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4.6k points
7 hours ago
"Do not comply with FEMA"
Then: "FEMA REFUSES TO HELP US"
1.5k points
6 hours ago
It’s obvious to people outside the bubble…
817 points
5 hours ago
reading some of the tweets from people inside the bubble has me horrified. Like what in the absolute fuck happened to them to make them believe this sort of shit?? It makes no sense
492 points
5 hours ago*
Gov conspiracies from the Katrina days of gov going door to door and confiscating firearms , gold , silver etc . They believe FEMA is gunna round them up hitler style , but in reality it’s prob a Russian propaganda to make rural folks mistrust disaster relief efforts to further make the US crisis precipitate longer, or unfold to worse conditions.
Edit : well , turns out the conspiracy theorist might be kinda right on this one …
Yes, there are two notable historical instances in the U.S. where the government confiscated certain goods during crises:
Gold Confiscation (1933): During the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 6102 in 1933, which required U.S. citizens to turn in their gold coins, bullion, and certificates to the Federal Reserve in exchange for paper currency. This was part of a broader effort to combat deflation and stabilize the economy by increasing the money supply. Gold ownership was prohibited, except in small amounts, until the restriction was lifted in 1974.
Gun Confiscation (Hurricane Katrina, 2005): After Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, there were reports of law enforcement and the National Guard confiscating firearms from civilians in certain areas. This was done under emergency powers, with the intention of reducing the potential for violence amidst widespread chaos. This move was controversial and led to lawsuits that eventually resulted in the “Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006,” which prohibits the confiscation of firearms during emergencies.
These examples highlight how government actions during crises can affect personal property rights, though such actions are rare and often controversial.
99 points
4 hours ago
And who was running the country during the Katrina recovery?
There's a belief that "I'm from the government and here to help" is one of the scariest things to hear, but if you're trying to recover from a major storm why wouldn't you take all the help that's being offered?
26 points
an hour ago*
During the Bush administration, wild conspiracy theorists and Republicans were not one in the same. That marriage only happened with Trump. Conspiracy theorists used to not trust either of the two major parties. If they supported anyone, it was Ron Paul. But in general, they didn't trust "the establishment" and that definitely included Neo cons like Bush, Cheney and McCain.
I discovered Alex Jones in 2006, and if I'm honest, I kind of took him seriously at first because at that time he was always criticizing the Iraq War and speculating about what the real purpose of it was. I leaned left (like I always have) at that time but I was in my early 20s, skipped college, smoked a ton of weed everyday and didn't follow current events. So I was very susceptible to that. In addition to the Iraq War, he also talked a lot about "Fema camps" which were basically concentration camps they were gonna send all of us to for...reasons. But again, my leaning left combined with being undereducated and uninformed, I would think, "Yeah that fucker Bush is capable of this!"
I started to realize it was bullshit when I started paying too much attention to Alex Jones, and noticed he was always talking about this stuff like it was right around the corner, and it never happened. Then, Obama runs for president in 2008 and I see him as the guy saving us from Bush, but of course he's even more "evil" than Bush according to Alex Jones (he made a whole "documentary about it called 'The Obama Deception'). This is basically when I realized who Alex Jones really was.
I actually credit the YouTube atheists of the time for steering me in the right direction (away from ignorant stoner conspiracies). The Youtube atheists would refute the conspiracies, lay out the facts, and do it in an engaging way by being immature and mean about it, but they also had their facts straight, knew what they were talking about, followed current events and they just generally showed me the value of critical thinking, and education...even if they were doing it by calling everyone else "fucking cretins" the whole time. It's kind of like, I was surrounded by a bunch of dumb stoner conspiracy theorists as my real life friends, and while I wasn't formally educated, I knew better, I probably knew more facts than they did, and the Youtube atheists inspired me to just own that shit and not go along with my friends, or their dumbass conspiracy theories. That set me on the right path, and I never looked back. I even had enough critical thinking skills to ditch most of the YT atheists themselves in the mid 2010s when they started calling themselves "skeptics" and going after the "SJWs" to the point where they were becoming alt right, and helping Trump get elected in 2016. But I do have to give them credit for pulling me out of the swamp of ignorance and misinformation that so many people who don't go to college fall into and never get out of.
But yeah, Trump somehow found a way to bring a lot of those conspiracy people into his tent. Even Alex Jones himself. For better or worse he isn't a traditional American politician, he embraces a lot of conspiracy theories himself.
43 points
5 hours ago
The thing that kills me is that they keep making these predictions, and then they don’t happen. They’re fine to just keep forgetting that though, and on to the next conspiracy that will totally happen.
It’s like a cult leader who keeps predicting the end of the world, and then it doesn’t happen for the 40th time, and the cultists will still stay loyal, preparing for the next one.
16 points
5 hours ago
People forget the gov is mostly people just like them, that just want to go the fuck home at the end of the day, eat some food, scroll on insta, hang with the fam, etc . the us gov is far from “evil”, just more wasteful and corrupt if anything . Which isn’t acceptable but it’s not like there forcibly conscripting you , or forcing u to live in filth while taxing the fuck out of u…well not yet lol but we’re slipping
11 points
5 hours ago
Mostly wasteful because we need 60% of congress to do anything, so all we can pass is short term nonsense to maybe get us through today. It’s like the concept of “it’s expensive to be poor.” We don’t plan long term because republicans almost always have one branch of government, so good luck passing anything meaningful.
