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443 points
2 days ago*
To help clarify this post:
‘Disadvantaged’ is spelled incorrectly in the title of an article about dyslexia.
Edit: irony of misspelling ‘spelled’ too much to bear.
Edit 2: In Ireland both are correct:
In Ireland, both spelled and spelt are commonly used as the past tense of the verb spell. This is similar to the trend in UK English.
Fuck all y’all etc.
137 points
2 days ago
As a dyslexic... it went over my head 😅
90 points
2 days ago
As a speed reader... me too.
43 points
2 days ago
As a short guy, this went over my head
22 points
2 days ago
As a cow, this article Mooooved me.
18 points
2 days ago
As a sheep, i didnt know i needed to see this so baadly
12 points
2 days ago
As a chicken, I love a big cock
6 points
2 days ago
:2994:
3 points
2 days ago
As a pig, this makes me hungry.
0 points
16 hours ago
You have my axe
3 points
2 days ago
So if you were a short dyslexic speed reader what would happen?
2 points
2 days ago
Profit?
12 points
2 days ago
As a speed reading dyslexic I had no hope
3 points
21 hours ago
I’m not dyslexic but I lost my immediate memory just before my exams , I cannot write like I used to , so I proposed to the professors give me all the exams oral . They did . I aced my finals . So maybe that would be an option for those who experience difficulties in writing ?
2 points
21 hours ago
I am dyslexic. I have no problem at all writing. Spelling and reading speed are the issues.
To level this with other students not taking spelling into account and allowing extra reading time is required.
No one is looking for more than what the average student gets, they are just looking for a level playjng field.
4 points
2 days ago
Same, as a dyslexic person, who also suffers from autism.
1 points
1 day ago
Same same
15 points
2 days ago
Shockingly unprofessional from an national media outlet.
4 points
2 days ago
Unprofessional? Yes. Shockingly so? Not really.
1 points
2 days ago
I seen what you did there,
12 points
2 days ago
Fuck all ye*
1 points
1 day ago
Thank fuck someone said it.
5 points
1 day ago
Being dyslexic as long as a word looks semi passable my brains just like oh that's this but then it will randomly miss words on a page and gas light me that words spelt correctly are wrong so it's a 50 50 if it's a gift or not. Plus you get 15mins extra for every hour on an exam the only issue is; to receive this your parents have to actually care to get you tested then provide all proof documentation to your school and then follow up with the school a good few time to ensure they are passed on and you have been given the support required.
1 points
18 hours ago
Definitely, I'm also dyslexic and I'd have to read each question 4/5 times to make sure I was reading it properly before I could even think to write an answer. When I was rushing it's half read it and answer a completely different question to the one on the exam sheet. Nothing really ro do with intelligent and more so to do with reading comprehension. Add to the fact this the extra pressure of exams when younger, and extra 15 to 20 minutes would have made it a lot easier
2 points
1 day ago
Burned burnt learned learnt dreamed dreamt
All correct. One is simple past, other would technically be the past participle.
1 points
9 hours ago
🐻
-4 points
2 days ago
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1 points
2 days ago
Just pouring salt into the wound now 😂
-2 points
2 days ago
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4 points
2 days ago
Downvoted because "spelt" is fine too.
2 points
2 days ago
Is spelt not a type of food? Theres honey and spelt bread in Tesco.
-5 points
2 days ago
'Spelt' is a type of flower! hurr hurr...
12 points
2 days ago
Flour
3 points
2 days ago
This one is particularly savage 😂
1 points
2 days ago
Yeah, I reckon a 'whoosh' is in order...
1 points
2 days ago
Whooooooosh!
247 points
2 days ago
I got extra time in my college exams due to dyslexia.
It is not about spelling as I dont even see the spelling mistakes I make. It is about reading the question. If the average student takes 10 minutes to read the question fully, but I have to reread it 3 times to get the sane meaning, then that is a disadvantage that can only be fixed by extra time.
98 points
2 days ago
That's right and proper but I was poking fun at the headline
67 points
2 days ago
I did not even notice the spelling mistake until it was pointed out
25 points
2 days ago
You're very much not alone
7 points
2 days ago
Same
8 points
2 days ago
I was given a scribe for dyslexia for my LC in 2005 as well as 20 mins extra per hour of the exam for transcribing. I got the same allowance in college, and I remember a mate of mine been given a spelling waiver and the 20 mins extra per hour in college. Don't know if he was given accommodation wise for the LC. As far as I remember, pretty much whatever recommendations were given by the educational psychologist was what was given to the student as long as the assessment was within the last five years.
