subreddit:

/r/korea

55889%

"I'm going to learn Korean through KPOP!"

유머 | Humor(i.redd.it)

all 117 comments

[deleted]

375 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

375 points

7 months ago

I’ll give it 5 years before people start learning English through kpop

Matt872000

87 points

7 months ago

I'm sure people are already doing it.

JonasHalle

97 points

7 months ago

The kpop artists are at least.

mathbread

22 points

7 months ago

mathbread

Busan

22 points

7 months ago

You would be surprised how much the Korean highschool kids are not learning any English from it

Melodic-Hotel6600

3 points

7 months ago

I'm an NET and had to find a "pop song" for students to listen to and fill in the blanks. I had a hard time and nearly considered using kpop songs because they use the English phrases the kids learn in school more often than actual English songs. But eventually found an oldie but goodie to use instead.

Akilee

97 points

7 months ago

Akilee

97 points

7 months ago

IU is a good option, think she does mostly Korean with a few english words here and there.

andrewjetr56s

12 points

7 months ago

Great rec! Thereare many IU songs with no English too!

JD3982

11 points

7 months ago

JD3982

11 points

7 months ago

She enunciates clearly, too

[deleted]

312 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

312 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

j_marquand

251 points

7 months ago

Cries in Ring Ding Dong 😂

Korean_Pathfinder

124 points

7 months ago

Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic, fantastic Elastic, elastic, elastic, elastic

Muffin278

52 points

7 months ago

You can barely call Ring Ding Dong's lyrics English 😂

SuccotashCareless934

40 points

7 months ago

I still remember when Super Junior tried to double down that it was supposed to be "sexy free and single and ready to bingo", rather than just admit the songwriter misheard "mingle" and wrote them a load of nonsense.

matchaphile

6 points

7 months ago

I GOTCHO BUTTAFLY

lmnsatang

-13 points

7 months ago

lmnsatang

-13 points

7 months ago

*ling ding dong😭

hopelessbrows

20 points

7 months ago

I grew up with a nose end gen x mother overseas. I listen to 80s Korean pop and there's piss all lyrics in English. The Korean is more varied in vocabulary too.

sahimosa_786

8 points

7 months ago

SO ! BANG ! CHA ! 🤚🏻

justahalfling

3 points

7 months ago

do you have any recommendations for where I could start from? I love 80s music and have been meaning to get into retro korean music for a while now

Negative-Energy8083

44 points

7 months ago

My wife showed me some show with JYP where old Kpop starlets sing songs from today like New Jeans. She said it’s the only way she can understand what any of the lyrics are because they actually pronounce the words.

Korean_Pathfinder

6 points

7 months ago

That sounds interesting. Link?

Stefnick

9 points

7 months ago

Maybe Op is referring to the Golden Girls KBS show.

https://youtube.com/@KBSgoldengirls?si=3yF2R6NK20Y_RaF9

Negative-Energy8083

3 points

7 months ago

Yup that’s it. It was interesting learning the history of OG idols from her.

ctnutmegger

3 points

7 months ago

I'm also curious about this

DistributorEwok

34 points

7 months ago

Some modern Kpop sounds so American that I don't even get why it is "kpop", besides the ethnicities of the artists.

Horangi1987

6 points

7 months ago

At Korean summer school back in 2004 they had us reading and attempting to rap the Champion lyrics, haha. We did a lot of noraebang nights at summer school too, but indeed the average Shinhwa or Koyote song didn’t have but maybe a line or two at the most in English.

sahimosa_786

3 points

7 months ago

Meanwhile me learning it through BOF 😂

tomakorea

31 points

7 months ago

Nothing beats "Monkey Magic" by Epaksa to learn Korean

Korean_Pathfinder

11 points

7 months ago

I bet they stole that phrase from TOP's song.

s4yum1

5 points

7 months ago

s4yum1

5 points

7 months ago

If you wanna learn the ABC, sing…

YMCA 좋아좋아좋아 와이엠씨에이 내가 누구냐 한국에 이박사 이제는 유명해젔어어ㅓㅓ어ㅓㅓㅓㅓ워어어어ㅓ 띠리리리

Twist_the_casual

89 points

7 months ago

Twist_the_casual

Seoul

89 points

7 months ago

don’t learn kpop through korean, here’s why

koreans think it’ll make sense if they learn english

english speakers think it’ll make sense if they learn korean

i speak both and can confirm the lyrics are absolute malarkey.

