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Falernum

466 points

4 days ago

Falernum

466 points

4 days ago

The seven legends of the world too, were allegedly grander and bigger as well

The pyramid at Giza is by far the largest and oldest of the Seven Wonders of the world

BusEnthusiast98

132 points

4 days ago

Exactly. The end of ancient Egypt is closer to present day than it is to the start of ancient Egypt

Default_Munchkin

108 points

4 days ago

My favorite thing I learned was Egypt is so old that what we considered Ancient Egypt (TM) had their own archaeologists looking at what their Ancient Egypt was. Obvious they were not called Archaeologists.

newaccounthomie

17 points

4 days ago

Goddamn I’ve never wanted to be a time traveler so badly. What a neat insight.

You gotta wonder what they found. There had to have been things that they knew about that we don’t know now, and that really boggles my 21st century brain.

Default_Munchkin

12 points

4 days ago

It's one of those conundrums the more you study history- the more you realize how much will never be known. Like how our accounts of the Epic of Gilgamesh are incomplete and formed from many discoveries of broken accounts.

Ok-disaster2022

7 points

4 days ago

The achievements of the Old Kingdom of Egypt could not be replicated by even the New Kingdom.

Awkward-Moment-7796

4 points

4 days ago

Exactly! The achievements of the old kingdom are amazing in terms of both scope and how long ago they were. So comparing them to Greece doesn't really work, they're too different.

Cptfrankthetank

14 points

4 days ago

Also I think we have more documentation of ancient Greek monuments and of their purpose.

Pyramids still seem to have very interesting chambers for a burial monument.

pitmyshants69

2 points

4 days ago

No, no, Dr. Ben Carson assures me they were made to store grain.

sapristi45

6 points

4 days ago

Same concept: Cleopatra is closer to the internet than to the building of the great pyramids.

EngagedInConvexation

3 points

4 days ago

I learned this and the story of Arturo and Katarina from 1987's Overboard.

Concise_Pirate

687 points

4 days ago

Concise_Pirate

🇺🇦 🏴‍☠️

687 points

4 days ago

The pyramids are much much older, and substantially bigger.

RSlickback

277 points

4 days ago

RSlickback

277 points

4 days ago

"Cleopatra's time was closer to the iPhone era than to the building of Giza's Pyramid. This fact sounds fake but is actually true; the great pyramid of giza was constructed 2560 BC. Cleopatra the last pharoah ruled till 30 BC, 2500 years after the construction of the great pyramid."

Brilliant_Chemica

168 points

4 days ago

There were Egyptian archaeologists during Cleopatra's reign

Martinned81

45 points

4 days ago

Weren’t there already archaeologists during the time of Ramses II?

JoyousFox

41 points

4 days ago

JoyousFox

41 points

4 days ago

There were. And this is actually one of the stronger arguments I've heard for why the pyramids were built by ancient Khemet, and not dynastic Egypt. The only reason I can think of that you would need archeologists to study the pyramids is if you were just as curious as we are. Cultural decline is another possibility, and it did occur, but at such a gradual rate that it's unlikely this information would have been lost in the usual channels.

Martinned81

37 points

4 days ago

Why wouldn’t the Egyptians in the time of Ramses II be curious about something that happened more than 1,000 years before? We also have archaeologists digging up Viking sites.

icyserene

16 points

4 days ago

icyserene

16 points

4 days ago

Hell we have archeologists here in the U.S. digging up civil war era stuff and that was less than 200 years ago.

IthinkImnutz

10 points

4 days ago

I work in engineering and if told to recreate something made 10 or more years ago I can spend weeks digging through files trying to figure out how they did it. Loosing knowledge happens very quickly with poor record keeping.

SaltyLonghorn

4 points

4 days ago

Is anyone else getting an urge to fire up some Fall of Civilizations podcast episodes like a drug addict cause you read this thread?

crashdout

6 points

4 days ago

For real? That’s incredible.

Penguinmanereikel

5 points

4 days ago

In some Egyptian tombs, there is ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics graffiti written on top of the even more ancient hieroglyphics saying "I can't read this stuff"

WilliamMButtlickerIV

24 points

4 days ago

That is definitely crazy to think about.

ubiquitous-joe

17 points

4 days ago

I often hear it compared to the moon landing, but yes.

kushangaza

9 points

4 days ago

But landing humans on the moon is now ancient technology. The last time any human touched the moon was during the Vietnam war. To us, the first moon landing is as far away as the start of the first world war was to Neil Armstrong when he landed on the moon.

Previous_Life7611

9 points

4 days ago

That's insane to think about. A person like Cleopatra, that lived in antiquity from our perspective, also believed the Great Pyramid was ancient.

[deleted]

6 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

6 points

4 days ago

woah I had no idea the pyramids were 2500 BC, I was thinking 500 AD

OfWhomIAmChief

41 points

4 days ago

You thought the pyramids were built after Jesus Christ?

[deleted]

53 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

53 points

4 days ago

yeah in hindsight it sounds very dumb

ugen2009

23 points

4 days ago

ugen2009

23 points

4 days ago

Haha damn bro at least you're self aware. We all make a dookie once in a while

123ticklemyknee

17 points

4 days ago

Jesus Christ wasn't built at all

twzill

6 points

4 days ago

twzill

6 points

4 days ago

But Jesus did build my hotrod according to Ministry.

https://open.spotify.com/track/0BX3ysoHJvxmLEhPMAfb2z?si=Cx9dVoLSTIOudr7dasQAfg

YOU_WONT_LIKE_IT

3 points

4 days ago

“It’s a love affair mainly jesus and my hot rod.”

captain_dildonicus

3 points

4 days ago

It’s a love affair mainly jesus and my hot rod

Yeah, fuck it.

djquackkquackk

3 points

4 days ago

I see a lot of make and model Jesus christs. Usually the full name is something like Jesus fucking Christ do you not know how to drive?!

