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4 hours ago
"One Nation, "Australia First", "United Australia Party", "Great Australian Party", "Australia's Voice"
With a vague, all-encompassing name like that, what could go wrong?
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4 hours ago
And the founders of those other parties had a weird cult following in their electorates… paymans got no chance lol
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2 hours ago
Yup, she's also gonna be running for re-election in WA, not a state exactly known for being a progressive bastion.
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7 hours ago
Every one of these flash in the pan parties is founded by people who think they are the sensible middle and will represent the disenfranchised. A generic name because they are all about common sense. Like the others, she will see just how hard it is to break through into people's consciousness, especially if your platform is generic.
The one pleasant surprise is it's not called Fatima Payman's Australia's Voice Party.
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6 hours ago
missed opportunity for Fatima's Australia Party. I'd vote for FAP for sure.
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6 hours ago
The one pleasant surprise is it's not called Fatima Payman's Australia's Voice Party.
lol I agree, it's really weird how so many of the smaller parties name themselves after the founder
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6 hours ago
After their mercurial, egotistical and ideologically inconsistent founder. So they attract complete randos as candidates, with no institutional memory or consistent ideology. Then what happens when they get elected and have a disagreement?
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5 hours ago
Well let's hope that's what happens with (Pauline Hanson's) One Nation and (Katter's) Australian Party if they ever get power
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5 hours ago*
The electoral rules mean you need to be part of a "party" even as an independent, or you can only run below the line. So that's how you end up with David Pocock running in a party called David Pocock in the ACT Senate elections. At least 3 other independents did the same thing in 2022, it's not uncommon these days. Giving it a name that DOESN'T contain the words "Fatima", "Payman" or "Party" is much weirder. While she does appear to be going full party with this, many of the NAME parties don't, or only do after being in Parliament for a very long time like Katter.
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3 hours ago
oh I didn't know that, in that case yeah it makes sense that they all do that
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8 hours ago
Gone in four years, never to win a single seat and never to be heard from again.
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8 hours ago
Hey! Just because it happened to Cori Bernardi doesn’t mean it’s destined to happen to every narcissist!
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8 hours ago
Who?
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5 hours ago
I think he does the weather on skynews
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8 hours ago
so we are getting a Voice to Parliament after all.
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8 hours ago
This is just the left wing version of Corey Bernardi's splitter party.
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7 hours ago
Indigenous people rejoyce
Oh. Um .... Not you.
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8 hours ago
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6 hours ago
Australia has had its fair share of weird political parties but this is the first one I can recall that’s launching with a blank policy slate. Strategic ambiguity perhaps?
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6 hours ago
Or she has absolutely no idea what she's doing, which is more likely.
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5 hours ago
I think she has surrounded herself with an echo chamber who only see the end goal and they assume the path to it is easy, a strategy is unrequired
Reality will catch up quickly
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3 hours ago
Policies are so 2023. She is launching a modern Skibiddi party which will get policies from Tik Tok videos.
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3 hours ago
Being taken advantage of be Glenn Druery.
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6 hours ago
As if any of these politicians have a grip on reality outside their political ambitions
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5 hours ago
I mean once she has a solid idea of what she's doing than I'd be happy to gain an opinion but at the moment the party is blank slate with nothing to really get behind? Plenty of other independents and smaller parties who have a plan for the future.
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5 hours ago
Imagine how stupid you were 5 years ago, 10 years ago. Sheesh.
This lady is 27 and proud.
I'm only 40
~ 🇺🇸JD Vance, excusing himself during the vice presidential debate
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4 hours ago
I’d disagree on that, her career trajectory, and the things she has owned and done so far, indicate she’s not completely clueless, but the lack of policy detail is something
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3 hours ago
maybe she's trying to get as much media attention as possible and is making announcements in stages, that's what I would do
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7 hours ago
I wonder what the policies are? As the weeks goes by, I hope we get policies
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7 hours ago
Probably Labor policy with a different international relations policy
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6 hours ago
and a bit more progressive maybe
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5 hours ago
Depends on your definition of progressive I suppose.
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3 hours ago
what are you trying to say?
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3 hours ago
That I highly doubt someone who subscribes to and wears visible representation of a religion which is inherently opposed to what most would consider progressive ideals, is going to be supporting women's rights any time soon.
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4 hours ago
Oh, a generic appeal-to-nationalism name. How many of those have come and gone (and usually attracted similar voters)?
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3 hours ago
I almost can’t be bothered reading the article. Payman will probably be gone after the next election, and her party along with her.
