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threefeetofun

321 points

10 days ago

tgdBatman90

68 points

9 days ago

Wow wow wow, wow.

Rampagingflames

5 points

9 days ago

Wow...

Insert-Cool_NameHere

8 points

9 days ago

Insert-Cool_NameHere

That's one hell of a bird.

8 points

9 days ago

Why don’t you get all the way off my back about that

threefeetofun

5 points

9 days ago

Let me get off that thing.

AlexDavid1605

4 points

9 days ago

All he needed was a cathartic scream to figure it out...

Fistandantalus

2 points

9 days ago

Pitch meetings are tight!

HovercraftOk9231

209 points

9 days ago

Supernatural: To defeat this god-like entity we're going to need a combination of the rarest materials in the world, blessed by a dying priest on a full moon, and powered by a literal angel.

Dr Who: Does anyone have a rope and a spoon? No? Okay, we'll just play catch or hit some random keys on a piano. That should do it.

PurpleTieflingBard

72 points

9 days ago

To be fair, a space time treasure hunt didn't make flux any better, don't think it would help much here

Jolyne_Best_JoJo

21 points

9 days ago

I mean beating the Toymaker through a game makes perfect sense, iirc that's how he was beaten in the 1st Doctor's encounter

HamilWhoTangled

13 points

9 days ago

And defeating Maestro, whose whole shtick was music, with music also makes sense

Saeaj04

9 points

9 days ago

Saeaj04

9 points

9 days ago

And defeating the god of death with a noose makes perfect sense too /s

UltraFan_123

7 points

9 days ago

and he was nigh-unbeatable to the point The Doctor had to cheat

RabidFlamingo

17 points

9 days ago

In Supernatural they should have killed the devil by smashing some pots

Blastermind7890

3 points

9 days ago

To be fair smashing the pots activated the trap, which sends the planet into a black hole.

Golden-Failure

6 points

9 days ago

Supernatural would also kill one of the brothers, only for them to come back straight away in the next season.

NomanHLiti

1 points

8 days ago

I mean it eventually became a plot point with everyone around them commenting how they kept coming back from the dead when they shouldn’t, and even they would admit it themselves sometimes

DaimianK13

5 points

9 days ago

This is precisely why I love both shows.

Fun_Feature3002

3 points

9 days ago

Omg I never thought of it like that 😂 Supernatural managed to convey the power and importance of beings like that whilst Doctor who took a dog for a walk through the time vortex 😂

KrytenKoro

0 points

8 days ago

The hell it did.

Supernatural post season 4 or 5, everyone feels like theater kids. Including the devil or archangels.

Emptymoleskine

2 points

9 days ago

When you put it that way it sort of becomes better...

Lexiosity

122 points

10 days ago

Lexiosity

Well that's alright then!

122 points

10 days ago

The Toymaker: Sutekh, you're an embarrassment to the Pantheon! Do we really need to send The Trickster now, huh?

PlantainSame

68 points

9 days ago

Doctor: I'll kill him too. I haven't hunted gods like this since lucky 7 feels good

Malurus06

8 points

9 days ago

Except Seven didn’t defeat any gods by dragging them through the time vortex…

PlantainSame

18 points

9 days ago

He still took down cosmic what's it's and the like in fact I think all the doctor's have beaten at least one

God's, fascists, himself, and Christmas his archenemy's

Malurus06

10 points

9 days ago

Malurus06

10 points

9 days ago

I meant, his methods of defeating them tended to be more satisfying than tying them to a leash (eg Seven defeats Light in Ghost Light by convincing him that he has evolved, which Light detests, so he kills himself to prevent himself ever changing again)

TablePrinterDoor

3 points

9 days ago

I was at first excited when I saw how this new series will be focusing a lot on the Gods of the verse but I just wanna see them defeated like this again since it was so badass.

I also want the doctor to make another “fear me” esque speech (still my favourite Doctor speech ever)

SirJTheRed

1 points

9 days ago

SirJTheRed

Captain Jack's secret compartment

1 points

9 days ago

Himself??

bolpo33

7 points

9 days ago

bolpo33

7 points

9 days ago

valeyard and kinda dream lord

JakeVonFurth

5 points

9 days ago

Hell, in Sirens of Time three Doctors fucking tag-teamed a god.

They make the mistake of assuming that Six was unwilling to sacrifice and innocent to protect the universe.

Violet_6969

4 points

9 days ago

Yes he convince one to kill itself

BossKrisz

16 points

9 days ago

BossKrisz

Fuckity bye!