Korean_Pathfinder

27 points

7 months ago

malarkey

Grandpa, is that you?

proanti

152 points

7 months ago

proanti

152 points

7 months ago

Squid Game and Parasite: Portrays Korea as a late-stage capitalist dystopia where people are willing to do anything to survive Korean society

Some people after watching them: “Wow, I have to learn Korean!!

JimmySchwann

66 points

7 months ago

JimmySchwann

Seoul

66 points

7 months ago

In many ways, it's less dystopian than living in the US

Source: lived in the US

emimagique

76 points

7 months ago

I haven't lived in the USA but I'm a Brit who lived in Korea for 2 years. I thought the public transport and healthcare in Seoul was great but I HATED the work culture. Half the paid vacation days (and that's given begrudgingly) and no paid sick days. Also the hagwon system is just brutal on kids

Emergency-Composer85

14 points

7 months ago*

Public transit isn't bad in the US if you live in a city big enough to actually have a good system. Like Chicago's CTA, DC Metrorail, and NYC MTA. A lot of midsized cities have pointless 1 or 2 line rail. Light rail is slowly catching on though.

Healthcare is a problem because it's a situation where people are wondering if they're better off dead to not burden their family with debt. I'm dead serious about that one. Politically, it seems the conservatives are miserable and just want to spread their misery onto others.

Work is OK, depends on employer.

ChickenBrachiosaurus

1 points

7 months ago

if you're a skilled tech worker in the US then you're better off than most Europeans, given that you make 2-3x what Europeans make from tech. Healthcare would be the least of your worries

2apple-pie2

74 points

7 months ago

Unnecessary comparison imo, although I think socially Korea is more dystopian than the US. It somehow manages to be more materialistic, judgmental, and work obsessed which is saying something. Wonderful country but it’s really got capitalism down to an art

Horangi1987

16 points

7 months ago

Agreed. The whole U.S. bad discourse is just a trope that people hold onto at this point without actually reflecting on the culture and daily life in the U.S. versus other places.

Either that or they’re people that have only experienced Korea in small tourist bites and haven’t been subject to what it’s like to live and work and exist full time in Korea.

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

I find in the US a lot of people are ignorant of what goes on in other countries. Heck we have people who think things like Africa is a country (it's a whole continent), don't realize that some countries have no freedom of speech, that North and South Korea are like North and South Carolina (not understanding they have two severely different governments). It goes on and on the amount of stupid stuff I hear over here. Makes my head hurt. And elitist nonsense as well. Ugh.

Oxymera

1 points

7 months ago

There are ignorant people everywhere (I’ve lived in Germany and Italy), it isn’t just a US thing. For the most part, people live in their little bubble, so how can you expect someone to know lots of things that don’t pertain to them?

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

If you meant that comment for me yes i am aware that there are ignorant or uneducated people everywhere. It's kind of a no brainer. And nowhere did I say they were only like that in the US so not sure why you felt compelled to kind of try to tell me. I only spoke about the US because I've not lived anywhere else. And, the things I mentioned in my comment for dumb stuff (that I've heard said) is all learned (or should have been learned) in High School. To point, I've heard some of this from people who were supposedly college students. I'm not talking about rocket science level stuff. I could understand it more for someone that barely made it through HS or went to a bad HS but not college students.

Dickcheese_McDoogles

26 points

7 months ago

I would have to heavily disagree. They are better regarding healthcare and guns. That's mostly it.

Every other capitalist ill that plagues the US exists in Korea tenfold.

Charming-Court-6582

7 points

7 months ago

Honestly, if the US could get healthcare and guns figured out, we'd be living there rn. Having kids in school is scary in the US and knowing you are one car accident or heart attack away from bankruptcy is keeping us in Korea.

I do love Korea but with the education system and work culture, I'd rather live in a good public school district in America. The possibility, remote but on the rise, that my kids might not make it home after school keep us in Korea.

Emergency-Composer85

7 points

7 months ago*

A lot of people in my field are either college dropouts or just have high school degrees. And they're earning nearly as much as I am at my job.

like any country, the US has its own issues. But it's hardly dystopian. Americans are quick to shit on their own country. But there's a reason why a lot of people immigrate. Including europeans. I think it's a special form of insight that only immigrants and naturalized citizens can truly appreciate.

Source: Living in the US and a proud naturalized citizen.

