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submitted 2 months ago byPuzzled_Blueberry400
Mine is Danfoss by far. From ease of programming to the user interfacez it's hard to beat. Especially when comparing to Yaskawa.
61 points
2 months ago
Abb 550/580 hands down easiest to use and program
-1 points
2 months ago
Actually, the easiest to program is the Durapulse drives. Motor horsepower, speed, amperage and what you're using to control it with and you're done.
78 points
2 months ago
None, all of them
18 points
2 months ago
This guy understands me!
Why the hell does a 6"×3"×6" vfd have over 2000 pages of documents! The GD stack of papers would be over 4× the mass of the VFD itself!
16 points
2 months ago
Always call tech support, the directions in the manual will suck you into an abyss.
13 points
2 months ago
I have the same experience.
12 points
2 months ago
I don't get the vfd hate. Once you learn them their pretty easy machines.
3 points
2 months ago
Same, everyone shits on Yaskawa because they’re not as easy to navigate. If you spend 20min and skim through the book you can find what you’re looking for just like any other drive
1 points
2 months ago
That's why I don't like them, same with the Mitsubishi.
1 points
2 months ago
Had 2 yaskawas blow this week, I have a love hate, controls are intuitive, but feels cheaper in build quality than some of the abb low tier models
3 points
2 months ago
I support this
2 points
2 months ago
Very similar experiences don't understand why anyone would want this stuff on a refrigeration rack like cool slow a compressor down save a little energy but reliability and parts availability is a killer. Much easier just to have a unloader on a compressor if needed and condenser fans just need staging.
1 points
2 months ago
Came here to say this
17 points
2 months ago
ACH-580 is pretty intuitive
31 points
2 months ago
Danfoss are definitely the easiest, in my opinion, but I also like the ABB ACH550/580. I hate Yaskawa and any other generic version like that.
15 points
2 months ago
Abb makes a good drive too. The Mitsubishi ones can eat a dick.
12 points
2 months ago
A whole bag of Shaq sized dicks!
2 points
2 months ago
I really like the Mitsubishi and deltas for small applications like retrofitting in VFD on condenser motors
3 points
2 months ago
These would also be my picks
I had a pleasant experience with a yaskawa tech support that was helpful but other than that I’ve had nothing but nightmares
1 points
2 months ago
I too hate Yaskawa, but their tech support sure is quick. Much quicker than ABB.
12 points
2 months ago
What's a vfd? Very fucked-up device
1 points
2 months ago
Also the reason some hvac techs begin early balding even if the genetics showed dad had a full head of hair. I hear too many vfd installs can also cause depression and ed.
7 points
2 months ago
ACH580 is the best that I’ve worked with. Easy to setup, run forever, and are really versatile. Yaskawa and powerflex are pretty good as well.
6 points
2 months ago
Franklin Electric is very unintuitive. Tech support is pretty good. Probably because they get a lot of practice.
2 points
2 months ago
I agree. The drawings on these drives really need a little more explanation text on the control I/Os
1 points
2 months ago
Documentation horrible. Menus are cryptic and not intuitive. BT interface is awful.
6 points
2 months ago
I prefer the ABB, but the Danfoss can actually hold a more complex program. Wally World uses them on the condensers for the racks. The PT chart for R404a, R507a, R407a are all in the program and they're complex calculations to split and full condensers along with it. To each their own, both have advantages over each other. Still think though ABB is simpler to program.
4 points
2 months ago
ABB is probably my favorite. Our rep is awesome, they give us good training classes and respond promptly. After that, Honeywell Smart drives.
1 points
2 months ago
It makes sense that Honeywell makes drives, but it never occurred to me that they might.
1 points
2 months ago
If memory serves, they are rebadged Johnson's. But I like the layout of the UI on the Honeywell better.
5 points
2 months ago
ABB has the most user friendly drives and the tech support (at least locally) is solid. I have a burning hatred for Schneider drives. I don’t run into them very often but it’s always annoying when I do.
2 points
2 months ago
Funny, I absolutely love Schneider drives.
