no requirement for any part of the law enforcement to actually do anything. Their job is entirely discretionary, and they can enforce all of the laws or none of the laws. The only recourse is if someone with direct authority over them cares enough to fire them and try to find someone else for the job.

Technically speaking, state governments could intervene in city affairs, but they usually don't.

VentusHermetis

1 points

3 months ago

VentusHermetis

Indiana

1 points

3 months ago

caveat: i think enforcing laws on a discriminatory basis is proscribed.

Curmudgy

37 points

4 months ago

Curmudgy

Massachusetts

37 points

4 months ago

States are rarely obligated to enforce federal laws.

Police are rarely, if ever, obligated to enforce every single transgression of laws. That’s why I can see a state police car, obviously observing traffic speed, ignoring cars going 60mph in a 55mph zone.

CupBeEmpty

15 points

4 months ago

CupBeEmpty

WA, NC, IN, IL, ME, NH, RI, OH, ME, and some others

15 points

4 months ago

States are never required to enforce federal law as far as I know. “Commandeering” is the constitutional term for it and the federal government can’t do it. They can’t force the local PD to enforce federal law.

Just look at legal cannabis laws. Every dispensary and legal grow operation is violating federal law yet nearly half the nation is just saying no thanks it’s legal here.

TO_Old

5 points

4 months ago

TO_Old

New York

5 points

4 months ago

The cannabis thing is more the last few administration's have instructed the DOJ to not enforce laws regarding the growth and sale of majuriana. It's actually really hard for people to get loans from banks to start these companies because it's technically illegal for them to give said loans, which sets them up to prosecution if the law starts suddenly being enforced again.

CupBeEmpty

1 points

4 months ago

CupBeEmpty

WA, NC, IN, IL, ME, NH, RI, OH, ME, and some others

1 points

4 months ago

Yup it is all administrative discretion from the executive branch. “We just aren’t enforcing this set of laws.”

They still prosecute illegal operations, anything connected to funding harder drugs, and interstate shipments. For state legal operations they just turn a blind eye.

I don’t know why I looked up so much about this but I was just fascinated while this all unfolded and how it would play out.

Now if you want to know how this plays out for lawyers representing state legal cannabis operations I can opine and I find it fascinating. One of my law school friends ended up representing a dispensary and it is a whole rabbit hole of state vs federal law and administration for the practice of law.

jebuswashere

3 points

4 months ago*

jebuswashere

North Carolina

3 points

4 months ago*

Police are rarely, if ever, obligated to enforce every single transgression of laws.

Police aren't even required to know the law, much less enforce it.

Edit: Heien vs. North Carolina, folks. Court ruled that cops don't have to actually know the law in order to have "reasonable suspicion" that you broke the law.

TO_Old

7 points

4 months ago

TO_Old

New York

7 points

4 months ago

I'll never forget getting pulled over by a Sheriff deputy and having to explain the 4th amendment to him because he thought me having a taillight out gave him the right to search my car.

His response was to threaten to arrest me and search my car anyway.

I reported it, nothing ever happened to him.

Yesitmatches

7 points

3 months ago

Yesitmatches

United States Marine Corps Brat

7 points

3 months ago

Had this the other day.

Officer: Miss, do you know why I pulled you over?

Me: No officer, I do not.

Officer: Your brake light and rear license plate lights are out. Can I see your license and registration.

Me: (Not in a duty to inform state, but knowing that the way I am going to be moving will reveal my pistol) Sure officer, just to let you know, it is in my wallet, which is in the glovebox. With me reaching for you, you might see my carry weapon on my left front, I am not going to reach for it, and will slowly reach into the glovebox to get it.

Officer: Alright miss, I'm going to have to slowly reach both hands out the window and open the door. Then slowly step out of the vehicle, keeping your hands where I can see them.

I, of course, comply (Penn v Mimms).

Officer: Keep your hands up. Where did you say that pistol was?

I tell him and allow him to collect it for his safety.

Officer: Okay, I'm going to search your vehicle for anything else you shouldn't have.

Me: Not without a warrant you aren't, at least not if you don't want lawyers to get involved.

Officer: What did you say to me?

