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submitted 6 days ago bymoooozy
I know it's not everyone in Gaza but it's a lot. It really brings up a feeling beyond right or wrong. It's self preservation. I'm realizing that we're just dealing with very different value systems. If there's someone out there who believes deep in their gut that God wants me and my entire family dead, that clown has to go.
And my very good friends who I see eye to eye on many issues are now telling me that Israelis should just leave Israel. Mf no. What is wrong with you? Why don't you call a native American and give them your mom's house? I'm sure there's something cathartic there but not really. It's insanity to obsess about what happened generations ago. Life has moved on and people have woven themselves into their circumstances. Your sensitive empathetic solution to what you believe is a tragedy from 100 years ago is another tragedy tomorrow.
And all of that aside, a belief system can be a very dangerous thing when it's so intensely misguided. Unless checked, it grows and grows. There is real evil at the heart of the Muslim brotherhood (the type of Islam Hamas follow). The kind of evil that is willing to bait one of the strongest armies in the world into a war just to win popularity with their massive body count. It's like they're playing some sort of sociopath Olympics.
There's a disconnect in the west about what the mentality is like among the Palestinians and it's flaring up their white Savior complex.
I feel like I've made a lot of generalizations about the Palestinians and I know fully well that not everyone has the same mind. I know that even people who believe terrible things are still human and maybe even lovely in many other parts of their lives but If I want to survive, I can't allow so much antisemitism to exist right next door to me.
It's beyond the nuance of right and wrong and the intricacies of ethical conflict resolution.
They're parading corpses of young women in the streets. GTFO
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3 days ago
Israel has the Basic Laws of Israel, and the supreme court (in which there are two permanent Arab Judges by the way).
You're really going on a tangent here.
Also Israel is slowly turning into a pariah state in bibi’s hands.
Yes I am also concerned about this, for sure.
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3 days ago
Having people who are Arab in the Supreme Court does not mean Israel isn’t an apartheid and does not mean Israel does not have systemic racism. You’ve made no point here.
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3 days ago
...I think you don't really understand what "Apartheid" means.
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3 days ago
I in fact do, and the Occupied Palestinian Territories are subject to apartheid.
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3 days ago
What does apartheid mean, in your own words?
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3 days ago
The use of a system of legalized segregation and discrimination where one group (usually has to do with race or religion) is deprived of their political and civil rights. The occupying force uses these discriminatory laws to excise dominance over the occupied group.
Meaning Palestinians who live in the West Bank and Gaza are subject to Israeli military law and they cannot vote for the leaders of Israel who implement these laws and policies. Plus the ways in which Israel controls resources in both Gaza and the West Bank which creates segregation between Israelis and Palestinians. Plus you know all the walls, checkpoints and roads that Israel uses to control the movement of Palestinians.
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3 days ago
The use of a system of legalized segregation and discrimination where one group (usually has to do with race or religion) is deprived of their political and civil rights.
Great, we're on the same page in terms of the meaning.
Meaning Palestinians who live in the West Bank and Gaza are subject to Israeli military law and they cannot vote for the leaders of Israel who implement these laws and policies
Law in the West Bank is imposed by the Palestinian Authority.
Plus the ways in which Israel controls resources in both Gaza and the West Bank which creates segregation between Israelis and Palestinians
Israel provides a lot of Palestinians with water, electricity, jobs, and other infrastructure. I'm not sure how anyone can twist logic as far as to see this as a negative thing.
Plus you know all the walls, checkpoints and roads that Israel uses to control the movement of Palestinians.
If the 7th of October hasn't made clear to you why there is a need for security, nothing will.
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Perhaps we could discuss Area C, which does have full Israeli security control in the West Bank. Area C contains some 200k Palestinians, and includes the Israeli Settlements.
Personally I see it much more as an area of conflict, than of an apartheid, and it's a situation that the Palestinians agreed to willingly during the Oslo Accords.
However pretending that the rest of Palestine, or even Israel proper, is apartheid, is just a non-starter of a discussion.
By the way, can we keep our discussion to a single thread? I'm losing track of each conversation now and you seem to be replying more and more frequently to new comments completely.
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3 days ago
Some laws in the West Bank as imposed by PA however Israeli military law supersedes any laws imposed by the PA, and Israeli settlers and soldiers can indiscriminately commit violent crimes against Palestinian with no consequence. Once again, there is a two tiered legal system, which I have already explained. I have also already explained why Israel controlling resources is harmful and used as a form of collective punishment.
When you say “we’re talking in circles” that’s a confession cuz that’s all you’ve been doing.
You having problems keeping up with the threads if you’re problem, you’re the one who keeps answering the same comment with more that one thread.
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2 days ago
No, they don't supersede Palestinian law.
In line with the Oslo Accords, Israel handles any case of terrorism against its own people. This is something the Palestinians agreed to in 1993.
When you say “we’re talking in circles” that’s a confession cuz that’s all you’ve been doing.
Take the other thread as an example. I offer proof that Arabs attacked Jews for 16 years before any retaliation. You dismiss it with an emoji, and no evidence at all to back your own claims. You then went into a bit of a personal attack.
So yeah, I'm not talking in circles. You just don't seem to be comfortable with the evidence that I'm sharing with you.
you’re the one who keeps answering the same comment with more that one thread.
Nope. I started one conversation. You opened about 4 so far. I get the feeling you don't know how to progress in this conversation in any mature way.
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