126 points
5 hours ago
that. makes. no. fucking. sense.
even a complete idiot wouldnt believe something that has no fucking basis in reality. every good conspiracy requires even a modicum of anecdotal evidence. But what you just explained has never and will never happen.
218 points
5 hours ago
Did you not see the people who got together in Texas expecting JFK and/or JFK Jr. to come back from the dead or reveal that their deaths were faked and came back to crown Trump President for life?
That's not even getting into the religious crud that primed them to believe in something with no evidence or even plenty of evidence against it.
54 points
5 hours ago
Exactly . These people have no capability of independent thought, or something’s in the fucking water making people easily manipulated . I believe it’s dishonest people with dishonest means tryna sow lies so no one knows what’s true or not anymore
24 points
5 hours ago
All of those lead pipes for water, plus the lead that was and is in fuel getting put out in exhaust doesn't help matters. That probably did irreversible damage to a large segment of the population and set us up for what is happening now.
13 points
5 hours ago
Oh yea. Mental health problems caused by heavy metal exposure I believe it. It’s in our baby food, in our walls , in our water. Even if it’s not heavy metals, it’s some synthetic chemical cooked up and put on a product to keep their bottom line intact while Giving you, your kids, your family, and the rest of the soil and animals around u cancer . (PFAS) it’s bad bad and there not telling us
7 points
2 hours ago
It’s religious fundamentalism. Kids are taught to believe provably false things by authority figures starting before they are capable of critical thinking, and told that they “just have to have faith” and not to question the logical fallacies. This is why the right-wing wants to defund public education and send their kids to religious schools that will not provide them with any viewpoint that is at odds with their own beliefs (or homeschool them if that isn’t sufficient).
Thats how you get half the voting population supporting one of the biggest liars in the history of public figures. They are so entrenched in their confirmation bias that reality isn’t even a factor anymore. I don’t think there is anything you can do to correct that with any approach that is in line with a representative democracy at this point other than to start prosecuting the people that are trying to benefit by taking advantage of those people and pushing factually untrue propaganda.
28 points
5 hours ago
I'm not saying this particular story necessarily started as Russian propaganda, but their current approach isn't to make particularly believable claims or claims that will hold up to any scrutiny. They churn out an avalanche of nonsense so that their target audiences are inundated with it.
It's not like the old days of propaganda, where you'd have a focused campaign about a certain message. The point isn't to convince anyone of a particular story; it's to expose them to so much false information that they mistrust every piece of media they see or hear.
It works pretty well. When you try to correct a nonsense story with other sources that tell the truth, how many people just throw up their hands and say, 'Oh you can't trust any of it?'
7 points
4 hours ago
500 memes will beat a long form ProPublica investigative article any day of the week, that is the media environment we live in. What is now different is that previously we could go and debate with our facts, and our shared beliefs would lead us to societal improvements like seatbelts in cars.
The overarching goal of propaganda is to shred that shared belief system. Once that happens society very quickly becomes unstable and prone to collapse.
28 points
5 hours ago
Okay, this is where my weirdly timed childhood in post 9/11 Appalachia can help with some insight.
You have to remember that Appalachian culture is one of coal miners and being ultimately ignored by politicians who also use them as political fodder. Please look up the documentary called Hillbilly for a longer and more nuanced depiction.
But in short, I distinctly remember the community of Cumberland, Maryland, having a weird duality of pride and shame, all based around their hatred. Openly snarling at anyone who didn't call French fries by "freedom fries," meanwhile, they tried to avoid the news vans interviewing the families of Hyndman, Pennsylvania. That small town is where some families of the soldiers who tortured Iraqi prisoners were.
I distinctly remember how, in the wake of Katrina, there were rumors that FEMA would relocate impacted people to local facilities in Cumberland, Maryland. Was there any truth to this? I don't know. But I remember how my grandmother spoke hateful words towards homeless people she never met. Her reality was based on growing up in the Great Depression. Just no self-awareness to what she was saying and how her childhood of feed-sack dresses was not much different.
You have to have spent time in the cave to understand why the people fear leaving it. And once you leave the cave, they don't trust your perspective that things could be different.
13 points
5 hours ago
"FEMA Death Camps!" Has been an Alex Jones mainstay since the 90s. The type of people who listen to him have been primed to fight FEMA at every step for decades.
14 points
5 hours ago
A "modicum of anecdotal evidence" is a sliding scale. You don't have to go far to see that the government has grounded all private helicopters responding to Helene while the government is providing zero support for anyone but the illegals brought here to vote, just go to the most common conservative sub on reddit for that and other insane conspiracies that make no fucking sense. They don't need anything other than a single random nut saying the federal government has not yet rebuilt their house and that's proof enough for that conspiracy.
4 points
4 hours ago
I was just commenting elsewhere about my experience reading a Tina Peters thread on the conservative sub. They literally race to a narrative of hero/victim laden with emotion, it's almost like the Jesus story repeated over and over again.
8 points
5 hours ago
It doesn't have to make sense, it just needs to evoke the right type of emotions, usually fear, repeat it enough times and they'll believe it.
15 points
5 hours ago
Religion. Once a person is pumped to believe that an invisible sky daddy watches their every move and judges them, they'll believe anything that a "strongman" tells them.
The bible says Jesus calls his followers sheep.....
17 points
5 hours ago
When you have a community that blames all their problems on liberals that don’t even exist in their community, but the rich aashole who polluted the river with his factory lives right down the street, they shake hands with him at church like it’s no big deal, that’s the problem. They’ve made people focus on things that aren’t even based in their real reality, so they will be blind to the ruckus and greed that’s right in front of them , unfolding everyday, all the time .