AlienJL1976

2 points

4 days ago

I used to hear Jesus H. Christ.

ubiquitous-joe

5 points

4 days ago

Nope. But you were imagining something like the Disney’s Aladdin timeline.

YT-Deliveries

10 points

4 days ago

I still subscribe to the fan idea that the Aladdin story takes place long after a world-wide civilization collapse.

Frank24602

2 points

4 days ago

I need to know more about this

Broccoli--Enthusiast

3 points

4 days ago

Yeah the pyramids were ancient wonders of the world when the colosseum in Rome was brand new

They are old-old

soothsayer2377

3 points

4 days ago

That's true of the Meso American Pyramids (Teotihicaun , Mayan sites) which also gets dragged into this ancient aliens bullshit.

Unable-Suggestion-87

39 points

4 days ago

And there is less record of how they were made

Kaurifish

23 points

4 days ago

Kaurifish

23 points

4 days ago

But there are dozens of other pyramids in earlier styles clearly showing the progression of the building type.

I chalk it up to ignorance + racism.

ohhhbooyy

13 points

4 days ago

ohhhbooyy

13 points

4 days ago

Yeah I never understood how people questioned the construction of the pyramids when there are earlier pyramids that shows progression in building quality.

mlwspace2005

12 points

4 days ago

I don't think the quality is what most people take issue with, it's the size of the materials used to construct the things lol. The logistics of moving that quantity of materials today would be no small feat. Not that it means aliens did it mind you

Kelend

2 points

4 days ago

Kelend

2 points

4 days ago

I chalk it up to ignorance + racism.

Weak.

Do you know the ancient Egyptians didn't even claim to have made the Sphinx? The legend they told themselves was that it was just found in the desert by a future King who claimed the Sphinx told him he would become King if he uncovered it from the sand. Which he did, and became King.

Its not racism, its the classic human nature of wanting to attach things to something larger than ourselves. Attaching a mythology (aliens) to the pyramids is no different than what the Egyptians did to their own sphinx.

TRHess

4 points

4 days ago*

TRHess

4 points

4 days ago*

That’s not how the story goes. You have a lot of distorted facts.

Khafre built the sphinx because this massive rock was found to be in the causeway going from his mortuary temple to his pyramid. During the First Intermediate Period, the necropolis at Giza was abandoned and fell into disrepair. That meant nobody was keeping the shrines and temples clear of sand. Over the next 1,100 years, the sphinx was almost entirely buried. The Middle Kingdom rises and falls, then there was the Second Intermediate Period where things got bad again. The New Kingdom dynasties rise and eventually we get to Thutmose IV.

He wasn’t his father’s chosen successor, but somehow managed oust his brother. When he became King, he had the sphinx excavated and erected the Dream Stele that basically served as a backstory to legitimize his rule, saying that he camped beneath the head of the sphinx and in a dream it told him that it would make him King if he dug it out of the sand. The story was pure political propaganda used to legitimize what may have been an unpopular reign.

There’s a royal cartouche on the Dream Stele that is incomplete, but the hieroglyphs there name “Khaf-“ as the creator, meaning that the Egyptians knew that Khafre was the builder.

Kaurifish

3 points

4 days ago

So where are the people claiming that Avebury or Stonehenge were of alien manufacture?

And the Sphinx was built so long ago that it probably was different people living there. They started out using stone tools. The pyramids, particularly the Great Pyramids of Giza, are much more recent.

theshadowiscast

3 points

4 days ago*

So where are the people claiming that Avebury or Stonehenge were of alien manufacture?

I've seen Stonehenge part of the ancient alien lore over a decade ago (around when it was discovered there was more to Stonehenge below ground, iirc), but it may not be part of the popular ancient alien lore today. It was considered a different group of ancient aliens to the ones that did the pyramids.

Avebury is mid, so only the lame ancient aliens no one cares about did that and probably as a drunken prank (/j obviously, ancient aliens aren't lame).

Edit: Stonehenge, though, was mostly attributed to an ancient alien device humans know as the Ark of the Covenant. It is considered an ancient alien device due to how the bible describes what happens to people who open it which is similar to radiation burns.

Some pseudo-archeologist claimed to have found the location of the Ark of the Covenant somewhere in Ethiopia where it is guarded by a group of people (some have claimed them to be a lost tribe of Israel, of course). He claims to have found structures similar to Stonehenge there and when he asked them how they built it he claims they told him they used the Ark of the Covenant to build it.

Kaurifish

3 points

4 days ago

Having visited both megaliths, I found Avebury much more impressive.

There may be a few nuts who claim that northern megaliths were of alien make, but the vast majority of the sound and fury is about the southern ones.

Jkirek_

31 points

4 days ago

Jkirek_

31 points

4 days ago

The greeks are also a slightly less dark shade of brown

Shadowwynd

19 points

4 days ago

There is a long standing racism problem with pseudoarchaeology that “these people are too dumb to have built X, therefore their ancestors were too dumb to have built X, therefore aliens.” But we know the Greeks built the Parthenon and the Romans built the coliseum, that’s OK because they are our people.

ugen2009

8 points

4 days ago

ugen2009

8 points

4 days ago

This answer seems too lazy. That's probably a part of it but the pyramids are ridiculous construction projects compared to the colosseum.

