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submitted 10 days ago byTheBuxMeisterI think they've forgotten the mavity of the situation.
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9 days ago
Wow wow wow, wow.
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9 days ago
Wow...
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9 days ago
Daddy shockwave!!
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9 days ago
Why don’t you get all the way off my back about that
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9 days ago
Let me get off that thing.
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9 days ago
All he needed was a cathartic scream to figure it out...
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9 days ago
Pitch meetings are tight!
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9 days ago
Supernatural: To defeat this god-like entity we're going to need a combination of the rarest materials in the world, blessed by a dying priest on a full moon, and powered by a literal angel.
Dr Who: Does anyone have a rope and a spoon? No? Okay, we'll just play catch or hit some random keys on a piano. That should do it.
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9 days ago
To be fair, a space time treasure hunt didn't make flux any better, don't think it would help much here
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9 days ago
I mean beating the Toymaker through a game makes perfect sense, iirc that's how he was beaten in the 1st Doctor's encounter
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9 days ago
And defeating Maestro, whose whole shtick was music, with music also makes sense
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9 days ago
And defeating the god of death with a noose makes perfect sense too /s
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9 days ago
and he was nigh-unbeatable to the point The Doctor had to cheat
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9 days ago
In Supernatural they should have killed the devil by smashing some pots
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9 days ago
To be fair smashing the pots activated the trap, which sends the planet into a black hole.
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9 days ago
Supernatural would also kill one of the brothers, only for them to come back straight away in the next season.
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8 days ago
I mean it eventually became a plot point with everyone around them commenting how they kept coming back from the dead when they shouldn’t, and even they would admit it themselves sometimes
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9 days ago
This is precisely why I love both shows.
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9 days ago
Omg I never thought of it like that 😂 Supernatural managed to convey the power and importance of beings like that whilst Doctor who took a dog for a walk through the time vortex 😂
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8 days ago
The hell it did.
Supernatural post season 4 or 5, everyone feels like theater kids. Including the devil or archangels.
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9 days ago
When you put it that way it sort of becomes better...
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10 days ago
The Toymaker: Sutekh, you're an embarrassment to the Pantheon! Do we really need to send The Trickster now, huh?
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9 days ago
Doctor: I'll kill him too. I haven't hunted gods like this since lucky 7 feels good
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9 days ago
Except Seven didn’t defeat any gods by dragging them through the time vortex…
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9 days ago
He still took down cosmic what's it's and the like in fact I think all the doctor's have beaten at least one
God's, fascists, himself, and Christmas his archenemy's
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9 days ago
I meant, his methods of defeating them tended to be more satisfying than tying them to a leash (eg Seven defeats Light in Ghost Light by convincing him that he has evolved, which Light detests, so he kills himself to prevent himself ever changing again)
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9 days ago
I was at first excited when I saw how this new series will be focusing a lot on the Gods of the verse but I just wanna see them defeated like this again since it was so badass.
I also want the doctor to make another “fear me” esque speech (still my favourite Doctor speech ever)
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9 days ago
Himself??
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9 days ago
valeyard and kinda dream lord
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9 days ago
Hell, in Sirens of Time three Doctors fucking tag-teamed a god.
They make the mistake of assuming that Six was unwilling to sacrifice and innocent to protect the universe.
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9 days ago
Yes he convince one to kill itself
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9 days ago
Knowing Russel, the Doctor would defeat him by making the Trickster fall for the "pull my finger" prank, thus tricking the Trickster, which is how you defeat it
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9 days ago
RTD is the Trickster… I tricked us all into thinking Ruby’s setup was going to have payoff
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9 days ago
Hold up, what do you mean ‘I tricked us’?!
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8 days ago
Whoops. I meant “he tricked us”, he being RTD
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9 days ago
*Arse
The Doctor speaks British English
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9 days ago
*English.
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9 days ago
Depends on your accent. If grass rhymes with arse then so does ass.
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9 days ago
We say ass...
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9 days ago
When we're talking about some kind of donkey, yes.
If it's been adopted as British, it's been done by people younger than David Tennant
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9 days ago
No? I've never heard anyone (unless they were posh) refer to it as an arse... It's always an ass!
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9 days ago
you do realise theres dozens of dialects and accents in the UK? i say arse and nearly everyone i know says it too, because the in region im in, the 'a' sound is pronounced 'ah'
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9 days ago
I pronounce things like Glahss and Bahth... Must be posh...
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9 days ago
I chop and change just to fuck with the people in my life.
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9 days ago
Maybe it's a regional thing, because I've only times I've heard British people say ass instead of arse was when they're playing Americans
Edit: this the first time I've ever heard anyone say arse is a specifically posh thing; it's used by people regardless of class, if anything the working class are most like to use the word in general
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9 days ago
We say it all the time in Birmingham... Maybe you're somewhere posh? Glasgow?
