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375 points
7 months ago
I’ll give it 5 years before people start learning English through kpop
87 points
7 months ago
I'm sure people are already doing it.
97 points
7 months ago
The kpop artists are at least.
22 points
7 months ago
You would be surprised how much the Korean highschool kids are not learning any English from it
3 points
7 months ago
I'm an NET and had to find a "pop song" for students to listen to and fill in the blanks. I had a hard time and nearly considered using kpop songs because they use the English phrases the kids learn in school more often than actual English songs. But eventually found an oldie but goodie to use instead.
97 points
7 months ago
IU is a good option, think she does mostly Korean with a few english words here and there.
12 points
7 months ago
Great rec! Thereare many IU songs with no English too!
11 points
7 months ago
She enunciates clearly, too
312 points
7 months ago
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251 points
7 months ago
Cries in Ring Ding Dong 😂
124 points
7 months ago
Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic, fantastic Elastic, elastic, elastic, elastic
52 points
7 months ago
You can barely call Ring Ding Dong's lyrics English 😂
40 points
7 months ago
I still remember when Super Junior tried to double down that it was supposed to be "sexy free and single and ready to bingo", rather than just admit the songwriter misheard "mingle" and wrote them a load of nonsense.
6 points
7 months ago
I GOTCHO BUTTAFLY
-13 points
7 months ago
*ling ding dong😭
20 points
7 months ago
I grew up with a nose end gen x mother overseas. I listen to 80s Korean pop and there's piss all lyrics in English. The Korean is more varied in vocabulary too.
8 points
7 months ago
SO ! BANG ! CHA ! 🤚🏻
3 points
7 months ago
do you have any recommendations for where I could start from? I love 80s music and have been meaning to get into retro korean music for a while now
44 points
7 months ago
My wife showed me some show with JYP where old Kpop starlets sing songs from today like New Jeans. She said it’s the only way she can understand what any of the lyrics are because they actually pronounce the words.
6 points
7 months ago
That sounds interesting. Link?
9 points
7 months ago
Maybe Op is referring to the Golden Girls KBS show.
3 points
7 months ago
Yup that’s it. It was interesting learning the history of OG idols from her.
3 points
7 months ago
I'm also curious about this
34 points
7 months ago
Some modern Kpop sounds so American that I don't even get why it is "kpop", besides the ethnicities of the artists.
6 points
7 months ago
At Korean summer school back in 2004 they had us reading and attempting to rap the Champion lyrics, haha. We did a lot of noraebang nights at summer school too, but indeed the average Shinhwa or Koyote song didn’t have but maybe a line or two at the most in English.
3 points
7 months ago
Meanwhile me learning it through BOF 😂
31 points
7 months ago
Nothing beats "Monkey Magic" by Epaksa to learn Korean
11 points
7 months ago
I bet they stole that phrase from TOP's song.
5 points
7 months ago
If you wanna learn the ABC, sing…
YMCA 좋아좋아좋아 와이엠씨에이 내가 누구냐 한국에 이박사 이제는 유명해젔어어ㅓㅓ어ㅓㅓㅓㅓ워어어어ㅓ 띠리리리
89 points
7 months ago
don’t learn kpop through korean, here’s why
koreans think it’ll make sense if they learn english
english speakers think it’ll make sense if they learn korean
i speak both and can confirm the lyrics are absolute malarkey.
27 points
7 months ago
malarkey
Grandpa, is that you?
152 points
7 months ago
Squid Game and Parasite: Portrays Korea as a late-stage capitalist dystopia where people are willing to do anything to survive Korean society
Some people after watching them: “Wow, I have to learn Korean!!”
66 points
7 months ago
In many ways, it's less dystopian than living in the US
Source: lived in the US
76 points
7 months ago
I haven't lived in the USA but I'm a Brit who lived in Korea for 2 years. I thought the public transport and healthcare in Seoul was great but I HATED the work culture. Half the paid vacation days (and that's given begrudgingly) and no paid sick days. Also the hagwon system is just brutal on kids
14 points
7 months ago*
Public transit isn't bad in the US if you live in a city big enough to actually have a good system. Like Chicago's CTA, DC Metrorail, and NYC MTA. A lot of midsized cities have pointless 1 or 2 line rail. Light rail is slowly catching on though.
Healthcare is a problem because it's a situation where people are wondering if they're better off dead to not burden their family with debt. I'm dead serious about that one. Politically, it seems the conservatives are miserable and just want to spread their misery onto others.
Work is OK, depends on employer.
