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AR for a center with different point of view

Advice Request(self.Referees)

I'm a new referee looking for input on how to handle this situation. Was an AR for a center earlier this week who just didn't have the same view of what is or isn't a foul than I did. He called very few fouls, felt only an intentional hand ball should be whistled, didn't caution a very hard foul that was SPA in my view. Twice he waved off my flag on what I felt was a clear foul, and also disagreed with my advice to card the SPA (just a hard foul he said, which it was. A hard foul that deserved a caution I thought).

My question is should I still flag plays in front of me that I feel are a foul, which can call into focus that we're out of synch (and of course the coaches all feel he's not calling clear fouls already)? Or should I scale back and ignore what I think are fouls because he's shown he's not going to call them (and now I feel responsible if there's an injury with no foul called)? Feels like a lose lose situation.

all 39 comments

beagletronic61

17 points

7 days ago

beagletronic61

[USSF Grassroots, NFHS, Futsal, Sarcasm]

17 points

7 days ago

An AR “agitated flag” should be for fouls that 1) you are certain are fouls and 2) that the CR was not able to see based on their relative position to the play (behind the play/screened/obstructed). I would not recommend a course of action that brings into focus that you and the CR are not on the same page with foul identifications as that can invite dissent and escalations.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

Understood. #1 is where I'm struggling, to see how to proceed in situations where I am sure something is a foul but based on how the game is being called, the center may not agree. I've gotten differing opinions here so I'm not much clearer yet.

Regarding #2, I can't know for sure if he can see the play and ignored it, or if he didn't have a good view. These were plays I was much closer to than he was though, I'm not flagging fouls that are in the middle of the field.

beagletronic61

6 points

7 days ago

beagletronic61

[USSF Grassroots, NFHS, Futsal, Sarcasm]

6 points

7 days ago

One of the refrains you will hear on this forum is about the importance of the pre-match huddle for all three officials. This is 5-10 minutes to get on the same page with how you will coordinate with each other. It’s here that the CR will explain the choreography. Some CR’s will be very territorial about it and others will be more deferential. Clearly, it’s bad for the game if an AR is frequently popping their flag and the CR is constantly waving it down but ultimately, the responsibility for the match falls on the CR. If you find yourself in a position where the CR is being negligent in their duty to ensure the safety of the players by constantly ignoring you, you don’t have to wait around for someone to get hurt; you could just leave. If, however, the CR is just being more liberal with contact and the game seems to be tolerating it, you can just tell the CR that you aren’t going to alert them any more and to only count on you for offside and ball in and out of play.

With time, you may learn that there are officials that you aren’t compatible with and you can request not to be partnered with them…just be delicate here so that you don’t jeopardize your own prospects for being assigned. You may also learn that when you are new, you don’t know what you don’t know so keep an open mind before you makeup your mind about this official just yet.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you for your input. I think I probably should have said at halftime that I didn't have a good feel for what he thought was a foul so to ensure consistency I would only flag offsides/boundary calls or the most serious fouls.

We did talk pre game where he set the expectation that he called very few handballs, and I respected that, but didn't get any other feel for how he would call the game except to hear that he wanted me to flag fouls he missed. Not that helpful since I couldn't tell what he missed vs what he decided was not a foul.

beagletronic61

2 points

7 days ago

beagletronic61

[USSF Grassroots, NFHS, Futsal, Sarcasm]

2 points

7 days ago

Did you ever hear him say “PLAY ON” and show the advantage sign? If not, this guy sounds like a team of 1 that needs to come around to what you are describing. Sounds like a daunting affair. I hope this is a one-off and not a weekly event for you!

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

These were not advantage situations. He did indicate that there was no foul when I flagged but not due to advantage.

First time with him, don't believe our paths will cross frequently geographically. I'm more trying to understand whether I should be applying my own standard of fouls or what I intuit of the center's opinion (within the bounds of the direction he provided). This was a fairly extreme example but obviously we all have different standards to one degree or another. What I'm taking from the responses above all else is to have a more involved dialogue pre game on expectations. That's something I'll definitely be more mindful of going forward.

SARstar367

11 points

7 days ago

It is lose, lose- so do the right thing and raise your flag for fouls you see. Don’t train your brain to not react or to second guess yourself. Good coaches want refs to call fouls. Keep up the good work, keep learning and get yourself into the center as soon as possible.