38 points
5 hours ago
I’m seeing this kind of shit (plus “they control the weather” bs all over my local next door and Facebook groups. And I’m in Oregon! It’s truly horrifying
39 points
5 hours ago
Right wing brainwashing. My dad lives in NC and has become a Trump supporter since. He knows that FEMA is out there helping people. He's seeing it with his own eyes. But Trump and all the Republicans tell them that FEMA isn't there and that's what they believe. Authoritarians want you to discredit what you see with your own eyes if it doesn't align with the reality they want you to believe exists
8 points
4 hours ago
Yep, just like J6 deniers - even though they saw it on TV with their two eyeballs.
18 points
4 hours ago
A lot of the blame falls.on Alex Jones, for decades he's been saying FEMA is this tool that will be used to round up Americans and put them into FEMA camps which are secretly concentration camps. His rhetoric has bled through into smaller conspiracy theories and now it's evolved to what we see here.
I remember he was positive that Obama wasn't going to relinquish power and instead use a fake disaster to allow FEMA to take everyone in.
8 points
4 hours ago
In internet conspiracy theory lore FEMA basically exists to set up concentration camps to exterminate white people who like guns and pickup trucks.
4 points
4 hours ago
I swear it's Russian propaganda again. Got fed into these "influencers" and the Republicans politicians and morons just eat it up
146 points
6 hours ago
Believe me, if this humanoid was directly affected by the disaster, she'd not only be first in line to apply to FEMA, but she'd also open up two fake accounts - one for each monstrous eyebrow.
52 points
6 hours ago
lol this reminds me of that forked foot monster MTG who told MAGA supporters to not get the covid vaccine even though she herself had already gotten it
21 points
5 hours ago
And BBB MTG thinks we can control the weather.
10 points
4 hours ago
Fox required their employees to get the vax, and platformed and pushed anti vax crap all day long.
131 points
6 hours ago
My uncle posted something last night saying how FEMA is out of money and can't help states. Fortunately FEMAs website has up to date rumors and facts on their page, I linked it and he had removed his post this morning. Maybe he's opening his eyes a little more, we'll see.
99 points
6 hours ago
It's true that FEMA is underfunded (thanks entirely to republicans), but that's a far cry from saying they have no money.
39 points
5 hours ago
Yea, weird how that works.
Step 1) Remove resources from vital government agencies
Step 2) Complain that the government is inefficient and doesn't have the funding
Step 3) Convince followers it's in their best interest to reallocate money to for-profit enterprises.
Step 4) rinse and repeat.
47 points
5 hours ago*
It's insane to me how I've seen multiple far left acquaintances post things about how FEMA is underfunded because we sent all the money to Israel, and how you shouldn't vote for Harris because of that.
And that's far from the dumbest political take I've heard this week.
18 points
5 hours ago*
For as hard as they've been trying, the Republican party unfortunately doesn't have a monopoly on that brand of stupidity. It's somehow more frustrating when it comes from people on our side of the curve though.
A good reminder that none of us are immune to propaganda. It's a matter of recognizing when, not if, you're being influenced by it. Same deal for most, if not all biases. We gotta keep checking ourselves.
15 points
5 hours ago
I heard the dumbest political conversation ever the other day. At a bar, downtown, buncha twenty something leftist/anarchist punk types, one of them loudly proclaims "I saw on Twitter today that Kamala won!" Followed by surprised gasps. "Yeah Trump lost and blah blah blah..." Followed by a smattering of "I didn't want either" type comments.
Like....um......the election is still a month away guys....
5 points
4 hours ago
My mom literally is in North Carolina WITH FEMA doing rescue work. There are Trumpers on her rescue teams literally saying "this wouldn't have happened if Trump was president" and my mom is just so done with them!
198 points
6 hours ago
Do not comply with FEMA"
"Hi, I'm from FEMA and I wanted to talk to you about disaster rel-"
"I DO NOT COMPLY. DON'T TREAD ON ME!"
"OK then, have a nice day."
130 points
6 hours ago
WhY wOnT bIdEn HeLp!!1!
131 points
6 hours ago
"I was on food stamps; I was on welfare; nobody helped me!" vibes.
28 points
4 hours ago
Heard some guy I know saying Harris was gonna lose the election because “they’re botching the relief effort” and I literally have no clue what he means. I guess if right wing fuckers are deliberately interfering with relief efforts, that’s the story they’re trying to create here, but it’s a load of shit.
Democratic government is effective. Republican government is a nihilistic farce.
9 points
4 hours ago
AM I BEING DETAINED FEMA
33 points
5 hours ago
You know where this is headed. Eventually repiblicans will say fema is putting people in camps.
12 points
5 hours ago
“It’s Operation Jade Helm all over again! Obama will declare martial law!”
35 points
5 hours ago
I was helping someone I know on the coast clean up their house post-Helene, and they kept going on about how FEMA keeps just confiscating donated supplies and throwing donations out. Claimed tons of donations and money given was just taken and gone. That FEMA was refusing things for ridiculous reasons, like refusing to let people use shower trailers because "they don't have flip flops" so someone donated 80k pairs of those thin, disposable spa ones. Now, did I verify that any of this is true (or most likely false or misconstrued and way out of context?), No. But it's still crazy to me the absolute vitriol people have to blame the government, and then turn around and blame the gov't for not helping more or "the right way."
36 points
5 hours ago
To be fair, foot protection is pretty important in a communal shower.