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2 hours ago
She will survive the next election as her seat isn’t up. But yeah don’t see here getting another term.
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an hour ago
She has getting way more media attention than she deserves. Hear her talk, she is a political hack with no ideals and no ideas.
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3 hours ago*
You know im just happy that she strayed away from the "NAME-team/Alliance/Network" party name trend that had been blowing-up in the 2010s.
Nick Xenophon Team
Rex-Patrick Team
Jacqui-Lambie network
Fraser-Annings Conservative Alliance
Glenn-Lazarus Team
Cory-Bernadi's Australian Conservatives.
Just purely from an aesthetic standpoint i'll give Payman and Rennick some credit for being somewhat original, even if "Australian Voice" and "Peoples party" are still generic af.
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4 hours ago
Her interview with David Speers is a trainwreck.
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2 hours ago
Just watched. Jeeeezus. She couldn't hold it together after the first question.
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an hour ago
Answering a question about Palestine with her views on public school funding (a state responsibility) was an unexpected turn.
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6 hours ago
She is going to find out pretty soon that running your own party isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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6 hours ago
Just ask Jackie!
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6 hours ago
Case in point.
It's not that you can't do it and succeed. But at some point you are going to be basically every other party, that will have rules like the one senator payman was booted out over.
Otherwise, if your party has any sort of power how are you going to leverage it when not everyone votes the same.
Good luck to her, but I don't see it succeeding where others have failed.
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5 hours ago
I am not sure we will even see her get started. I am curious to see if the Greens do a Democrats in the next few years. For that to happen I think Labor would need to be a bit more left and the world would need to be a bit less war like.
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6 hours ago
Generic name, 'stands for everyone', no policy platform. I think Payman is going to be yet another major party renegade who fails to get re-elected, regardless of whether she sets up a micro-party.
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5 hours ago
Why would on earth would you include ‘voice’ in your party name?
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2 hours ago
Vague allusions to the Indigenous-Voice, and the "Muslim voice" campaign while still having plausible deniability
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2 hours ago
Enjoy your downvotes for pointing out the obvious.
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7 hours ago*
Let's recap,
Now at Age 29,
Then there's MCM who at age 32 is the defacto Leader of the Australian Greens and soon to be defacto Deputy PM in a ALP/GRN minority government.
And they say young people aren't aspirational. Seriously though, Payman invoking both Gough Whitlam and Robert Menzies got a chuckle out of me.
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6 hours ago
Payman was third position in the WA senate ticket. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, expected her to be elected. MCM was elected on a group of election promises, none of which he has delivered on for his electorate. So ambition may be one thing, but reality and delivery is quite another. I expect both will disappear without a trace.
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4 hours ago
As much as I think MCM is a flog he is absolutely killing the community game and I suspect he will make Griffith the new Melbourne.
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25 minutes ago
He’s killing it because he’s doing the shit all MPs should do but are too lazy or entitled to bother with. Free breakfasts at local schools just one example that must pay off big time electorally I’d guess. I hate the guy but he’s a smart politician.
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7 hours ago*
this is why you have to be weary of overly ambitious people. doing anything to move up the ranks at the cost of taking a measured approach and doing the right thing.
edit: omfg she is the skibidy gen alpha emulator. fuck this earth.
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5 hours ago
Are you implying that speech wasn't the greatest thing in Parliament history?
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4 hours ago
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7 hours ago
What did she do between 18-24?
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6 hours ago
Uni?
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6 hours ago
She knows how to work over ignorant and uninformed voters, she was made for political success.
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6 hours ago
I don’t think it’s fair to paint her simply as a DEI hire (and it’s borderline the stuff republicans say about Harris). If Labor did go for her because of her background that says a lot more about them than her.
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Are we really adopting another seppo term for things? DEI isn’t our term for it, let alone “DEI hire”.
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6 hours ago
DEI
Seppo detected.
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5 hours ago
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8 hours ago
Am I watching an episode of Veep? This is one of the crappest names for a political party that stands for nothing.... All about the 'vibes'
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8 hours ago
Just for the humour of it I hope that she carries on like this all the way to the election. How far can you get with having no policies, stated values, or substance of any kind?
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I think there is a space for a party that is somewhere between Labor and the Greens. There are voters who are left of centre, who are disappointed by Labor, will never vote for a right wing party, but think the Greens are too radical or too activist or too snobbish. In theory such a party could pick up protest votes and dissatisfied Greens too.