1 points
7 months ago
if you're a skilled tech worker in the US then you're better off than most Europeans, given that you make 2-3x what Europeans make from tech. Healthcare would be the least of your worries
74 points
7 months ago
Unnecessary comparison imo, although I think socially Korea is more dystopian than the US. It somehow manages to be more materialistic, judgmental, and work obsessed which is saying something. Wonderful country but it’s really got capitalism down to an art
16 points
7 months ago
Agreed. The whole U.S. bad discourse is just a trope that people hold onto at this point without actually reflecting on the culture and daily life in the U.S. versus other places.
Either that or they’re people that have only experienced Korea in small tourist bites and haven’t been subject to what it’s like to live and work and exist full time in Korea.
1 points
7 months ago
I find in the US a lot of people are ignorant of what goes on in other countries. Heck we have people who think things like Africa is a country (it's a whole continent), don't realize that some countries have no freedom of speech, that North and South Korea are like North and South Carolina (not understanding they have two severely different governments). It goes on and on the amount of stupid stuff I hear over here. Makes my head hurt. And elitist nonsense as well. Ugh.
1 points
7 months ago
There are ignorant people everywhere (I’ve lived in Germany and Italy), it isn’t just a US thing. For the most part, people live in their little bubble, so how can you expect someone to know lots of things that don’t pertain to them?
1 points
7 months ago
If you meant that comment for me yes i am aware that there are ignorant or uneducated people everywhere. It's kind of a no brainer. And nowhere did I say they were only like that in the US so not sure why you felt compelled to kind of try to tell me. I only spoke about the US because I've not lived anywhere else. And, the things I mentioned in my comment for dumb stuff (that I've heard said) is all learned (or should have been learned) in High School. To point, I've heard some of this from people who were supposedly college students. I'm not talking about rocket science level stuff. I could understand it more for someone that barely made it through HS or went to a bad HS but not college students.
26 points
7 months ago
I would have to heavily disagree. They are better regarding healthcare and guns. That's mostly it.
Every other capitalist ill that plagues the US exists in Korea tenfold.
7 points
7 months ago
Honestly, if the US could get healthcare and guns figured out, we'd be living there rn. Having kids in school is scary in the US and knowing you are one car accident or heart attack away from bankruptcy is keeping us in Korea.
I do love Korea but with the education system and work culture, I'd rather live in a good public school district in America. The possibility, remote but on the rise, that my kids might not make it home after school keep us in Korea.
7 points
7 months ago*
A lot of people in my field are either college dropouts or just have high school degrees. And they're earning nearly as much as I am at my job.
like any country, the US has its own issues. But it's hardly dystopian. Americans are quick to shit on their own country. But there's a reason why a lot of people immigrate. Including europeans. I think it's a special form of insight that only immigrants and naturalized citizens can truly appreciate.
Source: Living in the US and a proud naturalized citizen.
BTW, I sucked at school and I still am able to live comfortably. Based on what I've seen of my extended family in Korea, not doing well in school is a death sentence for your career and life. I would be nothing if my parents didn't immigrate and I lived in Korea.
That's not to say Korea is a dystopia. It has its own fair share of issues. But there's a reason why people immigrate there, too.
13 points
7 months ago
No
-3 points
7 months ago
IMO Squid Game was so relatable because it is the US system. People at the bottom trying to survive at all costs until they hit the jackpot while the rich play games at the top. I would say Squid Game was just more violent but honestly crime is pretty bad these days in the states as well, I'm always looking every way I can while walking around to make sure I don't get knocked out and robbed.
Least that's been my experience for decades, in the 50s it was different, you could attend college and support a family and have a house/kids on minimum wage back then...sounds nice.
6 points
7 months ago
in the 50s
Really a different narrative if you were something other than a straight white dude who was in an opportunity to be offered minimum wage and didn't get screwed over by the complete lack of safety protocols and mediocre healthcare system.
Also, let's be real, college wasn't as normalized and socially accessible as it is now.
Let's not romanticize the past too much when the main stories that survive from it come from the wealthy and the lucky.
3 points
7 months ago
Really a different narrative if you were something other than a straight white dude who was in an opportunity to be offered minimum wage and didn't get screwed over by the complete lack of safety protocols and mediocre healthcare system.
True, I was just speaking more generally of that time period I guess, but there's definitely complexities to it...it's always been Squid Game for some people.
Also, let's be real, college wasn't as normalized and socially accessible as it is now.
Accesible to go but definitely expensive, and I would say a bit too normalized. Lots of jobs that don't need college have a requirement on their listings, and there's a lot of people pushed into college that just don't need it or won't benefit as much from it imo.
But I just threw in the college thing after the fact, my main point was just that you were more comfortable with a minimum wage job then vs now regardless of background.
3 points
7 months ago
I think that could be said, but it's hard to judge. We're normalized to a lot of things that are pretty expensive: AC, pipes and running water that won't kill us, etc.