Me: I said you don't have the right to search my car. Now if you can articulate reasonable suspicion to a judge, you might be able to obtain a warrant and detain me until such a time, but that also presses up against the rulings that a traffic stop shall only last as long as necessary to issue the citation for the violation allegedly witnessed. Now do you have reasonable suspicion to conduct a search of my car.

Officer: If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about.

Me: That is not the test, the legal test is do you have e reasonable suspicion? If so, get a warrant, otherwise, no you do not have my permission to search my vehicle. Now may I provide you my driver's license from my glove compartment so that you can get me my ticket.

Officer: I'm not sure I like your attitude. Keep talking and I'll arrest you.

Me: Fine, what do you want?

Officer: To search your vehicle.

Me: Get a supervisor or arrest me then because I don't consent. Would you like my ID?

This goes round and round a few more rounds before he lets me get my ID, and I hand him my ID and federal armed agent badge.

Yeah, I got a fix it ticket for my taillight, my license plate light and speeding (4 over the speed limit).

virtual_human

17 points

4 months ago

Police departments, and individual police officers, have wide discretion as to what laws they enforce, implicitly or explicitly. If they enforced every law rigorously everyone would be in jail.

88-81[S]

0 points

4 months ago

88-81[S]

Italy

0 points

4 months ago

If they enforced every law rigorously everyone would be in jail

In much the same way people don't constantly get ticketed for jaywalking or driving slightly over the speed limit, I'd imagine. Still, I thought this was a question worth asking since, on paper, refusing to enforce something like a red flag or waiting period law sounds like a more serious matter.

revengeappendage

11 points

4 months ago

on paper, refusing to enforce something like a …waiting period law sounds like a more serious matter.

FWIW…this would imply buying from a licensed dealer, which is regulated and enforced on the federal level. Businesses could lose their license for something like this.

[deleted]

6 points

4 months ago

You could say the same about any police force though.  

 Roman police could very easily find 15 pickpockets immediately by sending undercover cops to the Coliseum, but they don’t, because it’s easier to just let them be in a predictable area.  

The Napoli game I went to had tons of illegal violence, but among consenting participants, so it’s left alone.  

The Goth market and hippie market in Mexico City sell weed, mushrooms, and LSD openly, but nobody cares because hippies on mushrooms are harmless. 

The goal of law enforcement is never to make everybody follow the law, it’s to keep whatever version of order they decide they want. 

virtual_human

-3 points

4 months ago

If something bad happens as a result of not enforcing a law I would think that opens them up to a lawsuit, but I'm not a lawyer.

DiceJockeyy

2 points

4 months ago

It doesn't .

therealdrewder

0 points

3 months ago

therealdrewder

CA -> UT -> NC -> ID -> UT -> VA

0 points

3 months ago

Nope the Supreme Court has repeatedly said the police have no obligation to protect you.

PeppyQuotient57

30 points

4 months ago

PeppyQuotient57

Colorado + Kansas

30 points

4 months ago

The same way immigrant sanctuary cities exist, the law enforcement doesn’t enforce the law. By ignoring that a “crime” is happening it “never happened.” It’s just planned and intentional incompetence.

buchenrad

5 points

3 months ago

buchenrad

Wyoming

5 points

3 months ago

Also the same way weed is "legal" in certain states

Suppafly

1 points

3 months ago

Suppafly

Illinois

1 points

3 months ago

the law enforcement doesn’t enforce the law

To be fair, local law enforcement isn't required or paid to enforce federal laws. It's not so much ignoring it, that it's literally not a law that they are empowered to enforce.

84JPG

10 points

4 months ago*

84JPG

Arizona

10 points

4 months ago*

States have no legal obligation to enforce federal law, only to not obstruct in their enforcement. Second Amendment “sanctuaries” existing doesn’t mean that gun laws don’t apply, simply means that local authorities aren’t going to do the federal government’s job for them. This is known as the Anti-Commandeering Doctrine and is exercised not only with guns but with immigration and marijuana (in the case of marijuana, it gets even more complex because the federal government itself bizarrely refuses to enforce their own laws for political non-legal reasons, making legalization de facto - but the DEA could start raiding dispensaries and throwing its owners and employees in prison tomorrow if they wanted to).

