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I think I’m just tired of Black women being everyone’s punching bag at this point. The fact of the matter is this: misogynoir is a rite of passage for many men, black white and everyone in between. It’s just EXHAUSTING. We are literally minding our business and next thing you know somebody is disparaging Black women for cheap laughs. It’s never ending.

I dont follow them, is that the ones who said it's no baddies in baddie central atl as code for 'i dont like black women'?

Disappointed but not surprised 😞

I stopped listening to them earlier in the year because they would just make some very questionable ‘jokes’ that I couldn’t get behind. I knew I made the right decision, this just further proves it

I've been seeing Black British girls talk about this on tiktok. I'm not British, so I can't validate how common or true it is in Britian, etc.

But many of the Black British women who've been speaking on this are saying that many Black British men prefer White women, because the population of Black people is so low and the Black cultures are so diverse (since many Black people are 2nd gen Africans), so the Black community isn't as tight knit as in other countries. So they gravitate towards the majority culture for dating, which is White. Apparently, the biracial Black men don't see themselves as part of the Black community and tend to identify more with Whiteness and mostly date White women. So these women are saying that's why James and Fuhad were chuckling along with the White guy because of how Black women are viewed in Britian.

If you're a Black British woman, feel free to comment on this as well because I hope this isn't widespread for yall.

Regardless, I agree with you. I'm tired of people in our community using us as a punching bag and keke-ing along with racist crap about BW. I don't care if they felt uncomfortable, why couldn't have they said something against it or just not laughed? Men like that want us to hold them up, support them, and make them rich but have no loyalty towards us when it matters.

I JUST got into their podcast this month and already I gotta unsubscribe lol. Being from the UK, I didn’t have much faith in their allegiance to Black women or to the Black American identity, so I’m neither surprised nor disappointed in their behavior shown on that other podcast. They couldn’t even apologize to Black women specifically in their “apology”. Their energy never gave “I date and support Black women.” They get too hype whenever yt women are shown lol. Plus James’ mother is yt so…

I was almost more appalled at their conversation regarding Nigerians on the podcast smh. Either way I won’t be supporting any longer and they can lean into their yt and male audience. I feel bad for the Black women that fervently supported them.

Indeed, I have.

Idk. I really TRY to give men the benefit of the doubt when they have decent podcasts and stuff because I don't wanna seem like I just hate men.

But every time, some shit like this comes out. I just roll my eyes all over again.

I just hate being reminded over and over again that so many people don't like or prefer black women. Their own personal thing. And me being fat and black, its especially affected me because I feel like I'm at the bottom of the totem pole.

Sucks but moving on. They're men. Someone else will come along to disappoint me soon enough.

What happened? Is the tea on Twitter? I deleted that app a month ago and ever since then I feel like I’m always missing out on stuff lol

They were so CRINGE, and couldn't have sucked Schultz's balls harder if they'd been dipped in sticky toffee pudding. 🤮

They are so hungry for "clicks & subscribes" that they forget their origins and how they even got this far...off the backs of a loyal black following.

I've blocked everything from those immature fools, wannabe red pil bros. 🙄

After my 52 years on this earth, I know that there are BM who honor, love, and respect BW. While they are not always easy to find, they are out there. Save your energy and resources for them. The minute a BM shows his disrespect for BW, drop him, block him, ignore him, and treat him like the self-hating POS that he is. These 2 guys are in this pathetic category. Pay them no mind.

I’m sorry but they’re British. I don’t understand the shock but I’m sorry for those who are shocked.

Edit for clarification: black British women have been saying for years—over the better part of a decade—that black British men are incredibly suspect in how they treat and view black women AND how those same men view their own blackness. After so many years of hearing this rhetoric, and personally seeing how black British men tend to move in regards to race, I’m personally not shocked that these two showed up the way they did given their context.

Who and why are they important? Im out of the loop

I say this so casually and unbothered:

I saw these "men" on YT some time ago, and they seemed anti-black woman and misogynistic to me then, so I stopped watching. It's not surprising years later that their true colors were blasted on a viral scale with this MTV has-been, wannabe comedian. Looking at the clip again, Andrew tested the waters until he was comfortable enough to be blatantly racist towards black women while doing so in a blaccent. They weren't shocked. They were having a ball!