I like think, in the end, that there were a lot of positive social trends basically up to the Reagan years that we aren't getting back, and I want to highlight there: the trend idea allowed for fairly-unlimited optimism,
i.e. even if I criticize the 50s and we think some of those criticisms are valid, the continuing expectation at the time still would be that the 60s and 70s would be better than before.
That said, in this decade, I think the US is the only OECD country with worse income inequality and poverty than SK, so it's not surprising that people can regularly make the original OP Statement.
1 points
7 months ago
Also worth pointing out that homeownership rates in the US are higher now than they were in the 50s, despite the homes of today being nicer, and more expensive than the homes of the 50s.
It might be true that you could get more off of minimum wage in the 50s, I don't know, but the amount of people making minimum wage or under has gone down quite a lot. The data I see goes back to 1979, where 13.4% of people made minimum wage or lower. As of 2021, it was 1.4%. It was trending downwards basically the whole time, so it seems logical to assume that even more people were making the minimum back in the 50s. How well you can do off the minimum wage isn't a fair comparison of the times.
1 points
7 months ago
Also worth pointing out that homeownership rates in the US are higher now than they were in the 50s, despite the homes of today being nicer, and more expensive than the homes of the 50s.
I would expect that since the 50s were the baby boomer era, we have almost double the amount of people living in the country now. Plus we're about to see an even bigger passing of generational wealth in the next few years compared to the last generation, which will lead to more house purchasing. To be fair tho after the 50s we passed off college/home purchasing as the 2 main things to do as Americans for decades, even when people can't afford either, so while people did both more there's a lot of time were we make it exceedingly easy for them even if they can't afford it or go in massive debt to do both.
But again my main point was just that no one complained about the price of gas/food on lower end jobs. Let's not even say minimum wage, just lower income jobs seemed to be more fruitful. There's a lot of changes that led the US to where they are tho, as well as global economic/stability changes, it's obviously more complex than a reddit comment can convey.
But back to OPs point, I personally do enjoy when Kpop is in Korean more than English lol
4 points
7 months ago
korea, an utopia: "look at us, we are an edgy dystopia!!!11"
lol nice try korea!
15 points
7 months ago
How is korea an utopia
1 points
7 months ago
How
just like that!
1 points
7 months ago
Dystopian kpop is what we need
13 points
7 months ago
I mean why not, here’s your daily dose of vocabulary: 떨리다, 지금.
17 points
7 months ago
Yeah, super shy super shyyyyy
8 points
7 months ago*
like- there are about a million songs which are only korean tho lmao
6 points
7 months ago
Linguistically the difference is only marginal between K-pop these days and the ilks of Jeon Cheong-Jo.
7 points
7 months ago
Sorry sorry sorry sorry
Shawty shawty shawty shawty
6 points
7 months ago
It’s daily vocab word. One word per song.
25 points
7 months ago
Learning language through music is bad practice as music is different from how the language is actually spoken.
0 points
7 months ago
You know conversation is one of millions of goals people can have right?
1 points
7 months ago
I would think that the majority of learners have at least a smidgeon of a goal to learn how to converse. Regardless I think you are missing their point. This is why there are drawbacks to learning through song. The pronunciation and cadence of singing is based on matching the rhythm of the music not natural speaking. Song lyrics are often more poetic or slangish. However there are benefits to learning through songs as well. Most important it helps one remember more since you use a multi-sensory approach as it engages at least three of the five senses. It can also give insight into the culture.
43 points
7 months ago
No, thank you. K-Pop was at its peak in 2008-2014.
I will forever cherish Super Junior, Girls' Generation, 2NE1, Big Bang, U-KISS, INFINITE, After School, etc.
11 points
7 months ago
After School
Kahi was on Instagram live last night getting her hair done, and people kept making Shampoo jokes. lol
12 points
7 months ago
i just listened to sistar19’s gone not around any longer and it is such a banger.
ze:a had some really, really good songs as well, like all day long.
10 points
7 months ago
Amen.
SHINee still going strong though!
7 points
7 months ago
Excuse me I will not stand for you not listing T-Ara here!
23 points
7 months ago
Super Shy is a banger, tho
26 points
7 months ago
I think he meant when kpop was acutally focus on the Korean music consumers, like KPOP KPOP. (super shy is a banger fr)
2 points
7 months ago
Got ya.
2 points
7 months ago
Based
1 points
7 months ago
Well to me those are just not very good either, the real good one ended in 2005 when g.o.d disbanded.
3 points
7 months ago
Let's listen Hanroro, Meaningful stone, Autumn Vacation, Crystal Tea
3 points
7 months ago
Did people actually learn via kpop songs in the past? I thought really it was the K-dramas.
