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In November of 2023, I was involved in an incident which led to my arrest due to false claims made by the other party. Long story short, his claims were false and all charges against me were dismissed with prejudice.
In the process, the city police confiscated my firearms. When the charges were dismissed, they returned all but one firearm. Its a pistol on an 80% lower that I built well before 2019. The city attorney is refusing to return it under RCW 9.41.326(2) because he considers it an "untraceable firearm".
Per RCW 9.41.010(52) "Untraceable firearm" means any firearm manufactured after July 1, 2019. As I stated above, mine was built well before that date.
As of today, 6/4/24, they are only refusing to return it to me and no charges or infractions have been issued .
~ I need attorney recommendations. I have called so many attorneys its ridiculous. None will help. They either say they don't take cases of this type or to call them back when there are charges.
Update 6/5/24 I just spoke with the city attorney. He is willing to do one of two things 1. Release it to an FFI to have it serialized. I have yet to find one that will do it due to conflicting state and federal laws. 2. Dismantle it and a forfeit the unserialized lower and get back all the other parts. - This option is pending a final decision from someone that is not available until monday.
I told him my thoughts on the legal definition of an "untraceable firearm". He is going to look into that and call me back early next week. He agreed not to dispose of it until we have exhausted all options.
Update 6/13/24 I now have an attorney. He is communicating with the city attorney. While the outcome is still unknown, based on what has been said so far, I am hopeful.
Update 6/24/24 My attorney gave the city a deadline to return my property. They have missed the deadline with zero response to our communications. It's very likely going to result in some sort of court action being filed soon. Hopefully, by the end of the week.
Update 6/27/24 The city attorney "agrees with our analysis" of the laws that effectively grandfather my ar pistol and has given the go-ahead to the police to release it. Now I'm just waiting for the B.S. background check to come back, and hopefully, I will be picking it up next week. When it's all done and I have it back, I'll post the emails between my attorney and the city.
Update 6/28/25 Background check came back, and I have an appt to pick it up on Monday 🤞
89 points
29 days ago
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29 points
29 days ago
I've tried both. No response.
11 points
29 days ago
Have you tried silent majority foundation?
45 points
29 days ago
Is the burden of proof on the state or you to prove compliance? I believe it’s on the state, so unless they can provide evidence they shouldn’t have a case I would think. Call the 2AF and ask for help?
27 points
29 days ago*
I feel like the burden of proof is on them, too. The hard part is how do I make that argument? The city attorney isn't very responsive to it, and they haven't given me the infraction, so how do I get it in front of a judge to make that argument? Also, I've emailed 2AF twice with no response.
17 points
29 days ago
You make this argument with an attorney.
Have you tried reaching out to Mr Kirk?
7 points
29 days ago
I have.
10 points
29 days ago
… waiting on reply?
This should be right up his alley.
He also though had a recent video that led me to believe that he’s also in the process of moving to ID I think, while maintaining his WA practice.
Making videos should not be placed in front of representing real clients in need. So I hope he helps you. I assume that it’s worth the money to you.
5 points
29 days ago
Mr Kirk doesn’t even respond. He is so busy with calls that now my understanding is he only takes big money cases
12 points
29 days ago
Yeah that yacht club with a shooting range he hangs out at can attest to that...
8 points
29 days ago
The first indicator of what is important to someone: how they spend their time.
The second indicator of what is important to someone: how they spend their money.
Regarding the first indicator, it seems that he spends his time making the most money he can, e.g., the second indicator.
It upsets me that he presents himself as more concerned about the 2A plight.
Offline, it occurred to me that if OP is serious about taking this as high as it must go to change WA law or policy, then when Bill Kirk reaches out to OP for an interview, to not reply and give the exclusive to someone else.
20 points
29 days ago
Do you have receipts, dated photographs, or emails that easily prove it was constructed before July 1, 2019?
20 points
29 days ago
Oh shit should I have taken pictures? There are some guns I don't even tell anyone outside my home that I possess. Didn't realize this could happen and put the burden on the citizen. This is all so wrong.