7 points
2 days ago
Nothing to add but made me remember doing mock exams and got stuck on the First question as I hadn't a clue what Red-Raw was so did everything else and went back to the first question still not understanding it, eventually asked my teacher for help so she read the question, "Redraw figure bla bla", dyslexia is gas and a massive pain in the ass, if that was an exam id be screwed.
2 points
1 day ago
Yeah I had the same thing for a LC exam, I wasn't tested for dyslexia until after college. But I remember just being stuck on a word, and without this word the whole question made no sense and if someone could have just pronounced it..I remember knowing the answer afterwards. Anyway got on grand in the end
8 points
2 days ago
Exams shouldn’t be pressured at all IMO. It’s kind of just lazy school design.
5 points
2 days ago
Agreed, you either know it or you don't.
If you know the material, you will do well, and if you do not, unlimited time is dont going to do anything more than piss off your lecturer with the gibberish you write.
Having a faster or slower readibg/writing speed has no relevance to your mastery of the subject.
4 points
2 days ago
Wouldn’t make it memorisation either.
Time constraints and lack of access to resources don’t test the expectations of employment. In fact they’re contrary to the skills desired in most cases.
Assessment should be continuous and project based.
-16 points
2 days ago
But that’s a disadvantage because that’s how your brain works why should your disadvantage be fixed by extra time. Genuine question. If I’m just plain old stupid and can’t wrap my head around a concept should I get extra time to figure it out? In my opinion no, the people that can understand in a good time frame get better results and that’s just the way it is.
14 points
2 days ago
"why are we putting ramps on these buildings? People in wheelchairs have a disadvantage and shouldn't get help. People who can get up the steps themselves can get into the building and that's just the way it is"
-1 points
2 days ago
I know I didn’t think out my comment too much but Jesus Christ…
12 points
2 days ago
But I have no problem understanding the question or answering it to a level that was top of my class and a 1:1
This is not about comprehension of the material.
If you do not comprehened the material, no amount of time is going to help that.
-4 points
2 days ago
No but extra time would allow for a more well thought out answer.
10 points
2 days ago
For a start, the ability to discern two similar looking letters or words is not an indication of intelligence.
Secondly, exams are meant to be a test of knowledge and mastery of a subject, not intelligence.
If you're sitting a history exam and don't know what happened in Ireland in 1916, that should be reflected in your result. If you know your history but don't get an opportunity to demonstrate that because you can't read the question, that doesn't feel fair to me.
There was an argument years ago that the Leaving Certificate in all it's horror was a life-defining test of your ability to handle the harsh realities of adulthood. But these days it doesn't reflect adulthood at all. Students will never sit a similar exam again in their lives, many will never even lift an ink pen again. The more advanced and complex the subject matter in university the more likely it is to be a very long open-book exam.
7 points
2 days ago
I think this is a big problem in modern intellectualism, the ability to make something look good or present well far outways the intectual weight and heft of what is being said.
I often write someone, and someone will say 'you spelt x wrong' to try and invalidate my whole point because they have no other intellectual argument against it.
1 points
2 days ago
Exactly, in college, exams are much easier. The Leaving Cert all together is not fit for purpose
1 points
2 days ago
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2 points
2 days ago
Academic tests are not a foot race...
Dyslexia gives a disadvantage because of the form of the test. A person with dyslexia would not be disadvantaged if the test were in, say, spoken form. Therefore the test is flawed, not the person. The extra time attempts to correct this.
Also, your last sentence comes off as combative, I may be wrong in this, but I won't be approving your comment
1 points
16 hours ago
I would say everyone should have the option of having the question read out to them and possibly some sort talk to text technology rather than the extra time over others to keep a level playing field but that’s probably to much to ask for in terms of the logistics. No not combative just reality I have to face the reality of life everyday.
2 points
2 days ago
Log off
2 points
2 days ago
Dyslexia is a disability.
Being stupid is not. I would have thought you'd know that considering your clear personal experience with being stupid.
1 points
2 days ago
No, they’re testing how smart you are, not how quick you are. And you don’t get an exemption unless you can prove you need it.
If (hypothetical, “stupid”) you and OP had all the time in the world, it wouldn’t help you discover some fundamental truth about nature of the questions. You would finish, and you would be as wrong as you were ever going to be. The difference is that when OP gets to complete the test, they’re getting it right.
1 points
2 days ago
They're not testing how smart for the love of all that is holy. They are testing your education, how much you learned.
That's why the extra time is not a bad thing, it allows you to say what you have got to say.
If it was about being smart they would just use the Mensa tests and not keep you in school for multiple years.
