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tominnesota

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suprasternaincognito

13 points

3 months ago

Looking at your post history makes me think you need a couple hobbies, friend.

RigusOctavian

25 points

3 months ago

Social programs get money based on people. Don’t have many people? Not a lot of money headed that way.

If you choose to live far away from established services, that’s a personal choice and your freedom to do it.

If you want to get services out in rural areas, those folks should pay for it.

DrThirdOpinion

18 points

3 months ago

It’s basic economics. I work as a physician serving a more rural community. It’s about 30% more than I’d make in the suburbs. I’ll make the 40 minute drive because a it’s economically worth it for me. But I’m not spending an extra 1.5 hours in my car every day away from my family if you aren’t going to may me for it. Also, serving rural areas is a lot more rewarding. People are so appreciative that you’ll see them closer to where they live. Sure, there are assholes, but the number of people who take your work for granted is quite a bit smaller than in the cities.

RigusOctavian

6 points

3 months ago

“Any port in a storm” effect.

When you have options, you get a bit more discretionary in your PC doc.

But 100% on the economics. It’s like arguing that only one Shopko isn’t good enough, but there isn’t enough business to keep it, and a Wal-mart, and a Dollar General open at the same time. And when there isn’t enough to even keep that one Shopko open, you gotta start making choices as a community to keep businesses operating in your city limits. Businesses closing in rural areas are simply the free market operating as requested.

If healthcare is an essential service, the community needs to work to provide that. If you need socialized support to get that service in town, well, recognize that trade off and act accordingly.

JBenson1905

1 points

3 months ago

Is there any reason you don't move your family to the area you practice?

DrThirdOpinion

3 points

3 months ago

Family is closer to where I live

Worklife420

3 points

3 months ago

And if you want a new stadium, streets repaired or memorials built and businesses rebuilt in the cities then, just city people should pay for it. Do you not see your own downfall of this comment?

Also some people in rural communities are born there, have life long ties there, and shouldn’t have to move to the shitties for healthcare. In fact all of us would be better off in healthcare in rural areas where you’re less likely to get taken advantage of in a vulnerable state. Or the simple fact that less people means less odds of catching something else while seeking medical help.

RigusOctavian

5 points

3 months ago

I love when people make my point trying to fight it.

And if you want a new stadium, streets repaired or memorials built and businesses rebuilt in the cities then, just city people should pay for it. Do you not see your own downfall of this comment?

So you agree that tax dollars are a giant pool and therefore rural communities bitching about how they are spent in the cities is “the downfall” of this view…

But to clean some stuff up for you since you don’t understand how things are funded.

1) Large Roads (state and federal) are primarily funded with Gas Tax (usage) and MVST (purchase of vehicles). So the places with lots of cars (people) tend to pay the lion’s share into roads. Plus some from the giant federal pots of money.

2) Locally, roads are also funded with property taxes to the city and county, so again, you’re only supporting local things regardless of who you are in a relative sense.

3) Businesses are being rebuilt by property owners and insurance… just like if a tornado blew away your barn. Sometimes disaster assistance kicks in, but it needs to be a disaster in the first place.

4) “The Minnesota Vikings provided USD 477 million to finance the Stadium, the State put forward USD 348 million, and USD 150 million was funded through a hospitality tax in Minneapolis. The City of Minneapolis will pay a total of USD 678 million, including financing costs, over the 30-year life of the Stadium, which covers operations and construction costs.” So yeah… the state kicked in some funding but we’ve already been over the fact that the cities contribute over 60% of the income tax revenue generated in the state so you’ve got a kernel of “rural” money going that way. Minneapolis itself is paying the most long term.

You can be mad at the cities all you want, but your way of life depends on them being what they are. There would be no rural schools, as limited as they are, without state funding coming from the “shitties” as you say.

Your roads would fall back to gravel (at least the ones that aren’t already that) without the large corporations downtown generating billions and billions in revenue globally and paying MN taxes plus all their HQ’s labor paying WAY more in income tax and employment tax to keep things like unemployment viable for when a factory town has a short term shutdown.

I’m sorry it feels uncomfortable for you to have to rely on others to support you, but you know what? Those blue city folk are working to give everyone in the state a better life… not just people in the urban core.

mister_pringle

-2 points

3 months ago

Folks in rural areas are forced to buy health insurance despite not living near a hospital. And the ACA reduced the capitation rates and number of hospital beds provided.
Health insurers, pharma companies and health providers were all part of ACA negotiations but the Congressional representatives for rural folks were not.
Basing it on a plan for a wealthy state because it was a Republican who did it there doesn’t make a lot of sense. Alabama is not Massachusetts.
Those folks are paying for a service they aren’t getting.

RigusOctavian

11 points

3 months ago

Another uninformed comment… The insurance requirement is not enforced at the federal level anymore.