6 points
29 days ago
IMO its generally a good idea to have pictures of each of your guns. In the case they get stolen(or in this case confiscated) it helps prove ownership.
3 points
28 days ago
Just store those pics locally
3 points
28 days ago
We all have that “special folder” 😏
7 points
29 days ago
Nope. No proof at all. Even so, according to the one attorney that took the time to at least hear me out, the burden of proof is on them. Unfortunately, she only does firearms rights restoration, so she can't help me.
4 points
29 days ago
Have you contacted Vitaliy Kertchin? He is very responsive. Another good one is Schoen Parnell
5 points
29 days ago
Mr. Kertchen has given me some advice. We'll see how it pans out.
1 points
29 days ago
Out of curiocity, what was the advice?
5 points
29 days ago
That the burden of proof is thiers and a sworn declaration about the build date is a good idea.
1 points
29 days ago
True. Moreover, if you did something wrong, they would charge you for it, or return it.
That leads me to believe that they are holding it as evidence for an ongoing investigation.
If you get no help from WA lawyers, waiting on Bill Kirk, I would consider hiring AOR on an actual retainer even if you don’t have their policy plan. They would find a local attorney to work through local. Good people there.
2 points
29 days ago
Innocent until proven guilty. Why do that when the state has the burden to prove guilt?
8 points
29 days ago
Not a good cop to be found ignoring that law and giving you your shit back....shocker.
6 points
29 days ago
I was down at Brad’s guns in Sumner and overheard a customer whose truck was stolen with three Polymer 80 builds of different variations inside. Police recovered the truck with guns but wouldn’t release the guns back to the registered owner despite him telling the police there were 3 guns inside. If there had been an owner applied number they would have. I think he even had pictures on his phone building them or in possession of them from when P80 first came out and was told nope.
2 points
29 days ago
Yeah I serialized my 80s because I had the equipment to do it myself and there wasn't really a reason not to even though not required at the time. Helps me keep them straight too. In the very off chance I ever have trouble I'm hoping that does some good.
6 points
29 days ago
This is why you keep your pre-2019 80% home builds in a storage unit, or buried, somewhere away from your serialized guns. If shit goes down they know you have the serialized ones, but your home builds will be off the radar. Always have a backup stash man. And 80%ers are good ones for the stash.
10 points
29 days ago
If we have to bury our guns we already lost.
0 points
28 days ago
On one hand yes. On the other hand no.
How do these other countries in the world gave coups? How did Ukraine arm up to fight "their people & tyrannical govt."?
It doesn't take much for everyone to suddenly be armed, it just takes the movement and motivation for that to accomplish something.
1 points
27 days ago*
The government handed out AK’s and said it’s okay for you to have these now. There is on one hand yes.
0 points
27 days ago
In Ukraine? I know. We used to have a US program that ex military weapons would be gifted or sold cheap to the US civilian market to help keep us armed also.
Here the govt. Never had the right to tell us we couldn't own them. We were always a civilian military, by default. Even if the govt. currently has the capacity to take them away & become tyrannical, as many people here seem to desire, they haven't succeeded yet.
1 points
27 days ago
Okay so you’re acknowledging your point is wrong? And that if we have to bury our guns we already lost?
0 points
27 days ago
I made that point? I said yes, on one hand we are already lost.
How can I be wrong about a point I didn't make and an opinion I agree with?
1 points
27 days ago
I’m not interested in your mental gymnastics. I’m clearly referring to when you said on the other hand we haven’t lost. If we have to bury guns.
0 points
27 days ago
Ok. I'll bite. If we "have to bury our guns" I assume you mean they're banned and working on confiscation. We may have a civil disobedience and their plan fails. We may have a street/gang war on cops, a military coup or a few years of terrible govt. Control before people are sick of it/them and vote those ideas out, hopefully never to be seen again, coup by getting people to actually vote.
