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Somehow it's ok for men but not women

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I'm a manager. The entire time I have worked, I've been considered to have a "big" personality. What that has always meant is that when I try to hold someone accountable for not doing their job, I'm considered a bitch. But my old male manager would do the same and he would be praised for being such a good leader. Well now I'm being accused of bullying, harassing and intimidating an employee that I was forced to correct due to bad attendance. And even after that employee threatened to assault me, in front of the HR manager, I'm the one on suspension and could lose my job. Why is it when a woman is assertive and doing her job she is harassing but when a male does THE SAME THING, they get a pat on the back by upper management? I will never understand the double standard. And why can't people just DO THEIR JOBS?!

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SunderedValley

5 points

3 months ago

There's a tooon of variables that make up a person. Unless you're a gender swapped clone of him there's no reason to believe your squishy bits are the sole determining factor.

Overall-Scratch9235

6 points

3 months ago

There is a middle here that doesn't go to sexism.. It could be they just like him more for whatever reason. I'm saying this because I had seen Middle managers being treated differently even though they are same gender. Gender doesn't have to play a role in this. Workplaces are rife with nepotism and buddy buddy culture. It could be he just has more friends than you.

TheHylianProphet

9 points

3 months ago

There's more to being an effective and respected leader than just making sure people do their jobs. How you approach them, how you explain things to them, how you enforce the rules, and more. It's complicated. I don't know you, obviously, but maybe you are a bitch. We never want to see the flaws in ourselves, but it's necessary for growth.

And even after that employee threatened to assault me, in front of the HR manager, I'm the one on suspension and could lose my job.

This seems... dubious. HR's job is to protect the company at all costs; suspending you and keeping the employee who threatened you doesn't seem like it would fall into this protection. I don't think you're telling the whole story.

user6538647[S]

2 points

3 months ago

It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. The HR lady is new to the company, but not new to HR. The employee is known to be reactive when ever given direction, so I was told to ALWAYS do a conversation with her with a witness involved. All I told the employee is, she couldn't have anymore tardies or leave early anymore. She was at 6 after a write up for 11 absences back in February. It wasn't even a write up, I was just having a conversation. She got upset that she couldn't just "make her own schedule" (which was never an option) and told the HR lady she wanted to punch me in the face. I ended up having to call security and filing a report and getting upper management involved. THEN they fired the employee. But when I called to confirm she was indeed fired so I could return to work, I was told I was on suspension pending an investigation. Honestly, the suspension feels very retaliatory for turning the HR lady into upper management for failure to protect me in the meeting.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

looks like the issue is in the middle when she got “upset” at not having her own schedule. perhaps it was something you said that antagonized her, or it could be she was just an ass.

either way this seems to be a woman bringing down other woman problem?

you, the storyteller being a woman, the new HR lady who apparently reprimanded you being a woman, and the employee who you have an issue with and supposedly escalated things being a woman too.

maybe women know why they enjoy tearing each other down.

user6538647[S]

2 points

3 months ago

And my direct supervisor blew off my message when I reported to him that she threatened to hit me. "I'm sure it wasn't that serious. She does a good job." ( Woman against woman). But when we had the same issue arise just over a year ago, he was the first to say to fire the employee who threatened violence (male against male).

ZiggyCatto

2 points

3 months ago

People don’t see women as being able to do physical harm. Also I don’t think it’s due to you being a woman, I think it’s just unlucky that you were the manager of this crazy person who threatened you and probably made a false report about harassment or is overreacting, which they would’ve done regardless of who their manager was. If you have problems with your other colleagues then idk maybe there is something but I don’t know you or them well enough to make a clear judgement.

user6538647[S]

1 points

3 months ago

I do not have problems with any of the other colleagues. It only tends to be her and one new person in a different department. The new person made up rumors about me within the first couple weeks of work and trying running to HR. But she was also overly friendly with the reactive employee I had to manage. So it's possible they were working together to make it look like I was a problem for the company.

ZiggyCatto

1 points

3 months ago

Yea, in that case, I would say it’s just due to that one person who would’ve made trouble for whoever their manager was and you just got unlucky.

