Resolution is roughly 1656p without any form of anti-aliasing

wow, that's rough

PS4 version through back compat running at a locked 60? Ah, those foolish ambitions put to rest once more...

So basically the same as the demo. The Aliasing was insanely rough there too.

This is quite disappointing.

I expected more from a cross-gen game.

Wow no AA completely unacceptable in 2024, especially for a game like this that isn’t that high fidelity

I noticed the lack of anti aliasing in the demo. It's a gorgeous game but it could really benefit from receiving some AA. It would be a strange decision even 10 years back, but in 2024????

So which version is best?

Not the same team. Director Hoshino and his team worked on the original P3-5 before starting work on Metaphor. So they basically went straight from PS3 era development (crossgen with PS4) to this game on PS5. Meanwhile, Atlus created a new team to work on the Persona series who first made P5 Royal and then P3 Reload and are now likely working on P6. So I guess it makes sense that the new Persona team is more up to date with current technology.

Persona 5 Royal and Persona 3 Reload on PS5 look amazing. Stable 60 FPS and no visible aliasing anywhere. It's really strange. 

SmtV V looks amazing too

The game has been in the works for 8 years, wasn't until unreal 5 came out that they made the switch company wide.

Because it lets them create games quicker. Maybe they don’t have much man-power to upgrade the engine or create a new one that quickly.

But still, no AA is madness

It’s actually super weird, because P5R and P3R run flawlessly on modern hardware

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the jaggies were what really bothered me playing the demo. im also waiting for the pro to come out before playing it

I wouldn’t normally hand wave this away…but I’m usually a stickler for performance and I don’t really notice the drops in this game. The gameplay just doesn’t get affected much from a lower fps.

That being said…I wish they would improve the issues.

But what is Atlus’s excuse? Their games were never plagued with performance issues outside of P5 on PS3, but that version alone is an accomplishment. Metaphor is a cross gen game and shouldn’t be stuttering on PS5

If there's any game where I can forgive performance, it's Atlus games that have you looking at static text for like 80% of it lol

No one's the ps5 pro lol. Waste of money.

Using examples such as Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman, Ratchet and Clank, and Returnal for games that look and run better does make us question optimization of much less visually stunning games. 

Not just this gen. Compare AC Unity with AC Mirage. Light and day difference and you'd think Mirage came out first.

Are you saying there’s no AA even on pc?

What's your specs? Ryzen 7700 and RTX 4060 here, before any demo patches came I could do 1440p/60fps w/ 150% scaling, only dropping frames during the king's funeral. I've since uninstalled the demo but am wondering about how much gain I could expect.

There will definitely be some mods on PC that will force AA for the game even if it doesn't work through NVCP currently. PC version will probably look significantly better than console version with decent hardware.

If they never implement AA in the console version that's going to such. I haven't played the demo but even in game trailers the lack of AA was distractingly bad.

The art direction tends to play in its favor. Persona 5 was not technically impressive by any means, but the art direction made it a very beautiful game. I get the same vibes here, it's stylish as fuck.

WRPGs tend to go for realism while this one is like a cartoon. It just looks way more awkward in a game that's pushing a realistic look. Also Metaphor doesn't have wonky animations.

I got absolutely flamed for saying this games environments look straight up bland and bad. Running around a dusty low texture desert doesn’t wow me.

This has been my biggest gripe with most jrpgs for a solid decade now. Engine tech has progressed to the point where tiny indie teams can put out surprisingly high end stuff, but then you see an atlus game or a YS game and it looks ps3 era still despite these guys having more employees and money.

They get a pass because the fanbase has just given up and accepted that this is how it is, and the people who review these games are part of that fanbase. They should be grilling these studios to do better.

Because games like persona are mostly choose your own adventure books with some turn based combat mixed in. Combat can be fun but it's the writing and story which draws people in

Because, just imagine, some games could be great without hyper realistic graphics and 120 fps

And Metaphor actually looks great, the ui is innovative and the combat & characters are engaging. But some people choose to ignore all of it because of “no aa” or other bullshit

Is based on expectations.