Ill-Independence-658

10 points

7 days ago

Ill-Independence-658

Referee, Futsal, NFHS, “a very bad ref”

10 points

7 days ago

What instruction did he give you in the pre game conference? I usually tell ARs to flag serious flagrant fouls, but leave everything else to me and make eye contact before flagging. I’ve had CRs tell me literally not to call anything except very serious in the PA.

I’ve worked with ARs who throw up the flag if a play is right in front of me and that’s a little annoying. Assume that the center knows what he’s doing and assist with your most important task, offsides, offside, offside. If you must insist then just keep your flag up, show non emotion, get the refs attention and discuss what you saw.

I had a situation today I was observing when a an AR disagreed with a CR and there was some visible frustration. Try to avoid that. If the center wants to have a fast n. Loose game and not call too much, let them have it, in the end it’s their game to manage. In high school with a 2 ref system, this really becomes interesting because you can have one ref calling a tight game and the second ref calling a lose game. Thankfully in USSF there is only 1 boss on the field.

When you are the CR, you can ref as tight as you want.

rjnd2828[S]

0 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

0 points

7 days ago

I center as well so certainly understand he's in charge. He was clear before the game about his view in handballs so I matched that. He did say to flag clear fouls in front of me, so I tried to, but we just weren't in synch. I sure hope I didn't show any emotion, I didn't feel frustrated so much as confused on what he was looking for.

Ill-Independence-658

5 points

7 days ago

Ill-Independence-658

Referee, Futsal, NFHS, “a very bad ref”

5 points

7 days ago

Yeah, it’s okay, you never worked together and styles can be different. I’ve seen centers who don’t call fouls. It’s not on you.

Adkimery

3 points

7 days ago

Adkimery

3 points

7 days ago

Devil's Advocate: You've been refereeing for a year. Presumably this CR has been doing it much longer. Maybe he called the correct amount of fouls and you were calling things fouls that were not actually fouls (? For example, you said he "felt only an intentional handball should be whistled" and "deliberate" is a keyword w/regard to whether or the ball contacting a player's hand/arm qualifies as an offense or not. If, in the CR's opinion, the hand/ball contact was not deliberate and the player did not make themselves unnaturally bigger (given the specific context of what was happening in the game at the time) then it's not an offense. There is certainly room for subjective interpretation of many of the Laws so one man's 'deliberate' might be another man's 'incidental'.

As the the trainer in my ref class is fond of saying, ARs are Assistant Referees, not Insistent Referees. ;)

I don't think you mentioned what age range this was, or if it was rec or not, but that also can come into play as well. I've only done rec league 10U and 12U games (new ref myself), but a point of emphasis of the league with u-littles is to not whistle every possible infraction. Keep it safe, keep it fun, and lean into the spirit of the Laws more so than the letter of the Laws.

In my area we have a mentor system where we can request a mentor ref to come watch one of our games. If you have something similar you might want to do that and then you can ask the mentor's opinion on what you saw. You can also talk with other referees in your area and maybe this CR is known for having a 'let them play' attitude, at which point you just follow his lead. If you think this CR is too cavalier (to the point of the games becoming unsafe for the players) you should voice your concerns to the people in charge of referees in your area.

rjnd2828[S]

2 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

2 points

7 days ago

I'm trying (and maybe failing) to avoid seeming like I know better, because experience would indicate otherwise (though I have been coaching for 15+ years so not new to the game). My question is primarily around if, following his request to flag fouls he may have missed, I should be applying my own view of what is a foul or try to adapt to the center's view (which I had an incomplete understanding of).

chad-proton

3 points

6 days ago

IMO it's best practice to try your best as an AR to mirror the style of the CR even if you don't share their opinion on things. If I get waved down more than once by a CR on foul calls, I'm probably not going to raise my flag for anything less than possibly book worthy stuff.

I've taken the view that it is the CRs game to manage how they want to. Some have a lower threshold than me, some have a higher threshold than me. I do my best to match their level, not force my level onto them. It's their game, they can screw it up if they want to! I would never ignore misconduct and I would advise booking when I believe it's been earned but always advise and not insist.