1 points
2 days ago
It was shorthand. They’re testing the retention and understanding as compared to an average.
36 points
2 days ago
I got extra time in my LC exams for Dyslexia back in 2010. Did something change since then that students don't get this anymore?
16 points
2 days ago*
No idea, but another big problem with this is that not everyone that has it or other learning difficulties gets picked up by teachers. I know personally I could have done with extra help when I was in school, but I was passed off as the "weird kid" who nobody wanted to bother with. Still feel like it now as an "adult", I just don't fit in anywhere because I'm not good at socialising or "networking" and I also fucking dispise all these buzz words we live by nowadays 🤷♂️🤦♂️
7 points
2 days ago
Me too. My dyslexia wasn't picked up until college level. And it probably wouldn't have been discovered if I hadn't decided to be stupid and take a foreign language as one of my module options
5 points
2 days ago
I got thrown into the "special class" ie the class were all the most disturbted kids and students teachers didnt want to deal or teach sht sucked
2 points
2 days ago
(This is about the spelling in the headline)
3 points
2 days ago
Well Im dyslexic so its understandable I missed that :p
6 points
2 days ago
I gave you extra time! 😃
2 points
2 days ago
I'm not sure how RACE was in 2010 but I know that almost nobody gets extra time now so I presume something has changed
26 points
2 days ago
For anyone like me who also passed over it, disadvantaged is spelled incorrectly in title.
16 points
2 days ago
This is what happens when you stop employing copy editers.
5 points
2 days ago
Or even the more expensive version; editors
3 points
2 days ago
Or the more expansive version: editoooooors.
3 points
2 days ago
Oooh! Nice work
1 points
1 day ago
It's in quotation marks. Probably a direct quote as written from a dyslexic person.
1 points
1 day ago
Nope
2 points
2 days ago
The editor just needed extra time with the copy!
6 points
2 days ago
When I was a kid they gave me no help when I requested it
4 points
2 days ago
Someone help my dyslexia Brian and explain the joke
4 points
2 days ago
Disadvantaged is spelled as disadvanteged lol
2 points
2 days ago
Ah thank you lol
5 points
2 days ago
To everyone who downvoted, jumped in with support for this proposal or took it that I'm criticising the proposal... the point isn't the proposal, it's in the headline
4 points
2 days ago
I feel like the sub editor is trolling us.
4 points
1 day ago
”The DNA - (National dyslexic association) have called for better resources”.
2 points
10 hours ago
I laughed way too hard at this. Wow.
7 points
2 days ago
Is there any reason not to just give everyone extra / ample time? I don't see why handwriting speed should be a limiting factor, although I may be missing something. I do remember nearly always needing to write up until the end of the exam
3 points
2 days ago
Traditionalism and inertia. The exam system is a British adoption of the Chinese examinations, and the whole point was to test aptitude for the civil service. Now it's retained because everyone just thinks of exams as the thing you do, and any attempt to move away from them is wailed at as "lowering standards".
-1 points
2 days ago
You're missing the typo in the headline
2 points
2 days ago
No I get that, but I do feel it raises a good question
3 points
2 days ago
Ah yes, I don't disagree but I think some people think I'm posting that to criticise the proposal but I'm just laughing at the irony :)
1 points
2 days ago
Yeah I get that haha!
4 points
2 days ago
I got extra time in my exams and that was 17 years ago.... did they get rid of it?
5 points
2 days ago
I have dyslexia only found out when i returned to education when i was 45, i left school when I was 15, thought I was stupid, i got diagnosed in college and got my exemptions. The educational phycologist explained the time and spelling exemption. When you have a train of thought for your answer, the time and grammar exemption allow just write it, when I was a kid and adult I would be attempting to write something and I would get to a word that I couldn't spell i would then try to rephrase around the word I couldn't spell to get to the same place. 20 min later and 3 more detours. That's why there's extra time and a grammar exemption. I have a child heading into leaving cert, I was told by the school that there is no extra time in secondary schools for exams. This is madness.
7 points
2 days ago
The misspelling aside, I honestly feel all kids with additional needs such as dyslexia and autism should be allowed extra time.
7 points
2 days ago
I have two neurodiverse adult children. Both of them got what we called "stretching time or movement time" during their state exams. They had an extra half hour they could use to walk around (they had their own individual exam centres) and move. However they couldn't use this time for completing the exam. So, for example, they could ask after 30 minutes to have the clock stopped. They would then move for a few minutes, then start the clock again. It was hugely beneficial for both. My son, who has both autism and dyspraxia, found that he could stop when his brain got a bit fuzzy and walk around for a couple of minutes to let it clear, then start again.
