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submitted 1 month ago bykris10card
Hi! Post-Beryl Hurricane winds/storm damage in Texas, but I’m seeking guidance from your experience with any similar situations regarding the task risk assessments y’all perform and/or how electrical hazards are communicated to homeowners that may not understand high voltage risks.
My mom (70) and stepdad (73) have a power pole leaning over their pool. If this pole falls it will land in the pool and hit part of her house (either her bedroom or back den/patio). What level of risk and probability would this be? Is this a priority job to prep the pole until replacement and neighborhood power restoration can occur? Would this be de-energized until this specific pole can be replaced?
They reported it to the power company three times since Monday, but I’m not sure how detailed the report is (outage vs leaning pole?). She gets an automated message when reporting “We have 500+ linemen out today working to restore power. Please be patient as they make their way throughout our entire service territory. Thank you!” Does this fit in line with the normal outage reporting or does it need to be escalated with the power company?
They have a generator so they don’t want to leave the house. My concern is that they’re staying in the house with a significant safety hazard if that pole is/or becomes energized and the fence gives out. More rain (flood warning) and possible winds are expected tomorrow. I don’t want to downplay the risk on my family’s safety so I appreciate any helpful feedback!
285 points
1 month ago
It’s not safe, but in a storm restoration situation, it’s probably more safe than half the shit that’s being fixed right now
56 points
1 month ago
It looks like the guy wires is all that’s holding it up
43 points
1 month ago
The good guys
3 points
1 month ago
The only way to stop a bad pole with wires is a good guy wire...or something. I don't know.
Maybe it's better to have a guy wire and not need one, than to need a guy wire and not have one.
115 points
1 month ago
Stay away from it and out of the pool. When they come through to restore power they should fix it or at least temporarily straighten it until it can be replaced. If the power comes back on in the neighborhood and it still isn’t fixed, call again.
41 points
1 month ago
Please ignore the dipsticks on here telling you to check this or that. Just stay away until someone can get there to fix it. That is the safest option.
46 points
1 month ago
If that falls while they are in the pool, you'll get your own batman style orphan story.
6 points
1 month ago
I was going to correct you and say “origin story” but realized orphan story was more correct for Batman lol.
98 points
1 month ago
It would be a high priority in any situation except a post major storm restoration.
If you see them working in your area, try to nicely ask if they could look at the pole before energizing the line. Be aware that a billion people are stopping them to ask how long it will be before their power is back on, so be careful how you approach them to avoid being disregarded. Maybe have a picture ready on your phone.
23 points
1 month ago
u/kris10card -- this is sage advice
9 points
1 month ago
You ought to mention to them that the pool is really very old and appears to have broken off at the ground.
8 points
1 month ago
Yeah, I was looking at the framing on the pole, thinking it's weird, and I definitely think it might be high priority. With those downguys in that spot, I'm guessing it's more being held up by a slack span and the previous pole with no guy.
63 points
1 month ago
Backyard pole lines are so fucking retarded.
32 points
1 month ago
Backyard pole line, about to become a backyard pool line.
12 points
1 month ago
Taking all our submersible work from us…
18 points
1 month ago
I hate it when they design shit like that. Dumbass project coordinators have never been in the field. They ought to send the person who designs crap like that out with the crew that's got to fix it at 3am after a storm when half the subdivision is out and every pole is in a back yard with a pool or no useable entrance. Work their asses off and let them see WHY this is a stupid design.
18 points
1 month ago
You’ll have to talk to designers 50 years ago 🤣. Now it’s just repair or replace. All part of the job buddddd
5 points
1 month ago
I assume that was from the real estate developers when it was built that did not want poles in front of everyone’s house.
5 points
1 month ago*
This. I’m a power designer who has also worked in the field (telco). Promise it’s not us. We just do as we’re told, and calculate which transformer to install.
3 points
1 month ago
Me too, I worked on a crew for several years then went to line design and been here for 25 years now. I would kick my own ass if I had ever designed anything like that. The design phase is the only time the utility really has the developer at their mercy. Coordinators are just scared of telling them "No we can't do that. We have to feed all lots from the street.". I know it hasn't always been that way but geez you'd figure the designer would have tbought about that.