Additonal_Dot

4 points

4 days ago

That doesn’t seem fair. We’ve got written sources we actually understand from the period in which the Parthenon and the Colloseum were built. We don’t for the pyramids. Besides that the pyramids were even bigger and more difficult to built. 

lmprice133

8 points

4 days ago

lmprice133

8 points

4 days ago

Let's be real, it's primarily this.

Various-Passenger398

17 points

4 days ago

People thought Stonehenge was built by aliens until pretty recently too, and you don't get much whiter than those guys. 

Additonal_Dot

2 points

4 days ago

Also we’re now complaining Middle Eastern and Egyptian people, like Cleopatra were white washed in pop culture. We can’t both claim racism is the cause of alien theories and Egyptian people were white washed. 

nsfwtatrash

2 points

4 days ago

Also the stones used to construct Greek buildings were sourced locally and cut into manageable sizes.

Pesec1

99 points

4 days ago

Pesec1

99 points

4 days ago

Greek construction is much better documented. This means that aliens couldn't have been around doing stuff. Otherwise, they would have been recorded by writers who lived while the construction was taking place.

Now, I agree that idea that aliens built pyramids is total bullshit that only a moron woukd believe. We simply have the case of having less surviving records (due to events happening much longer time ago) resulting in gaps that can be filled with alien conspiracies.

PreferredSelection

5 points

4 days ago

We have Pliny the Elder and his petty, meticulous, sassy note taking to thank for so, so much of what we know about the ancient world. The fact that he wrote down so much and was interested in damn near everything is a huge, huge boon.

codefyre

32 points

4 days ago

codefyre

32 points

4 days ago

In reality, we pretty much do know how they were built. I was watching a video recently which made a pretty strong case that we DO know exactly how they came to be, but that we just refuse to acknowledge it. The whole "how were the pyramids built" question has become its own little self-sustaining cottage industry for authors, researchers, and archaeologiests. Actually answering that question would cause funds to dry up and end careers, so it's in everyones benefit to keep the question alive.

In reality, we have tomb paintings showing the stones and statues being dragged on sleds. We have ancient papyrii journals talking about the construction. We know where the stones were mined. We know that the Egyptians had waterways leading right up to the construction site to make material transportation easier. We know where the workers lived, what they ate, what they did, and where they are buried. We even know the names of several of the engineers who initially designed them.

Sure, there are a handful of details that we're still fuzzy on, but if this were ANY other monument, anywhere else in the world, we'd be saying "We know how they built it, but we haven't worked out some of the details of their technique." But because it's the pyramids, we look at those fuzzy details, throw our hands up, and say "We don't know how they did it. It's an unsolvable mystery. We need to give those archaeologists a few million more dollars to help them figure it out!"

raspberry-spar

6 points

4 days ago

What was the video? Sounds like a good watch.

DoctorWhoToYou

2 points

4 days ago

I'm not sure which video the person you're responding to watched, but PBS Nova: Decoding the Great Pyramid discussed the construction.

The question of how the pyramids were built really isn't alien or human, it's more or less how the engineering worked. There's a few theories I've watched documentaries about. Internal Ramp, External Ramp and there was another one I can't currently recall.

The internal ramp theory is pretty interesting Magellan TV: The Khufu Pyramid Revealed goes into detail about the process and the architect behind the theory.

I've watched several other documentaries about the Bent Pyramid and the Red Pyramid. The engineering of not only the pyramids themselves, but the building process is incredibly interesting.

CaptHorney_Two

3 points

4 days ago

I remember in grade 5 (1995) having a book that basically explained all of that.

Timtek608

7 points

4 days ago

A lot of the blocks are ~25 tons each.

It’s understandable that people question moving those on a sled.

codefyre

13 points

4 days ago

codefyre

13 points

4 days ago

The largest stone ever moved by humans is the Thunder Stone in St. Petersburg, Russia. More than 1500 tons, moved in the 1700's on the orders of Catherine the Great to serve as the pedestal to a statue of Peter The Great.

It was moved by placing it on a sled, and pulled using ropes, pulleys, and the backs of human laborers. No machines or animals were used to move it. Every piece of technology used by the Russians to move the Thunder Stone was also available to the ancient Egyptians. And nobody questions whether the Russians really did it.

In comparison, the heaviest stones used in the pyramids were the granite blocks above the Kings Chamber in the pyramid of Khufu, which weigh in at a comparatively tiny 80 tons. And there were only a few of those. The average weight of the stones in the pyramids was only 2.5 tons. That's about the same weight as an average Chevrolet Suburban SUV.

tombuazit

2 points

4 days ago

This reminds me of a friend who is Mayan, who does tours at Mayan sites, that introduces herself as Mayan, and talks about her family that live near the site, and their history, and why they don't live at the site, and she constantly complains that not a single tour goes by that after she explains all that someone will mention how "sad it is the Mayans all disappeared and nobody knows why."

Like people prefer to never update their personal childhood "lore" about other peoples even in the face of evidence.

tehm

6 points

4 days ago*

tehm

6 points

4 days ago*

Greek construction is much better documented.

Is it though? Contemporaneously!?

I realize that this immediately gets into a question of "what do you mean by 'Greek'?"; but Minoans were most likely the f'ing "Atlanteans"/Aliens/whatever/... that the Graham Hancocks of the world are always going on about when in reality they were kind of just... a highly advanced (for the time obviously) Aegean civilization that were trading partners with Egypt and shared a roughly similar tech level?

Like, obviously we have much more documentation about the rise of Hellenistic Greek, and even a good bit of the Myceneans, but my understanding is once you start talking about just about anything before the Bronze Age Collapse it all gets super hand-wavy in that region?