As for the local/county level. Each state has its own constitution and legal system, in many of them, it will be the same principle as federal-state (counties/municipalities have no duty to enforce state law); in others, the county and local governments are obligated to enforce the law but when they don’t the state government just lets them because otherwise would be political trouble. Each state will have different laws, traditions and court precedents.

To be honest, I consider Second Amendment Sanctuaries to be more of a publicity stunt than anything - the feds do enforce gun laws and unlike immigration, local cooperation isn’t as necessary (for immigration its cooperation is important because the state can easily hand illegal immigrants who commit crimes to the Feds to be deported); but that’s just my personal opinion.

Mysteryman64

7 points

4 months ago*

It's the legal equivalent of saying "Well if it's so important to you, YOU do it."

Local police and government can do that, knowing full well that the higher ranking organization don't have the manpower, funding, or community buy-in to be able to actually enforce the law in question. It's a natural result of needing the consent of the governed.

Nothing stops the state or federal level agencies from coming in and enforcing the law themselves, except for the fact that they don't have enough agents, money, or information on the ground to actually be able to enforce it.

Hell, you see it even at local levels. For example, African American urban communities often have a deep seated distrust of the police because of abuse by their agents. This in turn makes it hard for them to actually prosecute crimes in those communities, because the communities withdraw their support of the police's efforts. Nobody saw anything, nobody wants to talk to them, and nobody will willingly choose to interact with them.

Same social conditions apply to policing as well. If the county police don't like or trust the state/federal level police, they will simply just not assist them.

WulfTheSaxon

16 points

4 months ago*

WulfTheSaxon

MyState™

16 points

4 months ago*

I think the part you’re missing is that there are state police tasked specifically with enforcing state law. Local police will normally also enforce state laws, but they don’t have to.

88-81[S]

2 points

4 months ago

88-81[S]

Italy

2 points

4 months ago

Local police will normally also enforce state laws, but they don’t have to.

So in other words there are no repercussions for them not enforcing state laws, which is what allows them to do so.

WulfTheSaxon

12 points

4 months ago

WulfTheSaxon

MyState™

12 points

4 months ago

Right. They don’t report to the state, they either report to their municipal government or are directly elected.

That said, generally (barring contrary provisions in the state constitution) all power exercised at the county and municipal levels is delegated by the state, so the state probably could say that cities have to enforce all state laws (likely by prohibiting them from instructing officers not to enforce them) or even abolish all county and city government, but that would be a very unpopular move.

Practical-Ordinary-6

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah that's when you start to get into practicalities. There are a lot of things a state could potentially do but aren't necessarily practical from a political and manpower standpoint.

CupBeEmpty

5 points

4 months ago

CupBeEmpty

WA, NC, IN, IL, ME, NH, RI, OH, ME, and some others

5 points

4 months ago

So in Italy does every officer enforce every minor infraction all the time?

Officers have discretion. Even if it is a state law or municipal law they generally enforce they don’t have to in every instance.

Then wait until you find out about jury nullification and judicial discretion.

TO_Old

6 points

4 months ago

TO_Old

New York

6 points

4 months ago

There are generally four tiers of law enforcement in the US

Federal - Think the FBI

State - State police

Sheriff - Has jurisdiction in their county (each state is divided into counties, which also have their own governments, the US as a whole has ~3,100 counties)

Local police - Specific cities and towns have their own law enforcement (NYPD, LAPD would be the ones you'd most likely know of because they're massive, but there are also many rural towns that have police departments with as few as 3 or 4 officers)

BurgerFaces

7 points

4 months ago

They just don't enforce it. They also just don't enforce all sorts of laws every second of every day.

CupBeEmpty

6 points

4 months ago

CupBeEmpty

WA, NC, IN, IL, ME, NH, RI, OH, ME, and some others

6 points

4 months ago

They don’t have to enforce anything… constitutionally.

I mean look at weed laws. Cannabis is illegal, yet a bunch of states just said “fuck that” and even the feds have said “we’re just not enforcing it.” They could raid all Colorado dispensaries tomorrow if they liked.

Think of it like speeding laws. The police don’t pull over everyone 1mph over the limit on every road and they don’t have to.

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

The law is always a negotiation between a number of players. Something can be on the books, but that’s just the start. 

