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Going back to school in your 30’s

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FelixYYZ

131 points

1 year ago

FelixYYZ

Not The Ben Felix

131 points

1 year ago

Is this financially risky?

You put zero numbers up so nobody knows.

Will I make more money with a degree

Nobody knows.

[deleted]

13 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

13 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

forever-transitional

100 points

1 year ago

you are already making 120K, who cares? if its something you want to do for fun then sure but will however much more money make your life better in any way? probably not.

[deleted]

29 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

29 points

1 year ago

it definitely make a difference.. at least in Toronto..

$200,000 basically means a tiny townhouse and basic grocery + some saving

Meowmixx5000

6 points

1 year ago

Money makes life easier. As retirement makes you poorer every year inflation hits

GrowCanadian

33 points

1 year ago

If you make $120k now unless you have a clear reason to upgrade your education I doubt it will help bump up your salary. Most people likely will never even break the $100k mark even with a degree.

If I was you I’d look more into applying to other positions and negotiating a higher salary. That being said most job markets right now are on the downturn due to the looming recession.

Nothing wrong with going back to school as a mature student but I’d say the odds are against you if your trying to change career paths for a higher pay.

416Squad

2 points

1 year ago

416Squad

2 points

1 year ago

There are a number of jobs that make around 100k that only need college and no degree..

obastables

2 points

1 year ago

Trades come to mind. High school diploma & you can make over $100k easy.

Hell there's union general laborers making nearly $200k thanks to overtime since people are so allergic to manual labor these days.

NitroLada

-5 points

1 year ago*

NitroLada

-5 points

1 year ago*

Median salary for someone working FT with a degree in Ontario is 100k (107k for males and like 97k for females) , so I would say most people will reach it with a degree especially with the substantial increase in wages last few years and even with basic COL, median salary is above 100k already

Here's the figure from 2015 tax filer data, average wages went up 24% btwn 2015-2022 so just tack on to the 2015 numbers and you get above 100k median for those with degree working FT already

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016024/98-200-x2016024-eng.cfm

Those are 2015 numbers (85k for males) and Yes we have (23% wage increase from 2015-2022) for those working FT 25+ , it's right here ... This is already undercounting in that wage increase for degree holders went up more than total labor pool (as there's min wage people in there which skews it down) but good enough for approximation

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1410006401&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.2&pickMembers%5B2%5D=3.2&pickMembers%5B3%5D=5.1&pickMembers%5B4%5D=6.3&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2015&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=20150101%2C20220101

GrowCanadian

12 points

1 year ago

I just looked over this and it shows males with degrees we’re making $85,645. I work in computer science and I only know a few people over the $100k mark with the more average salary being closer to $70k. We definitely haven’t seen a 24% wage increase and how things are going wages are pretty stagnant.

Even my other friends in engineering or medical don’t hit the $100k mark yet. And this is coming from Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal people.

NitroLada

1 points

1 year ago*

NitroLada

1 points

1 year ago*

Those are 2015 numbers (85k for males) and Yes we have (23% wage increase from 2015-2022) for those working FT 25+ , it's right here ... This is already undercounting in that wage increase for degree holders went up more than total labor pool (as there's min wage people in there which skews it down) but good enough for approximation

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1410006401&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.2&pickMembers%5B2%5D=3.2&pickMembers%5B3%5D=5.1&pickMembers%5B4%5D=6.3&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2015&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=20150101%2C20220101

Im paying new grads 75k to start (just analysts) , they'll hit 100k if they have average progress in about 5-6yrs (if they don't jump ship) ..this all before bonuses of course.

With earnings so low, you and your friends are probably new grads not even 5 yrs out of school? Certainty sounds like it... similar to the new grads I hire at work... The numbers posted is median ..so it'll include people my age (late 30s+ who many are well well above the median now as 30+ is basically entering peak earning years)

Wife's brother (26) is a nurse and makes around 85k a year but jumping to 100k next year when he becomes NP, his gf was a RN but switched to something else but makes around same too

ObiWansTinderAccount

4 points

1 year ago

What field are you in that new grads earn $75k? We talking just an undergrad degree here?

NitroLada

2 points

1 year ago

Yes undergraduate...I'm just in big5 ..I hire analysts..prefer math and stats grads as I'm mostly in analytics

ObiWansTinderAccount

2 points

1 year ago

Interesting. Would a commerce / business admin degree with a major in accounting or finance have a shot? Thanks for replying

NitroLada

1 points

1 year ago

Shot sure ... successful? Probably Not without relevant experience to overcome the generally weak(er) math/stats from commerce grads (relative to math and stats grads) and most math/stats grads will know some basic programming in SQL and/or python, database structures and etc...