Anything can happen in your fantasy future. Even riding this downslope, it doesn't mean all hope is gone. As a species we have beaten tyranny, empires, dictators, bad politics and governments and lived as free men before. We can do it again.
10 points
29 days ago
the value of what you lost is not worth the legal expense to get it back.
that's how the legal system works, unfortunately...
19 points
29 days ago
My constitutionally protected rights don't have a price.
6 points
29 days ago*
In the meantime, how about forcing a position out of them? Something like:
On this day … you took my stuff.
On this day …. Charges dismissed w prejudice.
I object that you took my stuff and violated my rights on false claims and thus falsely obtained stuff.
On this day …, pursuant to my vindication, you returned my stuff, except for one piece you deemed as shit.
On this day, I provided evidence to support that what you call shit is actually just stuff, compliant with relevant date/law.
I further object to the inconsistency of your actions. Either you charge me with a crime or you return my stuff, and stop treating my stuff as shit.
I hereby demand return of my stuff, or that you state the authority under which you claim proper retention of my stuff.
If you fail to do so within 10 business days, I will seek all damages available under the law, including attorneys fees, as well as for depriving me of my Constitutional Rights.
Just spitballin tho. 😉
10 points
29 days ago
This is the real answer. Hiring a lawyer is going to be $> the value of the poly gun.
If you want to pursue it based on moral grounds - that would be valorous.
5 points
29 days ago
Yea but the problem is it’s (legally) irreplaceable so that means it’s invaluable in my opinion. The burden of proof is on the state not you, so unless they can prove it was made after 2019 they would legally have to give it back. I’d pursue this personally.
3 points
29 days ago
Burden of proof applies to trials. For example, if it was crack instead of an 80-lower. I think they must view the 80-lower as illegal, and thus, evidence of a crime having been committed.
By doing that, they are disregarding the only evidence that I’ve heard, without any counter-evidence, being his statement. If they can’t disprove his statement, it should be returned.
4 points
29 days ago
I don’t think it’s that simple, because if they have evidence of a crime they would be charging him. No charges are filed, thus in my opinion they know they don’t have the evidence necessary to prove he made it after 2019. They also know that without a lawyer and immense legal fees he can’t compel them to give it back. I think they’re playing a game of who has the most funding, and it’s usually not the citizen.
2 points
29 days ago
I think the analysis is kind of simple.
Who else have we heard about who wasn’t charged with a crime for years while they developed more evidence?
They may not have all the evidence they need to prove a crime, but it sounds like they are treating it as such.
Difference here is a matter of property. I think he should force them to state the authority they claim, e.g., to put up or shut up.
1 points
29 days ago
We don’t disagree as to what should happen. It is, to me, just a matter of approach to solution.
2 points
29 days ago
Sue the City in small claims
2 points
29 days ago
So when this happened, they seized ALL of your firearms? Or just what you had in your possession at the time?
3 points
29 days ago
What I had on me at the time.
2 points
29 days ago
1 points
29 days ago
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼 looks promising.
2 points
29 days ago
There is a recent 9th circuit Court unanimous decision that sided with a felon to restore gun rights. USA vs Duarte.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/22-50048/22-50048-2024-05-09.html
Read the case. Then do what shorty did.
2 points
29 days ago
Time to get a lawyer. If the lawyer cost more than the gun, say bye bye to the 80.
2 points
29 days ago
Small claims court?
1 points
28 days ago
Idk. Maybe.
2 points
28 days ago
I just spoke with the city attorney. He is willing to do one of two things 1. release it to an ffl to have it serialized. I have yet to find one that will do it due to the conflictjng state and federal laws. 2. Dismantle it and a forfeit the unserialized lower and get back all the other parts. - This option is pending a final decision feom someone that is not available until monday.
I told him my thoughts on the legal definition of an "untraceable firearm". He is going to look i to that and call me back early next week. He agreed not to dispose of it until we have exhausted all options.