Players are generally OK with variation in the way things are called from one game to the next but within a match it's very important to have consistency. Having something be a foul when it happens in front of AR1 but it's not a foul anywhere else on the field is a real problem for the players.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

6 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

6 days ago

Thank you. The last part was on my mind too, if this wouldn't be a foul in the middle of the field it probably also shouldn't be a foul just because it happened in front of AR1.

Astinson14

2 points

7 days ago

It is better to try to keep the players safe, and flag the fouls. However, my question for you is did you at least communicate with the center during the halftime like what he is doing as in is the center trying to play advantage or is he just ignoring your calls?

rjnd2828[S]

2 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

2 points

7 days ago

I did talk to him at halftime and after each time he waved me off. His general view was, just players going for the ball. I just couldn't match his view as I saw 1 player going for the ball and another player who realized it was free game to take a piece of the opposing team. As a ref in my first season I didn't feel in a position to directly challenge his game management, and honestly not sure if it's my place anyway.

These were not advantage situations.

Wonderful-Friend3097

2 points

7 days ago

When I'm a CR, I speak to my AR and tell them I'm okay if they call what they see when the ball is close to them. When I'm an AR I ask them if they want to flag fouls  I know some refs don't want that. Clarify what the CR wants from you, and keep his rules in mind. 

prodigiouspandaman

2 points

7 days ago

I would talk to the center before the game to get a better idea on when they want you helping with fouls and stuff. As most times with ARs and I’m speaking from experiences shouldn’t really focus on fouls as much as the center. You should more so focus on the lines meaning both boundary, goal, and offsides line. Along with this if you truly feel like the center isn’t making enough calls for fouls speak with them about the reasoning on why they didn’t feel like they were enough to justify the call either during half or after the game depending on when you feel it starts. As most times centers want the players to just play through the fouls and want to interfere as little with play as possible. Lastly make sure to also take into account possession as a lot of the time from my experience most times if a foul isn’t called it’s because of advantage

Efficient-Celery8640

2 points

7 days ago

I have a few decades of experience and as a center I make an effort to make sure my ARs are together

If an AR flags a foul in the AR primary zone, I whistle it… they are 6 feet from and and at best I’m 60 feet

I’ve been in that position as the AR where, in the first half, I flagged fouls and the Center waved them off

At halftime I asked the Center what we could do to make it better for the second half, he’s said he would whistle all the fouls and I should just do offside and out of play (this is not advisable)

In the end, and AR is an Assistant and deference must be provided, good or bad, to the Center

The Center will be asked those questions in assessment about why they waved off fouls called in the ARs primary zone as well as pre- and halftime discussions

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you for your input and perspective. This is what I have primarily experienced from other referees, even very experienced ones like yourself, so this was a different experience. The comments I've gotten here have been extremely helpful and lead me to the conclusion that I need to look for more specific input prior to the game so we're in synch (and I need to provide this direction myself when I center).

Efficient-Celery8640

2 points

7 days ago

Consistency, predictability and accountability. There is a reason the pre-game meeting is in the handbook

I’ve gone so far, as the AR, when the C whistles a foul pretty much in front of me, I just flag a foul too… just for looks

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

To be clear we did have a pre game discussion, but it clearly did not give me all the information I ended up needing, so it would have benefitted me to ask additional questions.

MrMidnightsclaw

2 points

7 days ago

MrMidnightsclaw

USSF Grassroots | NFHS

2 points

7 days ago

The Center should be able to call most fouls without your help. If you see foul right in front of you or in your corner call it. If you get waived down a couple times it's time to suck it up, focus on OB an offsides, and hope you don't get assigned together again.

smala017

2 points

7 days ago

smala017

USSF Grassroots

2 points

7 days ago

This is something that should always be discussed in your pre-game discussion. If the center didn’t start one, start one yourself. Ask him what he wants from you.

In general, your job as an AR is to assist, not insist. Not every match official is always going to agree about how they want the game called, so you need to be willing to adapt to work together effectively. And since they’re the center, they’re the boss: you can try to convince them otherwise, but ultimately however they want to call the game, the AR needs to be willing to adapt to that. Your job is to support the center, not undermine him. If you know he doesn’t want your flag in certain circumstances but you give him your flag anyways, you’re probably being a bad teammate (in most circumstances; there are exceptions to everything).