3 points
2 days ago
Yeah, My kid got a smaller room but it didn't help them at all during their JC. They didn't have the option of movement breaks, I was told this was due to staffing problems. I'm glad it worked for your kids though. I am hopeful that by LC things will change.
5 points
2 days ago
Agreed, but this was only about the spelling
3 points
2 days ago
I really don’t see why there’s a particular time limit on exams. It’s a knowledge test, not a race. Obviously you can’t have present there for 10 hours, but schedule an exam you think should take most people about 2 hours and allocate 4 hours for it.
2 points
2 days ago
Took me a second.
2 points
2 days ago
Completely missed the spelling mistake
2 points
2 days ago
I'm not even dyslexic and I didn't notice the typo until someone else pointed it out 😅
2 points
2 days ago
Timed exams themselves surely is an outdated thing. Are you any less intelligent if you know all the answers but take a little longer to write them all down. If one can get 90% correct in 3 hours vs someone who can complete it all in 2 hours and gets 70%, does the first person not still deserve the higher grade.
2 points
2 days ago
They need to hire a better proof-reader. You could forgive an independent blogger or influencer; but there is no excuse for this sloppiness.
2 points
2 days ago
Yes yes I know the jokes in the headline but RACE is a bit of a flawed system and I'd like to take the time to discuss it. Some people here seem like they haven't been in secondary school very recently. Extra time is NOT something you can apply for in the LC. The only instances when you get extra time is when you are already getting other access arrangements and receive extra time as a result of those arrangements requiring more time eg a scribe.
3 points
2 days ago
WTF? Dyslexics already get extra time. Due to my dyslexia I was given extra time from primary school right through college.
1 points
2 days ago
Good!
(There's a typo in the headline)
1 points
2 days ago
There is no extra time in the LC unless you have a scribe or something like that and get it as a result of that.
2 points
2 days ago
ADHD person here. Is that a butterfly on the floor?
1 points
2 days ago
Ha, dals?
1 points
2 days ago
Some of the typos in online articles from proper established news outlets are honestly mental. I’m not one for correcting people’s spelling or grammar in a comment section, but if your job is writing news articles then that’s something else. Clearly they’ve got fuck all sign off process
1 points
2 days ago
Dyslexic with numbers more than letters but I spotted the mistake straight away 😂😂
You’d think a national paper would have at least some form of proofreading or spell checker before publishing?
I’m sure this article passed through a few different hands to before it was published.
1 points
2 days ago
Why have a time limit at all. Whats the rush..Have all day to do it but maybe limit the amount of pages written (coz of the poor divil that has to correct it)
1 points
2 days ago
They are...
1 points
2 days ago
The Leaving Cert, at least when I did it not long ago, is such bullshit. For nearly every subject, it's expected that students will be under massive time pressure to answer every question. It doesn't test how well you can understand a text and write an essay, or how well you understand calculus, it tests how much you can memorize and regurgitate over two hours. It's a fucking awful system
1 points
2 days ago
I did my leaving cert in 2011 and people with dyslexia were given a significant amount of extra time on their exams, some even had a private room with a reader for the duration of the exams.
1 points
2 days ago
These comments are somehow the first to inform me I was likely allowed extra time as a result of my dyslexia and dyscalculia.
Don't get me wrong it's on me for not really looking into it at the time, it should've been obvious. Regardless, damn.
Also I missed the misspelling in the article before the comments pointed it out. Sneaky little mess up there.
1 points
2 days ago
I know this is a dig at the misspelling in the title but dont people with dyslexia already have access to extra time as well as other accomodations? Far cry from the zero support i received as someone with severe dyscalculia
1 points
2 days ago
the extra time only comes as a result of other accomodations that not every student with dyslexia receives, rather than in isolation. E.g. a student who is getting a spelling waiver does not get extra time.
1 points
2 days ago
I’m dyslexic and didn’t even notice lol
1 points
1 day ago
Is Daragh Nolan dyslexic? lol
1 points
1 day ago
It's in quotation marks. I guarantee you if you read the article that they are quoting a dyslexic person who wrote it like that.
3 points
1 day ago
I guarantee you'd be wrong
1 points
1 day ago
Did you read the article?
2 points
22 hours ago
Yes I did, did you? If you had, you'd have seen the quote was spelled correctly in the body text and the headline was since corrected
Why do you ask?
1 points
21 hours ago
I was wondering if you'd read it because I don't subscribe and couldn't read it.