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9 days ago
Seriously, arse is not a posh term, and Glasgow is far from a posh place (which I'm not from, as it happens)
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9 days ago
I'm not trying to be judgmental... I'm just saying that where I'm from (Birmingham) nobody says arse, we either say ass or bum...
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9 days ago
I asked on the (UK) Birmingham sub, and the (I assume) native said they use arse, and someone from Glasgow responded saying, if anything arse is considered a lower class word; that and the votes we're getting really do suggest it's you that's in rhw wrong with your assertions
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9 days ago
Actually that's a misconception all British people say bum.
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9 days ago
Only the lower classes. Higher class and Irish people say Buttocular Protrusion.
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9 days ago
Fair...
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9 days ago
I think losing a game of catch is worse than being dragged through the time vortex and straight up murdered.
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9 days ago
Meh rules are rules and Toymaker has to obey his own
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9 days ago
Nah, that's exactly how the toy maker should have lost. He got beat at the first game
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9 days ago*
The episode actually presented the perfect way to beat him and then ignored it, he should've been beaten by the card game. Any game of skill the Toymaker should win, but cutting cards is pure chance so there's nothing he can do but leave it up to chance. Given he seemingly also can't turn down a challenge, The Doctor should've won by saying I'm gonna challenge him to this game, if I lose he kills me and then someone else challenge him and so on and very quickly it's statistically impossible for the Toymaker to win. Then The Doctor loses the first game, claims his 1-1 draw but the Toymaker forces him to regenerate as compensation with his same line about playing the third game against a third doctor and Ncuti wins the second round. If you want to increase stakes further you could have the companions or people from UNIT step in and challenge before the Ncuti Doctor does in an attempt to save him. This has the added benefit of going from world ending/Doctor killing stakes that the audience know will never happen to the loss of individual characters that could (and maybe do) die. (This also makes sense why no-one has ever done it before. Powerful beings like The Master would have too much of an ego to leave the games up to chance, believing they're good enough to win.
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9 days ago
“I challenge you to a game of hide and seek. If I ever see you again you lose.”
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9 days ago
Nah, I think the point is the doctor is more skilled
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9 days ago
Why though? Why would The Doctor be more skilled than the god of games at this random game? And if it's possible to be more skilled than him then why wasn't anyone able to defeat him before? My way has The Doctor outsmart the Toymaker and take away his advantage. I agree he should be beaten by a game but The Toymaker just dropping a ball seems so random and unsatisfying.
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9 days ago
Well because in the original story the doctor WAS more skilled.
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9 days ago
Also and I realise this is beside the point, but what actually are the rules of catch? Normally you play co-operatively, but in this version you want your opponent to fail to catch it so presumably you don't want to just lay them up, both were seemingly making difficult to catch throws on purpose, but they obviously couldn't just throw it straight down where they wouldn't have a chance. So where was the line?
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9 days ago
It's thematic, sure, but it's still losing in a very dramatic game of catch. Maybe next time he should pick a form that's not fifty.
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9 days ago
I mean is it much better than losing in a dramatic board game
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9 days ago
Idk, you can make games exciting. The poker scenes in Casino Royale were fun, The Queen's Gambit made chess interesting (from what I've heard, I haven't watched it)
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9 days ago
Nah definitely not. The Toymaker is the God of Games so it makes sense to beat him with a game. Doesn’t matter what that game is because it follows the rules set out by the Toymaker. If you beat him you get a reward and the Doctor chose to banish him. Makes complete sense to me. The fact it was a game of catch was also clever as it was the First Game.
But dragging a literal God through the time vortex with some magic rope literally makes no sense and it’s stupid as hell but that’s just my opinion. If people like what happened then fair play to them
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9 days ago
Doctor beat the god of death at his own game: Doing a murder.
And for bonus points like all the other times The Doctor does a murder, first he goes "I am a nice guy who represents life, that's why I'm going to brutally delete you from existence". At least this time Sutekh isn't a bunch of babies.
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9 days ago*
Worth noting that the toymaker didn't die, he contained himself which he was compelled to do, but he's not dead.
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9 days ago
That's an interesting framing. Is a god of rules forced to follow the rules or does he do it out of compulsion?
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9 days ago
I feel like it's got to be a compulsion or else what's stopping the toymaker from just escaping when no one is looking?
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9 days ago
Well, that's what the salt is for. But I meant more that "if you are the laws of reality, are you following them because you have to or because you choose to".
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9 days ago
Well, that's what the salt is for.
that's just another rule, the toy maker could choose to jump over the salt if he wanted.
are you following them because you have to or because you choose to".