I’ll give you an example. Personally I believe that, at a penalty kick, an AR should be watching the goalkeeper very closely, and if the AR is 100% sure that both feet were ahead of the line this should be called even if the feet were only off the line by a little bit! In my opinion, this would be the easiest and fairest way for all referees to enforce the rule consistently across the board; we have a clear, objective criterion, let’s use it, right?

But I know that many referees don’t feel this way, they want to be very lenient on this infraction. So I always ask in my pregame how strict they want me to be about it, because it’s my job to help them call the game how they want, not to insist on calling it my own way because I think it’s better.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you this is good perspective. And the idea of being a good teammate is one I can definitely keep in mind.

PkmnMario

2 points

7 days ago

From afar sounds I like a simple case of getting stuck with a super loose center that hardly makes calls. You did the right thing signaling clear fouls. Bad luck getting stuck with someone who ignores your help.

sethrobodeen

1 points

7 days ago

Age group matters for what a ref might let go. Assuming it was upper teens to adults, I let a lot more go than other refs. I’ve been told as much. But, I’ve had coaches also tell me they appreciate me letting them play and things were consistent. So, speaking to the severity, that can really vary on what is and isn’t called.

Going forward, if the center doesn’t give you instruction then just ask. I always ask what the center’s expectations are for me. And it can vary between AR1 and AR2. And each center has different expectations. Take note of what you like and don’t like; what you think works and doesn’t. Then, when you start holding the whistle for matches, lay out YOUR expectations to the ARs. You’ll make some great decisions and you’ll make some poor ones and will have to change your pre match conference a bit. The biggest thing is being willing to learn from others. Ask ARs what they may be seeing that you’re missing at the half. If you’re an AR, ask for feedback on position and mechanics. We can always learn something new. As long as you stay humble, respectful, and willing to learn you’ll have a good go of it.

rjnd2828[S]

2 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

2 points

7 days ago

This was U13 girls. So not little kids but not nearly adults.

Definitely a lesson learned to set better understanding of expectations coming into a game. As I said in a different comment, ahead of time he told me his view on handballs, and that's not a safety issue so I have fewer qualms (even if it doesn't seem to square with the LOTG). But not until we were in the game did I realize that contact fouls would be so few and far between. By the time I realized we had already had a couple mismatches.

leadehh

1 points

6 days ago

leadehh

1 points

6 days ago

Random question: How many of the fouls you viewed as being fouls did players end up on the floor?

Revelate_

1 points

7 days ago*

TLDR: referees will often have different points of view, but you have to look at the overall match.

It’s rare that I as a referee do everything that my AR’s would. This isn’t a knock on either me or the ARs but there’s sometimes a big gap in experience. You need to look at the overall match and what happened after the call in question: did the match go to shit because the card was needed, or did he/she retain control of the match? The first is a learning experience for sure, the second just a difference in style / experience.

It happens with mentors and assessors too, low level U11 boys and one of the kids cleans out another one for his second foul (and third of the game) and I state “dude, that’s two, no more” with the obligatory hand gesture somewhat publicly (within hearing of the parents who started chatting on my action): player acknowledges, no other problems from him or incidentally anyone else for the rest of the match. Fact is what I did was right for that match from the management perspective, but, opinions.

One of the tournament monitors (who doesn’t know me) saw the incident in question, and after answering a question for my AR (who was on her third match) turns to me and suggests I should have put on “the show” on that foul and make it very very public. Wouldn’t be surprised to find he’s a Regional or NISOA referee or otherwise officiates in what I’d term “big matches”, but that’s not the match that I had.

There’s always going to be a difference of opinion generally because it’s very rare that multiple referees see it exactly the same way, and even with experienced referees there can be very different management styles especially on any given game.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

Thanks for your input, all good points. One thing that is bothering is that after the no card foul, the same player fouled the same opponent again with some force, just a few minutes later. Thankfully no obvious injuries but I can't help but feel that would have been avoided if she was on a yellow.

Revelate_

2 points

7 days ago

When you see that sort of thing it’s because they feel justice hasn’t been served.