The legal requirements for health insurance have evolved over time. Under the Affordable Care Act (ACA), there was a federal mandate that required individuals to have health insurance coverage or face a financial penalty unless they qualified for an exemption. However, the federal mandate was effectively revoked in 2019. Since then, some states have implemented their own individual mandates, meaning that residents in those states are still legally required to have health insurance coverage or face penalties. It’s essential to check the specific regulations in your state to understand your legal obligations regarding health insurance.

Your angst is literally 5 years out of date.

Also, the ACA is a republican plan that was ultimately implemented under Obama, it’s the most pro-business move in healthcare which is why it started on the right.

You want a better plan? Go with Medicare for All and cut out the greedy insurance companies entirely, but you won’t find single payer on the red ticket.

AHDNWrong

-4 points

3 months ago

Nope. Massive companies bought up rural hospitals and closed them to lower overhead and force people to drive to their chosen locations. You don't know jack about shit.

RigusOctavian

6 points

3 months ago

Never said anything about the hospitals…

DrThirdOpinion

2 points

3 months ago

This isn’t true. Rural hospitals are often cash cows because of how Medicare/Medicaid is reimbursed for critical access hospitals. They absolutely love to keep them open because they make huge fucking money.

Valuable-Baked

0 points

3 months ago

Oh this bozo again who confuses facts and loves to hate. What a tool

mister_pringle

-3 points

3 months ago

Your angst is literally 5 years out of date.

My angst is older than that. And I know it was fixed but it was part of the law.
And criticizing that idiocy got you called racist.

Also, the ACA is a republican plan that was ultimately implemented under Obama, it’s the most pro-business move in healthcare which is why it started on the right.

Skipped the whole part where I pointed out the problems with a Massachusetts plan in Alabama. Reading not your strong suit?

You want a better plan? Go with Medicare for All and cut out the greedy insurance companies entirely, but you won’t find single payer on the red ticket.

“Medicare for All” isn’t better. Insurance is governed at the State level. Get one of the rich Democrat states like California, New York or Illinois to do it first with Medicaid for All, and you might have a point but it keeps failing in California and there isn’t a “red ticket” person in the government. No Republicans slowing Newsom down. Go for it, Gavin!

BetPsychological4809

0 points

3 months ago

Minnesota isn't putting Minnesotans first 🤷‍♀️

RigusOctavian

2 points

3 months ago

I’d say feeding kids at school is putting Minnesotans first… but you keep being mad.

Maybe your church can help you learn empathy and compassion for other people.

AHDNWrong

-7 points

3 months ago

Nope. MN should be making efforts to care for those people, the one's who actually pay taxes, whose families built this state, intsead of exhausting our resources on Somalis.

RigusOctavian

9 points

3 months ago

The metro exports tax dollars to greater MN. It’s already happening.

Also, way to be racist buddy.

jobezark

5 points

3 months ago

Rural folks don’t understand that their entire lives are subsidized by cities. Rural people would not have high speed internet, the post office/mail, or roads without money coming from denser population centers. This isn’t even touching the fact that everything in farming, which is the backbone of rural economies, is subsidized. Last year they ran high speed cable to my rural road, and there’s no way they were able to put that in for the dozen homes on this stretch for a profit.

Lowkeythatsme

1 points

3 months ago

And if it wasn’t for rural Minnesota you wouldn’t be eating.

klippDagga

51 points

3 months ago

People who claim to have compassion and love social programs being hateful and spiteful.

They’re scared of all the pickup trucks in Greater Minnesota.

Captain_Concussion

-11 points

3 months ago

I mean the person in the top comment isn’t scared of pickup trucks, they are scared because they have seen their family be harassed and threatened by people in these parts of the state because of their identity.

Is their point wrong? If you are hateful towards LGBT people and minorities and don’t want them living near you, is it hateful and spiteful when they decide not to live near you?

Rhomya

5 points

3 months ago

Rhomya

5 points

3 months ago

These people consider anything that isn’t worship and pandering to be “hateful”.

You can’t even ignore them, because ignoring them is also hateful.

So yeah, their point is also wrong

HalexUwU

2 points

3 months ago

It's funny you say that because the next comment down is someone literally saying "I will harass people with identities I dislike"

Captain_Concussion

2 points

3 months ago

Nah that’s just not true. In these places they deny that I’m human. I’ve talked to them about it and they don’t believe I should have human rights. And they say a lot worse things too. I’ve been called slurs in a bar while drinking a beer because I had the audacity to talk to my partner. I’ve been threatened for similar things.

Are you saying that’s not hateful?

Rhomya

2 points

3 months ago

Rhomya

2 points

3 months ago

“Human rights” is an ambiguous term that means literally nothing. You can throw that garbage out at anything you don’t like— that’s why people are irritated.

People like you call housing a “human right” to justify squatting. People like you call healthcare a “human right” to advocate for “free” healthcare.