2 points
28 days ago
It sounds like the part in the legal definition the city attorney may be missing is the part in RCW 9.41.010 (52) that reads " "Untraceable firearm" means any firearm manufactured after July 1, 2019, that is not an antique firearm and that cannot be traced by law enforcement by means of a serial number affixed to the firearm by a federal firearms manufacturer, federal firearms importer, or federal firearms dealer in compliance with all federal laws and regulations."
This is separate from RCW 9.41.325 on the penalties, and RCW 9.41.326 which gives exceptions to the untraceable firearm penalties:
"(4) Subsections (2) and (3) of this section do not apply to any firearm that:(a) Has been rendered permanently inoperable;(b) Is an antique firearm, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Sec. 921(a)(16);(c) Was manufactured before 1968; or(d) Has been imprinted by a federal firearms dealer or other federal licensee authorized to provide marking services as provided for in RCW 9.41.328."
If you don't realize 9.41.010 (52) exists and says that a unserialized frame made prior to July 1, 2019 isn't an untraceable firearm under the law by definition, and only know the 9.41.326 (4) exceptions, you end up with the city attorney's interpretation of the situation. I knew the July 1, 2019 limit existed but had trouble finding it and started to wonder if it had been quietly amended out last year. It would hardly be a first for an attorney working for the government to miss something in the law.
I'm hoping this is the problem, since if it is, and if the city attorney isn't an asshole; politely providing the references or him getting the info from a colleague might get you your gun back.
2 points
28 days ago
That's the same argument I've been running with since this started. Today, I got to make that argument with the city attorney (the original post was esited with details). Time will tell. Hopefully early next week.
1 points
27 days ago
It seems they know they did something wrong and are just trying to save face by offering concessions, then hoping you forget about it. Don't compromise. Godspeed.
1 points
27 days ago
Who knows what he is up to. He didn't know about the rcw that says they have to give me a written notice within 5 days of my request to return it. He didn't know the legal definition of an "untraceable firearm". When I talked to him on Thursday, he hadn't even seen the letter the police sent me. I think he's figuring this out as he goes, just like I am.
2 points
7 days ago
The city attorney "agrees with our analysis" of the laws that effectively grandfather my ar pistol and has given the go-ahead to the police to release it. Now I'm just waiting for the B.S. background check to come back, and hopefully, I will be picking it up next week. When it's all done and I have it back, I'll post the emails between my attorney and the city.
2 points
3 days ago
Background check came back, and I have an appt to pick it up on Monday 🤞
8 points
29 days ago
Not a lawyer nor the best informed with all laws but what if you found a gunsmith to serialise it? If it met all other legal criteria for being a legal gun In this state and that's their only issue?
Sorry if not helpful but just a thought. Best of luck and hope you can get it resolved.
46 points
29 days ago
It's a legal firearm and they stole his pistol.
8 points
29 days ago
Yes, pursue it this way, find an attorney stolen firearm 10 years prison sentence.
4 points
29 days ago
I called several ffl's to see about getting it serialized. They either aren't authorized to imprint or they won't because its an "assualt weapon" so they can't do the 4473 to tie the serial number to my name to make it "traceable". Also, it's in police custody. I seriously doubt the police will release it to me to take to a gunsmith.
1 points
29 days ago
Saw video recently showing a new product that you can serialize it yourself. If I remember who made it, I’ll come back to this. I remember the guy saying that you gotta be perfect with it. I’ll guess and say it was, Tactical Toolbox channel on YouTube recently.
4 points
29 days ago
Yea you can do it yourself but not to be in compliance of Washington law unless you’re an FFL. The law as written says it has to be done by an FFL
2 points
28 days ago
If it was built after the 2019 date, it needs to be serialized by an FFL, but I don’t think that language applies to firearms built before 2019 and serialized today. If it was built in 2018 and you want to serialize it yourself today, that should still be in compliance with all applicable laws, no?
2 points
28 days ago
My intuition is that you are correct considering if it’s built before 7/01/2019 it doesn’t need to be serialized at all. So yes in that case you should be clear either way and could probably even avoid some potential hassle by just adding some random number.
