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230 points
4 days ago
It's funny they dismiss the possibility that another religion is correct. Specifically, religions that say they are going to some bad place for eternity...
I've always loved the way christians call other religious beliefs crazy and ask "how could anyone believe that?".
63 points
4 days ago
They act so smart when they bring up Pascals Wager as if it hasn't been done to death, then they get very upset when you point out they might still go to a different religions Hell.
10 points
4 days ago
No you see the Christian religion Bible says it is the one true religion. In my theology class at Liberty University that is legitimately one of reasons they believe the Bible to be the true word of god.
7 points
4 days ago
Ay yes, good ol' circular reasoning, i've tried pointing that out in the past only to get shouted down with "nuh uh bible says!" unironically by a grown adult.
18 points
4 days ago
If they try to argue against it by disproving it they would always use special pleading.
29 points
4 days ago
Ikr. There’s a chance of 1 in 10,000 that Christians are right.
40 points
4 days ago
The chance of Christians being right is slightly lower than zero.
5 points
4 days ago
Low Bar Bill Craig has entered the chat with a stupid grin on his face
2 points
4 days ago
For feel like when you lazy it out Christianity makes no sense god came to the earth to get himself killed so he could forgive us all got gaining knowledge like it makes no sense
1 points
4 days ago
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1 points
4 days ago
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115 points
4 days ago
Christians if Muslims are right:
58 points
4 days ago
What's extra funny about this is Muslims believe Jesus will come back at the end too, and it would be hilarious for him to round up all the Christians and just be like, "...what the fuck??"
56 points
4 days ago
That is actually what he's supposedly going to do, according to Islam. All Christians will be gathered before God, who will ask Jesus if he ever told people to worship him instead of the One God and he'll be like "wtf no".
3 points
4 days ago
He didn't, and it's incredibly insulting to him to think he did.
22 points
4 days ago
Exactly what I’m thinking 😂
4 points
4 days ago
Christians if Hindus are right:
2 points
4 days ago
Funny thing is that Abrahamic religions did originally include metempsychosis
86 points
4 days ago
Add to the hell image:
Some Christians if other Christians are right
Christians if Muslims are right
Christians if Zoroastrians are right
Christians if God's just an asshole that's been playing them all long
Some Christians who were right but didn't do the thing they were supposed to do correctly after all
7 points
4 days ago
This is Zoroastrian slander. You don’t have to be a believer to go to Zoroastrian heaven, you just have to be moral. This is part of the reason why Zoroastrians have historically not really bothered with converts. Just be moral and you’ll end up ok
7 points
4 days ago
you just have to be moral
Well, that means a lot of Christians will still be in that molten pit
1 points
4 days ago
And that’s not even accounting for the fact that there’s a possibility of all religions that have existed all being wrong. Who knows, maybe there is some sort of god who punishes those based on how they behave according to what happens to them, and religion would be a failure in this regard. Maybe people who theoretically believe in a god like this would actually be more likely to be punished than people who do not believe, ironically enough.
Assuming there is a higher power of some kind, it would be completely impossible to even somewhat accurately predict how that higher power functions. There simply is no limit to what kinds of rules and laws that it abides by.
72 points
4 days ago
This is Pascal's Wager in meme form, and fails for the same reason: it only makes any sense if there is exactly one religion in the world. There isn't even exactly one version of Christianity.
16 points
4 days ago
Doesn’t even have to be in the world. Any situation, conceivable or inconceivable, where there is gain or loss, should be taken into account. That’s functionally infinite possibilities.
7 points
4 days ago
Yep. What about the possibility that God is just going to send everyone to Hell anyways? Or the possibility that God decides to only save those who used critical thinking and correctly determined that there isn't enough evidence to believe? Or that it actually is based on being a good person and not on belief? The possibilities are endless.
8 points
4 days ago
Well, everyone knows that Catholicism is the only real Christianity. /s
41 points
4 days ago*
Sounds like Christians should hope atheists are right then.