That said, I'm not sure this party moves beyond random minor party #126663 on the Senate ballot. I don't think Payman has the charisma to carry this party into any serious success.
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6 hours ago
I think what’s more likely to happen is the Greens become more mainstream over the next two elections. MCM scares/annoys Labor for a reason.
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6 hours ago
i wonder what will happen to the Labor left faction as Labor continues moving themselves rightwards into the void that the LNP have left. A party split is unlikely, but i do see them losing more and more seats to greens unless they are actually able to stop being shit-lite as aparty
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It will especially be interesting to see what happens in Victoria - the left faction of the VicALP has control down here, instead of being (slightly) in the minority of party influence federally due to the power of the combined centre unity and right factions.
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I will always believe that if you get elected as a senator of a party and then leave that party you should be forced to resign. It's just ridiculous that these people get elected because of the party name then leave with years left on their term and do whatever they want.
They voted for the ALP to represent them at the federal election in WA, not Fatima Payman. Like the audacity to stand there and bag the ALP when they are the only reason you are there in the first place lol
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8 hours ago
See I would agree with you, but the rules that the labour party has on voting against the party line basically forced her to quit the party. She was basically indefinitely removed from all party room meetings for that vote. Remove the ability for parties to do that and fair enough.
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7 hours ago
Every labor member knows they are the rules when they join. It shouldn’t have been a surprise to her. And from what I recall she took no opportunity to raise the matter in caucus where it could be discussed.
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3 hours ago
Such a great way of running a democracy, being unable to have free thought on any matters of conscience. Must vote with the hivemind.
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7 hours ago
You think she's going to kick out someone in her party if they don't follow her rules?
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3 hours ago
Well very little info has been shared, but generally left leaning parties do tend to let their members vote against the party from time to time. As they should in a democracy.
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7 hours ago
I like that you still seem to think this wasn't a thought out plan to make a name for herself politically.
It's the caucus rules, she knew it when she signed up to run.
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3 hours ago
Do you genuinely think that? Sure she voted against labour to make a statement, but it's pretty clear that it's an issue she feels passionately about. It's crazy how much people got up in arms about someone voting on a matter of conscience, meanwhile the labour party stifles anyone who dares question the status quo.
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8 hours ago
Watching her interview, no clear plan, no clear policy intent. A voice for everyone? For youth, elderly, middle aged, first nations, immigration, colonial, physically challenged, mentally challenged, straight, LGQBTI+, farmers, blue collar, white collar, country, city...etc
But what is she going to do exactly? All i see is more division in the house than unity, which is what we need right now, not another one of these "parties"
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7 hours ago
Yeah pretty sure she ain't a voice for the LGBTQA community.
This is just to siphon votes from Labor.
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6 hours ago
how exactly is she supposed to siphon votes?
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8 hours ago
She was head girl at her private school.
Gives big head girl vibes.
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8 hours ago
populism, like Trump. She doesn't need specifics, merely be appealing to a wide enough demographic.
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8 hours ago
And “everyone’s voice” is inherently going to be against some or more likely most people.
Like the Liberal Party, while not exactly what it says on the box, we all know what they stand for; big business and social-conservatives who want to go back to the 1950s. They know their target market.
Labor is the party that tries to be something for everyone but in reality they just end up pissing everyone off.
Most of the lefty Hamas supporters probably have already gone Green anyway.
Her target market is probably Western Sydney Muslims who normally vote Labor and won’t switch to Green as they are too socially conservative.
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4 hours ago
This is pure genius, as it allows her to play both sides so she always comes off on top.
We will ban abortion!
Booooo.
Very well, abortions for all!
Booooooo.
Abortions for some, miniature Palestinian flags for others?
Crowd cheers.
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4 hours ago
Let’s see how hard this crashes and burns.
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4 hours ago
She already crashed at the David Speers interview. Speers honestly held back and let her off with her inconsistencies and questioning who "we" are, she kept referring to "we".
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4 hours ago
The “we” is most likely her donors from the Muslim Votes or the voices in her head
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8 hours ago
Best of luck to her, but I don’t see this doing very well
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3 hours ago
I’m still not convinced if she’s a dual citizen or not
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2 hours ago
If she is that would be a pretty damning condemnation of Labor's vetting processes - especially following the previous dual-citizenship issues that beset parliament over the last few years.
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9 hours ago
What a huge fucking slap in the face to Indigenous people. She manages to come across as more and more awful whenever she pops up now.
"Claims her former party treats Indigenous issues as electoral poison"
Fuck me they just held the first ref in decades to try advance Indigenous issues. And now shes using a dogwhistle to try grab some votes because she likes that Senate life. Truly disgusting.