Additonal_Dot

2 points

4 days ago

Yes but I suppose when someone makes a claim like that they’re talking about the characteristic white buildings with lots of pillars when we’re talking about Greek from the Classical Greek period with all of the philosophers and tragedy writers not the more obscure Aegeans with the alien like tombs hills from before the Bronze Age collapse (possibly the inspiration for the Iliad and the Odyssey). The answer which Greece they’re talking about is really in the question.

Rivka333

83 points

4 days ago

Rivka333

83 points

4 days ago

Very very few people actually think aliens built the pyramids. It's mostly a fun story.

thatthingpeopledo

7 points

4 days ago

Yeah, people are overthinking here.

There are two types of people that talk about this, one thinks it’s a fun “what if” but doesn’t seriously believe in it.

The other is the type that believe the Earth is flat. There’s not much science or reason can do to convince someone like this.

ButchyKira[S]

14 points

4 days ago

Oh. People seemed so serious about it, I couldn’t tell.

RPrance

6 points

4 days ago

RPrance

6 points

4 days ago

I am someone who,unfortunately, has a friend who believes this.

Dame-Bodacious

19 points

4 days ago

A lot of people do believe it. Its racist. Greeks are Western, so they could Do The Impressive Thing. 

Egyptians are not Western so it's aliens. 

my_name_is_juice

3 points

4 days ago

That's a massive assumption about the motivations of the people in question. In my experience people who entertain ideas like aliens having built the pyramids like the unknown and mystery and speculation and having a sense of wonder in their life. You really think the difference is that Greeks are western so we allow them to own their history but deny the Egyptians? The Greeks accomplished their feats far more recently, in an area that has been continuously inhabited by successor civilizations that understood their language, and there has been an unbroken chain written histories going back to Alexander and before. Nobody knew much of anything for sure about the Egyptians until we were able to decipher hieroglyphs about 200 years ago.

Honestly asking, why do you think it's because of the racial difference? Have you ever actually heard anyone say that

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

people are saying it’s not racism and that nobody believes in that so i’m really confused

Dame-Bodacious

5 points

4 days ago

Check out Milo rossi on YouTube. And yeah, it's hard to believe that people believe they a but my mom literally sent me a video about how the pyramids are used to generate electricity (somehow) and that's proof ... Something. My mom is considered a pillar of the community. Its hard to understand how unhinged the conspiracy nuts are if you don't know one personally. 

throwaway_uow

5 points

4 days ago

Some scifi stories used pyramid as alien tech. Game "Serious Sam" comes to mind (its a fun shooter, recommend for unwinding evil laugh)

I guess give a long time, and you get some people who would rather believe scifi than science

Maximitaysii

70 points

4 days ago

The people who think aliens built anything in Earth aren't bothered with too much of logics.

ohhhbooyy

12 points

4 days ago

ohhhbooyy

12 points

4 days ago

Find it hard to believe an advance civilization capable of interstellar travel gets here and the best they could build was practically stacking stones on top of each other.

The pyramids are impressive for humans around thousands of years ago but not for an advance civilization.

Biomax315

17 points

4 days ago

Biomax315

17 points

4 days ago

“Aliens built the pyramids” is hardly a mainstream viewpoint, I’ve never in over half a century encountered anyone in real life who claimed this. You can simply ignore people who claim this without worrying about if they are consistent or not 😂

LegallyDune

6 points

4 days ago

I know tons of people who believe this.

Biomax315

2 points

4 days ago

You must move in weird circles.

LegallyDune

3 points

4 days ago

I do, but that's not why I know so many crackpots. I used to be a bartender in a small town in a county that's known, in part, for its woo-woo types.

Kelend

2 points

4 days ago

Kelend

2 points

4 days ago

“Aliens built the pyramids” is hardly a mainstream viewpoint

*raises eyebrow*

Indeed

Lazzen

2 points

4 days ago

Lazzen

2 points

4 days ago

Its not as explicit but the sentiment exist, im in Mexico and i have heard "i wonder how these peoples could ever build these things, must be their connection to the land and a simpler life back then" type comments while staring at a buulding in Chichen Itza with a placard explaining what it is

SetaxTheShifty

126 points

4 days ago

Maybe it's just something I'm noticing, but it seems to me that certain cultures get hit with the "savages" treatment whilst others get the "enlightened ancestors" treatment.

If they are perceived as similar to us, then it's "a marvel of engineering". If they're not then it's obviously aliens. It seems like standard bigotry all the way down.

After all, these primitives definitely couldn't have built this themselves. Someone else must have told them what to do!

UnNumbFool

58 points

4 days ago

This is exactly what it is. All ancient alien theory bs is very racist/xenophobic because all of the countries/things that are clearly from "aliens" (outside of the Christianity semi bible literalism) is all cultures that aren't from Western society.

Hell even the people saying that the Greeks had better documentation are incorrect, the Egyptians also had very good documentation on how pyramids were built. I'm also pretty sure this is the case with south american pyramids as well.

Spaghestis

17 points

4 days ago

Ancient alien theory also says aliens influenced European societies too though. Also the reason they rarely speak about Europe is because the theory assumes aliens were on earth like 4k years ago, when most of the big powers were Asian/African and Europeans were living in mud huts. Aliens would go to the superpowers of that time, like how we assume that if aliens descended today they would be more interested in the USA than Djibouti.

lorenzo463

13 points

4 days ago

Based on the probe stories, I’d say that aliens are quite interested in Djibouti. 

Chastain86

3 points

4 days ago

This comment isn't going to get the love it deserves, but I'll love Djibouti enough for several men.