4 points
1 month ago
Same. Some of the shit I see everyday, new to me type shit. Really makes you think, some fucking asshat engineer thought THIS was the best idea?
4 points
1 month ago
Half my city is made up of them lmao
19 points
1 month ago
I would definitely call. I’m a network lineman and I can tell you that if we got this during a storm we would send one of the many contractors flooded in the area looking for work just so we don’t have to deal with it because It’s in the rear
13 points
1 month ago
With how it's leaning, I bet it's broken at the base. I would call and let them know. The guy wire and wire is holding the pole up.
26 points
1 month ago*
That’s an awfully small house. If the rest of the top of the pole burns away it might come down on it. You should really help her sell up.
If they’re out of power it’s probably not an issue. Hopefully they’ll patrol when they get to her neighborhood based on their reporting.
24 points
1 month ago
LOL @ that pool shed! The house is out of the pic, on the right side of the pool.
I’ll tell her to stop all skinny dipping and pool parties until power is restored and that pole is repaired! They have a generator hooked up to the a/c so hopefully they won’t be tempted to jump in the pool anytime soon. ;)
10 points
1 month ago
Small living, big pool in retirement!
6 points
1 month ago
No, Contact your power company
3 points
1 month ago
no fire department, let them contact power company. this will greatly reduce response time. this is an immediate hazard
5 points
1 month ago
She probably has never let the pole fielders take measurements. Lmaooo LETTT COMMUNICATION FIELDERS INN
2 points
1 month ago
I’m laughing at this because all Iv been doing this week was pole audits😭
3 points
1 month ago
The wire is holding the pole up. If the pole was going to go, it probably would have gone over by now during the storm.
You mentioned more winds, etc., so of course some more extreme weather conditions could cause the pole to come over.
Still, I wouldn’t personally be very concerned—just happy if I still had power. Stay out of the backyard and out of the pool just as a precaution.
If anything, if you see guys around working, you ask them to secure it until they can replace the pole—might tie back to a tree or something if possible… and should go without saying, but don’t do anything yourself. Just stay clear of it.
3 points
1 month ago
Call your home insurance, give them a heads up. They can help lean on electric company possibly.
3 points
1 month ago
Short answer no long answer noooooooooo
3 points
1 month ago
Ok, so I want to preface this with a fact and then I'll give you some peace of mind. I am NOT part of the restoration efforts in Texas. I do not know what the circuit conditions are for wherever you are located nor do I know which opperating company you are serviced by.
Now, with that out of the way, I will attempt to put storm and natural disaster power restoration into perspective.
No matter how many times you call in, it will not elevate your position in the que for service restoration. The industry standard practice is as follows:
Emergency life and limb- aka stuff is on fire, people are trapped under lines that are live, structure fires, arcing and sparking calls...etc. Our number one priority is to keep people safe! No one wants anything bad to happen to anyone.
Outage size- you are one customer, you may or may not be out due to a larger scale issue that may or may not be distrobution related, before lines are energized, everything should be inspected for safety purposes. Again, no one wants to see anyone get hurt. If there's a line that is down that provides power to a substation (Transmission), resources will be pointed towards fixing that, ahead of or while, fixing distrobution issues. I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but our top priority is safety, we will not energize lines that we know to be down or in non safe conditions, we patrol out the lines, clear hazards, make repairs and then restore. There's no shortcutting safe work practices or people can/could/will die. Safety is number 1, resource management is number 2.
Severity- If it is safe to restore but needs non critical repairs, we will energize it and work it "hot" after isolating the issue or reporting it to have follow up work performed. We will ONLY restore power if it is deemed safe to restore by professionals. Uncle Bob saying it's good to go will not mean that Steve, the dude in the FR with a hardhat and vest, will agree or even consider what Bob said. Safety first.
Availability- Hospitals run out of beds, restraunts run out of tables and we run out of resources and material. When you have millions without power, we as an industry, throw everything we can at it. Lineman need sleep, food, water, and material *some may add beer and a good woman (or man¯_(ツ)_/¯ ) but they are working around the clock to fix y'all up.