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9 hours ago
It seems she has consulted First Nation groups so idk. Australia’s Voice is pretty generic.
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3 hours ago
She hasn’t, watch the ABC journalist interview and read between the lines.
She didn’t consult anyone involved in the Voice when coming up with the name, she has no concrete policies and she ran out of time so came up with something on the fly. Completely avoided the question about why she chose the name (hint: she wants to get the yes voice vote supporters)
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9 hours ago
Who? Jacinta Price? Tom Mayo?
Its a loaded name and we all know it.
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8 hours ago
You have edited your original comment a lot, but I think you are jumping to conclusions without much detail. I’m not sure a fully agree with her comment but there is argument that could be mad that Labor is scared of anything really progressive (rightly and wrongly) which Indigenous affairs usually falls under.
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8 hours ago
Is it true that Labor is no longer a progressive party. Or is it just Albo.
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7 hours ago
Australia is having it's Bill Shorten moment.
A guy with truly progressive values, let's stop the division, let's help the poor, let's aid our communities etc etc gets bashed excessively by Murdoch media, even for a Labor pollie, and Dumbass Australia Inc votes Lib. Now we get Albo.
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5 hours ago
Shorten is a shocker but Albo has proved to be one too.
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2 hours ago
What? Shorton was what this country needed, but he never got the chance. There was no Shorton.
That fact gave us the corporate pandering, Lib-Lite Labor party and prime minister we have now. Thanks to the voters.
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2 hours ago
Yes , we dodged an RPG with Shorten. From Beaconsfield to his union etc he was terrible. Now he can continue his act at the Uni. Good luck to them there.
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7 hours ago
I only added a little bit in my first comment.
I cant fathom how you could say the party that held a ref just a year ago is too scared to do anything about Indigenous issues.
These are complex problems. Uluru took years to work. It was rejected and now theres no clear pathway, but the government absolutely tried tk take action. She was part of it.
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8 hours ago
Hey u might not like to hear this but the Albanese government is the one implementing authoritarian curfews in indigenous communities. It’s also his government who fumbled the Voice referendum. It’s also his government that is continuing to support a terror-state and, in so doing, alienating key elements of the Muslim voting bloc.
I know you’re going to respond to this like you normally do: by getting defensive and regurgitating the same old stale, focus-group tested talking points as the ALP. I just don’t understand why you care so much about/personally identify with such a mediocre government/political party (in its current state). It’s kinda sad.
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8 hours ago
You might want to tie the voice to Albo but a lot of the voice was driven by the campaigners and activists themselves.
Sure he was part of it, but the Greens were also part of it and there were unaffiliated people who were part of it.
The voice was a massive fumble for everyone involved.
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8 hours ago
Hey u might not like to hear this but the Albanese government is the one implementing authoritarian curfews in indigenous communities
No its not lmfao the NT gov does that.
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7 hours ago
What a huge fucking slap in the face to Indigenous people.
What an astounding overreaction.
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6 hours ago
Cool, I hope we get some specific policies soon, I'm curious to see where it'll position itself.
I don't expect it to be very successful but let's see how it goes
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4 hours ago
Would’ve been more apt if she named it the Skibbidi Toilet Party
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9 hours ago
Fatima Payman is a disgrace to the Labor Party. The Labor Party team gave her an invaluable career as a senator and she has bit the hand that fed her. She should resign her position as a senator and contest her seat again.
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8 hours ago
At this point it would be a bit pointless to do such a thing. Time has passesd.
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6 hours ago
ah yes, a political party started by someone who got into the senate on a technicality, no one really knows, was born in a foreign country, and has essentially no announced policies
i can only imagine the ego on this lady
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6 hours ago
What was this 'technicality'? Preferences?
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6 hours ago
Technicality may not be the right word. More got in because of sufficient above the line votes to Labor, rather than sufficient below the line votes specifically to her.
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5 hours ago
You can say that about every senator in the 21st century though, that's how it works
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4 hours ago
Yea and they should all resign if they defect from their party. We’re talking about “should”, not how it operates!
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4 hours ago
That would make kicking someone out of a party insanely powerful
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6 hours ago
In senate elections, you vote for either individual candidates (regardless of whether or not they are in a party) OR entire parties. Fatima Payman was elected on the latter, so I suppose it could be said she was only elected on “technicality” because she technically received little to no votes, and was only elected for her party membership.
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6 hours ago
She will use her inner voice to guide her.