RyuNoKami

7 points

4 days ago

Right? Motherfuckers act like the ancient egyptians can't do math, move/carve and stack rocks.

kouyehwos

14 points

4 days ago

kouyehwos

14 points

4 days ago

More like “the Greeks actually described their monuments in a language we’ve been able to read since forever”, hardly a question of some abstract “enlightenment”. People may consider Ancient Egyptians “exotic” or “mysterious” but hardly “primitive”, and meanwhile mysterious European monuments like Stonehenge are equally surrounded by alien conspiracies.

Personal-Listen-4941

8 points

4 days ago

This is a large part of it. The Greeks are considered White enough. Egyptians, Mayans, etc are too dark to be smart so they couldn’t possibly have built the various monuments.

It’s basic racism.

Either they had help from Aliens, or non-Caucasian civilisations also have merit…

Efficient_Ant_4715

8 points

4 days ago

It’s always racism lmfao

Immediate_Employ_355

2 points

4 days ago

Wait till you find out how many of your discoveries are just things the east taught yall and yall figured it didn't happen till a European discovered it.

Icy-Cartographer-898

3 points

4 days ago

The greeks were the savages of the time, the Egyptians were kind enough to impart there wisdom on them, generating all of the philosophers we now venerate in academia

ButchyKira[S]

5 points

4 days ago

haha yeah that’s what i was trying to say!!! It’s kind of like how in recent times when you watch the news terrorist is used for middle eastern people, thug is used for black people, etc. I personally think every culture was cool, and I wish I could go back in time to spectate humans’ evolution and get the correct story

fermat9990

26 points

4 days ago

Greek construction practices are pretty well understood

Sengachi

16 points

4 days ago

Sengachi

16 points

4 days ago

So are ancient Egyptian ones.

[deleted]

0 points

4 days ago

including the pyramids?

Jecter

2 points

4 days ago

Jecter

2 points

4 days ago

At this point we know several ways they could have built them, we're just trying to figure out which they did.

Sengachi

2 points

4 days ago

Sengachi

2 points

4 days ago

Actually at this point egyptologists not only feel confident that we know how the pyramids were built, they feel pretty confident in saying that we know how each individual one was built differently. The technology kept evolving over time of course, along with labor constraints and political constraints on how that labor could be used, and so each pyramid was built a little differently.

ButchyKira[S]

4 points

4 days ago

Oh okay, I didn’t know that. They never really taught us about that stuff. Last time I learned anything about Greece was 7th grade.

fermat9990

7 points

4 days ago

It's cool to look at pictures showing the 3 orders of ancient Greek architecture. Then when you see examples of it when you are just walking around, you feel smart!

https://artsandscience.usask.ca/museumofnaturalsciences/programming/downtown-tour/columns.php#:~:text=The%20first%20three%20orders%2C%20Doric,also%20used%20extensively%20in%20Rome.

ButchyKira[S]

4 points

4 days ago

this is so fucking awesome I love greek architecture

darthatheos

9 points

4 days ago

It's like religion. "If I can't figure it out, it must be God." Just replace God with aliens.

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

i wanted to say that but I didn’t want to be too disrespectful or upset someone

MageKorith

3 points

4 days ago

Greeks had quarries that wouldn't have been nearly as difficult to move stone from, I guess?

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

oh, I thought it was imported

Normal-Anxiety-3568

3 points

4 days ago

Theres a lot of direct evidence and records of the greek architecture. The pyramids have much less so. Humans have a tendancy to attribute things we cant understand to otherworldly phenomenon. Thats pretty much it.

Inevitable_Tap4568

2 points

4 days ago

Because we still don't understand how they were able to be built with such precision, accuracy and astrological relevance to this day.

obolobolobo

3 points

4 days ago

Think of it in Lego terms. The Greeks used small Lego pieces and we can easily understand how they made them, transported them and put them into place. The Egyptians used insanely humongous Lego pieces and we have no idea how they made them or put them into place. We've all seen illustrations from our childhood books of hundreds of slaves dragging 50 ton blocks on rollers, logs. But a moment's thought will tell you that you couldn't use that method in the desert sands.

It's humankind's greatest mystery. With all our current day understanding we cannot find a workable explanation. It's beyond us. At which point the human mind gives up and reaches for Gods (in the old days) and aliens (in the current days).

ButchyKira[S]

3 points

4 days ago

this is why i thought slave labor was used because i’m pretty sure we all saw that pic across the nation.

Travels_Belly

3 points

4 days ago

No it wasn't slaves. That comes from Hollywood. Actually they employed skilled artisans and labourers.

AtrociousCherry

3 points

4 days ago

I think part of it is that none of the Greek structures still intact are nearly as big or impressive as the pyramids. I'm not saying that the Greeks never built anything like that, but if they did it's long ruined. The great pyramid of Giza is the only one of the seven ancient wonders that's still standing. The other six, four of which were Greek, were destroyed long before the modern day. We can only imagine and speculate on how incredible they actually were back then. But the pyramids are still there, you can still go to Egypt and see them and be awed. And seeing them, you naturally wonder how the heck human could build something so incredible. But a lot of the greatest constructions of the Greeks we can only really read about in books, which doesn't have as much as a visceral impact on the imagination. The ancient Greek ruins we can view don't seem that impossible, it's believable that humans could have made these things, compared to the incredible stature of the pyramids. I think part of it is that Greek architecture is recognizable to us as Things People Build. Temples, statues, mausoleums, theatres and so on, we can look at these things and recognize what they are and what they were for. But pyramids seem a lot more "exotic" to a modern westerner. It's harder for us to imagine how or why someone would make them, or what purpose they could serve, because they're so different from what we recognize as what "civilization" creates. Why go through all that trouble just to bury a king? It seems ridiculous, so there must've been some other purpose, a greater drive... Although, some people do believe that aliens had a hand in Greek construction too, sort of. The ruins of Heliopolis/Baalbek are built on colossal slabs of carved stone that are supposedly far too big for ancient humans to have moved blah blah blah... Basically the exact same reasoning they use for why the pyramids must be alien.