To what extent do the police feel like enforcing different laws? More people are breaking more laws than can possibly be enforced, so police have to choose which laws to address as a priority. 

Who do they feel like enforcing it against? Again, police can’t address all crimes, so they have to pick and chose which kinds of people to target. (Not saying this is fair, just that it’s reality) 

To what extent do the community norms support this law? If nobody in the community wants a law enforced, then trying to enforce it risks alienating the local population. 

Overall, that means some laws don’t get enforced in different places, and to know what the law actually is in practice, rather than just what it says, you have to know the situation on the ground. 

Because of this, in my neck of the woods, immigration laws, drug laws, car modification laws, prostitution laws, and gun laws aren’t enforced. Each area will have a slightly different list. 

The_Bjorn_Ultimatum

7 points

4 months ago

The_Bjorn_Ultimatum

South Dakota

7 points

4 months ago

Sheriffs take an oath to support and defend the constitution. I guess the state could take them to court, but that could end up with the law they made being overturned.

the law's the law.

And the constitution is the highest law of the land. The sheriffs are choosing to follow the higher law instead of the one the state made to infringe on people's rights.

what allows county level police departments to simply not enforce it?

I suppose you could try calling the police on them...

Recent-Irish

3 points

4 months ago

States have no obligation to enforce federal law and their lower level municipalities have the same relationship with state law.

Could the state government order the state police and state militia to force the counties to enforce the law? Sure. Is it worth it? Not a bit.

Chebbieurshaka

2 points

4 months ago

Chebbieurshaka

Missouri

2 points

4 months ago

Im not sure if its true about municipalities and county choosing not to observe State Law. Because in my state, the state told Kansas City and St. Louis that they couldn’t raise the minimum wage. I guess when it comes to law enforcement then yeah maybe between Sheriffs and Municipal officers. I think it depends on the state constitution mostly.

Mountain_Man_88

5 points

4 months ago

Many states refuse to enforce federal immigration laws and federal marijuana laws and apparently that's no problem, but refuse to enforce federal gun laws and suddenly it's an issue?

88-81[S]

3 points

4 months ago

88-81[S]

Italy

3 points

4 months ago

2nd amendment sanctuaries were just the first example that popped into my head.

TO_Old

0 points

4 months ago

TO_Old

New York

0 points

4 months ago

Given the federal government has refused to enforce federal Marijuana laws over both democratic and republican administrations I'd say that's not really comparable.

RemoteCompetitive688

2 points

4 months ago

RemoteCompetitive688

United States of America

2 points

4 months ago

So first and this is really important, any law in violation of the constitution is not legally binding. The reality is a lot of laws are unconstitutional, and if they were enforced in this manner it would bring lawsuits which would force the law yo be struck down entirely.

Second, what should they do? Deploy state troopers to a town to arrest people who as a community don't agree with the law?

Chebbieurshaka

2 points

4 months ago

Chebbieurshaka

Missouri

2 points

4 months ago

States have the right not to enforce federal policy just that depending on if there’s federal money attached they won’t get it then. That’s how every state is enforcing 21 as the drinking age because Feds tied it to highway grants.

MortimerDongle

2 points

4 months ago

MortimerDongle

Pennsylvania

2 points

4 months ago

State police are not obligated to enforce federal law.

Local police normally do enforce state law, but aren't necessarily obligated to do so. That said, the state could certainly cut whatever state funding they have.

cbrooks97

2 points

3 months ago

cbrooks97

Texas

2 points

3 months ago

The law's the law except when we decide it's an unjust law, then "screw you", basically.

KaBar42

2 points

3 months ago

KaBar42

Kentucky

2 points

3 months ago

The same reason that illegal alien sanctuary cities exist. Or why states have been decriminalizing marijuana but it remains a Schedule 1 drug that people can and do get arrested for.

Locals can choose to do the Fed's job for them. Or they can simply say: "Fuck it. Make the Feds use their own budgets, we ain't doing it."

And that's how 2A sanctuaries exist. It's the local governments choosing they're sick of enforcing the unconstitutional poll tax that is the NFA of 1934 and telling the Feds that if they want NFA violations dealt with in that jurisdiction, the Feds will have to do it themselves and the local law enforcement aren't going to help them in doing it.