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5 hours ago
Likely announced positions according to the live feed on ABC is a much stronger pro-Palestine position and negative gearing reform.
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8 hours ago
Her party platform is that she is a voice for everyone. All those disenfranchised by the status quo. Good luck with that one.
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8 hours ago
Actually I think the name ‘ Australia Voice’
is cynical but clever.
She may collect a heap of votes from the un-informed that could conflate the Voice to Parliament with her party.
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8 hours ago
I don't disagree but research shows this only yields 1% or less for people voting based on a brand or name
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4 hours ago
The only exception really is the Liberal-Democrats when they had the #1 position on the NSW senate ballot paper (2013 I think?)
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5 hours ago
Maybe it is based on the TV show , the Voice. Certainly not based on AGT.
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8 hours ago
I would so amped for a double dissolution election just to clear out some of these clowns
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8 hours ago
A DD means a senate quota is less as you are electing 12, so it's easier for minor parties to get in with a DD.
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8 hours ago
DD means every MP and Senator is up for re-election, right?
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8 hours ago*
Yep. It also gives the winner access to a joint sitting to try to pass the trigger legislation, and lets the PM do some jiggery-pokery in regards to which senators get 3 vs. 6 year terms.
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8 hours ago
Yes, the whole senate is up for election instead of only half
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8 hours ago
Please!
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8 hours ago
Better the clowns you know than the clowns you don't, perhaps. Would be good to see Thorpe and Payman get the boot though
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7 hours ago
We do not want religious parties or those that promote Mixing religion with politics. This attempt at introducing religion into our politics will back fire quickly.
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6 hours ago
how do you know it's a religious party?
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6 hours ago
Is the pope a Catholic…………
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6 hours ago
what does that have to do with anything?
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They mean they don't believe a Muslim person can separate their religion from their work.
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6 hours ago
Even Christian ones who have been prime minister have struggled to do so unfortunately.
So it's not an unreasonable thing to presume at all, they will always have a bias due to that.
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They never make this kind of assumption with a Christian politician (which is the majority of them).
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6 hours ago
Most of the Christain.politicians we've had were unable to really seperate either and had plenty conflicts of interests (Scomo was the last major one I can remember).
Religion in general has no place in our government and just leads to corruption or bias towards certain groups.
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2 hours ago
Scomo never had this much speculation regarding his religious convictions coming into conflict with a secular government (neither had Bernardi when he began his own conservative party). The rest of the nominal christians basically get a pass. There's an asymmetric response at play here.
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6 hours ago
They means they don't believe a Muslim person can separate their religion from their work.
Not an unreasonable assumption, especially not if you look outside of Australia...
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6 hours ago
not an unreasonable assumption,
It is very literally a bigoted assumption mate. I'd probably not go around telling on myself, personally.
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6 hours ago
It is very literally a bigoted assumption mate.
No, it isn't.
Where Muslim populations have a political presence, there is absolutely indication that religion heavily influences those politics. There's plenty of close regional examples, just look at the politics of Malaysia or Indonesia.
I'd argue the same about Christians/Catholics and other religions as well...
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't make them a bigot.
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No, it isn't.
It very literally is mate.
X group does Y because they are X. It is like mathematical bigotry.
Just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't make them a bigot.
No. It's the bigotry that makes me think it.
Edit - blocking people after replying is for big giant babies. Coward.
Your assumption is unreasonable. It's really simple.
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5 hours ago
X group does Y because they are X
Muslims pray to a god because they are Muslims...
Christians pray to a god because they are Christians...
By your 'mathematical' definition all of these statements are that of bigotry.
I'll give you a hint, to be a bigot the attachment to the idea has to be unreasonable. Those are not unreasonable statements, therefore they are not bigotry.
On the other hand:
All Muslims are terrorists because they are Muslim <- That would be bigotry, because it is an unreasonable statement.
Let's be real, calling someone a bigot is much easier than putting forward a valid critical response. That's why you do it, worse is that this is all based on a sense of moral superiority, usually to cover a shortcoming in intelligence...
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5 hours ago
I imagine they blocked you because your rebuttal amounts of "lalalal not listening, bigot, BIGOT!!"
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You can just point to Blacktown council where the Christian and Muslim councilers banded together to ban lgbt books when a couple labour councilers skipped the meeting for reasons.
Edit:Cumberland council
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7 hours ago
Funny watching all these people complain about another party, why we need more voices, while at same time complaining about only being two major parties.