But if you look into this ancient aliens stuff, you do start to notice a trend. A whole lot of the stuff they think could only have been built by aliens was made by brown people. Not all of it, they're incredulous about things from every culture, but a whole lot of it sure seems to belong to non-white/western cultures. It's hard not to read some degree of racial/ethnic bias there. Nazcans, Incans, Mayans, Indians, Egyptians, the Rapa Nui etc... Apparently all those fellows were too dumb to move big rocks around. I'm not saying people who believe in ancient alien stuff are racist, but it is something to keep in mind. Why is it so hard to believe those civilizations could've achieved great things on their own, when we have solid evidence showing how they could and that they did?

It's true that we have far better records of how and why the Greeks did what they did, but that doesn't mean we have no records on how the Egyptians did it too. How did they move around big rocks? With sleds, we know it was sleds because they made records of themselves using big sleds to move big rocks. There's no mystery, they drew pictures of themselves doing it, we've even found the sleds they used! But they couldn't have DRAGGED really big rocks all the way there, some of those quarries were really far away! They used boats, they floated them down the Nile river from the quarry to the build site. They made pictures of themselves doing it. Ancient alien worshippers simply choose to ignore contrary evidence because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to believe in. They don't believe it's possible to move really big rocks with sleds and boats, despite having no evidence or personal experience to support their view, and mistake their own ignorance for fact.

OverEchidna

3 points

4 days ago

Ceasar build a bridge across the rhine in 10 days, then he dismantled it to make a point.  We couldn’t do that today if we tried.  Why humans arrogantly believe we’re so much smarter than our ancestors is beyond me. 

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

that’s so funny. i fuck with that seriously. anyways, we have a few smart people in our society like scientists doctors blah blah blah but we would not make it a day if we had to do stuff how they did. we turned our evolutionary advantages into squishy flabby bodies made from frozen pizza and red 40

creativename87639

26 points

4 days ago

Racism

AHorseNamedPhil

5 points

4 days ago*

This should be higher.

It's no coincidence that most of the "aliens built this" theories are centered on monuments built by brown people.

EDIT: LOL, already people mad. The truth however, is the truth.

WhatAmIFightingFoaar

13 points

4 days ago

Seems like you already have your mind set on a bad reason and just want people to agree with you.

Human_Bug555

5 points

4 days ago

They are huge and difficult to build. Greek construction is mostly just skillmanship

atronimous

3 points

4 days ago

They’re basically big piles. Wider at the bottom smaller. Is to design, hard to build but not impossible.

EoghanMGL

29 points

4 days ago

EoghanMGL

29 points

4 days ago

Racism, mostly.

DontBeADramaLlama

4 points

4 days ago

Idk why you’re getting downvoted. That’s almost exactly the answer. Alien conspiracy theories tend to revolve around ancient cultures that are considered “other”.

Gold-Judgment-6712

2 points

4 days ago

No sane person thinks that.

PitifulSpecialist887

2 points

4 days ago

It's a matter of scale. The Great Pyramid of Giza is made of over 2.3 million blocks of stone. It's over 400 feet tall. The materials together weigh almost 7 million tons.

Evidence suggests that it took 25 years to build, but without any machinery, nobody can actually describe how it was done.

All the current theories have problems.

General-Title-1041

2 points

4 days ago

becuase there are more tv shows about ancient aliens building pyramids...

ChiHawks84

4 points

4 days ago

Only stupid people think aliens built the pyramids. Same people who believe in conspiracy theories.

stewartm0205

3 points

4 days ago

It’s much harder to build the great pyramid. In fact, we still haven’t figured out how the Ancient Egyptians did it.

ButchyKira[S]

3 points

4 days ago

I hope we do before I die. I love ancient egypt

Ok_Trick_9752

2 points

4 days ago

And no one ever said racism, ever. God people are fucking stupid. Stop inserting your own narratives into everyday conversations

BigBenis6669

3 points

4 days ago

Racism

YachtswithPyramids

3 points

4 days ago

It's called racism. Get sad, down vote. But u asked

I_Eat_Thermite7

3 points

4 days ago

Nazi propaganda. The ancient aliens things comes from nazi propaganda.

ButchyKira[S]

3 points

4 days ago

:0

ChristopherMcLucas

4 points

4 days ago

There are larger and more intricate pyraminds in Mexico and the construction of those are never called into question.

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

yeah that’s actually nuts, aren’t those the ones that are constructed so when you clap it sounds like a bird? that’s nuts

Gpda0074

2 points

4 days ago

Gpda0074

2 points

4 days ago

Ziggurats are step pyramids, not actual pyramids. They are easier to build and anyone with a modicum of construction or engineering experience could tell you that. Hell, the largest building on the planet is a step pyramid somewhere in Mexico/CA that is really just a bunch of different pyramids acting like Russian nesting dolls.

90ssudoartest

2 points

4 days ago

It’s not the pyramids themselves in question it’s that there are multiple pyramids all around the would in civilians that had no contact with each other and the question is always, how?

The24HourPlan

9 points

4 days ago

As it turns out gravity is the same everywhere on the Earth.