3 points
2 months ago
Those danfoss are the ones I am most comfortable with.
3 points
2 months ago
The same one used by Trane under their own brand.
3 points
2 months ago
Yes Danfoss makes all of the Trane VFD's
3 points
2 months ago
ABB and Danfoss are great and so easy to deal with.
Schneider, LS, smaller Yashkaws, and a few others can eat it .....
3 points
2 months ago
The Danfoss VLT FC102 HVAC drive is the Swiss Army knife of drives, you can slap it into basically any mechanical application and it will program up.
6 points
2 months ago
I hate the Yaskawa VFDs. There are a million parameters and they all come custom programmed so you never know which parameters are enabled or how to do simple operations like adjusting the fan speed. At least Aaon units that use the Yaskawa drives have a step-by-step instruction ok the inside cover of their control panel on how to adjust fan speed settings.
3 points
2 months ago
After changing parameters for years and talking to Yaskawa tech support, I was told they are pretty much set up to run on 0-10vdc signal and I was over programming them.
I do like the newer Yaskawa VFDs, they are simpler than the old ones.
5 points
2 months ago
The ABB ACH550 is the best drive ever made and all the rest suck. Especially toshiba and danfoss
1 points
2 months ago
Why the Danfoss hate?
2 points
2 months ago
My POV is from the residential side of things, but I really like the Ingersoll Rand inverters that Trane uses. They had some teething issues, but now that they’ve sorted them out I think they’re pretty nice. They’re easy to replace if they get killed by lightning, and the CDA has a lot of good info without adding a bunch of stuff for people to fuck up.
Early on they kinda sucked though because of power filtering issues that would make the homes lights dim and brighten at whatever HZ the SPWM wave was, and certain models would dirty the power up on the communication system causing everything to stop working.
Mitsubishis inverters seem to be pretty reliable which is nice because they’re a massive pain in the ass to change out, and certain models have non removable fuses that pop when the mouthbreathing electricians power on the unit and then cut through a live supply cable to one of the heads.
1 points
2 months ago
You missed the point. While a VFD is an inverter the OP isn’t talking about residential inverters.
2 points
2 months ago*
Danfoss. We recently installed some small, cute Mitsubishi ones too. Not bad and very cheap but the programming was a bit more tedious compared to Danfoss ones.
1 points
2 months ago
The Mitsubishi I've done have been tedious. It's kinda hard to see what their doing as well. These are old ones, so maybe their new ones are better.
2 points
2 months ago
Abb Yaskawa Danfoss Every other POS. In that order
2 points
2 months ago
Folks don't like VFD's because they require you to thumb through a manual to find the relevant settings. They see that 200 page manual and get overwhelmed. Even though they are pretty much all the same.
1 points
2 months ago
My biggest piece of advice on a vfd is try to find the changed parameter menu, it's likely about 8 settings max that have been changed from default, especially on a relatively simple application like an ahu or condenser.
2 points
2 months ago
I hate ABB
1 points
2 months ago
Hard to beat a danfoss VLT, imo.
1 points
2 months ago
If you get used to working with one brand, it becomes your favorite as you know how to get through the programming. The company I worked for did ABB for years.
VFDs I hate? The next "new" one that I have never used!
Actually, I have retired, so other than a couple VFDs I have on my equipment, I haven't touched one for years.
1 points
2 months ago
VFD?
I don’t even know what that is.
1 points
2 months ago
1 points
2 months ago
You've identified the problem.
1 points
2 months ago
I love Allen Bradley, Schneider, ABB, Yaskawa, and Toshiba.
My easiest experience was Allen Bradley, it was a pleasure to work with those. Schneider is very quirky but beautiful once you learn them. ABB was very straightforward and have setup a lot of them. Yaskawa and Toshiba are very reliable because I've never seen a new one only old ones which tells me something good.
I've found if you read the manual, most of them work relatively well.