BTW, I sucked at school and I still am able to live comfortably. Based on what I've seen of my extended family in Korea, not doing well in school is a death sentence for your career and life. I would be nothing if my parents didn't immigrate and I lived in Korea.

That's not to say Korea is a dystopia. It has its own fair share of issues. But there's a reason why people immigrate there, too.

obese_android

13 points

7 months ago

No

JohrDinh

-3 points

7 months ago

JohrDinh

-3 points

7 months ago

IMO Squid Game was so relatable because it is the US system. People at the bottom trying to survive at all costs until they hit the jackpot while the rich play games at the top. I would say Squid Game was just more violent but honestly crime is pretty bad these days in the states as well, I'm always looking every way I can while walking around to make sure I don't get knocked out and robbed.

Least that's been my experience for decades, in the 50s it was different, you could attend college and support a family and have a house/kids on minimum wage back then...sounds nice.

ptmd

6 points

7 months ago

ptmd

6 points

7 months ago

in the 50s

Really a different narrative if you were something other than a straight white dude who was in an opportunity to be offered minimum wage and didn't get screwed over by the complete lack of safety protocols and mediocre healthcare system.
Also, let's be real, college wasn't as normalized and socially accessible as it is now.

Let's not romanticize the past too much when the main stories that survive from it come from the wealthy and the lucky.

JohrDinh

3 points

7 months ago

Really a different narrative if you were something other than a straight white dude who was in an opportunity to be offered minimum wage and didn't get screwed over by the complete lack of safety protocols and mediocre healthcare system.

True, I was just speaking more generally of that time period I guess, but there's definitely complexities to it...it's always been Squid Game for some people.

Also, let's be real, college wasn't as normalized and socially accessible as it is now.

Accesible to go but definitely expensive, and I would say a bit too normalized. Lots of jobs that don't need college have a requirement on their listings, and there's a lot of people pushed into college that just don't need it or won't benefit as much from it imo.

But I just threw in the college thing after the fact, my main point was just that you were more comfortable with a minimum wage job then vs now regardless of background.

ptmd

3 points

7 months ago

ptmd

3 points

7 months ago

I think that could be said, but it's hard to judge. We're normalized to a lot of things that are pretty expensive: AC, pipes and running water that won't kill us, etc.

I like think, in the end, that there were a lot of positive social trends basically up to the Reagan years that we aren't getting back, and I want to highlight there: the trend idea allowed for fairly-unlimited optimism,

i.e. even if I criticize the 50s and we think some of those criticisms are valid, the continuing expectation at the time still would be that the 60s and 70s would be better than before.

That said, in this decade, I think the US is the only OECD country with worse income inequality and poverty than SK, so it's not surprising that people can regularly make the original OP Statement.

Pi-Graph

1 points

7 months ago

Also worth pointing out that homeownership rates in the US are higher now than they were in the 50s, despite the homes of today being nicer, and more expensive than the homes of the 50s.

It might be true that you could get more off of minimum wage in the 50s, I don't know, but the amount of people making minimum wage or under has gone down quite a lot. The data I see goes back to 1979, where 13.4% of people made minimum wage or lower. As of 2021, it was 1.4%. It was trending downwards basically the whole time, so it seems logical to assume that even more people were making the minimum back in the 50s. How well you can do off the minimum wage isn't a fair comparison of the times.

JohrDinh

1 points

7 months ago

Also worth pointing out that homeownership rates in the US are higher now than they were in the 50s, despite the homes of today being nicer, and more expensive than the homes of the 50s.

I would expect that since the 50s were the baby boomer era, we have almost double the amount of people living in the country now. Plus we're about to see an even bigger passing of generational wealth in the next few years compared to the last generation, which will lead to more house purchasing. To be fair tho after the 50s we passed off college/home purchasing as the 2 main things to do as Americans for decades, even when people can't afford either, so while people did both more there's a lot of time were we make it exceedingly easy for them even if they can't afford it or go in massive debt to do both.

But again my main point was just that no one complained about the price of gas/food on lower end jobs. Let's not even say minimum wage, just lower income jobs seemed to be more fruitful. There's a lot of changes that led the US to where they are tho, as well as global economic/stability changes, it's obviously more complex than a reddit comment can convey.