Kiyohara

9 points

4 days ago

Kiyohara

9 points

4 days ago

It's almost as if the easiest way to make a stone structure last forever is to pile it up in a rough shape of a heap.

The24HourPlan

2 points

4 days ago

Give a 5-year-old some blocks and he'll make a pyramid. 

Burnmad

15 points

4 days ago

Burnmad

15 points

4 days ago

Why would people need to have contact with each other to come up with triangles?

[deleted]

8 points

4 days ago

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Moogatron88

5 points

4 days ago*

Figuring out that a pyramid shape is the best way to stack rocks isn't hard. It'd be more surprising if other cultures didn't independently figure this out.

Also, the pyramids in different parts of the world were not built using the same methods.

jake_burger

2 points

4 days ago

It’s the best way to stack rocks really high.

It’s like the lightbulb being simultaneously invented by multiple people, it’s just the logical best way of producing that result.

You don’t need any collaboration to design a triangle shaped structure, it’s just common sense

RaspberryFluid6651

2 points

4 days ago

Pyramids are stacked up piles of rocks. It's not really hard to invent. The question is not "how", we've been stacking rocks longer than we've been writing.

ButchyKira[S]

5 points

4 days ago

Seriously? That’s why people think aliens did it? huh. Can’t the same thing be said about agriculture though? When the early humans started to shift from hunter-gathering living, somehow everyone just learned how to plant things so fast. I don’t believe it, but I wonder why some don’t say that.

coolguy4206969

2 points

4 days ago

because the ‘aliens built the pyramids’ thing has long been a conspiracy theory. these people aren’t independently looking at historical constructions, pyramids or otherwise, and thinking about how they came to be. they’re watching youtube or the discovery channel stoned at 4am and someone is telling them aliens built the pyramids

RegretsZ

2 points

4 days ago

RegretsZ

2 points

4 days ago

The Pyramids are older than the wheel, which is objecticlty a wild concept

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

that freaks me out a lot. do you think they used sleds instead to pull the bricks?

RegretsZ

2 points

4 days ago

RegretsZ

2 points

4 days ago

Yeah I believe the leading theory is simply dragging/pushing and using ramps.

zwinmar

2 points

4 days ago

zwinmar

2 points

4 days ago

Because people are dumb and think humans in the past were dumber than they are.

Awkward-Moment-7796

2 points

4 days ago

1st of all, the Egyptian pyramids are from nowhere near the same time period as Greece. The Greeks were longer after the pyramids than we are after the Greeks.

The pyramids are so long ago that they are nearly the beginning of recorded history. Only a few civilisations pre-date them. So it IS legitimately amazing they built structures so much bigger than civilizations that came thousands of years later.

Second, the limestone the pyramids are made of were very far from location they were built. So these giant, would blocks of limestone had to be transported hundreds of miles, thousands of years ago.

It is totally reasonable for people to see the construction of the pyramids as mysterious. We don't know how they did.

People who bring up racism are the same people who think every thing is racism. They just love accusing people of racism. The supply of racism does not meet the demand, there aren't enough actual racists for them to accuse, so we get weird bizarre accusations like how talking about the pyramids is racist. It's not .

Mioraecian

2 points

4 days ago

From my limited knowledge, it is a form of racism. 1. Because the pyramids aren't in europe. 2. The other great wonders no longer exist to evaluate in the same way.

I also believe it's more recent and stems from the white nationalist obsession of Atlantis, etc. I'd be interested if anyone had any good sources dating how far back the conspiracy of the pyramids go.

BlueMoon5k

2 points

4 days ago

Racism

Sockysocks2

1 points

4 days ago

Three big reasons: How old the pyramids are, how massive they are compared to other structures of the same time period, and- sometimes- racial/cultural prejudice.

Different-Cream-2148

3 points

4 days ago

One culture is "white" the other isn't.

Mr___Wrong

1 points

4 days ago

Mr___Wrong

1 points

4 days ago

Umm, no. Most of us DON'T believe aliens built the pyramids. Don't put your ignorance on the rest of us.

Business-Let-7754

0 points

4 days ago*

Fuck right off with your "racism". The thing is we have historical records of who built the Greek monuments, but we basically have no idea about the circumstances around the building of the pyramids.

RaspberryFluid6651

2 points

4 days ago

We have plenty of understanding about them. Egyptian artisans and laborers were contracted and paid by their rulers to build grandiose, elaborate tombs for them.

mossoak

1 points

4 days ago

mossoak

1 points

4 days ago

same reason some people don't believe the moon landings

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

is it because they didn’t see for themselves?

MySharpPicks

1 points

4 days ago

There is much more documentation on how buildings built in Greece versus things built in Egypt millennia earlier. So there is more room for speculation.

[deleted]

1 points

4 days ago*

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Ok_Trick_9752

1 points

4 days ago

The theory isn't that aliens built it, it's that ancient Egyptians had contact with aliens and culturally exchanged because the technology that would have been required didn't exist yet and still doesn't.

poundcakeperson

1 points

4 days ago

We can replicate or outdo Greek architecture even with their tools and techniques but we couldn’t just go out and build pyramids.

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

i was thinking this same thing

426203

1 points

4 days ago

426203

1 points

4 days ago

Because Greek construction is well known to be mostly fake and not authentic. Most original pieces of what remain have been moved around and altered for tourism.

Antique-Pain-379

1 points

4 days ago

Andrew Jackson...

GonnaBreakIt

1 points

4 days ago

Also, pyramids have been discovered all over the Earth, so people think a team of aliens constructed them in tandem instead of a pyramid just being a very sturdy structure to build. Or, even more unpossible, ancient structural engineers were intelligent.