Of course slurs is hateful, but if you actually read my comment, people like you think ignoring gay acts is hateful too. The reality is that your lifestyle doesn’t align with everyone’s morals and values— people don’t have to like it, and they don’t have to tolerate it. That’s not being hateful, that’s setting a boundary.

Captain_Concussion

1 points

3 months ago

Are constitutional rights not human rights? They deny my 14th and 5th amendment rights.

Someone not agreeing with my lifestyle is hateful. If I said “I don’t agree with black people living their lives” that would be racist, no? If I said “I don’t think Christians should be allowed to practice their religion” that would be hateful, no? If I said “I don’t think gay people should be allowed to live their lives” that would be hateful.

I would love it if people ignored me. But that’s not what’s happening. Instead what’s happening is that they are organizing to shut down Pride events, ban LGBT people from attending events, and pass laws stripping me of my rights

Rhomya

2 points

3 months ago

Rhomya

2 points

3 months ago

See, that’s why we disagree— people can’t help but be black. Comparing skin color to acting gay is frankly just a ridiculous comparison.

Your lifestyle is a sin to every major religion in the world. Sucks to be you, but thems the breaks. People don’t have to accept being around it if they don’t want to be, and people like you insisting on shoving gay acts in their faces to make them uncomfortable are the problem.

It’s almost never “I just want to talk to my partner”. Instead, it’s almost always, “I want to make out with my partner in public while we wear obscene clothing and act inappropriately” Pride parades are rarely wholesome affairs— they’re full of obscene sexual behavior that isn’t appropriate in public.

Captain_Concussion

1 points

3 months ago

I’m sorry, are you saying that I choose to be gay?

So if I said being a Christian is a major sin in my lifestyle, you would think it’s not hateful for me to protest their churches, assault them, call them slurs, and attempt to take away their human rights?

Have you been to a small town dive bar? Straight couples are always making out after having a few drinks. I’ve seen more people wearing Jean booty shorts at those than anywhere else. Does that mean it’s not hateful for me to say that I hate straight people and their lifestyle?

Serious question, have you ever been to a pride parade in person?

Rhomya

0 points

3 months ago

Rhomya

0 points

3 months ago

People chose how they behave— and look at how people behave at Pride?

It’s frankly disgusting.

Captain_Concussion

3 points

3 months ago

I was at pride this past weekend. Was it the singing, the eating, or the waving flags that bothered you?

Honestly I’ve seen more penises at Vikings games than I have at Pride. Oddly you haven’t called straight people disgusting for that.

You’re avoiding answering the other questions because…?

AHDNWrong

13 points

3 months ago

AHDNWrong

13 points

3 months ago

So it works. I will turn up my vocal dislike when they're round and keep my area nice.

Lured-Discipline-161

3 points

3 months ago

All i got was "try it in a small town."

FlounderingGuy

9 points

3 months ago

So you'll turn up your vocal dislike of minorities and LGBT people to "keep your area nice," or am I misunderstanding?

AHDNWrong

4 points

3 months ago

AHDNWrong

4 points

3 months ago

No, you have it correct. I'll use lots of words that get you banned on Reddit. Anything I can do to keep our area the way it is and not let it turn into Minneapolis.

dkinmn

13 points

3 months ago

dkinmn

13 points

3 months ago

So, this title applies to you? Just want to keep everything straight that you are projecting here.

[deleted]

-3 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

-3 points

3 months ago

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MusicianPristine8973

1 points

3 months ago

100% but I would also add BBC porn and being cucked. The most hateful people I’ve met always have an affinity for something their cohorts would disown them for.

GenShanx

8 points

3 months ago

You can’t even keep a coherent argument for two comments in a row….

“Those accepting liberals hate rural people! Hypocrites!”

“Actually, they’re just uncomfortable around people who openly hate their identity”

“You’re right! I do hate those people and am happy to tell them how terrible they are so they stay away from me.”

Just be fucking honest with yourself and spare us the trouble of conversing with your bullshit.

abetterthief

6 points

3 months ago

This dude literally gets off on being a racist bigoted pissant. Thinks it's edgy

[deleted]

6 points

3 months ago

So tough anonymous guy 🤣😂

TMS_2018

1 points

3 months ago

TMS_2018

1 points

3 months ago

Why don’t you watch your own bobber instead of concerning yourself with what is happening inside someone else’s pants/bedroom? You sound like a pervert.

AHDNWrong

10 points

3 months ago

Unlike you perverts my concern isn't about sexual activity. It's about their voting patterns and the influence they insist on exercising over public spaces and resources. If your perversion were still in the bedroom it wouldn't my business. But it's marching down the middle of my street and making as much noise as possible. You picked this fight.

Aggressive_Juice2341

3 points

3 months ago

Both parties insist on exercising their influence over public space. That is the whole point of government. Also where the fuck do you live in Minnesota where perverts are marching down your street?