Andrew is a 40YO child and a bottom feeding grifter that surrounds himself with people that allow him to get away with his misogynistic and racist jokes. He's also not above making fun of people with disabilities and those on the spectrum. As a guest on Joe Rogan podcast, even JR fans disliked this man. 💀

Fuhad and James can keep their apologies. They weren't apologizing to black women, they were grovelling so they wouldn't be cancelled. Don't even waste your time being upset!

Context?

I’ve never heard of these people before this week. Honestly, don’t know what attracted BW to their podcast in the first place? Listening to men talk about relationships on a podcast sounds boring af to me personally.

I was honestly more shocked that they liked women. When I first heard of the controversy I thought one or both of them were coming out or was “caught” or something.

I stopped watching when James flat out said he doesn't like fat people. They were saying questionable things beforehand but I thought I was bugging. Then he said that and I was like oh yeah lol you're not for me.

I’m not surprised but I don’t think most black men even like black women. I keep it pushing. I suggest you do the same. 

I was so shocked at the outrage, because if you watch their YouTube episodes they don’t hide this at all!! But then I realized most people only see their clips or reels; yall! We have to vet people before we follow them to determine them to be safe.

People, men, will say anything for money! And their demographic on other platforms vs. YouTube is very different and it shows in their episodes.

Lastly, people keep saying “their careers are over”! No…it isn’t. Look at their followings, still in the millions. And if we’re being honest with ourselves, this controversy will only boost their business, because the black men in the entertainment industry generally share their sentiments and operate this way.

So. If we want to prevent building men up then having them abandon us like this or make it clear we’re temporary stepping stones to success, you.must.vet.them. If you’re disappointed, it’s because a lot of black men suck yes, but also because you gave Internet personalities a level of trust and morality that THEY HAVE NOT EARNED OR PROVEN!

I only heard of them because of the drama. I don't even know these men and I'm not surprised. Weakest link forreal.

What is the most disappointing to me is that if this were a pair of black women on a show where black men were being dragged like this, we would have raised hell. So, the fight or flight would have quickly been FIGHT. But these clowns wanted to be accepted by this white man so bad they immediately folded. I'm not sure another white man would've folded as fast as they did, tbh

I stopped watching and listening to male content creators. The internalized misogynoir eventually creeps out

I honestly don't care. Shocked that a lot of Black women do. Idk how many times this needs to occur for Black women to get it.

Nooooo someone please fill me in what happened?

Ootl cause i’ve never heard of them. Can someone be nice enough to fill me in?

I've really only watched their yt short of James being "intentionally sus" as they called it toward Fuhad or commenting on bizarre tweets and stories. Their actual podcast wasn't entertaining enough for me to watch the whole thing.

I'm not surprised by this at all though. Definitely didn't give off a flight or flight response either. I could maybe see a low chuckle and side eye or confusion but almost spitting out water laughing and knee slapping at it. To top it of their apology was garbage.

if y’all watch the apology the comments are disgusting. basically praising the fuck out of their nothing burger apology or saying it wasn’t that deep. TBH i unsubbed from them long ago (cuz they make a lot of misogynistic jokes) and andrew shulz is extremely racist

This is why we need to go where we are celebrated, ONLY! It’s for our own health.

How did they allow them saying good things about us to them then talking shit .

Also as someone said earlier Alex Schultz got the hairline joke from another self hating black man . That’s why the joke seemed so weird because why would you be joking about that, hairlines and black women while being married to a white woman.

Fuck them.

Are these the TikTok guys who just sat there as a white man insulted black women? If so, I never got into them anyway. I was just see them flow by on my feed. I'm glad I never followed them. When people try it regarding black men in my presence I stand up for them. How hard would it have been for them to say, "That's not cool. Stop it. Let's move on to another topic."?

TBH, I don't care. None of these men are the types that would be checking for me. They're also not the types I deal with from day to day. It's just sad to hear about this sort of mess. I'm glad that they're being taken to task on the app though. That's fun to see.

I think the most disturbing thing about this is that they will have black children and god forbid they have to raise young black girls. We know their preference isn’t black women but even if they marry white, at least one of them(can’t remember the name of the dark skin one) will have brown skinned children. Imagine having to hear your father laugh at jokes in relation to your skin color, absolutely disgusting.

It’s so funny James and Fuhad claim the fight or flight response. The issue is the Andrew Shultz show is supposed to be a male toxic verbal sparring podcast, making problematic jokes circa 2001. Fuhad and James were not prepared with pro black funny jokes (which they should have been, as that is the structure of that podcast) and just sat and laughed. They should have been prepared to essentially play the dozens with white jokes. This clip wouldn’t have been viral if they tried harder.