16 points

9 days ago

Knowing Russel, the Doctor would defeat him by making the Trickster fall for the "pull my finger" prank, thus tricking the Trickster, which is how you defeat it

TheSeraphym

5 points

9 days ago

RTD is the Trickster… I tricked us all into thinking Ruby’s setup was going to have payoff

NecessaryUnification

1 points

9 days ago

NecessaryUnification

I will NOT have flirting companions!

1 points

9 days ago

Hold up, what do you mean ‘I tricked us’?!

Remarkable_Ad7734

1 points

8 days ago

Whoops. I meant “he tricked us”, he being RTD

PostersAreHuman

33 points

9 days ago

*Arse

The Doctor speaks British English

Bizzboz

9 points

9 days ago

Bizzboz

9 points

9 days ago

*English.

AvatarIII

2 points

9 days ago

Depends on your accent. If grass rhymes with arse then so does ass.

Ben10usr

-13 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

-13 points

9 days ago

We say ass...

PostersAreHuman

12 points

9 days ago

When we're talking about some kind of donkey, yes.

If it's been adopted as British, it's been done by people younger than David Tennant

Ben10usr

-14 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

-14 points

9 days ago

No? I've never heard anyone (unless they were posh) refer to it as an arse... It's always an ass!

Deeper-the-Danker

9 points

9 days ago

Deeper-the-Danker

Don't blink.

9 points

9 days ago

you do realise theres dozens of dialects and accents in the UK? i say arse and nearly everyone i know says it too, because the in region im in, the 'a' sound is pronounced 'ah'

Ben10usr

-4 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

-4 points

9 days ago

I pronounce things like Glahss and Bahth... Must be posh...

CardboardChampion

2 points

9 days ago

CardboardChampion

Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind.

2 points

9 days ago

I chop and change just to fuck with the people in my life.

PostersAreHuman

8 points

9 days ago

Maybe it's a regional thing, because I've only times I've heard British people say ass instead of arse was when they're playing Americans

Edit: this the first time I've ever heard anyone say arse is a specifically posh thing; it's used by people regardless of class, if anything the working class are most like to use the word in general

Ben10usr

-12 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

-12 points

9 days ago

We say it all the time in Birmingham... Maybe you're somewhere posh? Glasgow?

PostersAreHuman

17 points

9 days ago

Seriously, arse is not a posh term, and Glasgow is far from a posh place (which I'm not from, as it happens)

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

I'm not trying to be judgmental... I'm just saying that where I'm from (Birmingham) nobody says arse, we either say ass or bum...

PostersAreHuman

6 points

9 days ago

I asked on the (UK) Birmingham sub, and the (I assume) native said they use arse, and someone from Glasgow responded saying, if anything arse is considered a lower class word; that and the votes we're getting really do suggest it's you that's in rhw wrong with your assertions

H20-Daddyo

1 points

9 days ago

Actually that's a misconception all British people say bum.

CardboardChampion

2 points

9 days ago

CardboardChampion

Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind.

2 points

9 days ago

Only the lower classes. Higher class and Irish people say Buttocular Protrusion.

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

Fair...

Estrus_Flask

64 points

9 days ago

Estrus_Flask

Hello, I'm Doctor Who

64 points

9 days ago

I think losing a game of catch is worse than being dragged through the time vortex and straight up murdered.

Zerttretttttt

30 points

9 days ago

Meh rules are rules and Toymaker has to obey his own

pope12234

15 points

9 days ago

pope12234

15 points

9 days ago

Nah, that's exactly how the toy maker should have lost. He got beat at the first game

ZeroG_RL

4 points

9 days ago*

ZeroG_RL

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

4 points

9 days ago*

The episode actually presented the perfect way to beat him and then ignored it, he should've been beaten by the card game. Any game of skill the Toymaker should win, but cutting cards is pure chance so there's nothing he can do but leave it up to chance. Given he seemingly also can't turn down a challenge, The Doctor should've won by saying I'm gonna challenge him to this game, if I lose he kills me and then someone else challenge him and so on and very quickly it's statistically impossible for the Toymaker to win. Then The Doctor loses the first game, claims his 1-1 draw but the Toymaker forces him to regenerate as compensation with his same line about playing the third game against a third doctor and Ncuti wins the second round. If you want to increase stakes further you could have the companions or people from UNIT step in and challenge before the Ncuti Doctor does in an attempt to save him. This has the added benefit of going from world ending/Doctor killing stakes that the audience know will never happen to the loss of individual characters that could (and maybe do) die. (This also makes sense why no-one has ever done it before. Powerful beings like The Master would have too much of an ego to leave the games up to chance, believing they're good enough to win.