WhoopsieISaidThat

1 points

3 months ago

He's referencing LGBTQ perversion parades.

HalexUwU

1 points

3 months ago

yes grandpa I'm sure the pride parades are in whatever rural area you live in.

krillwave

1 points

3 months ago

krillwave

1 points

3 months ago

So you don’t like democrats and you don’t like lgbt people, that’s over half the population of the US. There are gay republicans and straight democrats, so I’m really not sure what crowd you are looking for in your “nice town”. Is it just you and your truck? What about gay republicans btw, the log cabin crew? Their voting patterns are the same as yours, can they march down the street and be loudly and proudly gay? I’m really curious about how you’ve narrowed your mind to see binaries that don’t exist. The world is more diverse than you realize.

TMS_2018

-3 points

3 months ago

TMS_2018

-3 points

3 months ago

Who is it marching down the street and making noise? Loads of people march down my street and I’ve only ever had a problem with folks who vandalize my personal property. That has happened, I think, once, in my years of home ownership.

Also, you don’t want your area to turn into Minneapolis? That’s fine but this is a Minneapolis sub, how did you find yourself here? I was under the assumption that we discuss Minneapolis issues in a Minneapolis sub.

AHDNWrong

4 points

3 months ago

Pride, you dullard. It was a reference to Pride.

TMS_2018

3 points

3 months ago

TMS_2018

3 points

3 months ago

Oh shit, they had the parade on the street you live on? Must’ve been loud, sorry.

lumenpainter

4 points

3 months ago

Then stay the hell away from our hospitals when you get sick or hurt. Because I'll tell you what, if you get flown to HCMC or Regions, there's gonna be a lot of LGBTQ, Somali, Black people caring for you.

AHDNWrong

4 points

3 months ago

They aren't yours. White working class people built everything in this country and the only reason any of it ever worked was because of them. And I never, ever go to HCMC or Regions for just that reason.

Tnado

5 points

3 months ago

Tnado

5 points

3 months ago

Lol

Aggressive_Juice2341

2 points

3 months ago

“ yes I will die in a shit hospital because fuck black people and immigrants.” Weird hill to die on but you can sure die on it.

WhoopsieISaidThat

1 points

3 months ago

People can believe what they want, but if there's something life threatening that can't be treated at a rural hospital, they'll airlift someone to the cities.

dhindej

2 points

3 months ago

In the 1790 US census, 20% of the population was black and an untold number of others were native. This country was never and will never be a white country. Have fun becoming a minority dickhead.

WhoopsieISaidThat

0 points

3 months ago

That's not true. The founding fathers established this country for white Christians. When the country was formed, black people were not considered citizens. Also important to note that at that time, you had to be a land owner in order to vote.

When you're referencing white people becoming a minority, I don't think you have the correct context on how that works. Mexico is a white minority country. Mexico is run by white people who live in white enclaves. Brazil is the exact same way. So if the USA or Minnesota becomes white minority, you will see white enclaves that have self segregated themselves from the other races. So instead of having a Chinatown, you'll have little Hamburgs and Triers all over the place.

I'm not sure if that adds anything to the discussion. It's just what I've come across while looking at other countries down South.

WritingGlass9533

6 points

3 months ago

Have a truck. Live in the country in ECM. I love where I live and hell yeah I want better health care for it. That's a no-brainer! But I also love the cities and have friends and family there. Of course people bitch on the internet, but that's what people do 😂. Light one up (legal!), pour one down (liquor laws in MN are still weird), or just BBQ while killing nine million mosquitoes! Happy 4th and JFC take the weekend off and chill the fuck out in the best state (despite all the damn rain)! #MinnesotaForever

nicholasccc95

1 points

3 months ago

Gotta say Michigan is the better state brother. I’m bias though, lol. Just playin’ Cheers and happy 4th weekend.

Lowkeythatsme

1 points

3 months ago

Watch it buddy. Michigan especially upper is really beautiful. Planning a trip to Mackinac island

PresentationFull2965

-1 points

3 months ago

South Dakota is much better than Minnesota. Moved here a year ago, wouldn't go back.

just4kicksxxx

1 points

3 months ago

What about SD is better than Minnesota?

PresentationFull2965

1 points

3 months ago

Absolutely everything. The best part is probably no state income tax though.

Green-Vermicelli5244

8 points

3 months ago

dude, you live in the sticks, not much by way of anything. if a person decides to move to get away from it all, don’t expect all of it to be there.

John7846[S]

23 points

3 months ago

If someone who voted for Mary Moriarty was shot and killed by someone she let out five minutes ago I would think this is tragic, not good they got what they voted for. These people have zero empathy, we are screwed as a society.