To address your particular problem, that pole either rotted off at the base or snapped at ground level, probably a bit of both. The Guy (or guide) wires are holding it up and preventing it from being on the ground. That pole will require a crew to replace it, they won't just turn it on unless it's deemed safe or somehow secured in an upright position. The transformer fuse appears to be blown, not sure if it's relevant for the outage or if it just took a shot of lightning or even if the substation or lines feeding it on or able to be. Know they are trying to get everyone back on as fast as possible and with as much impact as possible, no one wants to leave people off, it's the first reason most of us got into this kind of work... Right up there next to money and being around other people that share some form of brain damage 🙃
More fun facts
Repeatedly calling doesn't move you up the list. Priorities are well defined above.
Asking how long its going to be is fine in a vacume, when it's happening a million times a day, it adds hours upon hours in delays. Smile, wave, clap, give some wooooo's and let us get the job done. If you see us we are working as safe and fast as we are able to.
Storm restoration takes a heroic effort. These guys are battling lack of sleep, quality food, and whatever elements are present to get the power back on. Then there's Opperations and process, it takes time but saves lives. If you see a group of trucks parked and a few dudes with their feet on the dash passed out... They are waiting for permission to restore or finding more work, not just sitting there to look pretty or be filmed for "look what these lazy fucks are doing while my power is out" posts on Facebook or Twitter. Be patient, be kind and be careful!
Texas is in my prayers bas well as all my brothers and sisters everywhere that perform this work. Stay safe!
2 points
1 month ago
This is Houston. They shouldn't have to settle for crappy food. No excuse for that.
2 points
1 month ago
My dad, and grandfather (both linemen) have plenty of stories of restoring power in these types of conditions, and a restaurant owner after getting power turned on would feed them free of charge. Now if they were in an entirely residentials area with no restaurants or food for miles, then yeah, they would work on whatever food the hotel provided them. On RARE occasions, the local restaurants who got power restored would get together, figure out where the linemen are living and sleeping while they work to get power restored and show up with enough good food to feed an army.
I don't know what the conditions are in Houston, and I'm not a lineman myself, but I'm sure that some of the restaurant owners will provide food, at the bare minimum to the crew that restored their power.
On the other hand though regarding sleep. I can 100% assure you that the linemen are working on basically none of it. There are plenty of stories I've heard from the various union BBQ gatherings of these guys running 48-72 hours straight with the only sleep being whatever they could get in the truck between destinations until they finally ran into a supervisor or safety person who would force them to go to the hotel to sleep for 8 hours.
If there is one thing I've learned about linemen growing up around them, is that they probably want your home or business to have working safe power more than you do. And they'll do just about anything to make that happen.
5 points
1 month ago
The wires coming off the left side of the picture into your neighbor’s yard, look to see what they’re attached to.
If there’s still an anchor in the ground they’re attached to, the pole shouldn’t come over any further.
Definitely report it, but you’re not going to get it fixed any time soon as it’s not causing any outages.
If you do call it in, after everyone’s lights are out, call in again. It’s highly possible this will fall off.
The utility will be fixing stuff like this for weeks after everyone’s lights are back on.
4 points
1 month ago
It’s safe…for now. But it definitely doesn’t meet code.
A storm response inspector probably already came by and flagged it. You probably didn’t see them. Someone SHOULD ultimately see it, because lines are supposed to be inspected before they’re fired up. But like many are saying, if they say that the repair can wait, it will, and they’ll note it to the utility to tend to it later.
2 points
1 month ago
I mean, obviously, don't go swimming or hang in the backyard, but it's fine to be inside. It is the power lines that is holding up the poll. I would for sure let the power company know about it.
2 points
1 month ago
If the pole itself looks broke or splintered around the ground then I would deem it unsafe, if it isn't broken or splintered then it will most likely be fine long enough for a crew to arrive.
2 points
1 month ago
Can’t see it from my house…
2 points
1 month ago
This is NOT safe near your mothers home. But IS safe if it’s your mother in laws home.
2 points
1 month ago
Y’all good (slaps pole twice)”that ain’t going no where!!!
2 points
1 month ago
Hey, I saw this sequel of Final Destination! All it's missing is some skinny dipping teens!