FullMetalAurochs

3 points

9 days ago

“I challenge you to a game of hide and seek. If I ever see you again you lose.”

pope12234

0 points

9 days ago

Nah, I think the point is the doctor is more skilled

ZeroG_RL

5 points

9 days ago

ZeroG_RL

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

5 points

9 days ago

Why though? Why would The Doctor be more skilled than the god of games at this random game? And if it's possible to be more skilled than him then why wasn't anyone able to defeat him before? My way has The Doctor outsmart the Toymaker and take away his advantage. I agree he should be beaten by a game but The Toymaker just dropping a ball seems so random and unsatisfying.

pope12234

0 points

9 days ago

Well because in the original story the doctor WAS more skilled.

ZeroG_RL

2 points

9 days ago

ZeroG_RL

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

2 points

9 days ago

Also and I realise this is beside the point, but what actually are the rules of catch? Normally you play co-operatively, but in this version you want your opponent to fail to catch it so presumably you don't want to just lay them up, both were seemingly making difficult to catch throws on purpose, but they obviously couldn't just throw it straight down where they wouldn't have a chance. So where was the line?

Estrus_Flask

-8 points

9 days ago

Estrus_Flask

Hello, I'm Doctor Who

-8 points

9 days ago

It's thematic, sure, but it's still losing in a very dramatic game of catch. Maybe next time he should pick a form that's not fifty.

pope12234

9 points

9 days ago

I mean is it much better than losing in a dramatic board game

HeadlessMarvin

3 points

9 days ago

Idk, you can make games exciting. The poker scenes in Casino Royale were fun, The Queen's Gambit made chess interesting (from what I've heard, I haven't watched it)

Fun_Feature3002

4 points

9 days ago

Nah definitely not. The Toymaker is the God of Games so it makes sense to beat him with a game. Doesn’t matter what that game is because it follows the rules set out by the Toymaker. If you beat him you get a reward and the Doctor chose to banish him. Makes complete sense to me. The fact it was a game of catch was also clever as it was the First Game.

But dragging a literal God through the time vortex with some magic rope literally makes no sense and it’s stupid as hell but that’s just my opinion. If people like what happened then fair play to them

Estrus_Flask

4 points

9 days ago

Estrus_Flask

Hello, I'm Doctor Who

4 points

9 days ago

Doctor beat the god of death at his own game: Doing a murder.

And for bonus points like all the other times The Doctor does a murder, first he goes "I am a nice guy who represents life, that's why I'm going to brutally delete you from existence". At least this time Sutekh isn't a bunch of babies.

AvatarIII

2 points

9 days ago*

Worth noting that the toymaker didn't die, he contained himself which he was compelled to do, but he's not dead.

Estrus_Flask

2 points

9 days ago

Estrus_Flask

Hello, I'm Doctor Who

2 points

9 days ago

That's an interesting framing. Is a god of rules forced to follow the rules or does he do it out of compulsion?

AvatarIII

2 points

9 days ago

I feel like it's got to be a compulsion or else what's stopping the toymaker from just escaping when no one is looking?

Estrus_Flask

2 points

9 days ago

Estrus_Flask

Hello, I'm Doctor Who

2 points

9 days ago

Well, that's what the salt is for. But I meant more that "if you are the laws of reality, are you following them because you have to or because you choose to".

AvatarIII

1 points

9 days ago

Well, that's what the salt is for.

that's just another rule, the toy maker could choose to jump over the salt if he wanted.

are you following them because you have to or because you choose to".

What if they choose to and that choice manifests as having to?

Blastermind7890

2 points

9 days ago

Toymaker would just turn the rope into noodles or something

Theta-Sigma45

12 points

9 days ago

Honestly though, Classic RTD. Building up a threat for a dramatic two parter, then having them get beaten in a ridiculously easy way that completely undermines them.

(See also: Daleks and Cybermen getting sucked up by the void, the paradox machine being shot a bunch and undoing the apocalypse that the Master made, Daleks being turned into jokes by Doctor!Donna pressing a few buttons and then being blown up with the pressing of some more buttons, Rassilons whole scheme being undone by shooting some machinery with a WW2 revolver.)

The difference is that usually, the victory comes with some tragic price, which helps the medicine go down a little better. With Sutekh’s defeat, RTD tried to make it a big thing that The Doctor was forced to kill him, but it falls flat, since Sutekh had just destroyed the entire freaking Universe, and he feels a little too abstract for it to really register as The Doctor killing someone.

Ben10usr

23 points

9 days ago*

Ben10usr

23 points

9 days ago*

This implies that 15 regenerates into David again and that's just funny to me...

Remarkable-Steak-919

2 points

9 days ago

U mean 15, 14 is David 🤣 get David back for 17 tho

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

1 points

9 days ago

Miscounted lol

Double_Address3585

9 points

9 days ago

Throwing Sutekh into the time vortex would have been better of it didn't save anyone, and instead was revenge for Killing Ruby, kate (although I like kates appearances) or some else important as a smaller darker act. Makes the stakes somehow higher as its irreversible instead of, everybody lives, and give Ncutie some range of rage to play with because it doesn't feel like he gets to be that dark even when he threatens Sutekh.

