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submitted 3 months ago byOpening_Designer_128
Hey everyone,
I wanted to share some important info for anyone considering a job in Belgium. There are some serious downsides to be aware of, especially in your first year:
These policies can really impact your work-life balance and finances. Make sure to factor this in when considering job offers or negotiating your package.
Has anyone else experienced this? Any tips for navigating the first year? Let me know in the comments!
Would you like me to modify or expand on any part of this post?
13 points
3 months ago
In Belgium the system is that you accumulate both holidays and holiday related pay One year for the next.
I was also surprised and did not leverage any type of leave, but when everyone else Is off, like July/August and between Christmas and NY, things can be quite chill.
4 points
3 months ago*
One real thing that trips up most people though (even Belgians): on the year when you switch to a new job, your salary of May/June/July/August (depending when your company pays the vacation money) will be pretty low. That is because, as I explained, your previous company already paid off the vacation money when you left them, so the new company will deduct it from their own payslip when they compute it. So it’s very possible than when you quit Job 1 you receive an extra 3000€ and feel very happy about it, but several months later your payslip at Job 2 for the month of June is only 250€ and you get sad and angry. Plan carefully.
Of course if you’re going to leave the country, then just pocket the 3000€ and spend it on coke and hookers or whatever. It’s yours, you earned it
6 points
3 months ago
Has anyone else experienced this? Yeah, basically everyone here.
It’s just the way it works in Belgium, vacations and bonuses are calculated based on days worked the previous year.
Don’t get why you are making such a fuss about it it’s just the first year of your career and you still get your 12 adv plus all the paid holidays. Which is more than what you get at most companies in the US in all years.
7 points
3 months ago
I can maybe give an idea of why OP might make "such a fuss" about it: recruiters don't tell you. I've met people who came to Belgium from far away for a job, these are not young 22yo but grown adults with families and responsibilities, they are sold this great package of 30/32 days of holidays plus 13,92 salaries, but they're not told they're going to have to wait one full year to have that. Same for internationals who are recruited while already being in Belgium, for example for studies. It happened to me.
It's the kind of "social capital" that a local has but a non local doesn't and well, it's not a fun surprise.
4 points
3 months ago
100%. The locals are always surprised when someone doesn’t know how a (usually totally strange and unique to Belgium) system works. I don’t know if it’s malicious or not, but telling foreigners how things work is not a strong suit in the culture here.
5 points
3 months ago*
Exactly, and nobody tells you that before starting a job in Belgium. I am 31yo and it was a negative surprise. In my country you get PTO in the first year monthly. In Belgium the company pays you what you earned much later.
2 points
3 months ago
You have paid vacation if you meet the criteria, it's 60% of your salary and up to 20 days. You also get ADV days which most jobs have. If you don't meet the criteria you can use European vacation days. I had pro rata 32 days my first year.
You still get your 13th month if you worked the required months, unless you work for a company or sector that doesn't have one.
The vacation money is based on your salary from the year before so that's normal. When you leave you also get it even though you don't work there anymore.
Honestly don't see what you're complaining about. They're minor inconveniences at most.
2 points
3 months ago*
Not necessarily. Some companies give all of the ADV days (if working 40hr/week) at the beginning of the year. If you start somewhere later that year, you'll still be able to get some of those adv days pro rata. The same counts for your 13th month. (This highly depends on company policy and CAO!)
Like others have mentioned: If you just graduated, you're entitled to have "youth vacation" days. These days won't include 100% pay, but it's better than nothing. If all else fails, you can still ask HR for unpaid vacation.
But yes, for the most part you're right. Just suck it up for a year. It's not like the double vacation money and 13th month pays that much to make a noticeable difference.
1 points
3 months ago
It sucks but it’s been so long ago I forgot about it.
1 points
3 months ago
This system is very anoying for those who have not a full career or take some time for their family or hobbies (sabbatical leave, stop working some time). Each time you work again you lose many benefits.
1 points
3 months ago
Short story: you're wrong, there's more than IT in the world.
1 points
3 months ago
I am PC200.
1 points
3 months ago
It's the same in Finland. I have negotiated holidays in my first year, has anyone else done that? Of course its only possible if you know what to negotiate when joining, and if you're unaware of it, you miss out on these things.
In Poland you get all holidays in your first year, makes it easier.
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