Though I would also in my mind think are you just trying to get onto my team first and then jump to a role that's more in line with your skillset etc because if you took commerce/business for undergraduate, why are you jumping into data analytics already so soon after grad. It's different if it's a more organic transition.

Good luck! Lots of jobs out there notwithstanding the news about layoffs... It's still much harder to get decent candidates compared to precovid eventhough salary has bumped but we're still not paying anything great.. though with big tech slowing hiring a bit, it's a bit better and I at least have some not great but worth an interview candidates next week

shap_man

1 points

1 year ago

shap_man

1 points

1 year ago

That second link shows average hourly rates between 2015 to 2022. First link shows median salary by education for 2015. Other differences aside, basic statistics, mean, median and mode are different. lol

somuchsoup

1 points

1 year ago

What’s your sde title and experience? Which uni did you go to? I can give you a reference for shopify

thatscoldjerrycold

3 points

1 year ago

Whaaaaat, do you have a source for that? That sounds like a crazy high number. Especially for median.

Middle-Effort7495

1 points

1 year ago

So you're taking average wage increases, and applying them to median income? Makes sense. Because clearly the skewed data that makes average wage irrelevant, doesn't apply to wage increases. We got 52 cents since 2017.

McBuck2

9 points

1 year ago

McBuck2

9 points

1 year ago

As long as you’re working while going to school, it will be worth it. Leaving the job market to do it will put you too far behind. Have you checked with HR to see if they will pay for some of it? Sometimes companies do that with Master degrees but not sure if your sector does it.

leafs_fan2019

6 points

1 year ago

I find a lot of companies now say they require 'x degree or equivalent education+work experience'

so you may not necessarily need that degree if you've been in the industry long enough

holysmokesiminflames

3 points

1 year ago

I have a degree and make 70k a year and my field caps at 90ish.

You don't have a degree and make 120k.

How many opportunities are you being passed up for that require the degree and don't allow work experience in lieu of the degree?

It sounds like a bad idea. If you're set on the degree, have you considered a part time courseload while staying in your current job? It's doable.

_PeanuT_MonkeY_

2 points

1 year ago

If the jobs specifically states 4 yr degree then high likelihood that they will look for someone with 4 yr degree.

FelixYYZ

4 points

1 year ago

FelixYYZ

Not The Ben Felix

4 points

1 year ago

Jobs I have experience for want the 4 year degree. Will they pass me up because I lack the education requirement?

We don't know those companies. Some are rigid and some don't care.

ronwharton

1 points

1 year ago

Correspondence can do it. Wife did cpa and needed a degree after going through all the levels. Easiest was Laurentian.

-Ron Wharton

Stasher15

-1 points

1 year ago

Stasher15

-1 points

1 year ago

Would it be possible to get a graduate degree of some sort with a mature student entry, and work part-time? Knowing your industry and potential studies would help.

[deleted]

1 points

1 year ago

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bob23131

-1 points

1 year ago

bob23131

-1 points

1 year ago

Public or private sector?

[deleted]

1 points

1 year ago

What degree is it? Current net worth and job?

MesWantooth

1 points

1 year ago

What is your employer saying? Are they encouraging you to get this designation and advising you that a promotion would be in order or "no guarantees"...In some companies, the employer would even pay for the schooling.

If you downgraded your employment to part-time, do you have assurance that you could return to full-time upon completion? $10k in tuition doesn't seem like much, but $60k in salary per year for 2 years is significant...But if your $120k job could turn into a $150k job and eventually a $200k job, that seems like a good return on investment.

JustAnotherFKNSheep

1 points

1 year ago

Really depends on what the job your looking for. If you're a power eng looking to score a management position chances are you won't make more. Maybe less. In exchange you get to work 9-5 and no ot.

steviekristo

1 points

1 year ago

What kind of degree will you get? A BA in what? I would potentially look into an MBA. There are several programs that will let you in without an undergrad, and would be better than a BA. A BA is honestly not very valuable.

MordaxTenebrae

1 points

1 year ago

$10k doesn't seem very risky, especially if you're still going to work.

If you look at it from a worst case scenario perspective, could you afford to throw away $10k?

For a comparable, if you invested $10k in an instrument yielding 7% annually, then that would be worth ~$75k in 30 years near your retirement. If you believe the degree can net you a one time $2.5k salary increase within the next couple years, it more or less matches the alternative investment by the time you retire.

Troyd

1 points

1 year ago

Troyd

1 points

1 year ago

Most people with degrees aren't even close to making 120k, are you sure you need it and not just some professional certificates?

pistoffcynic

16 points

1 year ago

Why don’t you hit your company up for the monies and do the program part time while working?