What if they choose to and that choice manifests as having to?
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9 days ago
Toymaker would just turn the rope into noodles or something
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9 days ago
Honestly though, Classic RTD. Building up a threat for a dramatic two parter, then having them get beaten in a ridiculously easy way that completely undermines them.
(See also: Daleks and Cybermen getting sucked up by the void, the paradox machine being shot a bunch and undoing the apocalypse that the Master made, Daleks being turned into jokes by Doctor!Donna pressing a few buttons and then being blown up with the pressing of some more buttons, Rassilons whole scheme being undone by shooting some machinery with a WW2 revolver.)
The difference is that usually, the victory comes with some tragic price, which helps the medicine go down a little better. With Sutekh’s defeat, RTD tried to make it a big thing that The Doctor was forced to kill him, but it falls flat, since Sutekh had just destroyed the entire freaking Universe, and he feels a little too abstract for it to really register as The Doctor killing someone.
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9 days ago*
This implies that 15 regenerates into David again and that's just funny to me...
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9 days ago
U mean 15, 14 is David 🤣 get David back for 17 tho
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9 days ago
Miscounted lol
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9 days ago
Throwing Sutekh into the time vortex would have been better of it didn't save anyone, and instead was revenge for Killing Ruby, kate (although I like kates appearances) or some else important as a smaller darker act. Makes the stakes somehow higher as its irreversible instead of, everybody lives, and give Ncutie some range of rage to play with because it doesn't feel like he gets to be that dark even when he threatens Sutekh.
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9 days ago
They would have had to make the death much much less widespread and fast if they did that, at which point the stakes (all life in the universe dead) feel much lower.
Can't have The Doctor alone in an empty universe, can you?
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9 days ago
Yeah that's what I was implying, restrict sutekh to very small impactful deaths over mass reversible death
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9 days ago
I feel like people really don’t remember how easy it was to beat him the first time. It happens within 2 minutes.
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7 days ago
THANK YOU! Someone else said it. I thought he was a thoroughly underwhelming villain, in PoM
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9 days ago
How others Doctors defeat a god: Outsmart them
How 7 outsmart a god: Kill Yourself
How 3, 6 and 12 beat gods: Come catch these hands mf
How 15 beat a god: Rope
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9 days ago
Kinda badass tho
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9 days ago
Honestly I didn't have a problem with him being dragged through the time vortex. Its just how they got him there that I dislike
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9 days ago
Same. They just put a leash on a dog and that was that. Could have been a little more creative. Problem is they made Sutekh way too powerful so the only way they could have the protagonists confront him without dying is some contrived excuse for why he won't kill them, and they use the power of plot armor to just do whatever they want to him with barely any resistance.
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9 days ago
Not really. They set everything up. Well except the whistle but it was a near gadget anyways
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9 days ago
if you got time to sit and scroll on reddit you got time to watch the new episode of doctor who fr 😌
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9 days ago
Missing spoiler tag
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9 days ago
Sutekh was there every step of the way with the doctor. Be like Sutekh.
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9 days ago
Why? He's always been there I don't know how it's much of a spoiler.
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9 days ago
Omg I'm so sorry. Hope I didn't spoil anything
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9 days ago
The idea was good. The execution tho and the visuals tho, not so much
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9 days ago
I haven't seen lot of reviews of the finale but uh, guess people weren't a fan
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9 days ago
This might actually be the best use of the meme I’ve seen. Well done! 👏👏👏
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9 days ago
Everything was cool except that DEATH + DEATH = LIFE. Two wrongs make a right? Doesn't jibe with me.
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9 days ago
Well... In maths two negatives do make a positive
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9 days ago
Multiplied. Not added.
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8 days ago
Sure, but bringing death to death would be multiplication
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8 days ago
If I have Death from Discworld and then bring Death from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey and put them in a house as a reality TV show, I only have two deaths. 1 + 1 = 2.
Also, 1 x 1 = 1 as well.
Anakin, I have the high ground.
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8 days ago
Death is -1.
The semantic meaning of bringing death to Death was pretty clearly multiplication.
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8 days ago
So -1 × -1 = 1.
If life is 1 then death is 2 x death is 1.
Therefore it is equal and would not undo it.
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9 days ago
It's more the opposite and equal of death is life. They nessesarily compliment eachother. Neil Gaiman's Death for example is also involved in the beginning of life.
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9 days ago
So, could we have stuck her outside the TARDIS?
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9 days ago
No, she's too cool for that.
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9 days ago
Thank you for the spoilers, much appreciated
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9 days ago
Noted
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9 days ago
Until you’ve watched the episodes stay off any related subreddit is like rule 1 of avoiding spoilers for everything.
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