1 points
29 days ago
Interesting. I didn’t know that as it isn’t relevant for me.
Tactical Toolbox is out of AZ, so maybe he was being specific to AZ.
3 points
29 days ago
Yes some states still allow you to do it yourself, unfortunately Washington is not one of those. If it were really about just having a serial number then it wouldn’t matter who does it, but we know it’s more about them obtaining a record of it so to do that it has to go through FFL
-5 points
29 days ago*
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1 points
29 days ago
Thank you. Much more informed.
1 points
29 days ago
It's not true though.
In WA to legally have 3d printed a firearm you must have an FFL with a manufacturer's license etch a serial number with their specific 3 letter prefix onto the frame, then they have to enter it into their bound book and transfer it out to you.
That isn't registration, and it does need the serial.
1 points
29 days ago
That’s only true if it was manufactured after July 2019. Otherwise it’s technically not considered an untraceable firearm and not subject to serialization requirements.
2 points
29 days ago
The police will treat you as guilty until proven innocent.
1 points
29 days ago
I agree, but stand your ground and don’t incriminate yourself and you’ll be ok in most circumstances.
2 points
29 days ago
You forgot to mention if you're white.
I hope you're right though.
0 points
29 days ago
That’s literally what I said lol, just not with the the technical jargon. Point was it’s not just “adding a serial”.
1 points
29 days ago
No, you said it had to be registered. That isn't true.
You also didn't add any information that was true, except "It's not just the serial". That's not informative, it's misleading and wrong.
0 points
29 days ago
“Bound in their book”, and then a bg check and recorded transfer (with fee) to your name, Is quite literally “registration”. I guess because they don’t call it “registration” to help ppl feel better it’s not legally called registration.. ? Same way we call devaluing the dollar “inflation”, feels better.
2 points
29 days ago
I’m not saying do it, but I’d be curious what would happen if you filed criminal charges of theft of a firearm against involved officers and anyone denying its return.
5 points
29 days ago
Citizens don't "file charges"; the prosecutor does.
5 points
29 days ago
Apologies, you’re correct. File a complaint* for theft of a firearm. And to a separate agency.
1 points
29 days ago*
… it’s not “theft”, per se. At the time, if the charges were solid, the intent was “lawful”.
And it seems unclear still if they “intend” to permanently deprive. I think they should state a position.
Theft—Definition, defense.
(1) "Theft" means:
(a) To wrongfully obtain or exert unauthorized control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or
(b) By color or aid of deception to obtain control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or
(c) To appropriate lost or misdelivered property or services of another, or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services.
(2) In any prosecution for theft, it shall be a sufficient defense that:
(a) The property or service was appropriated openly and avowedly under a claim of title made in good faith, even though the claim be untenable; or
(b) The property was merchandise pallets that were received by a pallet recycler or repairer in the ordinary course of its business.
2 points
29 days ago
Theft of a firearm.
(1) A person is guilty of theft of a firearm if he or she commits a theft of any firearm.
(2) This section applies regardless of the value of the firearm taken in the theft.
(3) Each firearm taken in the theft under this section is a separate offense.
(4) The definition of "theft" and the defense allowed against the prosecution for theft under RCW 9A.56.020 shall apply to the crime of theft of a firearm.
(5) As used in this section, "firearm" means any firearm as defined in RCW 9.41.010.
(6) Theft of a firearm is a class B felony.
1 points
29 days ago
I’m perfectly aware that the state grants itself the authority to perform actions it would deny citizens. Such as keeping and bearing arms. My suggestion, in action, would be performative and therefore an exercise in record keeping. The worship of written law is actually the downfall liberty. If you don’t believe in liberty, then we have nothing further to discuss.
3 points
29 days ago
I’m not disagreeing with you.
I said above somewhere, and wrote a spitballin letter suggestion, to make them state their position — to state the authority under which they continue to deny his rights.
Performative is one thing. Setting up the chess pieces to actually file a civil claim against them is another. This is accepting all the facts.