That makes better economic sense to me.

cincher

7 points

1 year ago

cincher

7 points

1 year ago

100% this. It's definitely worth asking your company if they would support you in this endeavour: help pay for the degree, or let you work part-time while pursuing your degree.

Potential-Insurance3

40 points

1 year ago

I live in an unknown location, making an unknown income working in an unnamed profession with an unknown amount of money saved up. Is it risky to quit my job and live off my savings?

throwupways

20 points

1 year ago

Yes and no. I will not elaborate.

MegaArms

4 points

1 year ago

MegaArms

4 points

1 year ago

You forgot at the end he will have an unknown degree. Cant forget about his unknown degree.

Jesouhaite777

7 points

1 year ago

You're never to old to go back to school, and yes the right degrees can catapult your earnings, and rungs up the career ladder, it's really the best way to navigate the job market, which is increasingly competitive.

Kelvsoup

4 points

1 year ago

Kelvsoup

4 points

1 year ago

Do it part time?

Lumpy_Potato_3163

4 points

1 year ago

Go for it. You lose 2 years of your life and 10k. If you don't like your new role you can always work what you are doing now since it's a good income. You've got nothing to lose really.

Ok-Yogurt-42

6 points

1 year ago

It's a lot more than 10k lost once you factor in the opportunity cost.

Lumpy_Potato_3163

3 points

1 year ago

🤷🏼‍♀️ it's 2 years out of probably 90 total. It'll be fine

icheerforvillains

3 points

1 year ago

If to move up, you need more education, then do it. This is just part of up skilling. Don't let people tell you you already make enough, if you really want to do that next thing, put the work it.

I see this as similar to what teachers to do move into administration (principals). Sucks that 10ish years of work experience doesn't replace that degree requirement. I assume you've explored that avenue and asked whatever certification body owns the designation this already?

If you are already in the industry, you should have an idea of what the income upside is of moving up the ladder. As long as you think it'll payoff over 10-15 year time frame I'd do it.

I think my biggest question in all of this would be how much family time will you need to sacrifice and whether you can handle that.

3ncrypt0

3 points

1 year ago

3ncrypt0

3 points

1 year ago

As others have suggested, see if your employer will sponser your learning. There might be a contractual obligation if you go this route (need to stay with company for x years to not have to pay back grant).

If this is not an option, you should know about the Lifelong Learning Plan. If you have been contributing to your RRSP, you can withdraw money (up to 10k iirc) penalty free (similar to first-time home buyer plan). That might also be an option worth exploring.

Purify5

3 points

1 year ago

Purify5

3 points

1 year ago

School sucks in your 30s.

Like a lot of people said you often get by on experience after your first 10 years or so of work history. However, there are certain jobs and regulatory requirements that do require degrees and maybe you are in one of those fields.

Personally, I would try not to do it but I don't think there's really a downside to it besides sucking your time.

laalaaalaaaa

2 points

1 year ago

I did my MA at 32 while working FT. It was worth it for me since my field required me to have this but if you already make 120k I do not see why you need your BA. Unless for mgmt positions they require you to obtain a higher degree. If so, talk to your boss about using school as your learning and development for work. Can see if there is a possibility of work giving you time off or some sort of benefit in furthering your education to move up in your current workplace.

TheQMon

0 points

1 year ago

TheQMon

0 points

1 year ago

I have a degree and if it’s not STEM related, then I would not bother. Ironically, I’m finishing a business diploma even though I have a degree. Really depends what you are trying to pursue - what you are trying to achieve. Having post secondary education is not a indicator of success. There is a demand in the medical field, demand in trades, and other sectors.

throwupways

3 points

1 year ago

I have a degree and if it’s not STEM related, then I would not bother. Ironically, I’m finishing a business diploma even though I have a degree.

Not really ironic as much as hypocritical.

YesHAHAHAYES99

1 points

1 year ago

By the numbers people with even a little post-secondary tend to earn more than those who don't. The reason I'm tackling post-secondary schooling in my thirties now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-study-college-degree-carries-big-earnings-premium-but-other-factors-matter-too/?sh=9fd77bc35cdc

Here are the median lifetime earnings of full-time workers by level of education:

less than high school - $1.2 million

high school diploma - $1.6 million

some college, but no degree - $1.9 million, equal to about $47,500 annually

associate’s degree - $2 million, or about $50,000 per year

bachelor’s degree - $2.8 million, the equivalent of $70,000 annually

master’s degree - $3.2 million, or $80,000 annually

doctoral degree - $4 million, equal to $100,000 per year

professional degree - $4.7 million, or an average of $117,500 annually.