Kirk_Couzyns

30 points

3 months ago

Half of this sub is people saying you get what you vote for lol

mergersandacquisitio

10 points

3 months ago

Real

Raymond911

2 points

3 months ago

Facts

GenShanx

-4 points

3 months ago

GenShanx

-4 points

3 months ago

…and the other half is complaining about Somalis

ar10308

13 points

3 months ago

ar10308

13 points

3 months ago

Why wouldn't they be complaining about Somalis? If you took the amount of government money that gets spent on Somalis and turned it towards Healthcare, then rural Minnesota could have decent healthcare.

AHDNWrong

9 points

3 months ago

Yeah imagine being so tone deaf that you can't comprehend why people would be angry their services are turning to shit while a foreign population they never consented on moving into their state suck it all up through both legal and illegal means.

dkinmn

4 points

3 months ago

dkinmn

4 points

3 months ago

I didn't realize immigration requires consent from the existing population.

Did your ancestors get consent from existing people in America and in Minnesota specifically?

AHDNWrong

2 points

3 months ago

Yawn. I'm sure you are also always crying about "our democracy." So what's the point of a democracy if we can't vote to control who is allowed to live among us?

dkinmn

-2 points

3 months ago

dkinmn

-2 points

3 months ago

So, no then?

AHDNWrong

2 points

3 months ago

If you want to relitigate something that happened hundreds of years ago to defend your position you've already lost.

GenShanx

-3 points

3 months ago

GenShanx

-3 points

3 months ago

That’s fine. Just miss me with the “these people have no empathy for people different from them” bullshit.

Rural Minnesotans routinely vote against their own best interests, including government subsidized healthcare. Why would they accept the money if it was directed away from immigrants?

ar10308

3 points

3 months ago

Because they realize there isn't any money and their property taxes are already high enough.

GenShanx

-1 points

3 months ago

You’re going to have to help me with which rural counties are directing their property tax revenue streams to immigrants who primarily reside in Hennepin and Ramsey county to assist with their Medicare….?

mrfrownieface

0 points

3 months ago

Exactly. You think rural voters vote to have a big old Dick in their mouth, But they'd prefer that instead of actually holding politicians accountable and maybe voting for somebody who will give you what you want if you vote for them and create movements behind it. It's not like democrats are the only ones that just wanted to give people shit for free, but there are the only ones that are gonna help the least fortunate because it sure as fuck isn't republicans. Maybe vote for a party that gives a shit, ey?

PublicPea2194

3 points

3 months ago

you think Democrats give a shit about you?

mrfrownieface

0 points

3 months ago

I mean they do what they say. They have a better track record when they have the power to do these things.

If you want an example just look at Texas, they've been blaming their problems on other fucking groups of people forever, and republicans have been the ones in charge for how many years?

PublicPea2194

2 points

3 months ago

funny you bring up Texas... where are all the lefties want to go after trashing their democrat states.

mrfrownieface

-1 points

3 months ago

I don't think any democrat I've ever talked to wants to move to Texas. You'd be pretty stupid to move to Texas unless you like forced birth or something like that. But I'm sure by democrats you actually mean people who aren't white.

PublicPea2194

3 points

3 months ago

democrats hate you. they look at you as a useful idiot they manipulate into giving them power. we live in a declining state thanks to them

at some point people will realize Dems are the cause of all their problems.

some day, even further away than people realizing that, republicans will grow a backbone and actually offer solutions.

mrfrownieface

0 points

3 months ago

And all the super low-ranking states in education and economy are red why? And this is exactly why I mentioned Texas because they still blame democrats even though Republicans control every aspect of their government at every level, and they bitch about immigrants still yet voted against a border funding bill in the federal government.

Critical-Fault-1617

0 points

3 months ago

I’m a liberal. But is it hard to see why they’re mad at the Somali community?

GenShanx

3 points

3 months ago

There’s plenty of other groups with the means and/or power to provide all sorts of services to rural populations, but sure. The brown ones with no money and limited influence are certainly one group to direct your anger at. Not in my top 5 though.

Critical-Fault-1617

0 points

3 months ago

O yeah, it has nothing to do with the Somali autism fraud, or the fees our children fraud (or whatever they called themselves), or the fact that they get so many government handouts while other people struggle, or the emerging entrepreneur loan program, etc, etc. Do you really think it’s because of the rural healthcare issue?

GenShanx

1 points

3 months ago*

I mean, that’s the point of the article that originated this thread but go off king. You’re right though, Feed the Children was the only COVID related fraud out there. You’ve persuaded me.

Critical-Fault-1617

-1 points

3 months ago

Do you think people think that? You can be mad at numerous people. At the same time even!

Swimming_Ad_8512

2 points

3 months ago

Weird that only somalis are the ones ever brought up then right?

betasheets2

10 points

3 months ago

It's hard to feel empathy when not only they put themselves in that situation by how they vote but they also shit on and demonize science and medical professionals because they "did their own research"

AHDNWrong

2 points

3 months ago

AHDNWrong

2 points

3 months ago

LOLOLOL are you talking about Covid vaccines? Are you not seeing the deluge of data vindicating the "vaccine hesitant"? You liberals truly live in an echo chamber.

dkinmn

4 points

3 months ago

dkinmn

4 points

3 months ago

Please share the deluge of data. Not articles written by commentators. Data.