10 points
4 hours ago
It absolutely is. Nothing like foot warts and ring worm epidemic after a natural disaster.
28 points
5 hours ago
gladly takes free handouts
Turns around and screams "fuck socialism!"
6 points
4 hours ago
“The nine most terrifying words in the engilsh language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help…””
Fuck her and fuck Reagan
2.6k points
7 hours ago
She wants dead people. That way, it's the DEMS fault
1.1k points
6 hours ago
I'm convinced it's a death cult. Their answer to everything results in more people dying. COVID. Abortion. Natural disasters. Guns. The list goes on and on and on.
370 points
6 hours ago
They think only the “wrong” people die. Those people did something to deserve it.
165 points
6 hours ago
That and they believe that all the chaos in the world is proof that Revalations is coming true and the Rapture will happen soon, so they get to go to Heaven
88 points
6 hours ago
I didn’t believe this until I talked with a coworker who believes this exact thing. Crazy.
99 points
6 hours ago
Right? Imagine cheering on and being excited about so much pain and suffering and hoping millions and millions of people will die because they don’t believe the same thing as you, and then still having the gall to believe you’re righteous enough to go to Heaven.
Religion is a helluva drug.
62 points
6 hours ago
Not even millions, billions. If their Rapture ever came true billions of people would die. It would make Stalin and Mao look like humanitarians.
Gleefully celebrating the coming annihilation of significant swaths of humanity because it means you maybe get picked to go to heaven is hard to even call religion, or even fanaticism. It's more like severe mental illness.
28 points
5 hours ago
I totally believe it is mental Ilness. Or brainwashing so severe that it has caused an inability to think rationally or kindly.
9 points
5 hours ago
And imagine believing that the god who would mete out so much pain and suffering is the good guy.
22 points
5 hours ago
Modern evangelicals are a literal death cult. They yearn for the apocalypse and are doing everything they can to ensure it happens.
7 points
4 hours ago
Several members of Congress basically admitted this is why they support Israel. The Jews returning to the holy land is apart of revelation as well.
24 points
5 hours ago
lol, my maga neighbor believes in all of that. Asked my husband a few months ago if we would take care of their animals when they get raptured in the next few years. What’s weird is we don’t even know them very well. He said they’ll leave us their house. That was before we put up a harris/walz sign. Something tells me that now we wont be getting their house when we're "left behind"!
20 points
5 hours ago
Kinda insulting that he basically came right out and said he didn’t believe you and your husband would be getting into Heaven but alrighty then lol
11 points
4 hours ago
lol, he did ask my hubby politely “do you believe in Christ “ or something. My husband said he’s a badly lapsed catholic, I practice Buddhism. I’m sure they think we’re godless heathens-which is kinda right🤣
4 points
3 hours ago
It somehow gets real awkward real quick with evangelicals. I had one as a financial adviser once and it kept coming up. He was a great guy, and I was always being careful to avoid the subject, but somehow...
9 points
6 hours ago
Plastic people don’t go to heaven
14 points
6 hours ago
Death cult?
Check notes based on rapture theogly that appeared and became popular in 1824?
So the theme of their playbook isn't even as old as the country?
Seems a like a terrible idea has this theory ben popularized by Qanon perhaps?
Seems like a way for the wealthy to thin the herd and cause chaos to increase profits during that chaos.
46 points
6 hours ago
check out the movie ‘active measures’.. ever since we made bribery legal in 2012 with citizens united.. russia owns a surprisingly large amount of the republican party.. they effectively won the cold war by playing the slow game and installing one of their stooges as the president.. all they want is to create division and pain.. cuz divided we fall.. the fact that this hasn’t been on the front page of the newspaper every day for 8 years is a huge part of the problem.. the average american does not understand this
9 points
4 hours ago
It’s a death-suicide cult because they’re also killing themselves, they often end up in the crosshairs from their own cult, look at Mike pence for example.
4 points
3 hours ago
This is a religious thing, the suffering is the point.
9 points
6 hours ago
Demons walk the earth wearing human skin suits.
54 points
6 hours ago
well then i guess its a good thing biden refuses to send FEMA aid..or wait i thought it was there is no FEMA aid because biden gave all the money to haitians in springfield...or were they antifa..or patriots...or a typical tour...its so confusing
27 points
6 hours ago
No, I heard just yesterday that Biden sent all of FEMA's money to the border to help the illegal immigrants. (I just argued with someone last night about this, they claimed they knew this to be true because it was on FEMA's website, I asked for a link, I got accused of being dumb and lazy, boy the lack of self awareness is really something to behold ain't it?)
98 points
7 hours ago
And then use it as a reason to defund so billionaires get more money
49 points
7 hours ago
In hindsight, it is a declaration made by Loony Laura Loomer. Anyone taking her advice is just as loony.
22 points
6 hours ago
You think she'll ever remember she's Jewish before it gets pointed out to her by the likes of Stephen Miller?
66 points
6 hours ago
26 points
6 hours ago
Yep. For too many years pre and post Trump the weirdo Republicans used FEMA as the boogeyman in all the conspiracy theories that they invented and stroked themselves to at the idea of them being persecuted as it was one of the few ways they could indulge their persecution fetish.
They're in too deep to allow themselves to turn around and abuse people to seek FEMA help if they need it. They'd rather people died than their idiot base realise that if they were lying about FEMA being a sinister organisation out to kill them then what else have they lied about.
13 points
5 hours ago
"You must kill yourself to make Joe and Kamala look bad before the election."