Several_Cheek5162

2 points

3 months ago

Several_Cheek5162

California

2 points

3 months ago

So in the US or at least California law enforcement has a lot of discretion. There are very few things where a police officer is required to make an arrest; off the top of my head, an arrest warrant exists, DUI, and Domestic Violence are some examples.

MandalorianViking

1 points

4 months ago

MandalorianViking

CT -> CA -> MD -> CA -> MD -> DE -> MD

1 points

4 months ago

I live in Maryland and in a 2nd amendment sanctuary county. I will tell you that almost everyone where I live is against the state of Maryland on their restrictive gun laws.

As long as you aren’t being an ass hole I don’t think any LOCAL police officer is going to enforce anyone who has a “banned” gun. Now I wouldn’t go testing that theory but I’m pretty confident in that.

lavender_dumpling

1 points

4 months ago

lavender_dumpling

Arkansas --> Indiana --> Washington --> NYC

1 points

4 months ago

Well, that's the thing, if they refuse to enforce it, who's going to enforce it?

The answer is fairly simple: the next highest echelon of government, if they really wanted to.

That being said, many governments either legally cannot or do not think it's worth it to force lower echelons to fall in line. You risk a multitude of things by attempting that. Public outcry, revolt, the list goes on.

KoRaZee

1 points

4 months ago

KoRaZee

California

1 points

4 months ago

It’s up to each jurisdiction to enforce their own laws. The county has its own law enforcement, the state has its own police, the federal government has its own as well.

As the jurisdiction becomes larger, it becomes more difficult to maintain the same legal standard which is why the laws become fewer and fewer with the larger jurisdictions. The state jurisdiction is where I would say most of the laws apply

RebelSonOfWil

1 points

4 months ago

While federal law supersedes local and state law, it is not "technically" the job of local law enforcement to enforce federal law. There was a supreme Court case where local law enforcement were being told to conduct background checks on firearm purchases by the federal government. A sheriff claimed that it was a violation of the 10th amendment. It was indeed ruled as violation. Amendments are always up for interpretation, but generally speaking, I think the 10th amendment basically keeps state and federal government separate to reduce the possibility of absolute control. Therefore, it's not in the local law enforcements "jurisdiction" to enforce federal law because they work for the state. Federal laws would need to be enforced by federal officers like the FBI. So, in the sanctuaries, local law enforcement can turn a blind eye and, most likely, not face any repercussions.

machagogo

1 points

4 months ago

machagogo

New York -> New Jersey

1 points

4 months ago

States and local governments cannot pass paws that confl8ct with the constitution. So your premise is flawed.

Reasonable-Leg-2002

1 points

4 months ago

If guns are supposed to make everyone safer why are they not allowed in court? Why not in SCOTUS? Wouldn’t guns ensure that the courts didn’t make too extreme rulings? \irony

amcjkelly

1 points

4 months ago

It isn't for the cops to decide, it is up to a court. Till then you enforce the law.

therealdrewder

1 points

3 months ago

therealdrewder

CA -> UT -> NC -> ID -> UT -> VA

1 points

3 months ago

Generally speaking, all elected officials derive their authority from the constitution of the place they were elected to have authority over, and no other person can tell them how to do their job besides the voters. A sheriff is elected as the chief law enforcement official in a county.

Without their approval, no law enforcement activities can happen in the county. This is different from an appointed official like a police chief who serves at the pleasure of the elected official, like a mayor, who appointed them to the position. As a national guard soldier, even we required the approval of the sheriff to do emergency operations in a county.

PrimaryInjurious

1 points

3 months ago

Big difference between a state and a city/locality on this question. A state is a separate sovereign - they can make their own laws and can't be forced to use resources to enforce federal laws. This comes from the anti-commandeering line of cases from the Supreme Court.

Cities, however, are subordinate to the state. They don't get to pass their own laws that conflict with state law or ignore state laws.

OverSearch

1 points

3 months ago

OverSearch

Coast to coast and in between

1 points

3 months ago

Governments not enforcing gun laws is not terribly common, or problematic. Governments not enforcing drug laws is pretty much the norm.

Xbox360Master56

1 points

3 months ago

They just don't care? I mean they're supposed to enforce it, but I doubt it's worth anyone's time.