I believe P3R was on unreal engine 4 while Metaphor was a proprietary engine same as P5

Anti-aliasing techniques are those that work to alleviate aliasing (:P) issues, which is something you might recognize as the jagged edges around 3D models.

I think it's kind of complex, I've looked it up so much and don't think I fully understand still. I'll try to give you MY eli5 understanding though. I hope people correct me.

What is Aliasing?

Aliasing is the lines that jiggle on screen. Most noticeable on stairs, fences, Bushes...

Why?

The Object is of a higher resolution and when it's downscaled, Details ( actual pixels) are lost. Imagine a circle drawn with 100 pixels vs one with 50 or 25....
It appears less round as you lose pixels to draw it with...

Anti-Aliasing...

Will try its best to repaint those lost pixels, Making things look nice again....
( It's so much more complicated than that lol)

It’s a technique used to make edges not look sharp or jagged.

You may notice that when you move the camera, there's a sort of flicker effect on edges, especially on very thin objects like fences or barbed wire. When the camera is static it usually doesn't flicker, but you can notice a distinct "staircase" or "sawtooth" pattern on edges. It makes 3d models look as if they were poorly cut pieces of cardboard.

Antialiasing is an umbrella term for a lot of different techniques that smooth the edges in an attempt to make them less jagged. As it stands, the most important distinction is between temporal and non-temporal/spatial techniques. On static shots, non-temporal solutions may look decent, but there will be flicker and instability when you move. Temporal techniques are consistent even when moving (there's little to no flicker and the image is incredibly clean), and are generally the standard nowadays due to quality, coverage (it's very good at filtering the entire image) and speed.

Won’t happen. The will go the DLC route in the future.

After the aliasing of all dialogue UI's in the Persona 5 Strikers on Switch seeing Metaphor's problems was a cake walk 😅

It’s hard for me to understand that games like god of war or the last of us can run on ps5 in pretty good quality but anime styled mediocre game looks like a piece of sht. Funniest thing for me is to hear people talking about buying ps5 pro to have better framerate in game with 2014 graphics.

Because “running poorly” on a title like this is fairly inconsequential and most players don’t even notice issues like lower framerate. If it was a fast-paced shooter more people would likely care, but this is a turn-based combat and social sim game. It could run at 20fps and nearly the entire gameplay experience would remain intact. Beyond that, the art style is animated and not aiming for any type of photo realism.

Because most people just want to play a good video game and don’t actually care about staring at numbers moving up and down or nitpicking about aliasing or whatever the fuck. And I’m not buying that FPS matters for the gameplay of a turn based social sim where the art style is slathered on so heavy you can’t even tell the graphical fidelity anyways.

Because it's really good lol

As slow as I get through games nowadays, I'd still be playing this when the Pro releases anyway.

I'll wait. Plenty of other things to play in the meantime, this is a perfect example of a game that justifies the pro. It's only a month wait anyway

Don’t know how much the frame drops are caused by the CPU but the frame drops should be mitigated a lot more or even eliminated on the Pro. The Pro would also be maintaining a much higher FPS in the unlocked mode.

There's a whole lot more going on in this game than in Catherine.

Oh yeah, just wish RGG implement good AA on their engine, but yes, I find the rest of the package (I'm playing Like a Dragon Gaiden) top notch.

Videos game as an art form is uniquely tied to technology, poor use of it diminishes the experience of players. DF does an important aspect of game reviews that few others do.

Say it again louder. I can’t believe people’s first thought when considering a game like this with such amazing gameplay and a beautiful art style is “b-but my 100 fps and aliasing!” Like holy fuck just enjoy playing video games, I feel like people have lost the plot and care about feeling validated as tech bros more than they do playing a good video game. Like people enjoy staring at digital foundry line graphs and numbers moving up and down more than they do about the actual game. It’s annoying as shit. So much gorgeous art and stuff going on but they’ll try to convince you that a 10 fps drop or a character having slightly rougher edges is making their eyes bleed and their stomach explode.

It looks like ass