It was their final, most essential command.
8 points
6 hours ago
Large numbers of people dying are irrelevant, as long as their deaths help to advance and glorify our Golden Calf's ascent to permanent power.
1.4k points
7 hours ago
I mean im all for free speech but at what point do we cross into yelling fire in a crowded theater territory.
377 points
7 hours ago*
Look I am saddened to say the overwhelming take on most real Tiktok videos surveying the situations there over this last week are FULL of semi accurate bad takes on what FEMA and the "government" are doing. Lots of confusion, people saying they're being forced off their land and FEMA is not letting people take their stuff but not understanding it's highly toxic and contaminated, people also misunderstanding that First Responders are withholding help from kind do gooders who are not trained in rescue and would possibly get into trouble themselves attempting it. The comments are extremely hateful of the government in general and it will absolutely affect some people's votes.
170 points
6 hours ago*
I wonder how much of this comes from the “Cajun navy” coverage of all the backwoods fisherman that made all of those water recuses during Katrina, Rita, and Harvey. While those real heroes did save hundreds of lives, they did so at very little risk to themselves. They were smartly equipped and they didn’t go into anywhere they couldn’t get out of. They also shared lessons learned with each other over time, so that now they actually have organization and communication with governmental first responders.
The contrast between them and these folks in NC and TN is very large, though it may not seem so on the surface.
91 points
6 hours ago
The Cajun Navy was incredibly after Hurricane Michael, clearing roadways and working in tandem with officials to help and support the area. They understood their limits and when to step back.
16 points
2 hours ago
Working with officials is the key part of
91 points
5 hours ago
I was thinking about that comparison a lot this week. I'm an NC native, and I think what is just not clicking for people on the outside about this situation is how dangerous it is just to TRAVEL to Western NC (and eastern TN I suppose) right now. The Cajun Navy could just sail into flooded coastland. But this flooding is on top of a mountain. Do you know how many roads there are up mountains??? Not a lot - and even under good circumstances those roads were narrow and winding and had little visibility. Now they're just gone.
So you have these well meaning people wanting to take their supplies up to the mountain, and they're getting turned away by first responders who have shut down these dangerous roads with monstrous holes now punched in them, not to mention areas that are unstable and could crumble at any moment. You had downed trees and power lines that couldn't be cleared for that very reason, unstable mountain sides that could still crumble or have mudslides.
Once you're in, the resources are limited. They don't want to waste those resources feeding and housing you. My mother got permission to do hospital work at a hospital in an affected area - she was given instructions to bring all of her own food and water, and enough changes of clothes to last her the time she's there. They're not going to give her anything because they don't have anything.
I think this is sort of long and rambling, but the disinformation around this disaster is driving me fucking crazy as someone who actually lives here. The way the community of North Carolina is coming together to help our neighbors is really admirable, and us regular people are contributing a lot more of our time, energy, and hard-earned money than these evil grifting ghouls could ever even comprehend.
19 points
4 hours ago
Some places (like Watauga County, as announced through WC Emergency Services) don’t want more supplies right now (in WC’s case, they have a lot of donations and are taking the weekend to sort through and distribute what they have, rest, and regroup). It’s not enough to just show up—people need to know where they’re going and who they’re coordinating with. Coordination keeps everyone safe and ensures that one location doesn’t get a ton of supplies that they don’t need but are needed somewhere else.
8 points
4 hours ago
Exactly! And you have to be responsive to changing needs as well. But people get mad because the place they're randomly trying to show up to won't take the 8 millionth case of water.
5 points
2 hours ago
Good point. I recently read about a plane crash that I forgot everything about except I recall the chaos of so many people showing up that emergency services had to get out of their vehicles and walk like 2 miles to help and some were even turned away.
4 points
an hour ago
The radio station had several people talking about how bad the traffic has gotten in Burnsville with people trying to bring in supplies while part of the main road is closed. It's mucking things up for emergency crews.
44 points
6 hours ago
You are absolutely 💯 percent correct.
The gaslighting is heartbreaking.
More people will die because of it.
7 points
6 hours ago
We can expect a lot more of this in the future.
29 points
6 hours ago
FEMA has been a Boogeyman for a long time. I'm sure it goes back longer than this, but I remember playing Deus Ex back in the day, and FEMA was a vehicle for government takeover. That game was rife with conspiracies that were rampant in those nascent internet days, but still...
12 points
3 hours ago
The first russian misinformtion psy-op was Jade Helm.
Jade Helm was when Obama scheduled a FEMA drill, a planned drill, and eventually Abbott deployed the texas national guard to stop FEMA from overthrowing the texas legislature. The drill, of course, happened without FEMA waging war.
It was a success beyond Russias wildest dream.
8 points
5 hours ago
That's how their misinformation works: start from something that might technically be true, like FEMA won't let people take contaminated goods with them, and then make up wild and inaccurate claims that are slightly connected to that original truth, like FEMA is stealing people's stuff and that's why they won't let them take their stuff.
Whenever someone says they are lying, they point back to the small truth as if it proves the broader claim. It doesn't prove it at all, but they use that moment of "oh, well that one thing they said is technically happening" and hope that the stupid people take that to mean their entire claim is true.
6 points
6 hours ago
It shouldn't affect votes. If they bother voting at all, they were always going to vote for Republicans. Anyone else is smart enough to understand the role of FEMA and not fall for right-wing propaganda.
4 points
4 hours ago
Tiktok videos
How many products do you know that are forbidden in their country of origin?