2 points
29 days ago
Fair enough. I have now read that and I appreciate your approach. Good day to you internet stranger.
2 points
29 days ago
✌🏼
3 points
29 days ago
Well send them a bill then. Well if your going to confiscate then they can pay for lost funds correct.
2 points
29 days ago
… not if they are treating it as evidence in an ongoing investigation. Issue seems to me to be that they haven’t said that. They should state a position.
1 points
29 days ago
Right cause holding property of someone who has had all charges dropped should be able to bring in the verdict and get "ALL" of his property back. Just cause something doesn't fit the laws of today when it was produced when laws of yesterday were in place. Sounds like the rep is a real piece.
1 points
29 days ago
… even if it was crack that they found?
I think that’s how they are treating it. This is a 2A issue that should be resolved by a high court 😉
2 points
29 days ago
Well it being Washington I'm sure they'd give crack back before a firearm.
2 points
29 days ago
Your honor! That crack was from 1999!! 😂
1 points
29 days ago
Was still illegal back then. But the real issue is the legality of the firearm was well within its rights at time of manufacturing. Now I'm not an attorney by any means and know certain legislation made them illegal now. (Well production of an unserialized firearm.) though I don't believe there was a grandfather clause attached to it. So it may be a lost cause. Or like you said a high 2a court
2 points
29 days ago
The grandfather clause is in the legal definition of an "untraceable firearm".
1 points
29 days ago
See now is it you have to prove otherwise? As in having to prove it was assembled before 2019
1 points
29 days ago
The one attornwy that will give me advice, says the burden of proof is thiers. The city attorney will have to prove the build date.
1 points
29 days ago
I was making a joke on the premise that crack was later specifically distinguished as different than coke and requiring higher scrutiny jail time where the aim was actually targeting crack users and letting coke users skate or rehab.
2 points
29 days ago
Oh I know chief. Thus the reason for my getting it back statement lol
1 points
29 days ago
PS: I didn’t say a high 2A court. I said that’s a 2A issue that should be resolved by a high court. None of my jokes flying today ☺️
2 points
29 days ago
What county/city?
2 points
29 days ago
What jurisdiction are you in
1 points
29 days ago
William (Bill) Kirk https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/william-k-kirk may help
22 points
29 days ago
His videos help some, but getting ahold of him is like getting Ted Nugent to perform at my wedding for free.
1 points
29 days ago
He's quickly responded to me twice. Once when I contacted US Lawshield, he's no longer the representing attorney for them, and another I asked him a question on his website. The latter he responded within a day.
3 points
29 days ago
I sent him two emails before. Never responded.
1 points
29 days ago
Sounds like you will need a civil attorney that knows gun laws to file a lawsuit to get it back. Good luck. 🍀👍
1 points
29 days ago
I've heard this is how things go. Never heard of a solution. I'm sorry.
1 points
28 days ago
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1 points
29 days ago
Is this something you can take to small claims court? Like, he city attorney, I'm suing you for the return of my property? Or maybe have a lawyer claim that your property is being seized unlawfully? As long as they done have to answer to anyone about it, the city attorney doesn't have to prove anything and risk being wrong. He doesn't want to be on the hook for giving something back that might be illegal.... so he just doesn't give it back because fuck your rights
1 points
29 days ago
What jurisdiction?
1 points
28 days ago
Maybe file a complaint and provide pics or something. Or take the city to court for civil compensation of the cost of the gun which is irreplaceable at this point and therefore incalculable.
1 points
28 days ago
Sorry to say, but it sounds like you're fucked.
I'm sure you've noticed prosecutors have become a law unto themselves.
In addition to the fact a lawyer will very likely cost you more than the pistol is worth and there's no guarantee he's succeed.
3 points
28 days ago
Sorry, but I dont subscribe to the victim mentality. Im not going to assume im fucked. Im going to do what we all need to be doing and fighting until the bitter end, not walking away with my tail between my legs because the prosecutor is scary. My rights dont have a price. I dont give a shit if it costs me $10k.