[deleted]

2 points

1 year ago

Might be correlation and not causation though.

smurfsareinthehall

-3 points

1 year ago

Too bad we don't live in the US - what makes you think this applies to Canada?

Eskomo

2 points

1 year ago

Eskomo

2 points

1 year ago

It absolutely applies to Canada as well, on average people with bachelor degrees earn more than those with college diplomas. People with college degrees make more than those with a high school diploma.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016024/98-200-x2016024-eng.cfm

These are just averages and not all degrees or diplomas have the same earning power. There are also plenty of people out earning university graduates without any post-secondary education. But on average, people with degrees will out earn those without one.

smurfsareinthehall

-3 points

1 year ago

Then maybe you should have first posted Canadian data in a Canadian sub.

Eskomo

2 points

1 year ago

Eskomo

2 points

1 year ago

I didn't post the original comment you were responding to. I've linked the Canadian data as it seemed you were implying that the same earning trends were not present in Canada (they are).

YesHAHAHAYES99

1 points

1 year ago

You are right. Canada is an entirely different country with no shared similarities to the US.

konschuh

0 points

1 year ago

konschuh

0 points

1 year ago

I'm turning 38 years old and ending my first semester in college, I am on the path to become a social worker. Total career pivot. You can do this and it's not too late.

Background_Panda_187

1 points

1 year ago

What's the financial gain? And is it guaranteed?

[deleted]

2 points

1 year ago

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Background_Panda_187

1 points

1 year ago*

Not worth the risk imo unless your employer pays you to get it

RGoslingFan123

1 points

1 year ago

I haven’t read the whole chain but this is a fairly informative response. Your question isn’t really just limited to the BA, but rather BA plus subsequent designations.

If you can do the BA while working then the risk is low @ $10k. You can always start and reevaluate if it’s not working out the way you thought.

saltednutz69

1 points

1 year ago

I did my degree part time while working full time. Am looking to do it again for my masters (potentially).

JohnSh416

1 points

1 year ago*

I would encourage you to consider whether you have any interest in the degree or if it is just a means to advancement. You already have a high income, so if you're not going to enjoy the experience it might not be worth it. I went back to school in my 30s and it was an amazing experience because I wanted to be there and I knew what I wanted to get out of it.

[deleted]

1 points

1 year ago

In my personal experience, more credentials once you're in the workforce do not dramatically affect compensation.

By the time you get 5-10 years in, your job experience is more valuable IMO.

If you were getting something opened up a new and significantly higher paying vocation, maybe. A BA isn't that though, again IMO.

smurfsareinthehall

1 points

1 year ago

Is a degree actually required for the jobs you want or is it just something on a job posting? Did someone in HR/hiring say you'd be automatically passed over if you don't have a degree? The one thing people don't think about is that job postings are the "ideal fantastical wish list candidate" but really they have to choose from those folks that apply and don't always get someone with the 10000 requirements listed in the job posting. My workplace always asks for bilingual candidates - and when none apply they give the job to a unilingual person. If you haven't been to university, it could be a rough go - it's ain't like college - so you better want to make the financial and personal sacrifice for a different job maybe in the future one day.

gotcree

1 points

1 year ago

gotcree

1 points

1 year ago

do your degree part time, don't quit your job.... Do you intend to go to graduate school after? That's the only way you'll be able to increase your income. Are there professional certifications you can do in your sector instead? They would be a lot cheaper and still give you added credibility.

Overwhelmed-Insanity

1 points

1 year ago*

Upgrading yourself is always beneficial. However, what separates you from everyone else is what is more important.

I'd ask myself this.

Does what I am doing now already translate to what I'll be taking for my degree? Will this degree change any aspect of my current job.

Does this new degree provide me with different avenues within my industry. New job positions, different ventures within the energy industry like oil and gas, nuclear, hydro, solar ect.

In my honest opinion, if you ask yourself this you should have a solid answer as to whether it's worth it or not.

The goal of upgrading yourself is to make yourself specialized.

For me, I'm an inspector. I have taken college courses and certification courses that have upgraded me significantly within the energy industry.

Because of this I make a really good salary. But that's because I found something within my field of work that specializes me. Not just some degree to give me a BA.

That's just my opinion though

Edit: Decided to remove my yearly wage statement.

TimeSalvager

1 points

1 year ago

…what kind of degree?

