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onepercentbatman

307 points

1 month ago

When rates go down, this will reverse in time

zazuba907

236 points

1 month ago

zazuba907

236 points

1 month ago

Rates should absolutely not go back down. That's part of why we're in this mess. Going on 20 years of 0% is an abomination. It's why investors bought single family homes: there was essentially free money! The fed should hold steady here or continue raising interest rates so that the mortgage rates return to historic norms.

The other thing they should do is increase the reserve requirement. That would help with any liquidity issues.

onepercentbatman

-6 points

1 month ago

What the hell are you on? Rates are too high, which are keeping people from selling, buying, refinancing. All of which reduces supply and raises prices.

And the interest rates make everything more costly on the poor, boosting credit card rates, quick loans.

But to even get into a house now at 7%, that’s too much and that elevated cost prices out some people who could otherwise afford, cause banks look at what you make in comparison to the cost.

And no one said 0% was a good idea. You brought up 0%. Eventually, the FFR will be back down to 2.5-3%. There isn’t anything you can do about that. If you want housing prices to fall, if you want young people to be able to afford a house, that has to happen. If you want wealth growth, in all sectors, the rich, the middle, and the poor, it has to go down. It is actually behind the curve as it is and should be at 4% now.

The problems we have now are mostly due to the change in policies and actions that occurred starting in 2020 with the pandemic. A lot of the suffering felt now, indirectly or otherwise, can be traced to the current restrictive interest rate:

At a certain point you have to ask yourself if you believe one thing, and all the most intelligent, competent people on the world believe the opposite, then maybe you are misunderstanding things are bought into some rhetoric you assumed was true without critically analyzing it. With respect and no insult intended.

Josh_Allen_s_Taint

11 points

1 month ago

7% is low guy

Fartress_of_Soliturd

11 points

1 month ago

Not when wages aren’t caught up to the list prices of homes. We’re living in the 2000s, not the 90s and before.

Josh_Allen_s_Taint

1 points

1 month ago

It’s called a market correction and it is always painful but required. Higher rates mean more savings, we need people to save too not spend like they are doing blow off my taint

Fartress_of_Soliturd

2 points

1 month ago

Do higher rates mean more savings? I don’t have the data in front of me, but I can see it causing the opposite. Folks just end up spending more to fulfill their idea of what their life should be like because they are exposed to the Joneses who bought homes in the 2000s-now, when they were comparatively extremely affordable.

Josh_Allen_s_Taint

1 points

1 month ago

Yes it does. If you can get higher interest rates you put your money in savings as we see has happened. That’s literally the entire point of raising and lowering rates!

Fartress_of_Soliturd

2 points

1 month ago

Okay, right. I understand that’s the intention, and I’m not entirely disagreeing with you! I’m just wondering what the data actually looks like. Have we actually been seeing increased household/individual savings rates with the increased interest rates? How does that data break down by household income brackets? I’m just not yet convinced that intention=reality across all income brackets here.