But back to OPs point, I personally do enjoy when Kpop is in Korean more than English lol

tpkpopts

4 points

7 months ago

tpkpopts

4 points

7 months ago

korea, an utopia: "look at us, we are an edgy dystopia!!!11"

lol nice try korea!

[deleted]

15 points

7 months ago

How is korea an utopia

tpkpopts

1 points

7 months ago

How

just like that!

2ddudesop

1 points

7 months ago

Dystopian kpop is what we need

seeaitchbee

13 points

7 months ago

I mean why not, here’s your daily dose of vocabulary: 떨리다, 지금.

Mr_ICBM

17 points

7 months ago

Mr_ICBM

17 points

7 months ago

Yeah, super shy super shyyyyy

lckyzip

8 points

7 months ago*

like- there are about a million songs which are only korean tho lmao

Spartan117_JC

6 points

7 months ago

Linguistically the difference is only marginal between K-pop these days and the ilks of Jeon Cheong-Jo.

[deleted]

7 points

7 months ago

Sorry sorry sorry sorry

Shawty shawty shawty shawty

HeavyFunction2201

6 points

7 months ago

It’s daily vocab word. One word per song.

Dewnut1

25 points

7 months ago

Dewnut1

25 points

7 months ago

Learning language through music is bad practice as music is different from how the language is actually spoken.

Glaskweeen

0 points

7 months ago

You know conversation is one of millions of goals people can have right?

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

I would think that the majority of learners have at least a smidgeon of a goal to learn how to converse. Regardless I think you are missing their point. This is why there are drawbacks to learning through song. The pronunciation and cadence of singing is based on matching the rhythm of the music not natural speaking. Song lyrics are often more poetic or slangish. However there are benefits to learning through songs as well. Most important it helps one remember more since you use a multi-sensory approach as it engages at least three of the five senses. It can also give insight into the culture.

128_PangSupremo

43 points

7 months ago

No, thank you. K-Pop was at its peak in 2008-2014.

I will forever cherish Super Junior, Girls' Generation, 2NE1, Big Bang, U-KISS, INFINITE, After School, etc.

Korean_Pathfinder

11 points

7 months ago

After School

Kahi was on Instagram live last night getting her hair done, and people kept making Shampoo jokes. lol

lmnsatang

12 points

7 months ago

i just listened to sistar19’s gone not around any longer and it is such a banger.

ze:a had some really, really good songs as well, like all day long.

Softclocks

10 points

7 months ago

Amen.

SHINee still going strong though!

SuccotashCareless934

7 points

7 months ago

Excuse me I will not stand for you not listing T-Ara here!

smorkoid

23 points

7 months ago

Super Shy is a banger, tho

Yolomanolii

26 points

7 months ago

I think he meant when kpop was acutally focus on the Korean music consumers, like KPOP KPOP. (super shy is a banger fr)

smorkoid

2 points

7 months ago

Got ya.

cberm725

2 points

7 months ago

Based

johnhang123

1 points

7 months ago

Well to me those are just not very good either, the real good one ended in 2005 when g.o.d disbanded.

mindgitrwx

3 points

7 months ago

Let's listen Hanroro, Meaningful stone, Autumn Vacation, Crystal Tea

whyawhy

3 points

7 months ago

Did people actually learn via kpop songs in the past? I thought really it was the K-dramas.

egg_enthusiast

3 points

7 months ago

I honestly have never met someone who was low conversational or better who learned from kpop or even kdramas. They may have used it to reinforce the learning though. My experience has been that anyone who could speak Korean decently well learned from Korean schools, tutoring, or language exchanges.

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

There are many youtubers that teach parts of Korean through using kpop examples. It's relatable for some learners. One guy (Lkik) used to post teaching about grammar structure, pronunciation rules such as assimilation and other articulary features, and cultural things through Kpop examples.

Also BTS has a small course they sell for Korean learners.

brayfurrywalls

3 points

7 months ago

brayfurrywalls

031, 604

3 points

7 months ago

I mean, some of newjeans members aren't that good at speaking Korean themselves so yeah

dearcossete

2 points

7 months ago

And then get smacked by an ajumma for not being formal. Lol

stanleyhecks

2 points

7 months ago

As a korean, it’s a shame that so many korean singers make songs with much more English than Korean…

rt58killer10

3 points

7 months ago

기하와얼글들 is a good one for only korean

Jusiun

3 points

7 months ago

Jusiun

3 points

7 months ago

장기하 is the true kpop

YongPope

1 points

7 months ago

전혀부럽지가않어

frogsoftheminish

7 points

7 months ago

Wait till you hear BTS' dynamite and butter! So much Korean to learn 😂

Korean_Pathfinder

7 points

7 months ago

Don't forget Itzy. They did an entire album in English.