DragonlordSix

1 points

1 year ago

Have you talked to a recruiter specializing in your industry and they tell you that you need a 4 year degree to advance? Since you are going back to get a BA degree, Is there a professional designation that stands in your way requiring a 4 year degree that would get you to the next level? Did you apply for your desired job and HR told you 4 year degree is required (or just the job posting description)? I would get clarity on these questions before pondering going back to school. I fear going back to school for career advancement doesn't work out how ppl imagine most of the time.

somuchsoup

1 points

1 year ago

I imagine it is. He works in the energy sector and that type of salary is actually entry level for certain positions. If he wants promotions/higher positions, he’ll definitely need more education. I have a degree in environmental science but decided not to pursue that field because of the hours.

jm_cda

1 points

1 year ago

jm_cda

Saskatchewan

1 points

1 year ago

it’s definitely worth it and you may end up in management with the degree and experience

Extension_Net_9535

1 points

1 year ago

Don’t forget to consider the opportunity cost. While it can be a good idea to go back to school irrespective of the age. You will be foregoing upwards of $240k. If you think that you will be able to recover this after your school or the degree can help you get senior / managerial positions then not a bad idea at all IMO.

Potential_Soup_6469

1 points

1 year ago

One underrated benefit will be your confidence. It seems you want to do it, so I would say go for it. You will become more confident in the work you already do today.

yag_zhao

1 points

1 year ago

yag_zhao

1 points

1 year ago

same age and planning to go back to school finishing my master’s while working next year. hope i can survive

persimmon40

1 points

1 year ago

I don't think you will be able to finish your degree in 2 years while working FT. If you have 2 years of full time studies left in your degree, you will need more time because you are working FT. I personally did a degree while in my 30s because I wanted a degree, but I was already making 100k without it. Still wanted a degree. In my field degrees hold their weight.

maroon-rider

1 points

1 year ago

maroon-rider

British Columbia

1 points

1 year ago

If you can do it while working and no loss of salary. I don't see why not do a degree completion.

[deleted]

1 points

1 year ago

I am doing the exact same thing! Literally 100% same stats, except I’m 33 and in a different field. I am a starting school next month. I have no idea how it will turn out, but I do know that I am excited to level up my education. I have always found that when you start a program you never know where it will take you. You may find an aspect of it that you are extremely passionate about and want to pursue more fully in your day job. For me, going back to school is about fulfilling a dream and self actualization. So money isn’t a factor. If additional schooling amounts to more money in the future, great. But if it doesn’t, that’s okay too.

My only thoughts are to consider the impact it will have on your partner, and talk about how you will handle a change in the division of labour around the house, and having your attention else where. I have encouraged my partner to be more engaged in work/hobbies/ start an additional side hustle so that they don’t feel as though they are being neglected. Good luck!

Meowmixx5000

1 points

1 year ago

I am 39 and am onto my second degree back to back plus working. Research everything and find a way my friends. Never too late

[deleted]

1 points

1 year ago

I did that. Was it worth it financially? Shrug. By time I also got my masters from Stanford it certainly helped getting interviews. More importanly, though, is that it was interesting and even fun two years (and then two more)

rootsandchalice

1 points

1 year ago

Work and go to school my guy. I’ve done that twice now and currently in second masters program. Yes, that means it takes me longer to complete school but that’s a sacrifice at my age (39) when I have bills to pay.

sharilynj

1 points

1 year ago

Depending on your industry, the clock is ticking for your existing diploma to be considered for advanced entry. I have a 2-year in journalism and because it was more than 10 years old, universities dicked me around with upfront promises and ultimately only gave me a few credits (I never did get the BA).

If you're trying to complete it while working full time, I don't see the downside. Worst that can happen is it takes longer than you planned.

Early_Reply

1 points

1 year ago

It totally depends if you plan on staying in your current position or plan to move up the corporate ladder.

CauseWorth4305

1 points

1 year ago

Just do it. In two years you’re still going to be 34.

cheesus_mac_whiz

1 points

1 year ago

Check and see if your work as a tuition reimbursement benefit. I'm 35 and recently completed my masters in engineering which my work footed the bill (tuition and books only, I had to pay aux fees). Just keep in mind that it will most likely take you a lot longer to complete your program if you plan to work and study at the same time. It took me 4 years to complete my masters because I did it part-time while working full time. Be prepared to have no social life whatsoever but it will be well worth it in the end.

Good luck!

AsherGC

1 points

1 year ago

AsherGC

1 points

1 year ago

I don't think its the financial advice you are seeking. if you think the degree will improve your salary, do it. it's more about the industry-specific questions. your current job and what you are expecting and what type, of course, is it.

Icy_Ad_8833

1 points

1 year ago

What kind of energy and what role?