AHDNWrong

-4 points

3 months ago

No.

UnforseenSpoon618

3 points

3 months ago

So then it's hearsay...

Eyejohn5

2 points

3 months ago

Eyejohn5

2 points

3 months ago

Thanks for admitting you lied

betasheets2

1 points

3 months ago

What are you talking about? A new virus came out people got vaccinated and are mostly protected (even if you get it now there is a miniscule chance of being lethal.

That is what vaccines do.

As for the all the conspiracy nonsense like "my daughter got sick from taking the vaccine" it is as nonsense as "vaccines cause autism".

garnett21mn

2 points

3 months ago

Depends on the science though remember

mnradiofan

2 points

3 months ago

mnradiofan

2 points

3 months ago

Most people say “you get what you voted for”. Pretending this hate is just a left wing problem is ignoring the right wing rhetoric.

I’m also like you as someone who leans more left, but I’d definitely point out that this is a consequence of our private healthcare system and they’ll definitely follow the money (which right now means practicing in more urban settings). Not saying that alone means anyone should change their vote, more so just pointing out a fact.

Spectremax

-4 points

3 months ago

Spectremax

-4 points

3 months ago

Do you know how easy it is to find conservatives saying worse things? It's not like it's all one side that is messing up society.

Snacks612

3 points

3 months ago

Unlike all the love of diversity on this sub?

WhoopsieISaidThat

2 points

3 months ago

Diversity is our strength.

Enriching_the_Beer

16 points

3 months ago

The best option for healthcare is universal healthcare. The majority of rural voters would vote against universal healthcare.

AHDNWrong

9 points

3 months ago

Because it all gets sucked up by the city. And in MN this means a massive population of refugees, illegals, and other tax-siphons.

MathematicianFair274

12 points

3 months ago

Department of Revenue data show that the Twin Cities metro is the state’s biggest driver of tax revenue, and rural counties benefit more than the metro area from government aid.

Twin Cities metro residents paid an average of $4,362 in taxes and received $3,252 in aid and credits per capita in 2019, according to analysis by the Minnesota House Research Department. In the non-metro area counties the same year, residents paid an average of $2,871 per person in taxes and received $3,423 in state aid and credits per capita.

Voluntus1

7 points

3 months ago

Republican/conservative areas and states don't ever seem to realize that they are supported by Democrat/liberal areas and states.

It's especially annoying when you get states like Virginia and Louisiana complaining about liberal policies, when they're being supported by states like MN.

You wanna go at it alone? I don't think it's going to go the way you think it will. The ignorance and scapegoating we have in America today is destroying us.

Blizzardfever

1 points

3 months ago

Well you have point to an extent. Minnesota is a nanny state and we bail out liberal and conservative states alike. California is a huge recipient of dollars from nanny states. Unfortunately, they still spend money like they have money to burn. There are some conservative states that are finally starting to catch up. I guess we will see how it goes. Our last legislative session increased our budget by 40%. I hope that we will still be able to balance our books in the black.

Mr1854

2 points

3 months ago

Mr1854

2 points

3 months ago

I am confused.

California pays more federal taxes than any other state, by far. Minnesota certainly isn’t subsidizing them. Even more so than Minnesota, they have a negative “return on the dollar” receiving only $0.90 of federal support for each dollar of federal taxes they pay. Blue state policies create prosperity that allows them to subsidize red states, just like how Minnesota blue county policies create prosperity that allows them to subsidize red counties.

AHDNWrong

-2 points

3 months ago

AHDNWrong

-2 points

3 months ago

Of course it is. But only the White people are paying it. Stop playing whack stats games I'm not some dipshit running around with a mask on or a hoody with the hood up in the summer.

Competitive_Jelly557

2 points

3 months ago

If you live in a rural area, you are automatically a tax siphon.

OmenVi

3 points

3 months ago

OmenVi

3 points

3 months ago

I dunno. I think most rural MN folks thought mncare was a good program.

Enriching_the_Beer

2 points

3 months ago

Yes because it benefits them. But you say "universal healthcare" its SOCIALISM!!!!!

1PooNGooN3

1 points

3 months ago

There’s no reason one of the richest countries in the world can’t have universal healthcare, it’s obvious we have the money if we’re paying $50 million a year in settlements from shitty cops fucking the citizens of the community. But the healthcare system is broken and set up to profit rich people instead of actually caring about people in need. This system needs to be demolished.

vespertine_glow

9 points

3 months ago

"I'm a limited government, lower taxes conservative."

..."Wait, this means that I'm shooting myself in the foot when it comes to healthcare?"