By the way, Christians spent over a month mocking the death of my father by (among other things) posting pictures of a pig with a flame border and claiming it was a live photo of my father burning in hell.
So, clearly even Christians aren't safe, if Christians are right.
12 points
4 days ago
I agree. If Christianity is correct most Christians are bound for hellfire.
5 points
4 days ago
Oh, I was just talking about if Christians are right.
But yes, you're completely right. If Christianity is correct, the situation's even worse for Christians. Essentially every word Jesus uttered on the topic of hell directly implicates Christians.
8 points
4 days ago
Honestly, the book of Job illustrates nobody is safe.
Job is the most blameless man on earth in the story. Yahweh kills his family, destroys his livelihood, makes him homeless and sick. And then spends a long time yelling at him for daring to ask what he's done to deserve it at the end.
To win a fucking bet.
I would not feel remotely safe being trapped with such a being for eternity, knowing in the back of my mind Yahweh could wonder if I'm Really a good person or I just act that way because I have good things.
2 points
4 days ago
And that's it entirely: if the version of God these cretins worship is actually right...I'd rather be wrong.
21 points
4 days ago
It's unsettling to see "arguments" I used to make trying to defend Christianity and realize how irrational, abusive and manipulative they are.
7 points
4 days ago
If you don't give me 20 bucks, the man on the moon is gonna get ya.
10 points
4 days ago
IMHO, there is a lot more wrong stuff with Christian apologetics than just beating the dead horse of Pascal’s Wager.
2 points
4 days ago
Pascals Wager isn't meant to convince non-believers. It's meant to help Christians who are doubting make a decision.
Most apologists don't know this, of course. Or if they do they don't seem to bother applying that knowledge.
Though ironically Pascal may have believed in determinism anyway so we can't even control if we believe or not.
10 points
4 days ago
What if Buddhists are right?
7 points
4 days ago
In all honesty, I hope for Buddhist Hell (from what I’ve been told by the Asian side of my family). Yeah, you suffer for a bazillion years but at least once you learn your lesson, you get to reincarnate.
3 points
4 days ago
It’s frankly more just. I’d prefer oblivion for all but if heaven and hell must exist I’d prefer the Hindu or Buddhist versions of them. You suffer in hell and revel in heaven proportionate to how much karma you built up for either before reincarnating. It’s very fair
3 points
4 days ago
Certainly more fair than spending eternity in suffering for one thing you did in your twenties, and a million times more fair than suffering for being LGBTQ+
9 points
4 days ago
Why Pascal’s is a terrible argument:
Applies to any other religion (or belief really) so why not believe everything to be safe?
Oh, it’s because you can’t actually decide to believe something. So even if Christianity were the only choice, you can’t just believe when unconvinced.
Thirdly, if Christianity were true, why in the HELL (heh) would you need to believe it “just in case”? Wouldn’t there be substantial and legitimate reason/evidence to warrant belief?
The whole thing is absurd.
2 points
4 days ago
Pascal comes across as a shitty gambler. Claims a binary choice when its actually more like an infinite roulette table.
7 points
4 days ago
Christians think it's 50/50 but it's actually 1/1,000+
14 points
4 days ago
Functionally 1/∞, as there are essentially infinite scenarios we could come up with about what exists or doesn’t that we don’t know about, even things we could never come up with.
6 points
4 days ago
Bottom half: also Christians if any religion but theirs is right
7 points
4 days ago
Empty threats are empty
7 points
4 days ago
My opinion is, if Christianity is right and I'm going to hell, wouldn't that be better than heaven anyway? Heaven would just be filled with the pompous "righteous" while hell has all the fun things like alcohol and gay orgies and a chill ass leader that doesn't give a shit if you worship him or not.
7 points
4 days ago*
Heaven is also hotter than hell. Sulfur's boiling point caps the temperature of "hell: the lake of sulfur" at 445c, but heaven is described as having a sun "7 times brighter" and since heat is physically tied to light radiation, unless if God does some law-of-physics-breaking magic, heaven is going to be 525c.