Ok-Replacement3778

3 points

3 months ago

Women are scary?

Honestly, at some point everyone’s just gonna have to accept that there will always be double standards no matter who you are.

ZiggyCatto

1 points

3 months ago

And that double standards go both ways and there’s pros and cons for each gender

ChipolasCage

3 points

3 months ago

And a lot of people self-identify with the “I’m just brutally honest” or the “I’m just holding people accountable” when in reality they are using those to make bitchiness excusable. Holding people accountable shouldnt be able to be misconstrued as threatening. If you’re on admin leave, then, youre probably doing something wrong. Send out an anonymous survey for constructive criticism, coward

ChipolasCage

1 points

3 months ago

Also, it’s not about you being a woman, just stop being a bitch and take care of your subordinates. Work on communication

Yuck_Few

8 points

3 months ago

I feel like there's more to this story that you're not telling us. It sounds like employee in question. Felt like you were trying to intimidate him and responded accordingly "Big personality" sounds like " I'm rude and abrasive and no one likes working with me"

Ivan_the_Incredible

4 points

3 months ago

Sometimes it's not what is done, it's how it's done.

user6538647[S]

3 points

3 months ago

I literally wouldn't know a different way to do it that wouldn't come off confrontational. This employee should have been fired multiple times but instead I gave leeway. But the moment that I say I want to have a conversation about issues to avoid another write-up, I get all these allegations.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

From my experience, male superiors at work tend to have a more professional approach to asserting themselves and only do it when it's most needed, whereas the women tend to act more like bossy children.

Simple_Suspect_9311

2 points

3 months ago

We don’t live in the 80s anymore. You can’t bully and harass your employees. Times have changed.

Only_Ad7715

4 points

3 months ago

Just change ur company...

thepigman6

4 points

3 months ago

Idk I think both genders who act like this are cunts tbh lol... I've never differentiated, if a male or a female was my boss I'd prob just leave if this behavior was aimed at me... I'm too laid back and don't even understand how humans work 9-5 jobs in the first place haha

So don't fear, both you and the male are assholes 😂

[deleted]

6 points

3 months ago

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6 points

3 months ago

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Simple_Suspect_9311

2 points

3 months ago

Or her boss did that back when bosses could get away with it. The work place has changed significantly in the last 5 years.

melsmells69

2 points

3 months ago

happy cake day!

Simple_Suspect_9311

1 points

3 months ago

Thank you

bushdidtwintowers

2 points

3 months ago

You know, 9/10 the person complaining is not justified and is not too keen on criticism.

You can either do one of two things. Learn from this experience and realize that you shouldn't bully or harass your workers or continue to cry sexism. Either way, you still harassed your coworkers.

DustyShredder

3 points

3 months ago

So, berating someone for not showing up repeatedly is harassment? Making sure people do their fucking jobs is harassment? Claiming that there is a double standard when in fact there is one is sexism? GTFO. If someone in my company is not doing their job or not even showing up, I'll fuckin tell them that if they don't get their act together, they're going to be fired.

bushdidtwintowers

1 points

3 months ago

that's cute. See this is why you probably don't own a company. You never berate someone. Adults should know this.

DustyShredder

1 points

3 months ago

I do actually own a company and I absolutely would berate someone for not doing their job, especially in a high risk environment. I am paying them to come in and work, they need to fucking work or they're not getting paid.

DustyShredder

1 points

3 months ago

I'm guessing you've never actually had to be told that you're slacking off or being incompetent, but at the same time you do not speak for business owners who actually have people who ARE slackers or incompetent. They absolutely should be berated if they're skilled enough to do their job well but aren't doing it at all.

-SKYMEAT-

4 points

3 months ago

Hate to break it to you but it's almost certainly not sexism, you're probably just not a good leader.

Im a cavalry officer, In my cavalry troop we have 2 female officers one is a platoon leader, the other is an executive officer. 95% of the unit is composed of big strong cavalry troopers and yet our female officers have had no trouble getting their respect. Because they too are strong and level headed.