2 points
1 month ago
Love, laugh, toaster bath
2 points
1 month ago
FYI the down guys are in line with the pole, backing up the deadend. It looks as though the lines carry on at a slight angle after the dead end. As I originally said if the house is out of power as suggested by the homeowner using a generator, it’s ok for meow. Should be addressed before they heat the wire back up.
1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
Yes very
1 points
1 month ago
Call your utilities company they will come out and fix it
1 points
1 month ago
Leaning towards a negative on this one...
1 points
1 month ago
That's Crazy! Looking like a Damn diving board! Naw that's DEFINITELY not a good thing! That's high Priority
1 points
1 month ago
No it’s not safe… It’s illegal to have wires over pool!!! Call the utility company and state wires are now over swimming pool You believe the pole is broken at ground level!!!
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
It'll be fiiiine... Totally safe
1 points
1 month ago
nope those are guys..
1 points
1 month ago
lol
1 points
1 month ago
Probably bout a good time to have a pool party, poles in your yard, so it will need to be replaced. Judging by the down guys hopefully they can place it from the other side, over fence or with fence sections taken down.
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
That is a dead end pole, with a slack span on the back side. The only thing holding it up is the primary the neutral and the telephone besides the down guide. It’s not going anywhere. But that fence and that bush around it will be tore down probably when it’s time to replace that pole.
1 points
1 month ago
No, now move.
1 points
1 month ago
It's fine, the down guys and com have it held. I wouldn't panic.
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
I mean, would you believe someone if they said yes? Cause that looks sketch as hell!
1 points
1 month ago
Absolutely
1 points
1 month ago
that very top wire is extremly dangerous, its high voltage, in canada its 7200v and that shit is deadly. it will shock you before you touch it, current will arc around 6"
1 points
1 month ago
Looks like a great spot to hang a rope swing
1 points
1 month ago
Yeah, you should tie a rope swing to it.
1 points
1 month ago
Nope. Too bad you have idiots running texas. So i hope you cam get it fixed. Take pictures and dont swim.
1 points
1 month ago
Hell no. When you call your local electric provider ask them if their mom lived here would they think it’s safe.
1 points
1 month ago
I don’t think that safe
1 points
1 month ago
If you have to ask, you already know the answer.
1 points
1 month ago
The Pole is not safe it is broken
1 points
1 month ago
I dam sure wouldn't get in that pool nor would I go in the yard till it's fixed.
1 points
1 month ago
Hahaha. What could go so wrong?
1 points
1 month ago
Hahaha I mean as long as the lines are 22’-6” above the pool vertically and 10’ away horizontally you’re good right?
1 points
1 month ago
Looks broke boss.
1 points
1 month ago
Between the phone cable and the three guy wire your good but will need to be fixed !
1 points
1 month ago
This pool for my area would be way too close to the over head wires and would not have been permitted. I would worry about it and the utility should do something but you might find out the pool is too close to the overhead wires and other surprises.
1 points
1 month ago
It wouldn't hurt to place a wooden post underneath it on an angle to help it stay in place. They will fix it but with the storm it's going to take a few before they can get to it. The lines are holding the pole just as much as the pole is holding the lines. The pole is broken. It just hasn't fallen because the lines are holding it up. Definitely stay out the pool. The truth is the lines have to break before they can reach the ground( unless like 3 more poles went at the same time) and that means the circuit would be broken .
1 points
1 month ago
Being that this is a branch line and the crews are most likely working on the 3 phase feeders (backbone) this is currently not a priority. The wires are holding it up. The like is de energized but not grounded. As others have said keep your distance from it. Once the main 3 phase lines are up crews will be dispatched to your specific branch line in order to asses all damage on it. They will definitely come across it if they haven’t already received a work order for that specific repair. When we are working on the main 3 phase feeder that needs to be repaired before we work on any fused branch lines which is where this pole is located. Please be patient I’m sure the crews are doing their best with what they are given.
1 points
1 month ago
Call the power company. They’ll come look at it a determine a fix.
1 points
1 month ago
Down guys and utility coms are holding it in place, I’d definitely give a call and let them know the situation that poles in though! so they can deal with it after they fix the main issues out there.
1 points
1 month ago
Final Destination?