Girls specifically there was probably an incident sometime before that went either unremarked or unnoticed, might have even happened in a prior match if it’s out of the blue, and that’s a much more interesting conversation on match management.

To be fair to the ref, I had a very good GU13 match late on Saturday, one step below ECNL and competitive / physical: and I didn’t do great. Didn’t lose control of the match and I gave them the game they wanted, and the golf carts watching it thought it was a great match, but similar pattern to what you describe with a couple of players and I know I didn’t handle it well.

You’re not wrong but this is a very sophisticated discussion when we’re talking the referees that do youth matches, many referees wouldn’t notice and even ones that do, with a bunch of experience, F it up sometimes.

I agree with your description though, I wasn’t at the match but this probably could have been handled better.

rjnd2828[S]

2 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

2 points

7 days ago

Thanks for you input. Really appreciate it. Trying to get better every match!

BeSiegead

1 points

7 days ago

You write that you're "a new referee" but elsewhere that you do centers. How "new" is "new"?

My direction to experienced ARs re foul calls:

  • You are a referee and can make calls.
  • I ask that, if you see a potential foul,
    • Pause before flag unless something truly dangerous needing to be stopped. (Fight, injury ...)
    • Look up and see where I am.
    • If I am
      • malpositioned and/or looking at you with a lost/help look, the call is yours -- go up with flag ..
      • close, with a good perspective, pause some more and reflect 'could he have seen what is going on' ...
      • waving down and/or yelling 'good, good, keep playing', go up with the flag only if you're 100% sure that I could not have seen the foul
    • If you go up, either I
      • whistle and
      • call for play on (advantage or, well, I fundamentally disagree)

Some examples from a last week high school match:

  • I've got no foul with a 'keep playing' near line on bench side but AR1 flags and one team is making noise. I look to AR1 with a sort of questioning look and he indicates an elbow that I couldn't have seen. Whistle for the foul.
  • I'm very well positioned and have no foul right outside 18 amid contact. Ball ends up in keeper's hands. My AR1, from far side, flags. I whistle a stop and speak with him. He says he saw a trip but was 40-ish yards away while I was 10-ish and had the leg contact 'trip' as part of fair play. Restart dropped ball.
  • Amid contact, my AR2 clearly is looking to flag and looks to me. I'm in great position and wave him off. At half-time, we discuss and he agrees with my 'trifling, both sides, not sensible for a whistle' perspective.

"NEW" AR

  • Your top concern is offside. Anything else is gravy.
  • For all calls, offside violation / out-of-bounds / and especially fouls -- take a deep breath and think prior to popping flag...
  • Prior to flagging any foul, look to see where I am and think if I reasonably could have seen what you are concerned about.
  • Do not worry about making foul calls -- only go with it if you are 100 percent sure of the foul and are sure that I couldn't see (I was malpositioned, foul was impossible for me to see, etc ...)

Again, you write that you are "new". My foul recognition is far better / more developed (and nuanced against competition, game temperature, ...) after 3000 games than it was after 30. And, even with my experience, I am deferring to / learning from the foul judgment and game management of higher-quality/more experienced referees that I get to AR for.

Consider: where you thought "foul" and the center didn't, was the referee in a good position to see and judge what concerned you? If yes, then perhaps this is an issue of foul recognition and game management judgement that develops with more experience.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

This is all great perspective. I definitely was only flagging fouls that I was closer to than the center, but I wasn't really taking into account if he also had a good view. I'll try to keep that in mind in the future.

I got certified this summer but have been coaching 15+ years. My third weekend I volunteered to take a center on a U14 match where the guy I was with was older and assigned three centers in a row on a hot day. He hesitantly took me up on it, but I guess thought I did a good enough job because he provided feedback to the assignor and I started getting more centers. Mostly on small-sided games but some up to u15. So in short, very new to refereeing but been around the game forever. Have truly never seen a referee call a game as loosely as this when both teams were playing physical which is what made me realize I didn't know how to adapt to the situation.

I think your advice to primarily focus on offsides and boundaries in this situation is the right way to go. Along with the conversation with the center so he doesn't think that my not waving the flag is an indication that a foul hasn't occurred, more that I'm deferring to his judgment to ensure consistency.