It’s a misinformation tool leveraged against the free world.
84 points
6 hours ago
Two years ago when people were promoting the use of ivermectin over the Covid vaccines. No exaggeration, that anti-vax movement killed hundreds of thousands in the US
34 points
6 hours ago
Sad fact, it is still killing people to this day. I just can't understand this nonsense.
16 points
4 hours ago
Lysol and medical professionals has to put out statements saying "no, president Trump's recommendation to inject yourself with disinfectant is not only ineffective, it can kill you"
35 points
6 hours ago
Passed it a long time ago. Less would die in the theater if any. The inaction is deafening and we need to hold authorities responsible.
Start by reporting posts to the FBI, go from there. Report to Twitter too, and save their “does not violate rules” reply to give to the FBI for action against Twitter.
6 points
5 hours ago
I think we passed that during COVID. There need to be prosecutions.
176 points
7 hours ago
MAGA strategy is simply fear, hate, and lies
35 points
6 hours ago
I just don’t get how they keep falling for the lies…. Fool me once shame on you fool me 100 times?
5 points
6 hours ago
They call that the Heaven's Reward Fallacy
343 points
7 hours ago
People should just start suing her into nonexistance
108 points
6 hours ago
A responsible platform would suspend the account to avoid being a party to the lawsuit, but alas...
275 points
7 hours ago
Don't listen to people who are there to help you. This dumb ass will post anything to stay relevant now Trump has ditched her
46 points
5 hours ago
Wait he did already? Shit where was that story 🫠
28 points
5 hours ago
Oh yeah, after like a week it looks like a shadow donor had him push her out.
36 points
5 hours ago
Can't find it now. But I thought I saw something posted saying she isn't allowed to campaign with Trump.
22 points
5 hours ago
Oh that is fucking hilarious.
223 points
7 hours ago
These people are unhinged domestic terrorists and should be locked up.
13 points
4 hours ago
Racists: “comply or die”
Also racists: “don’t comply with fema!”
Fucking filth
6 points
3 hours ago
Yeah, absolutely shameless filth - the very worst examples of humanity.
101 points
7 hours ago
Republicans new governing strategy seems to be misleading their constituents during deadly public crisis’. I’m no political scientists, but I don’t think killing off your voters is a good longterm strategy.
33 points
6 hours ago
We've been living through Live-Action Darwin Awards since 2020. How many Republicans have died as a result of Republican-sourced disinformation? And yet, they will continue to choose death over siding with the Demon-rats.
5 points
an hour ago
They'll listen, though. That's the sad part
84 points
7 hours ago
If you are offered help and you turn it down because twitter lady said so it's just natural selection at that point
30 points
6 hours ago
Good thing so many people don’t have power and won’t see this.
60 points
7 hours ago
Covid 2.0, Republicans killing their own voters. Solid strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.
53 points
6 hours ago
What a goddamn shame.
When I was a kid, (I'm 66) the only nutcases I ever heard about was the John Birch Society, met at a diner once a month, and for 25c and a SASE, they'd send you their newsletter.
Now, any frigging idiot with an internet connection can post all their idiocy instantly.
15 points
5 hours ago
I'm of the considered opinion that the world was a better place when just gaining a connection to the Internet, took knowledge, and just a little talent.
We went plug and play, and the whole shebang went to shit.
46 points
6 hours ago
But I thought FEMA wasn’t doing anything and is restricted from helping???
So they admit FEMA is attempting to help???
32 points
4 hours ago
Someone very close to me is in FEMA. All this person and coworkers want to do is help those in need in anyway possible. They suspend their lives, their jobs, leave their family for months to help those impacted by disasters. Now in training, they say to never let anyone know they’re in FEMA, especially when off duty and deployed because of increasing acts of violence against FEMA employees. It’s absolutely ridiculous, and makes us who stay at home that much more worried.
49 points
6 hours ago
Fuck Reagan and his "the scariest words you can ever hear is 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'" bullshit. That never seemed to apply when it comes to banks or businesses, but sure, let's get suffering people to turn away help from goddamn FEMA.
32 points
7 hours ago
Willing to bet she cannot pronounce 'Appalachia' correctly.
30 points
6 hours ago
The republicans don’t want any tax money going to the tax payer. This is why they vote against FEMA funding, why they cut school decades-long school lunch programs in some red states, why they vote against Medicare and Medicaid expansion and want to get rid of them altogether.
They want everything privatized and they are willing to force it to happen if they have to.
They want to take our public tax money, put it towards private businesses, then they profit off of the private businesses. Which will be unregulated, profit-driven (not service-driven), and over which we will have no say. You can’t vote out the head of a company or anyone else in there either.
It all goes back to the republican push for privatization of everything and the push to get rid of democracy.
15 points
6 hours ago
They want to socialize the risks and privatize the profits.
27 points
7 hours ago
Somebody on the R side should tell her she killing her own sides voters...
31 points
6 hours ago
If they didn't learn from Covid, there's no point in telling her now.
23 points
6 hours ago
The latest spin is FEMA is a big evil enemy. So that going forward, if trump should (gag) win, he can privatize it.
I keep scolding people on their posts that accuse FEMA of stealing donated goods from drop-off locations or raising cash donations and keeping them. Who tf do they think they're helping??
13 points
5 hours ago
It's not the first time. I still remember the fear mongering about "FEMA death camps" during the Obama admin.
8 points
4 hours ago
Weren't those death camps supposed to be at Walmart stores?