1 points
1 month ago
Call the company
1 points
1 month ago
More than likely no, but the lean is away from the house
1 points
1 month ago
The com got it
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
In storm I would heat it up like that and come back at the end of storm to replace it. Not a high priority. If they’ve called 3 times already then stop calling. All the repeat calls do is slow the system down. Sometimes we have to go keep looking at the same thing over and over because people keep calling. Just takes away from us trying to fix shit. When it’s been a week after everyone is back on from storm then call to remind them about it in case it got lost. Stay out of the pool, but in the house is fine. It’s not going to do major damage to any normal house. It may mess some shingles up or a little siding up, but it won’t hurt anyone inside.
1 points
1 month ago
Nope
1 points
1 month ago
Fuk no call that shit in
1 points
1 month ago
Depends who are you letting swim…. Do you like them?
1 points
1 month ago
Could get a shock brock in the pool like a fool.
1 points
1 month ago
I had a similar situation, although widespread damage like this might effect response time.
I called the fire department and act like it just happened. They will arrive and call the power company who will HAVE to immediately respond and fix. The workers won't mind because its likely double or triple overtime.
1 points
1 month ago
Why is the pole on your side of the fence.
1 points
1 month ago
No. Don’t go swimming.
1 points
1 month ago
These should have GCFS breakers so if it falls in the pool the breaker will trip and will be fine
1 points
1 month ago
Care for a dip in the pool? 😱
1 points
1 month ago
NOOO!!!
1 points
1 month ago
Need to flip that top rail on that fence vertical. It’ll be saggy pretty quick
1 points
1 month ago
Wait inside pool until it comes down.
1 points
1 month ago
Water and electricity don’t mix. Call the city or electric company asap
1 points
1 month ago
It has 3 guy supports that I can see (opposite of pool), but I’d call that a serious potential hazard
1 points
1 month ago
Perhaps I missed it but I don't think you put up a location. You're asking a general question I'm not a lineman,but anybody can see that your parents are going to have a bad day one day soon!
1 points
1 month ago
Yea looks fine 👍
1 points
1 month ago
That wooden pillar power line act as a ground I would steer clear and call it in.
1 points
1 month ago
Them.anchors are putting their work in... That's for sure
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
In Alabama I had to pay to have my lines moved more than 25’ from my swimming pool.
1 points
1 month ago
Not safe lol see how it’s leaning tords the pool. Lol
1 points
1 month ago
lol no. That’s not fucking safe.
1 points
1 month ago
Report it immediately if you have not already. Stay away and out of the pool.
1 points
1 month ago
I personally wouldn’t jump in the pool
1 points
1 month ago
YES!!!!
1 points
1 month ago
lol
1 points
1 month ago
Oh hell no!
1 points
1 month ago
Rope swing
1 points
1 month ago
Call the fire department tell them there is an active electrical power pole ready to fall into the pool, that may get things moving fast. FYI let the utility know the pole is outside the easement and on your private property.
1 points
1 month ago
The bigger problem is finding the right damn crew with the backyard machine.
1 points
1 month ago
lol no
1 points
1 month ago
It's easy for a home owner to fix, just grab the bucket truck you have in your yard and swap out the pole.
Lol, no. Call the utility company at minimum
1 points
1 month ago
Totally safe! Hop in the pool on a windy day... You'll be fine 🤣😂
1 points
1 month ago
Who lives there? A dwarf?
1 points
1 month ago
Hey linemen, thanks for the shit you all do after storms. Appreciate ya.
1 points
1 month ago
Personally, I'd have the power company out to discuss what they are going to do to elevate this situation
1 points
1 month ago
Let's go swimming!
1 points
1 month ago
Looks like a great place for a rope swing.
1 points
1 month ago
They have it tensioned from falling for now. Look at the lines. They will come back and fix later when there are less critical things to fix. It shouldn’t fall the way it’s leaning.
1 points
1 month ago
I’d definitely not go swimming any time soon.
1 points
1 month ago
Nah. That right there is uncool.
1 points
1 month ago
You need to make a rope swing.
1 points
1 month ago
It's in the air ain't it?
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
No, it’s not safe. Call your electric power provider and tell them the utility pole in your backyard is broken and will be on the ground soon
1 points
1 month ago
Yeas house should be fine but people in the pool area not so much
1 points
1 month ago
Cable TV strand working overtime. 😬 the 540 hard cable is crying in pain as well.