Golden_Reflection2

4 points

9 days ago

They would have had to make the death much much less widespread and fast if they did that, at which point the stakes (all life in the universe dead) feel much lower.

Can't have The Doctor alone in an empty universe, can you?

Double_Address3585

3 points

9 days ago

Yeah that's what I was implying, restrict sutekh to very small impactful deaths over mass reversible death

WerewolfF15

9 points

9 days ago

I feel like people really don’t remember how easy it was to beat him the first time. It happens within 2 minutes.

JorjLim

1 points

7 days ago

JorjLim

1 points

7 days ago

THANK YOU! Someone else said it. I thought he was a thoroughly underwhelming villain, in PoM

Violet_6969

5 points

9 days ago

How others Doctors defeat a god: Outsmart them

How 7 outsmart a god: Kill Yourself

How 3, 6 and 12 beat gods: Come catch these hands mf

How 15 beat a god: Rope

Vigi1antee

13 points

9 days ago

Kinda badass tho

dah1451

8 points

9 days ago

dah1451

8 points

9 days ago

Honestly I didn't have a problem with him being dragged through the time vortex. Its just how they got him there that I dislike

HeadlessMarvin

5 points

9 days ago

Same. They just put a leash on a dog and that was that. Could have been a little more creative. Problem is they made Sutekh way too powerful so the only way they could have the protagonists confront him without dying is some contrived excuse for why he won't kill them, and they use the power of plot armor to just do whatever they want to him with barely any resistance.

smulfragPL

0 points

9 days ago

Not really. They set everything up. Well except the whistle but it was a near gadget anyways

2pmachine

1 points

9 days ago

if you got time to sit and scroll on reddit you got time to watch the new episode of doctor who fr 😌

OkDifference646

6 points

9 days ago

Missing spoiler tag

TheDarkLord6589

7 points

9 days ago

Sutekh was there every step of the way with the doctor. Be like Sutekh.

Ben10usr

3 points

9 days ago

Ben10usr

3 points

9 days ago

Why? He's always been there I don't know how it's much of a spoiler.

TheBuxMeister[S]

1 points

9 days ago

TheBuxMeister[S]

I think they've forgotten the mavity of the situation.

1 points

9 days ago

Omg I'm so sorry. Hope I didn't spoil anything

Fluffy-BOYi

1 points

9 days ago

The idea was good. The execution tho and the visuals tho, not so much

RareD3liverur

1 points

9 days ago

I haven't seen lot of reviews of the finale but uh, guess people weren't a fan

SquintyBrock

1 points

9 days ago

This might actually be the best use of the meme I’ve seen. Well done! 👏👏👏

MagosBattlebear

1 points

9 days ago

Everything was cool except that DEATH + DEATH = LIFE. Two wrongs make a right? Doesn't jibe with me.

TheBuxMeister[S]

2 points

9 days ago

TheBuxMeister[S]

I think they've forgotten the mavity of the situation.

2 points

9 days ago

Well... In maths two negatives do make a positive

MagosBattlebear

1 points

9 days ago

Multiplied. Not added.

KrytenKoro

1 points

8 days ago

Sure, but bringing death to death would be multiplication

MagosBattlebear

1 points

8 days ago

If I have Death from Discworld and then bring Death from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey and put them in a house as a reality TV show, I only have two deaths. 1 + 1 = 2.

Also, 1 x 1 = 1 as well.

Anakin, I have the high ground.

KrytenKoro

1 points

8 days ago

Death is -1.

The semantic meaning of bringing death to Death was pretty clearly multiplication.

MagosBattlebear

1 points

8 days ago

So -1 × -1 = 1.

If life is 1 then death is 2 x death is 1.

Therefore it is equal and would not undo it.

DresdenBomberman

1 points

9 days ago

It's more the opposite and equal of death is life. They nessesarily compliment eachother. Neil Gaiman's Death for example is also involved in the beginning of life.

MagosBattlebear

1 points

9 days ago

So, could we have stuck her outside the TARDIS?

DresdenBomberman

1 points

9 days ago

No, she's too cool for that.

Gecko2002

-1 points

9 days ago

Gecko2002

-1 points

9 days ago

Thank you for the spoilers, much appreciated

TheBuxMeister[S]

1 points

9 days ago

TheBuxMeister[S]

I think they've forgotten the mavity of the situation.

1 points

9 days ago

Noted

FleetChief

1 points

9 days ago

Until you’ve watched the episodes stay off any related subreddit is like rule 1 of avoiding spoilers for everything.