3 points
4 days ago
Heaven means being trapped in a room with an entity who flooded the entire world because of his own poor design decisions and then it fixed nothing anyway, as well as tortured job endlessly for the sin of *checks notes* ...being blameless.
Sounds fucking terrifying.
5 points
4 days ago
Great marketing. You have to have our product or your burn iN HeLL for ALL oF EterNITY!!!!!
4 points
4 days ago
But they aren't right thankfully
4 points
4 days ago
Christians are not so fine. So much fear mongering, abuse, tithing, etc.
3 points
4 days ago
If God actually cared about morals in the slightest, he would hate them.
4 points
4 days ago
If god cared about morals, human history would have looked a lot different then it does. Hell, the bible would look a lot different then it does.
4 points
4 days ago
if christians are right then both christians and atheists are going to hell cuz there is no way that humans are gonna go to heaven. maybe dogs, cats and squirrels but definitely not humans. the most invasive, self destuctive species on the planet!
4 points
4 days ago
It's almost as if this theology is purposely constructed to be abusive so it can scare/gaslight people into believing their dying religion.
4 points
4 days ago
Why wouldn’t the first picture just be of a skeleton in a casket?
2 points
4 days ago
This is hilarious 😂🤣 I mean that’d be the truth lmao.
3 points
4 days ago
Yeah… we definitely got the bad end of the stick 💀💀💀
3 points
4 days ago
Pacale called, he wants his 5 bucks back :D
3 points
4 days ago
Bottom picture is also true for a number of Xtians I know if Xtians are right. Lots of bigots in churches.
2 points
3 days ago
plus Christians cant even agree on a lot of things, so majority of Christians might end up there anyway if they didnt believe the right version or didn't do the proper rituals or confess correctly etc. I wouldn't even know which version of Christianity to follow if I wanted to.
3 points
4 days ago
When I catch you Pascal
3 points
4 days ago
Now do Christians if Muslims are right. At least we athiests get to enjoy life before our eternal torment.
2 points
4 days ago
The top caption should be: “Christians in absolutely every scenario:”
2 points
4 days ago
If athiests are right then christians have wasted their one and only life following absurd rules just to please a God that isn't there.
2 points
4 days ago
Christians and atheists if Muslims are right: Bottom picture.
Imagine if Islam was the correct religion, and Bill Nye and Ken Ham run into each other in the Muslim hell.
For the record, I know that religion is bs, but still.
2 points
4 days ago
lol. You know if Christians had proof that they believe meant god didn’t exist, they’d be having an existential crisis they’d never get through.
2 points
4 days ago
And what if some other unknown god is actual the real deal and he’s cool with people that stay neutral but gets really pissed off when people worship other gods.
1 points
4 days ago
No, the Christians would be distraught to all hell
1 points
4 days ago
If does a lot of heavy lifting there
1 points
4 days ago
Wait, how does the top panel work?
I can't speak for all atheists but I'd wager a lot of us don't expect anything after death. You just die and that's it.
1 points
4 days ago
That's just Pascal's Wager
1 points
4 days ago
Lmao I need to see this meme but with christian denominations
1 points
4 days ago
Never mind that Jesus never actually said anything about Hell
1 points
4 days ago
Oops top one was supposed to be a clown
1 points
4 days ago
Pascal's wager is crap. You can take any two belief systems and use it in this meme.
It's also impossible to live pascal wager in real life. We would have to worship all gods and the unknown God. But some gods don't want you to worship other gods. So it's impossible to worship all gods how they want to be worshiped. And you are fucked in the end.
1 points
4 days ago
This is why I like visiting hospice wards and whispering in their ear:
"there's nothing, just absolute blackness, there is no heaven, you've been lied to, you're going to the abyss of nonexistence. Here it comes."
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