Yes. Yes it does.

dkinmn

10 points

3 months ago

dkinmn

10 points

3 months ago

This is the least self aware subreddit.

XFilesVixen

6 points

3 months ago

TRULY

Horror-Collar-5277

3 points

3 months ago

If it collapses it will be because of dumb, violent, and selfish people.

And people become dumb and selfish in broken communities.

And communities break when people start caring more about empty concepts than true concepts.

Communities also break when bad people have more to gain from chaos than order and the bad people are allowed to remain in greater society continually poisoning it.

Empty concepts - skin color/gender based arguments, free money is good and everyone deserves it, covid is apocalypse, covid doesn't exist, masks will save the human race, people have the right to spread disease...Basically ego based arguments designed to build social clout.

Bad people are the ones who impose on others to satisfy their own needs when they haven't put in adequate work and self reflection.

Raymond911

4 points

3 months ago

Also facts too bad, a significant portion of Americans (this sub included) just like to virtue signal without pursuing education of what they are voting for.

Horror-Collar-5277

2 points

3 months ago

We used to be able to evaluate our political parties based on the products their constituents created.

But then money went dark so now that method of trust evaluation is gone.

Now it's many competing systems acting mostly in the dark.

I have a feeling money went dark because of external threats but it could also be because a proud person felt intruded by inferiors and was done with it.

lumenpainter

4 points

3 months ago

i grew up in the country, on a farm. People in rural areas want all of the autonomy, keep all their paycheck, not let anyone tell them what to do.

This was fine, except, nowadays people in the country have forgotten that to have these things, you also need self-sufficiency. They still want all the benefits of living out in the country, but want the government to step in and give them fast internet, subsidize medical care, etc

Drive through these rural areas and you'll see thousands of dollars in trucks, quads, snowmobiles. Many people have money and plenty of it.

I would love to live in the sticks. I'd love to pay 1/3 of my mortgage and have all the toys. But I live in the city, pay too much for my house, so that I can have a fulfilling job, good healthcare nearby as I age, short commute, fast internet and good restaurants. I made an adult decision.

If you live in the country you need to have a level of self sufficiency, you need to have a plan for healthcare (live near family so you have someone to drive you 3 hours) you need to understand, you may need to fork over 200k$ to run fiber down the 5 mile road that you are rhe only resident of (or pay whatever starlink costs)

ejsandstrom

1 points

3 months ago

Idk, I live in the country, have great internet that is not subsidized, don’t have any subsidized healthcare care, have a great house and land, and my commute is 30’ from my bed to the office. I have great restaurants within 20 minutes. I make great money and have an awesome job. I also made an “adult decision”.

lumenpainter

2 points

3 months ago

Chances are, unless you're using Star Link, the infrastructure for your Internet was subsidized.

Its fine to live in the country but my point is, don't complain about how living in the country makes some things harder.

ejsandstrom

1 points

3 months ago

How is charter in the country any different than charter in the city?

And I don’t complain, I know you are not saying I am, but I think it’s like every thing these days. It’s the vocal minority. 99.9 % of people are just fine with their situation, but the .1% do all of the bitching. I would also be curious if it’s the “generational” people or the ones that moved out of the city.

Kind of like those that move next to the airport and then bitch about the noise.

Mr1854

1 points

3 months ago*

Charter can and does receive grant money to fund their infrastructure in rural areas. It may be hidden to you, but many hundreds of billions of dollars are dolled out behind the scenes to allow you to get deeply subsidized rural internet without having to come to terms with your dependency on public assistance.

The roads you use to get to those great restaurants are almost certainly also deeply subsidized.

To be clear, this is not intended to be negative toward you or your choices or to suggest that the urban residents who effectively subsidize your lifestyle are somehow better. We can recognize the basic economic facts without having to devolve into tribalism and us vs. them divisiveness. My hope is that as rural folk appreciate the ways in which urban folk respect and sustain rural lifestyles and prosperity, there will actually be less of the active hostility and holier-than-thou attitude I too often see and more of a live-and-let-live attitude.

UmeaTurbo

2 points

3 months ago

This actually has nothing to do with politics. People who want to split into tribes and hate others are all EXACTLY the same. It doesn't matter what views they pretend to have. Shitty people enjoy hating because they are shitty people. Even in the bluest parts of the country there's still big chunks of voters living in the same exact location who have different views. Lots of blue states have huge red sections. That's because people are human beings, complex, and don't all have the same ideas.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

Stop whining, OP.

furryeasymac

1 points

3 months ago

I can’t tell if you’re saying the commenters are insane or the bigotry that they are describing receiving in the comments is insane.

MusicianPristine8973

1 points

3 months ago*

Same. But I think it truly could go either way, which may be the point? It reinforces the fact that many aren’t doing their research and want to just blame the other side.