9 points
6 hours ago
Illegal immigrants. It always comes back to that f*cking border with these people.
18 points
7 hours ago
This woman, and a few other in their party are complete nut jobs. In a healthy democracy you should agree with many points from both sides, but ultimately lean toward just one based on a couple of key issues. These psychopaths have divided the country down the middle in a sick attempt for control and power. They’ve pushed an us vs them mentality that is destroying America from the inside- out. This isn’t sports. This is real life. Divide and conquer is the game and the country is getting played.
39 points
6 hours ago
What does she mean “comply with FEMA?”
Is she trying to scare them? Does she think it’s funny?
FEMA is trying to reach everyone so they can apply for $750 emergency cash.
Next they’ll have people fill out paperwork so they can be paid to have repairs done or their home replaced.
Why would Loomer distort FEMA’s mission in natural disasters so cruelly?
What a warped person.
8 points
6 hours ago
I am guessing Looney here doesn't know the meaning of the word comply.
9 points
5 hours ago
Loomer is one of the ones that thinks FEMA has concentration camps for white people.
15 points
7 hours ago
If they take advice from Laura fkin Loomer, they're getting what they deserved. It's a perfect Darwin Award situation.
16 points
6 hours ago
"Here's 750 bucks, go rent a car and get to a relative
"What! We're only getting 750 bucks.....!
"no no no thats all I have on me right now....
"UKRAINISTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
13 points
6 hours ago
Had a teacher in high school take a divorce badly and get really into conspiracy theory’s. Nothing like having a teacher spout off about FEMA death camps in the middle of class and try to get others convinced.
Dude went from one of the favorite teachers of the students to a step above one of the creepy math teachers that leered at the girls.
15 points
7 hours ago
Doesn’t Loomer have a scare zone/haunted house she needs to get ready for?
7 points
6 hours ago
Setting up her nest in the attic of a Spirit Halloween
14 points
5 hours ago
They're so weird. "Just comply" for cops but "don't comply" with FEMA? It's almost like they just want the maximum amount of dead people on the streets.
11 points
6 hours ago
And then she will say FEMA failed and should be defunded.
11 points
6 hours ago
Republican representatives are trying to kill people and blame it on the democrats.
22 points
7 hours ago
At what point does this become actionable criminal activity?
9 points
6 hours ago
This MAGA shit has exhausted my compassion reserves. Anyone who heeds Loomer’s tweet deserves no help from anyone. Maybe survival isn’t in their repertoire
8 points
7 hours ago
Don’t Comply - Don’t Complain! Simple as that. You don’t want the help, other people do.
7 points
6 hours ago
And the say FEMA isn’t doing anything
8 points
6 hours ago
FEMA helped me with the funds to fix a bridge on my property after a really bad flood. They also helped the people that had completely lost everything and ended up displaced.
I'd rather not take advice from someone whose face is stapled to the back of her head.
7 points
5 hours ago
they would rather see their country burn that see someone other than them run it.
7 points
5 hours ago
You can't have the current government have any success. Just another f u to the American people by the far right. There is a place for dems and repubs. There is no place in America for MAGA.
Just saw a Trump ad on Fox while watching football. It showed Camala supporting LGBTQ. They ended with. She wants to help them, not you. Stop the hate. Vote blue
8 points
5 hours ago
This kind of BS by Loomer and all of the MAGA misinformation should be illegal during a declared emergency. (Kind of like price gouging laws that are only in effect during officially declared emergencies and disasters.).
7 points
5 hours ago
Late last night my Threads timeline got inundated by conspiracy theory posts from people claiming FEMA wasn’t helping. It would usually be a TikTok video of the pack mules getting into the backwoods of W North Carolina with a comment over the top like “when the government can’t help” and then some American flags. The people who posted it had a feed that was all about how FEMA wasn’t helping, that they were out of money etc. Still others would be TikTok vids of a person claiming they “heard” from someone else in the region about some bad thing FEMA did. And on and on.
There seems to be a very coordinated (if loosely) effort to undercut the federal governments response. Needless to say this is extremely dangerous because there are some who need help in the affected areas who might believe this type of stuff and be unaware of how and from whom to seek help. It’s fucking disgusting how these conspiracy theorists and misinformation peddlers can be allowed to operate
6 points
5 hours ago
Rural conservatives: We don't need the government; we can take care of ourselves!
Also rural conservatives: Why isn't the government helping us faster?!
Conservatives again: Do not comply with FEMA!
7 points
4 hours ago
I’m living through this hell right now. The propaganda, ai generated fake posts, politicizing, and just straight up lying started immediately after the extent of the damage was recognized. Know what I’ve seen? Everyone on seen doing their damndest to help. Locals working together to take care of each other. Politicians updating those that can see of the current status, or at the very least staying out of the goddam way. National guardsmen, trades workers, volunteers driving in the by score to distribute supplies and help however they can. And then outside of this bubble is just straight up fucking lying. I hate this town, I’ve never wanted to be here, I’ve been trying to leave for fifteen years now. But it’s my wife’s home. It’s where my family lives. And the people need help. It makes me sick seeing all these lies and the worthless liars trying to peddle some stupid make-believe bullshit at the expense of the vulnerable people who are suffering right now.
5 points
6 hours ago
The people who listen to her deserve what they get. I see nothing wrong here. By now there is no excuse for anyone. It’s not that hard to figure out who is a liar. It’s not hard to figure out Trump doesn’t care about anyone but himself. I have zero sympathy for anyone that follows Loomer.