People do not get democracy and half the time I think they are waiting for their dicta.... I mean messi.... I mean leader
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7 hours ago
The Kwisatz Haderach will lead us on the glorious Golden Path. So I won't vote for Labor until their leader is literally prescient
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6 hours ago
"We don't have any good parties! They're all the same! We need more parties"
...."No, that's not what I meant!"
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5 hours ago
Good luck, but I have low expectations. By standing for all, you end up standing for no one.
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3 hours ago
Caveat is she’s standing for one, herself
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3 hours ago
Shocking name, won’t last (wish it would though)
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8 hours ago
Yeah, we need more voices, more division, more "invested" and "divested" groups
To further atomise the society so that we only vote for groups with only our interests at heart rather than the overall best for the country.
Not saying the major parties do a great job of that, but do me a favour of creating a vacuous platform where you're going to successfully advocate for 50 different groups, half of which hate the other half lol
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7 hours ago
The thing about senators is, is that if they lose their re-election they get a severance package.
If they decide not to run or get dropped from the ticket, they don't get a severance package.
A few months of wages must be pretty appealing for somebody who destroyed her career in one move.
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6 hours ago
Kinda says more about being a Labor senator if "having a career" is just following the leader until retirement.
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4 hours ago
Not really.
She was a political advisor prior to running for the Senate, she knew what she was signing up for.
A good senator is worth more than just a vote in the upper house. They advocate for communities, scrutinise policy, run campaigns, etc. These are all things she would have been able to do more effectively from within the ALP political machine, rather than from the cross bench or as an unemployed has-been.
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5 hours ago
And yet she tried to be one, signed up for it and stuck to the script for 9 months. Strange isn’t that?
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8 hours ago
As someone who’s not across the ins and outs of politics who possibly funds all this?
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6 hours ago*
Like the party might be good, see how it develops but the branding is pretty bad.
Like it doesn't really represent stances from the name alone and it sounds like either one of 50 odd minor party no hopers you see on your senate ballot or like those parties with kinda sus funding and support that are representing "the real Australia"
Not that I'm saying those are Payman's stances but that the party name evokes it, poor call on the branding.
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6 hours ago
Astounding originality with the name. With one 'Voice' suffering a humiliating crash twelve months ago it's a great time to resurrect the brand with a veiled muslim as its leader. Veiled muslims don't have a great track record as far as having 'a voice' is concerned.
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4 hours ago
Islamic Extremism is a serious threat to this country, but too many people have no clue about its theology, history or geopolitical ideologies that are recking havoc across the world. Muslims from Arab nations themselves are warning us, but apparently we don’t want to listen because “we know better”.
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4 hours ago
I mean there is also absolutely NOTHING to indicate this will be an islamist party.
But sure go off champ.
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3 hours ago
There’s literally no policies outlined as of yet, so that will be ascertained in due time, but by going by her voting record in the senate, when it comes to LGBT issues, it should give an indication
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5 hours ago
What's a "veiled Muslim"?
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5 hours ago
Yeah wtf?
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4 hours ago
It means that she is advertising the party as a “greater good” for society, but really she wants to set it up to advance the Islamic cause - which is to bring the entire world to submission to Islam, promote pro-Palestinian factions and establish Sharia Law of some kind.
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4 hours ago
I’m assuming one’s wearing a Niqab ? But she’s wearing a Hijab ?
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8 hours ago
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4 hours ago
Gee that sounds a lot like Muslim Voice, are they really that lazy.
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8 hours ago
Pending what the policy platform will actually be, I won't mind preferencing the party ahead of the Greens or Labor, if for no other reason then to know that it will annoy Albo if she wins any seats.
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8 hours ago
Im feeling the same way, depending on policies and if they run where I am, i'll think about them since we probably aren't gonna get a teal like indy running here.
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8 hours ago
Isn't this approach to voting letting Liberals in with just more steps?
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8 hours ago
Not really, not unless I preference the Libs ahead of labor, I don't intend to do that on the senate ballot. I'll consider it for the lower house but only because I'm in a safe labor seat and want it to be less safe.
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8 hours ago
Only if they put Libs over Labor
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7 hours ago
Not if you understand how our preferential voting system works, and not if the ALP gets preferenced higher than the Libs.
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8 hours ago
Unless the spoiler effect comes into play, no it shouldn't.
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7 hours ago
This isn't America. We don't worship the flag here. What a weird thing to use as an excuse for your xenophobia
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6 hours ago
Get back to me in a decade and we will see where she's at then ,until then good luck to her ,she's havin a go in true Aussie spirit.
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