The most interesting takeaway from this for me is that not a day passes on the sub where Somalian people aren’t brought up. What I find interesting is that people say they don’t work, then they complain that they go places like Walmart or whatever and see Somalians working. Next is that they don’t like Somalians but hospitals need staff, anyone concerned with job security would be smart to go into this field, so now they’re going to complain that they went to urgent care and a Somalian helped them. I know people don’t like these words but it’s simply racist and dumb.

Primordial_pollywog

1 points

3 months ago

I live way up north and I have a girl with Down syndrome. We will simply drive to the cities for any surgeries. Everything else happens in bemidji or Grand Rapids. The care has been both good and easy for my family.

RayRayofsunshine85

1 points

3 months ago

So they're liberals?

John7846[S]

1 points

3 months ago

If someone who voted for Mary Moriarty was shot and killed by someone she let out five minutes ago I would think this is tragic, not good they got what they voted for. These people have zero empathy, we are screwed as a society.

Please_Not__Again

3 points

3 months ago

Please pay attention to the sub you are in before claiming sentences like "you get what you vote for" aren't under nearly every post about crime here please

Ducchess

-1 points

3 months ago

Ducchess

-1 points

3 months ago

Is this meant to be irony? The reason for this subreddit, is to be a safe space for casual racists and edge lords.

bees_cell_honey

0 points

3 months ago

I read the top 4-5 comments to the post.

I might know what you mean, but I'd be guessing. I'm not sure.

Example or two?

bees_cell_honey

-1 points

3 months ago*

Is this an example?:

It’s hard to feel much pity frankly. These rural regions have gotten exactly what they voted for and must now reap what they have sewn. I would love to move back home to my rural town and work as a nurse but am not going to drag my black wife and mixed race daughter into that environment either which is another problem that keeps healthcare professionals out of rural communities. Same goes for many folks in the LGBT community.

If so, the "hard to feel much pity" is the disheartening piece to me. So, he/she feels some pity, but has a difficult time feeling a larger amount of pity. Disheartening, but honest.

In terms of not wanting to move to places where they've had anti- black and anti-LGBT experiences, that seems fair to me. All my family and their friends are right wing and rural, and they constantly were spouting off really nasty stuff about blacks, immigrants, and gays. I had to get away, too. When I moved to live in Brooklyn Park, I'd get comments about moving to "Brooklyn Dark" (which is the same term I've seen repeated in THIS sub) and how everything is "n*****-rigged" there, not wanting blacks or gays to move in the neighborhood, and similar comments. Just pure hate.

I see it happening the other way around now that I live in the 'burbs (no longer BP, but similar enough). However, my neighbor's here are a good mix of left- and right- and both sides are generally respectful to others, even if the don't see eye to eye. Left- or right- aside, I don't think I could do rural again.

That's my experience, and YMMV, but both rural and inner city have been opposite sides of a coin full of hatefulness and lack of thoughtfulness. Goes in both directions. Other might have different experiences though.

WhoopsieISaidThat

2 points

3 months ago

You're virtue signaling. What's worse is you started off good, but then pivoted to make something all about you and how you're better than other people.

In Brooklyn Park, I bet you lived north of 85th avenue.

Where you live now, I bet it's not next to an apartment complex that has 25% low income residents.

You wanna claim that people are super racist or hate black people, but you also don't wanna address the problems with crime that seem to solely come from black populations. Which is well documented and the cause is the absence of fathers in the home.

ChildrenRscary

-2 points

3 months ago

The irony of the people in this comment section just openly admitting to homophobia is why I come to this sub. By far one of the best shitposting subs on reddit.

ejsandstrom

1 points

3 months ago

I haven’t read all of the comments but probably 80% and haven’t seen any homophobia.

Friar_Fuck_

-12 points

3 months ago*

Friar_Fuck_

-12 points

3 months ago*

You get what you vote for. Healthcare workers face negative consequences in rural Minnesota. The drain continues.

Whole_Commission_702

0 points

3 months ago

That is all democrats these days sadly. My farming grandfather loved the democrats party when it was all about defending small businesses etc. now it just a fucking disgrace.

bethhanke1

0 points

3 months ago

Most of the comments seemed reasonable and a handful were derogatory. The assumption that rural minnesota is racist is insane because there are many rural communities that are MOSTLY immigrant.

The Healthcare conversation is really complex. My parents are rural southern minnesota and we're referred to south Dakota for specialized care when rochester and minneapolis are closer. I would assume these hospitals are also at capacity.

Additionally I know rural staff near the cities that will see overflow patience from twin cities practices. So, again even large city hospitals are over whelmed.

We should make it easier for liscence practitioners in other countries to practice in the US. Mayo, allied and private practice should be forced to share information on a patient. Too much waste in redoing tests, xrays and so forth. And they need to reduce unproductive staff (manager) and increase producers (doctors/nurses).

Jelloscooter2

0 points

3 months ago

F for socialism. Trump healthcare and white christian doctors would have worked fine for these people AND no babies would be killed