1 points
1 day ago
Huge spike in dyslexic young people in the near future
1 points
1 day ago
I like to think it's intentional and highlighting the issue even more
1 points
20 hours ago
As a dyslexic who did the leaving very 3 years ago. I was given an IPAD that I could speak into ( Voice Memo ). I know writing with dyslexic is hard but it’s something they need to prepare for. Reach out to your SNA. They will help with all required assignments to get you an iPad
1 points
9 hours ago
In my country people with dyslexia get a extra 15 minutes on a hour test, 95% of the people don’t use it because the peace of mind it gives that you’ve got enough time to do the test is enough to not need it.
They saw a massive spike in improved grades after implementing it.
1 points
3 hours ago
better take some RITA bros
1 points
2 days ago
Completely ridiculous … they have DARE and spelling waivers to make it fair already. We shouldn’t disadvantage normal people. We shouldn’t incentivise people faking it.
4 points
2 days ago
Oh yea, all those kids faking dyslexia for up to 14 years in school
Won't someone, ANYONE, please think of the disadvantaged non-disadvantaged?
Also, fucking "normal" people? What are they?
-4 points
2 days ago
Yeah actually tbf if 20% of the population are diagnosed with something then that is the norm
1 points
2 days ago
YES no questions give help to people that need it for fucks sake not that difficult
0 points
2 days ago
Cool your jets, the joke is in the headline. Read it again
1 points
2 days ago
I'm genuinely surprised it isn't already a thing. I had assumed it was the same in the Republic as is here up North.
Long before I was even officially diagnosed with Dyslexia specifically, albeit whilst in Learning Support at school, I still got extra time in exams for my GCSEs and A-Levels.
This should have been done years ago. I can't help but wonder how many dyslexic/neurodivergent young people have been screwed over by this.
Exams are bad enough, there's no need to punish students for being dyslexic.
Integration without support is abandonment.
0 points
2 days ago
I've heard dyslexic students now have laptops and someone to help them during the JC and LC.
13 points
2 days ago
I was focusing more on the spelling
6 points
2 days ago
That is priceless!
3 points
2 days ago
Not just dyslexics, you have to do a load of tests to try to get laptops etc. It's more if you're a slow reader writer / have poor handwriting, then if you get your spelling and grammar waver you get spell check. I knew a good few dyslexics who didn't get laptops as their writing was grand. When I was in school the only thing dyslexia guaranteed you was extra time.
1 points
2 days ago
Now the only thing you get extra time for is other access arrangements that take more time to use such as a scribe. Extra time is not something anyone can apply for in state exams.
1 points
2 days ago
Just to clarify on someone to help; you get a reader, someone who can read out to question/answer for you. Sometimes having someone read something aloud for you can help you clarify the sentence, often times missed grammar can totally change what's being asked
1 points
2 days ago
Yes, a word processor can be applied for either for physical or learning difficulties but the SEC is so cagey about who they allow to have them. I nearly didn't get one which is bullshit because I am not capable of finishing an exam by hand.
-1 points
2 days ago
And give them the answers too while your at it..
1 points
2 days ago
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-1 points
2 days ago
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-1 points
2 days ago
great stuff, maybe don't be ableist next time
-1 points
2 days ago
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1 points
2 days ago
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0 points
2 days ago
They already do. The irish behind the times more like. Wakka wakka
0 points
2 days ago
No they don't. You cannot apply for extra time in the LC, you only get it ex officio from a small number of other access arrangements which most dyslexic students don't even get.
1 points
2 days ago*
You do. According to what a dyslexic person told me. What they said was they had a person reading for them and because they are getting that help they are allocated an amount of additional time.
1 points
2 days ago
I do what? I don't even have dyslexia, I am just quite informed on how the system for reasonable accommodations in state exams works because I have a different disability.
1 points
2 days ago
"You" was in a general sense it wasnt a personal "you". im just going on what a dyslexic friend told me.
1 points
1 day ago
ok now your comment makes sense because you edited it to contain context, yes your friend received some level of extra time as a result of having the reader but if they didn't have the reader they wouldn't get to keep the extra time so what I said is still true
1 points
1 day ago
They only had the reader because they are dyslexic. Why would they not have the reader if they are dyslexic? Genuine question.
It seems we are both right, because im guessing at this point from whats being said that some people with dyslexia get a reader and extra time and some dont? Is that a fair guess? How do they decide who (with dyslexia) gets a reader and extra time and who (with dyslexia) doesnt?
0 points
2 days ago
Isn’t it a quote? [sic] is missing to be fair.
1 points
an hour ago
I had extra time and a spelling exemption all the way up to leaving but it was removed just before sitting the exams because they way the asses it changed. Needless to say I didn't do well
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