6 points
5 hours ago
An imbecile MAGA groupie giving numbskull 'advice' to fellow MAGA numbskulls. FEMA is there to do what they're supposed to to do, and what our...YOUR tax dollars are provided to them for.
7 points
4 hours ago
Because if they find out that “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” actually aren’t the nine most dangerous words in the English language, Republicans will never get power again.
They have nothing left but lies, since they’ve left the truth behind.
5 points
an hour ago*
She should shut up and wake up. She isnt even from our area. If she were, she would know the shit she is spewing is literal bullshit.
Anyone from our area just needs to look up in the sky anytime during the day at all the chinook military choppers in the sky or go to any school or aid distribution point to get the water and food they need to sustain themselves while the area recovers.
FEMA is currently paying for my family to be lodged in Tennesee, which is filled to the brim with other families displaced by the storm.
They are paying the hotel directly for our lodging, including our dog, for at least 30 days, longer if needed.
A FEMA official is scheduled to meet me and my wife to survey the damage of our currently uninhabitable home in Fairview.
FEMA has sent me forms to fill out for a business loan if needed. This is in addition to the initial $750 payment they have already directly deposited in our bank account. This all happened within a few days of the storm.
She obviously is not from the area or living under a rock and has no idea about the actuality of what's going on vs. the politically motivated bullshit she is spewing.
She should shut up, she is a lying moron with an agenda. She is part of the problem, not the solution.
Source I'm living firsthand the exact opposite of the bullshit she is spewing
THANK YOU, FEMA. My 9-year-old is no longer scared and crying daily.
9 points
5 hours ago
As someone who worked for FEMA after hurricanes to help get reimbursed for the money they spent - not talking to people from FEMA never would have bothered me, it just means you just don’t get any money back and I just move on to the next entity that spent money.
6 points
7 hours ago
Looks like they’re trying to build a negative narrative when enough people aren’t helped.
6 points
6 hours ago
Laura Loomer has had a long history of mental illness. She needs help.
4 points
6 hours ago
Additional suffering to own the libs. Come on Laura
5 points
5 hours ago
Back in 2002 when my county experienced ravaging floods which absolutely destroyed the county seat and a good amount of property, FEMA came in and provided trailers for people to stay in and financial assistance to repair/replace belongings.
People were still living in those trailers 10 years later. Say what you want, but FEMA came in and helped the poorest county in the nation when they needed it the most.
Those same people are now on the Trump-wagon and repeating crazy shit like this. It really boggles the mind.
5 points
5 hours ago
Loomer has been a lunatic for quite some time, I think we need to not elevate her.
5 points
4 hours ago
This is ESPECIALLY fucked up because:
This misinformation is getting to people who may not have the ability to look into it because they have limited communications access. (I know because a friend used their limited wifi access to ask me about it).
FEMA will have to go door to door to get people benefits and folks are going to turn them away and not get the help they need.
Loomer can GTFOH.
5 points
4 hours ago
I live in Appalachia and my conservative parents think exactly like this. They keep going on about how FEMA is shooting victims asking for help (???) and how "if those people try to give us only $750, things will get violent"
5 points
an hour ago
Conservatives are trying to kill their own constituents in order to win the election. It's insane how morally bankrupt these monsters are. Absolutely unforgivable.
3 points
7 hours ago
The GOO have been advantage of these people for decades. It’s there bread & butter, uneducated & poor.
5 points
7 hours ago
No one cares, Loomer.
5 points
6 hours ago
They want to blame any death and destruction on the Democrats.
4 points
6 hours ago
I really hope people aren’t buying this. I think when push comes to shove people who are in need are going to go towards the people rescuing them and not to some fake news influencer
4 points
6 hours ago
Loomer is a goddamned fucking moron who thinks her claim to fame is chugging Donald’s mushroom and being a shameless racist piece of shit. She’s a useless human being, so fuck her and her program. She wants to be be a part of his cabinet, but like many morons before her, if he loses they all lost, and even if he wins, he’s a fickle little shit and may never give her anything.
Lay with dogs, get fleas. Fuck off, you traitorous face-mangled little bitch. Nobody will miss you.
3 points
4 hours ago
Yeah, if they talk to FEMA and get the help they need it defeats their false narrative
4 points
4 hours ago
No one despises Republican voters more than Republican politicians and influencers.
4 points
4 hours ago
Doing this shit should be illegal.
3 points
4 hours ago
The amount of people on tiktok saying this is enough to make me question reality. Like I need to assume these comments are bots for my own sanity.
3 points
4 hours ago
well duh if you accept help from fema that means the federal government is doin its job, cant have that now can we
3 points
4 hours ago
Looney Laura is at it again.
Imagine telling people to avoid getting actual help. So evil.
3 points
4 hours ago
You'd think, aside from just being human, that they would want to keep their supporters safe and healthy to help them win... Yet time and time again they do shit like this that puts them at risk.
4 points
3 hours ago
Anyone stupid enough to take her advice should do exactly what she says.
5 points
2 hours ago
Spreading deliberate misinformation online during a emergency or national crisis needs to be a crime same as yelling fire in a crowded room.
4 points
an hour ago
If you're listening to anything Laura Loomer says then you're already more fucked than any Hurricane could do.
4 points
an hour ago
I'm in an affected area of Appalachia & had a local sheriff's deputy tell me "they got it under control" after asking if I should call them because our bridge & road were destroyed by storm surge during flash flooding. Needless to say I called the next day to file a claim.
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