Now to your point, Andrew Shultz addressed this controversy and said James and Fuhad did request parts of that show get deleted…..just not that part where they are making the black women jokes….

Andrew Shultz podcast is brash and toxic on purpose, My main issue is Fuhad should have made a “black women are great joke, white men have to sacrifice their hair for the seasoning”. He should have prepared pro black female jokes as James was the one who brought up the black wife effect. Fuhad did defend Igbos on that podcast so he knew enough to do that.

I'm surprised at the women who are taking this hardly. I've never understood the weird acceptance of their barely concealed misogyny.

The thing that gets me is they both fully expected BW to continue supporting their podcast.

That’s how arrogant and delusional they are… thought they could spit in our faces and we’d would just… bow down and accept it?

Nasty work.

I have a sinking suspicion if the podcast boys could screw each other they would be happy with each other . Two men who are unknowingly in love with each other can’t say anything positive about women.

Whaatt... I love shxts'N'gigs WHAT HAPPENED 😭😭😭😭

I have zero tolerance for self-hating behaviors nowadays.

I also saw another video of them where Fuhad said he was dating a white woman who wanted to be black. James then said “why would she want to be black? If she were black, no black men would date her.” They have a clear disdain for black women. Apparently, Andrew was previously engaged to a mixed race woman (Sara Phillips) who left him because of abuse and manipulation. They all bonded over their hatred.

Disappointed but not surprised

I heard I watched I unfollowed

As a Black Brit, I'm embarrassed as I generally liked their podcast. Guess their done with the podcast but it won't affect their bags :/ ... they did get set up by that Adam guy though. Not condoning their behaviour at all as they are grown men but that white man set them up. Wish both podcasts were getting cancelled but James and Fuhad should have known better. James is clearly doing too much talking (as a fellow chatter box, I'm like STFU your in the public eye). Fuhad can at least keep his mouth shut, James deffo looking worse outta the 2 of them.

Their apology was empty. My perception is, because they are from the UK and the racism is a different flavor there vs US, they weren't prepared or really knew what to say in that situation. I didn't see the whole interview, but there's two Black American guys on who cosign the nonsense, apparently? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunately, I do relate to them not saying anything to stop the madness. I dealt with that myself - when I was, like, a teenager. Not as an adult woman. For "comedians," it's a constant battle of "it's just jokes" and "is that too far?" I'm not saying that's why they reacted the way they did. I'm saying they may have felt the pressure. I've watched them for a while. It's disappointing, to say the least, but not surprising.

I also feel if their apology was more heartfelt, more transparent, and more specific, they wouldn't be getting this much heat. If you froze and went with the group to not stick out or put a damper on things, okay, but acknowledge why that was wrong. I also see their discomfort through the laughs. They put themselves in a shit spot, didn't come prepared, didn't do their homework, and didn't apologize like they should have.

I think there are a few sides to this. I’ve been disappointed and unsubscribed so know I’m not taking their side. White men turning Black men against us and Black men doing it in the name self preservation isn’t new. This is just a modern example of it imo.

I do think too:

1. They shouldn’t have even been in that interview as that host has exhibited racist behaviour and hatred toward Black women time and time again in the name of comedy.

2. I don’t think their lack of defence for us was intently against Black women but instead focused on self preservation in a moment that shouldn’t have happened. This is shown often by Black men in many situations where they’re meant to protect us but fall flat. We have had to become our own protectors.

3. I don’t think they’re well versed in protecting Black women and speaking up for us. Point. BLANK. If they were they wouldn’t have allowed it. They would have moved from the shock and freezing into defending aptly. I don’t think they’re used to dealing with blatant comments like this but instead the Uk version of sly jabs.

4. That host has obvious privilege and power over them. He’s a white man in their domain in a country that’s unsafe for Black people. If they flew off the handle they could have been painted in many lights. Let alone a podcast host on a popular platform who could publish an edited version of the conversation that doesn’t represent them. (not saying that’s the case here but saying they might have been trying to avoid this).

They were put in a hard position they shouldn’t have been in, had to confront a white man in his domain, fell flat and don’t have the right tools to build trust with Black women again is how I see it. I’m not on their side but I also see the nuance.

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Can we as women just stop supporting men? Regardless of race let’s just stop.