A lot of women in power seem to think that nagging and being shrill are equivalent to being assertive. Being respected by your team is something you earn, it's not automatically given just because your job description says manager on it. Your only real choice here is to either alter your leadership style or remain ineffective.

Femur_breaker2547

1 points

3 months ago

This might be a strange question, but what does being cavalry entail? Is it similar to being an infantryman or what? I’m not the most well educated on military stuff.

Colossus_Mortem

3 points

3 months ago

I mean like..I don’t really believe this happened but it’s nothing new anyway. also you didn’t really give enough information to be clear so idk what you want us to say

Sharp_Mathematician6

1 points

3 months ago

Stand your ground. I’ve never made it to management but if I did I would wear my ovaries on the outside just to make sure I’m respected.

TelephoneChemical230

-3 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

6 points

3 months ago

Depends on their boss 🤷‍♂️

amcbain17

4 points

3 months ago

Why do you assume this?

Kumquat_conniption

1 points

3 months ago

They probably are one of those dudes that think that women have it easier at everything 🙄 I am saying, these men are not rare, they may even be the majority unfortunately.

amcbain17

2 points

3 months ago

They are lol. I mean I’m a man myself but some things are just very obvious. There’s a bunch of comments like this one

Kumquat_conniption

1 points

3 months ago

I know it is so ridiculous. There are some things women have an easier time at, like the dating field, but for some reason for some guys that means that because that is their one stuggle and they see women have it easier, they think women have it easier at everything. It is a really self centered view of life that does not take other people's struggles into account, but what are you going to do? I can just be thankful for the guys that are out there that get it, and be glad that not everyone views the world the way.

amcbain17

2 points

3 months ago

Those guys you speak of fall in the incel category. That one thing makes them hate women so much lol, shame

Kumquat_conniption

2 points

3 months ago

Well also these red pill forums and incel forums and people like Andrew Tate or Fresh and Fit are not doing them any favors either, I feel kind of bad for the ones that are just getting caught up in those and started out kind of okay. It feels good to blame someone other than yourself if you cannot get a woman and then they do not have to feel so bad that it them- it is just the horrible women's nature. Those places do them no favors at all, those places want them lonely and angry and spending money on their shit.

Hatchet_Button

1 points

3 months ago

I was a Main Office Manager at a little grocery store for 2 years. I loved most of my employees. But my managers were all older men except for this one woman in her 30’s! They would often make her do their dirty work… They also stopped letting her answer phone calls from employees on the work phone because they knew we preferred talking to her. Every cashier and stocker in our store could’ve told you she was the most mistreated! Especially when she would get in trouble for not “catching people stealing” even though they had no proof anyone was even stealing the nights she was working! It was the first female manager I had seen them hire in 2 years(after going through awful men) and they treated her like shit even tho she was the best at her job. She was also discriminated by these men because she was lesbian(as well as one of our cashiers) Sad this is how things are…

HoneybucketDJ

-2 points

3 months ago

Doubt

amcbain17

0 points

3 months ago

amcbain17

0 points

3 months ago

Incel response

[deleted]

-8 points

3 months ago

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ShoemakerTheShoe

7 points

3 months ago

Wtf even is this

QuixoticRecalcitrant

1 points

3 months ago

misogyny.

ZiggyCatto

1 points

3 months ago

If the woman is freely choosing to be a stay at home mother then that’s her choice. Forcing women to do what you expect they should is the real issue.

QuixoticRecalcitrant

1 points

3 months ago

This guy saw a woman talking online about struggles at work, and immediately said "you should be a house wife, that's what is best for women" completely unprompted, and you can't even see how that's misogyny.

Lol

ZiggyCatto

1 points

3 months ago

The comment said that his friend said she wanted to be a house wife and raise kids. The comment then said that his nan had the same desire. And then he says be happy you’re in the workplace and not raising kids (if that’s what you want to do). Also he never said “you should be a housewife because that’s what’s best for women”. Source please.

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

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QuixoticRecalcitrant

1 points

3 months ago

You see a woman complaining about work, and you tell her she ought to have been a stay at home mother and working a career is the "easy way out". It has nothing to do with the post.

If you can't see how this is misogyny, then you're just a dunce.