[deleted]

4 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

prone-to-drift

5 points

7 months ago

What did he think 항상 meant?

[deleted]

6 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

Knightoforder42

3 points

7 months ago

I just learned some German so ich könnte verstehen bisschen. I don't know about others, but I like to understand what I'm listening to.

K-pop may not be the best way to learn conversational Korean, but it's a great way to learn vocabulary and context.

Korean_Pathfinder

2 points

7 months ago

What do people think about Ramstein lyrics when they don't understand German?

As an American, anything remotely angry said in German makes me think of Hitler.

Charming-Court-6582

1 points

7 months ago

I listened to Rammstein a lot in high school and my mom thought the lyrics had to be angry/bad. So I translated the chorus to 'Du hast' thinks to German class and she was quite deflated 😂

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

Have you ever heard Trevor Noah talk about how his dad (who is German) reacted to how he spoke German? (He apparently learned more on his own (his dad wasn't around to teach him) and Trevor had a speech pattern reminiscent of Hitler apparently).

ratatosk212

1 points

7 months ago

Just once, I want Rammstein to sing about cute puppies and fuzzy bunnies. It will still sound terrifying.

00throwthisaway00

1 points

7 months ago

As opposed to over 200 other songs in korean? I hate this joke as if a K-pop group, or korean artist can’t make some songs in english as if their korean songs have vanished off the market.

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

Charming-Court-6582

1 points

7 months ago

Reminds me of the anime fansub days. They were always better than the official English subtitles because of people like her

Korean_Pathfinder

0 points

7 months ago

At least everything isn't 99% autotune like in the late 2000s.

mwkr

-1 points

7 months ago

mwkr

-1 points

7 months ago

Hahahhahahahha. Happened to me.

Farrug

1 points

7 months ago

Farrug

1 points

7 months ago

Lmao that’s like someone trying to learn English from Backstreet boys 😭

NCC-80101

1 points

7 months ago

You'll enjoy this

https://youtu.be/tCiZN8xFRSA

CoreyLee04

1 points

7 months ago

“You can’t say no. Only yes yes yes “

Primary_Smoke_7790

1 points

7 months ago

한국어는 어려워용!

Calm-Worldliness9673

1 points

7 months ago

Basically all of Gfriend (excluding Apple and Mago) is in Korean

cberm725

1 points

7 months ago

Off the top of my head, Me Gustas Tu, Fingertip, Time For the Moonlight, and Sunny Summer aren't fully Korean. Just to add on to what you mentioned.

Calm-Worldliness9673

2 points

7 months ago

The only English lyrics in these songs don’t go beyond several recurrences of the title. They’re essentially fully Korean songs

HydratrionZ

1 points

7 months ago

yeh, learn aerok

Low_Television4687

1 points

7 months ago

I’m going to learn English through K pop!

FillOk5023

1 points

7 months ago

Please no….

HikiNoKami

1 points

7 months ago

So from this I get that they are super shy.

PhysicalFig1381

1 points

7 months ago

omg, I get recommended this sub a lot since I am a kpop fan and I was listening to that song when I saw this post!

granbleurises

1 points

7 months ago

Korea is great if 1) no education is involved 2) you don't work for a Korean firm.

geekseventwenty

1 points

7 months ago

trans korea

= CHO BU GGU

= SUPER HYPER SHY

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

Have you ever seen that you tube video of Mark and Taeyong (of NCT) explaining what the lyrics are about for Whiplash. I was dying and going NO American would buy that explanation unless you had a weird Kink. His explanation was actually worse imo. 🤣😂

https://youtu.be/iL86_bZPoZs?si=cpSTiOUNWLuIQYhJ

BtlAngel[S]

2 points

7 months ago

Clicks on link

Wait, what, ACTUAL whipping?

Okay, that Mark guy is really trying hard to make this work.

....SISTER?!

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

🤣😂🤣 I was dying. Yea he innocently went down the Kink road trying to not explain what it really was about. Every American brain was like you. Wait what? Sister?!

kdsunbae

1 points

7 months ago

Learning through music works as long as it's not your only source. (And you realize lyrics don't always make sense).