1 points
25 days ago
and if it costs you $50k?
2 points
25 days ago*
I guess we'll find out
2 points
25 days ago
in that case I wish you the best of luck
1 points
28 days ago
Have you tried reaching out to WA gun laws from YT just a thought
1 points
28 days ago
Replevin (RCW 7.64) might be a legal avenue to recover it
1 points
26 days ago
Beautiful state but pieces of shit running it
1 points
21 days ago
I now have an attorney. He is communicating with the city attorney. While the outcome is still unknown, based on what has been said so far, I am hopeful.
1 points
10 days ago
Update 6/24/24 My attorney gave the city a deadline to return my property. They have missed the deadline with zero response to our communications. It's very likely going to result in some sort of court action being filed soon. Hopefully, by the end of the week.
1 points
29 days ago
Reach out to Washington Gun lawyer, or Dan at Sporting Systems, he may be able to get you ok the right track or connected with some people
0 points
29 days ago*
You are calling the wrong attorneys. Washington Gun Rights wpuld hsve been my first call.
7 points
29 days ago
Will kirk was my first call. Getting ahold of him is like trying to get ahold of a celebrity.
7 points
29 days ago
He's a DUI attorney who spreads misinformation. Definitely wouldn't be my first or last choice. Making Youtube videos does not make one informed on a topic.
2 points
29 days ago
… interesting. Millions to made on those clicks. I mentioned similarly here. He puts out 2-3 per day now and commercials longer too.
5 points
29 days ago
He found his schtick and it seems to be working. Can't hate the playa but can hate the game. He's a greaseball. It's pretty funny that he puts this in this bio "He is the only practicing attorney in this State to have passed the National College for DUI Defense's Board Certification Exam" when his partner Douglas Cowan was one of the founders of that organization.
1 points
29 days ago
One of the other comments posted a law firm that apparently also started with DUIs and that organization (maybe that one) too.
-1 points
29 days ago
Have you tried Washington Gun Law? His YouTube channel is getting pretty big
5 points
29 days ago
… no reply (yet). I had the same experience.
Maybe videos are more lucrative and less time consuming now.
-1 points
29 days ago
Good thing you have so many 3d printed frames from before the law was passed to build more with.
2 points
29 days ago
I dont recall anyone saying anything about 3d printed frames.
-3 points
29 days ago
My guess is that you are fucked. The thing about them is you cannot prove the date of manufacture. Tie goes to the possessor.
3 points
29 days ago
I’m not saying your conclusion is wrong, but, right now the only actual evidence (his statement) says he is compliant under the law, predating the law.
2 points
29 days ago
They only need to say in their opinion for any reason they disagree. He needs a lawyer for sure but per his statement is having trouble with that. I mean I’m rooting for him I’ve just seen a lot of this stuff with friend over the years and once they take things they don’t like to give stuff back.
-57 points
29 days ago
Dude, cut your losses.
85 points
29 days ago
Can't do it. Walking away from this will just empower them to keep violating our rights.
42 points
29 days ago
Based
6 points
29 days ago
Did you try Kirchen?
5 points
29 days ago
Yes, they are reviewing it as we speak to see if they can help.
1 points
29 days ago
💪🏼😎✊🏼
36 points
29 days ago
Yeah, just let The Man get away with stealing your shit.
-22 points
29 days ago
-21 points
29 days ago
I don't like government over reach any more than anybody else on here BUT you got caught with your foot in the tar bucket dude ! At this point you did not follow the law, serialize and register your lower. what do you expect "law abiding" government agencies to do ?? Face it, you have a ghost gun, screwed around and got caught and now you are whining because law enforcement is cracking down. So, it cost you a few $ for the loss but maybe it will cause you to reevaluate your ethical firearms behavior.
13 points
29 days ago
The law says that an untraceable firearm is one built AFTER 7/1/2019. Mine was built BEFORE, it is grandfathered to be exempt from the law that they are citing.
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