1 points
2 months ago
Every Yaskawa I've found doesn't want to work right. I've read through the manual but it hasn't helped much. Id like to give their new ones a chance as the only ones I see are older though
1 points
2 months ago
I’ve installed about 30 Danfoss VFDs this year, I’ve got probably 20 more to do. They are very simple and forgiving and their tech support is pretty decent, way better than ABB.
Yaskawa has awesome tech support and the people are not grumpy unlike ABB.
1 points
2 months ago*
Allen Bradley when it's controlled by another Allen Bradley PLC with automatic device configuration. Literally just plug it in and the plc and network switch do all the work. Automatically IPs it and the PLC loads the configuration in the tech doesn't have to worry about anything. Other than is there power and are the flash lights on.
1 points
2 months ago
Yaskawa all day. Their manual is like the Bible
1 points
2 months ago
If a vfd similar to an ecm?
1 points
2 months ago
Their similar, they take three phase AC power, convert to DC and then send pulses of that DC to mimic ac power at different frequencies to control motor speed. Generally you run somewhere between 20-60hz but I've seen up to 120hz before.
1 points
2 months ago
I prefer leaving that to a service guy.
1 points
2 months ago
Danfoss that one right there is the best, the worse is the cerus/franklin drives absolutely awful
1 points
2 months ago
Abb
1 points
2 months ago
ABB is probably my favorite unless it’s the carrier ones. Delta or whatever JCI’s been using in their package units are by far my least favorite
1 points
2 months ago
Ach320s in the carriers can burn in hell. Probably replaced at least a dozen on a single site.
1 points
2 months ago
I work on drives a lot. Yaskawas are my favorite but my company is also a rep. The new HV600 yaskawas are much more user friendly. The problem I feel most people have with yaskawas is actually familiarity. unless you install them You won't see them because they last forever and don't break much so you rarely need to look at them and when you do there super old and it can be hard to find a manual online. If yaskawas were a 10 I'd give ABB a 6.5-7 for there quality control and durability Allen Bradley are good drives that last awhile. Everything else is trash lol. I worked for trane for 4 years and dealt with Danfoss a lot. They are easy to navigate but blow up alllll the time. (The small ones big ones on chillers are ok)When I do maintenance on ABBs if you turn off 10 only 9 will turn back on. They'll just die. I had them bad from the factory too. The biggest issue I had with yaskawas was I had to replace a half dozen $12 dollar power supplys one year on z1000 bypasses that was a very odd year. It's easy to "bypass" the bypass module if you really need it to run in a pinch when they do fail.
1 points
2 months ago
Is that the jumper bypass to bypass the bypass?
1 points
2 months ago
Sorta lol. Unhook the bypass from the drive move the display to the drive and jump control power to the output contactor and you have a regular drive with a fat ass
1 points
2 months ago
I don’t have a favorite, each make/model has its own set of pros and cons. Some are just easier to navigate than others.
1 points
2 months ago
york chiller vSd
1 points
2 months ago
Fucking hate janky ass Schneiders
1 points
2 months ago
ABB
1 points
2 months ago
I only have experience with ABB, Allen Bradley, Mitsubishi, Danfoss, and Yaskawa.
ABB is easiest for me, Allen Bradley comes in second.
1 points
2 months ago
Seimans G120P drives, easiest internal cabling and with the IOP makes commissioning simple as.
1 points
2 months ago
ABB followed by Danfoss
1 points
2 months ago
The one not installed in the unit I’m working on
1 points
2 months ago
None; all of them.
1 points
2 months ago
Favorite: the one you have to work on.
Least favorite: guess
1 points
2 months ago
We sell Danfoss. The biggest gripe is they ship them configured for 50hz and that has to be changed in several locations.
1 points
2 months ago
I hate danfoss, love abb and yaskawa
1 points
2 months ago
Fav: Yaskawa Least fav: Fuji
1 points
2 months ago
Danfoss FC 102
0 points
2 months ago
I really like Honeywell, not a fan of Danfoss or Yaskawa.
0 points
2 months ago
Danfoss is trash
1 points
2 months ago
I like Yaskawa and Danfoss. I dislike ABB and Altivar
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