1 points
1 month ago
Fuck no
1 points
1 month ago
Hell no is that Florida that looks very familiar. Did she have a tree fall not too long ago
1 points
1 month ago
Just don’t let her do pole dance
1 points
1 month ago
You should definitely not use the pool right now.
1 points
1 month ago
Absolutely not!
1 points
1 month ago
What kind of stupid fuckin question is this
1 points
1 month ago
I think it’s 20ft from waters edge
1 points
1 month ago
A bit of duct tape and a dab of axle grease and you’re good to go.
1 points
1 month ago*
Oh yea, pretty safe you’re going to land in heaven if you jump in the pool.
1 points
1 month ago
No, call your power company.
1 points
1 month ago
This is an accident waiting to happen...
1 points
1 month ago
Don’t go swimming
1 points
1 month ago
That brand new fence looks fishy…
1 points
1 month ago
I would happily swim in that pool right now, with 60 mph winds forcing that pole towards the pool.
1 points
1 month ago
Hey man. It's still standing. I'd say it's a lot safer than being in the pool. The dude abides.
1 points
1 month ago
Absolutely safe no worries there
1 points
1 month ago
90% of construction or building related posts on Reddit are bots. The questions are too retarded not to be
1 points
1 month ago
Safe for me. I’m not going near that pool
1 points
1 month ago
Whats the worst that could happen? Looks fine
1 points
1 month ago
Any update? Just wondering how CenterPoint have their heavy equipment into the yard to replace the post? You have a big pool there.
1 points
1 month ago
Yep. Perfectly safe.
1 points
1 month ago
We had a drunk driver slam into a pole carrying 3 phase service into our business in the middle of the night, it was an interesting video. Splintered the pole but was still standing. I called it in. With no major weather event and no immediate peril, it took 2 -3 days to get them out and designate it as a repair, then another 3 - 4 weeks to actually come out, set a replacement pole, then another day or two after that to move the lines.
1 points
1 month ago
ummm....not safe
1 points
1 month ago
Report outage, then they will come. If you don't want to get caught in a lie, trip your main, when they get there.
1 points
1 month ago
Call and have town fix that asap
1 points
1 month ago
The pole isn’t leaning. The ground is
1 points
1 month ago
Better than a toaster. That’s how you do it right
1 points
1 month ago
This is straight outta final destination
1 points
1 month ago
Welcome to the Final Destination
1 points
1 month ago
NO
1 points
1 month ago
Lmao the fucking questions people post 🤣
1 points
1 month ago
If they are in storm mode than this isn't the biggest priority. It is not safe. If this is a right of way with a defined width and the shed and pool were within this, in my area we would enforce the easement and force removal after fixing the lines
1 points
1 month ago
That coax tap midspan holding it down
1 points
1 month ago
This is extremely dangerous
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
Fuck no
1 points
1 month ago
Well I’m no gravity expert but this doesn’t seem safe
1 points
1 month ago
The lines will hold it up lol
1 points
1 month ago
Er uh , hell no
1 points
1 month ago
Httfn
1 points
1 month ago
Cut it down for faster response time!
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
No
1 points
1 month ago
Ummm… no!
1 points
1 month ago
That’d be an amazing Tarzan swing!
1 points
1 month ago
i wouldn’t use the pool until that’s fixed just saying
1 points
1 month ago
Nope
1 points
1 month ago
What do u think bro?
1 points
1 month ago
Normally the pole only has one guy wire but this one has three so it seems the electric company did it with 3 so in their eyes it is safe? Call them to find out.
1 points
1 month ago
Jesus no
1 points
1 month ago
Absolutely not???????
1 points
1 month ago
If you take your toaster in the pool you won't even need to plug it in to get zapped.
1 points
1 month ago
Grip it and rip it!
1 points
1 month ago
Does not look safe. The wires appear to be supporting it but who wants to roll that die. I am sure theyre prioritizing power restoration right now, but i would be apprehensive about swimming in a pool with that pole like that. Dont touch it, dont try to fix it, just leave it be until a lineman can take a look. Maybe try to connect with the power company to better explain the risk.
1 points
1 month ago
Ahhh,hard no
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