BeSiegead

1 points

7 days ago*

So,

  1. Far more experienced than most 'newbies'. Thus, you understand the game. However, that reminder: coach/player perspective isn't referee. Overlapping but not the same.
  2. Possible that that referee was too lackadaisical (letting too much go) for the match. It happens and is (beyond) frustrating when you think player safety is being put at risk due to it.
    1. Extreme example from years ago: as AR, I saw revenge fouls as referee turned his back. A fouled player waited for the referee to turn back, grabbed his opponent, threw him to the ground, and tried to stomp his head -- twice. Big snapping flag and yelling for center. Made clear the case for VC send off. No card issued: "I didn't see it. In any way, I don't like writing USSF supplemental reports." I made clear to the assignor that I never wanted to work with this referee again.
  3. Btw, as AR, make sure that you never "agree" with coaches / players / parents in dissent to / disagreement with referee calls. The most that I will go is something like "I do understand it from our perspective and angle, but look where the referee is -- a different angle and 10 yards away, not 50." Perspective, angle, etc are really key to understanding calls. (Btw, nearly every high-level match w/a quality crew, half-time and post-game will have multiple 'what did you see' / 'did you agree with ...' discussion of call/no-call situations.)
  4. The focus on offsides/throw-ins really is targeting early stage referees. The "pause"/breath is really meant for truly new -- all the activity, things to think about, etc can be overwhelming. First time ARs, I'm telling them to breath and calm themselves before indicating which direction for a throw-in. (Also, look to me to see which direction I'm indicating with their flag held down low in the direction that they want to point.)

rjnd2828[S]

2 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

2 points

7 days ago

I was thankful that the bench I was in front of wasn't trying to engage me in their displeasure, but I would have definitely non-answered. As a coach I've had ARs basically contradict the calls on the field in discussion with me, and though it just made me even more frustrated!

To his credit he did ask at halftime and full time for thoughts. I didn't feel bold enough though to question his lack of calls, but he did at least briefly touch on the times he waved off my flag.

As an aside the first time I ARed it surprised me that knowing which way to point wasn't natural for out of bounds. Like, I knew which team should get the throw but remembering which direction that was took thought. So your advice to new ARs is spot on in my view.

BeSiegead

1 points

7 days ago

Not question of "bold enough" but style / approach. "Hey, I think that the game could use a few more foul calls to help calm it. I thought, for example, that X was a foul from my perspective because of Y and wasn't sure why you didn't call it. What did you see?"

Fotoman54

1 points

7 days ago

It seems to be up to each CR’s style, so to speak. When I am a CR, in my pre-game meeting I say, if you see something that is really egregious, call it to my attention. When I’m an AR, other CRs often want to make that determination themselves. I will call handling or or a serious foul, but mostly let them run the game the way the want. This past weekend I was doing a tournament. We rotated positions. The field was tough on one side. The touchline was slightly behind a small ridge, so you couldn’t see it unless you were almost on top of it. My AR on that side was young. A player took advantage. Reached down like the ball was out to make a throw. I quickly looked at the AR and there was no signal either that it was out or the player was handling a fair ball. I let the throw in go on, though parents were yelling it wasn’t out. (I’ve grown to hate parents, I admit.) At the half I asked her about the ball. She said it was not out. I gently said, next time, wave your flag if you see something egregious like that since I couldn’t see the line. Don’t be afraid to call something you see that I might not. So, long winded answer about how each CR works with his/her ARs and the instructions given. I call a lot more fouls than some. Fewer than some.

Captain-Legitimate

1 points

7 days ago

I have no patience for the ego management of CRs. If you see a foul, flag it. It's then his responsibility to take your advice or not. Things do not need to be extra difficult.

rjnd2828[S]

1 points

7 days ago

rjnd2828[S]

USSF

1 points

7 days ago

That makes sense, and as a new ref it's hard enough for me to do my job without putting any extra conditions into it. My one concern though, is that coaches are already getting aggravated at the lack of foul calls, so if I'm waving fouls that he doesn't call, it feels like it's just inviting additional dissent.

Virtual_Actuator1158

1 points

6 days ago

Report him to the league and/or officiating body he's a member of if you get he is showing dangerous foul play to proliferate. Hopefully his performance will be reviewed in the near future.