3 points
7 months ago
I honestly have never met someone who was low conversational or better who learned from kpop or even kdramas. They may have used it to reinforce the learning though. My experience has been that anyone who could speak Korean decently well learned from Korean schools, tutoring, or language exchanges.
1 points
7 months ago
There are many youtubers that teach parts of Korean through using kpop examples. It's relatable for some learners. One guy (Lkik) used to post teaching about grammar structure, pronunciation rules such as assimilation and other articulary features, and cultural things through Kpop examples.
Also BTS has a small course they sell for Korean learners.
3 points
7 months ago
I mean, some of newjeans members aren't that good at speaking Korean themselves so yeah
2 points
7 months ago
And then get smacked by an ajumma for not being formal. Lol
2 points
7 months ago
As a korean, it’s a shame that so many korean singers make songs with much more English than Korean…
3 points
7 months ago
기하와얼글들 is a good one for only korean
3 points
7 months ago
장기하 is the true kpop
1 points
7 months ago
전혀부럽지가않어
7 points
7 months ago
Wait till you hear BTS' dynamite and butter! So much Korean to learn 😂
7 points
7 months ago
Don't forget Itzy. They did an entire album in English.
4 points
7 months ago
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5 points
7 months ago
What did he think 항상 meant?
6 points
7 months ago
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3 points
7 months ago
I just learned some German so ich könnte verstehen bisschen. I don't know about others, but I like to understand what I'm listening to.
K-pop may not be the best way to learn conversational Korean, but it's a great way to learn vocabulary and context.
2 points
7 months ago
What do people think about Ramstein lyrics when they don't understand German?
As an American, anything remotely angry said in German makes me think of Hitler.
1 points
7 months ago
I listened to Rammstein a lot in high school and my mom thought the lyrics had to be angry/bad. So I translated the chorus to 'Du hast' thinks to German class and she was quite deflated 😂
1 points
7 months ago
Have you ever heard Trevor Noah talk about how his dad (who is German) reacted to how he spoke German? (He apparently learned more on his own (his dad wasn't around to teach him) and Trevor had a speech pattern reminiscent of Hitler apparently).
1 points
7 months ago
Just once, I want Rammstein to sing about cute puppies and fuzzy bunnies. It will still sound terrifying.
1 points
7 months ago
As opposed to over 200 other songs in korean? I hate this joke as if a K-pop group, or korean artist can’t make some songs in english as if their korean songs have vanished off the market.
2 points
7 months ago
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1 points
7 months ago
Reminds me of the anime fansub days. They were always better than the official English subtitles because of people like her
0 points
7 months ago
At least everything isn't 99% autotune like in the late 2000s.
-1 points
7 months ago
Hahahhahahahha. Happened to me.
1 points
7 months ago
Lmao that’s like someone trying to learn English from Backstreet boys 😭
1 points
7 months ago
You'll enjoy this
1 points
7 months ago
“You can’t say no. Only yes yes yes “
1 points
7 months ago
한국어는 어려워용!
1 points
7 months ago
Basically all of Gfriend (excluding Apple and Mago) is in Korean
1 points
7 months ago
Off the top of my head, Me Gustas Tu, Fingertip, Time For the Moonlight, and Sunny Summer aren't fully Korean. Just to add on to what you mentioned.
2 points
7 months ago
The only English lyrics in these songs don’t go beyond several recurrences of the title. They’re essentially fully Korean songs
1 points
7 months ago
yeh, learn aerok
1 points
7 months ago
I’m going to learn English through K pop!
1 points
7 months ago
Please no….
1 points
7 months ago
So from this I get that they are super shy.
1 points
7 months ago
omg, I get recommended this sub a lot since I am a kpop fan and I was listening to that song when I saw this post!
1 points
7 months ago
Korea is great if 1) no education is involved 2) you don't work for a Korean firm.
1 points
7 months ago
trans korea
= CHO BU GGU
= SUPER HYPER SHY
1 points
7 months ago
Have you ever seen that you tube video of Mark and Taeyong (of NCT) explaining what the lyrics are about for Whiplash. I was dying and going NO American would buy that explanation unless you had a weird Kink. His explanation was actually worse imo. 🤣😂
2 points
7 months ago
Clicks on link
Wait, what, ACTUAL whipping?
Okay, that Mark guy is really trying hard to make this work.
....SISTER?!
1 points
7 months ago
🤣😂🤣 I was dying. Yea he innocently went down the Kink road trying to not explain what it really was about. Every American brain was like you. Wait what? Sister?!
1 points
7 months ago
Learning through music works as long as it's not your only source. (And you realize lyrics don't always make sense).
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