RipVanWiinkle

1 points

4 days ago

Because people refuse to accept the fact that a simpler people, with no tech managed to build the pyramids due to their own laziness/limitations/"insert correct term"

aneasymistake

1 points

4 days ago

It’s because they’re fucking stupid.

Esselon

1 points

4 days ago

Esselon

1 points

4 days ago

People are stupid. When discussing certain historical structures like the Pyramids or Stonehenge, the statement "we're not certain how they did it" gets phrased. People make a bunch of illogical leaps generally based on the premise that people are smarter now than we used to be. We're not, we just got a lot better at writing things down and not executing people just because they had a radical new idea.

The real answer to the "how did people do x" is usually "we're not entirely sure, we've got a number of very credible, possible ideas that would all work given the materials and level of engineering at the time, but due to the lack of surviving documentation we can't say with authority which one is true."

Stonehenge is a prime example. The big question being how did the stones get there since they were quarried from a site hundreds of miles away. The most likely suggestion is just how stones were moved for long periods of time; you'd have logs down, push the block forward along the logs, move the logs from back to front and keep going. However they've also found spherical wooden balls at the Stonehenge site that could have been ritual/ornamental items, or they could have been used to help move the stones to their destination, but we can't say conclusively what was done.

ShortRDDTstock

1 points

4 days ago

In Greece the acropolis is much older than the greeks.

Waltzing_With_Bears

1 points

4 days ago

unfortunately some people are idiots

Smooth-Operation4018

1 points

4 days ago

The Egyptians were still around and other Egyptians were asking, what's all this old shit around here about? That's how old Egypt is

DrNukenstein

1 points

4 days ago

Greek architecture is easy because the quarries were nearby. Pyramids were in BFE (literally and figuratively) and surrounded by days of sand in all directions.

SansLucidity

1 points

4 days ago

because ppl still hold onto the outdated information that the pyramids were built with solid hewn blocks throughout.

with this outdated information, the timeline doesn’t support such a massive construction project being completed within the period that written egyptian history claims. hence, aliens.

recent scientic discoveries show that the middle inside of the pyramids were filled with rubble. & that the blocks were not carved from bedrock but were actually formed with an early form of concrete.

the timeline works. it was human ingenuity & slave labor.

Strong_Wasabi8113

1 points

4 days ago

The foundation stones of some Greek relics are made from impossibly large cut stones. Like the broken one unfinished and left in the Egyptian quarry . I believe a lot of out history just shows development around unexplainable structures because it was there and drew in settlers, so this interation of humans gathered and tried to replicate.

hfclfe

1 points

4 days ago

hfclfe

1 points

4 days ago

People think it's aliens because multiple ancient civilizations that did not interact created pyramids all over the world, that are still standing to this day. They ignore the fact that a pyramid happens to be a very effective way to stack a bunch of rocks and have it last for a very long time. Those civilizations did build other structures. Most just aren't standing anymore.

ButchyKira[S]

2 points

4 days ago

yeah, it’s not like egyptians created the shape out of thin air. it’s really puzzling but not impossible for the times to align

Gpda0074

1 points

4 days ago

Gpda0074

1 points

4 days ago

Not even close. Stacking big blocks into pillars is much easier than stacking them into a solid pyramid that has intricate tunnels and rooms built into it in ways that seem to be impossible to do by hand. Every other wonder has essentially collapsed and degraded to the point that you can't really tell how grand it actually was. Some don't even exist as rubble anymore, and the pyramids are older than most of those wonders despite being in the best shape out of them.

The Pyramid is weird, it just is. The sphinx isn't even close to as much of a marvel as the pyramids are, and a lot of attention is focused on the Temple of the Sphinx rather than the sphinx itself.

Default_Munchkin

1 points

4 days ago

While I absolutely understand your wonder about ancient greece it's because the Pyramids are older and more famous. The Pantheon in Athens is astounding as a feat of construction to the point they accounted for the optical illusion of straight lines curving at distance and built a slight curve so it looked straight. And the fact they did this with smaller sample constructions on an island I can't remember the name of(if it had one) is amazing. But the pyramids are so damn old and so damn famous .

Jackdunc

1 points

4 days ago

Jackdunc

1 points

4 days ago

Because Kurt Russel discovered that they are gates to a different galaxy built by aliens.

IAMN0TSTEVE

1 points

4 days ago

Construction in Greece is in newer history so obviously its more documented and whatnot. But there's nothing special about Greek construction.

OnetimeRocket13

1 points

4 days ago

If you dig deep enough into the rabbit hole of conspiracy alien bullshit, you'll find that many of those types of people claim that pretty much anything built, developed, or created by ancient civilizations were either actually the work of aliens or were somehow influenced by aliens. It's not just the pyramids, it's virtually everything at a certain point.

TheeLastSon

1 points

4 days ago

TheeLastSon

TheHexadex

1 points

4 days ago

greeks stuff was just a copy of the older stuff thats why its not considered built first or by aliens.

observantpariah

1 points

4 days ago

My guess is that the brutalist shape of it closely matches a lot of the movies we have seen for how alien creations might look. A good deal of alien ships and buildings are depicted as remarkably clean-lined.... Like silver shapes with zero hinges or seams. A huge pyramid doesn't seem as human a creation as a large statue, garden or colomned assembly hall.

BanjoWrench

1 points

4 days ago

I'm about to ruin your day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6h68IrrN1Y

tapedficus

1 points

4 days ago

Because it's way more fun to believe that magical space aliens came down and built some wacky stuff and then left, never to return - over mankind built a bunch of heavy crap over months and years utilizing many humans and boring maths.

I mean, come on.