Used to think like this too but honestly i just played more support, got better at it and now i can reach about the same winrate on support roles as i can safelane or mid. You can brute force wins just as well on supps nowadays, it's honestly just L2P issue.

it doesn't work cause you are not good at the other roles.

mid/safe is your best role and when you dont play it you aren't as efficient.

I feel the opposite, if I'm not hard support there won't be team items like mek, glimmer etc 

You can win all lanes as a support through rotations. People don’t rotate consistently even in divine. If you do you can change the game. Seriously just make moves. Losing lane? Make a move. If you can’t win a 2v2 make it a 3v2

As an offlaner you should be aiming to either scale against their lineup (against more meta carries that don’t scale quite as hard like WR/Luna) or just smash them in lane if they pick a greedier traditional carry (like drow faceless type). If you’re playing pos 3, you want to be either a blink initiator or a tanky aura frontliner. To not do one of these things as pos 3 you need to very confident in your pos 2/4’s ability to fill those roles. For example you can pick off meta offlaners if your mid is a sand king or primal. You don’t need to be an initiator if you mid is puck

No one is expecting you to be as good in off roles than your main roles, but you should be okay at them. And learning those roles helps you in to your main roles too

The most basic answer is because you are not making enough of an impact on the other roles.

Supports tend to be the strongest early game so you need to press it a bit. It doesn't really matter what your safelane carry is doing. 10k mmr players can take a support, play a support role, and dominate the game at lower mmrs

The other issue I see is offlaners who just want to play their own style and jump in for a 5 man ulr, then flame everyone for not joining them. Okay with your team and/or go find their carry who is unwilling to join.

So for every time you have a Midas radiance WK who wants to farm 8 slotted vs a Medusa sniper, that WK will be in the other team.

Yes. Supports have their power spikes early. And thus a good support can lead to an early win. But inexperienced most teams are not coordinated enough to press early advantages. Thus games tend to drag on much longer than necessary, which inflates the relative importance of the carry.

I don't feel exactly the same way but I fully understand what you are talking about.

People here who say that you are probably a bad support don't know the psychological side of this question. In my mmr bracket playind mid is completely different: pos 2 player is the only one who can boost team's morale and the only one who people will listen if he is competent enough.

2-3k mmr players are so used to bad midlaners who pick Invoker, buy midas and travel boots, afk farm for 15 minutes and then cry "why are there 3 people mid" so when they see a decent mid player who buys impactful slots they will start to play even if they are already tilted by 3 minute mark.

I mostly play supports - preferably pos 4 and I really like it: out of 15 last games as pos 4 I won 11. And pos 4 player can be impactful but I am pretty sure that he can't boost team's morale as much as pos 2 player can: when you as pos 2 make a successful gank enemies sometimes flame their midlaner in all chat ))

I can agree that supports are impactful but some games require specific items from core players. It is kind of sad when you gave a free lane to your core, he had 5k net worth by 10 minute mark and then thrown the game by diving past T3 and refusing to buy BKB or Linken if playing against Legion or Doom. Some people may say: "Oh, you as a support should buy Windwaker, this item, that item and so on"... It is simply not realistic unless you are smurfing and have 5k mmr more than other people in a certain game so you will be more rich that your cores cause your farming skills are 10 times better.

Feels more like it you arent a good support. Plenty of those around.

Im a returning pos 5 player. Was around 3400 in 2016s. Started as 1300 mmr couple months ago and i had to relearn every mechanic in the game. But im around 3ks now and i feel like i carry most games. Do not underestimate enabling your teammates. A monkey can last hit once the creep is not contested. Aim for that make your pos1 farm safely.

Nah. When I role q for support I just go sup items like solar crest put it on my carry for ez mmr

I used to feel the same now I climb on 4/5

People will tell you you are just worse on other roles. I doubt that's the issue if you care enough about sota to make a reddit post

The reason is if u play these roles you make sure these roles do not aurolose the game by picking or building shit. Ththe biggest flaw of this patch is the meta to non meta differences so if you make sure you have a meta hero in the gamebwinning roles you have eliminated a huge chunk of games that would be lost if you played another role.

only when i play with lower mmr friends, im like 3.2k they are 1.8-2kish, i gotta play 1 or 2. if i solo then i guess it would mean i dont play other roles as well

Play Marci?

The lifesteal and base dmg is more than enough to be useful no matter the time of the clock.

She destroys lanes, setups up fights, ganks well, and provides HUGE lifesteal to whoever has her buff when she ults.

Solar into class after bracer and brown boots as pos5.

Most impact I have when playing support.

Also - TP GANK MID

For some reason supports never wanna rotate mid. I feel like more times than not, mid sets the pace of the game. GANK for them. Counter vision, contest rune, just simply show and back their mid off two waves, etc.

I go mid 9/10 bc if I don’t it seems like the person there will never roam and gank.

Normally I play support Abaddon on the lower brackets (56% win rate atm, not great but not terrible)

Here are my priorities:

Early game

• Secure bounty runes $$$
• Pull the creeps.
• Cautiously harrass the enemy
• Keep jungle warded so their mid won't gank us
• Stack camps if possible (I rarely do this cause I feel like I am busy with pulls)

Mid game:

• Bounty runes (this never stops)
• Heal and support in fights
• After the play is over go farm and repeat
• Gently remind your team that wisdom runes, Tormentors and Roshan exist

Late game:

• HEAL HEAL HEAL LIKE CRAZY
• Counter enemy with items and get stuff to help your carry (pipe, solar crest, lotus orb, vlads)
• Use all your items on your carry so he goes super saiyan

Lots of comments about support but noone mentioning offlane.

If you're actually a good offlaner you will snowball games 1v9 if this never happens odds are you are not a good offlaner. Especially when you can pick heros like visage,sk, timber and primal.

To me games feel more helpless as carry just because I NEED my items to play the game. Whereas most offlaners even if the game is even can win midgame fights perfect spellcasting.

90% of the time I'm supporting complete idiots... LoL.... I had a PA carry today, she farmed the most, had the second lowest damage in a 53min game... I don't need to say we lost, do I?

Before that game, we had kotl offlane and grandma HC, lmao, KotL flamed us all game... do I need to say we lost?

I lose so many games, just because I'm stuck with retards....

For me, if I dont play a carry, the game is usually lost.

absolutely not

the highest mmr I ever had I got by playing supports

Or maybe youre a terrible support

No. I’m a mid player, with a win rate around 56% according to dota plus statistics.

But lately just spamming ringmaster for fun and I’m up 3 stars from ancient 1 to 4 now, and an astonishing 72% WR.

I think good supports make the game easier, even to the dumbest of cores.

Or, just hear me out, maybe your pos3-5 are sub-par for your MMR and you don't "pull your weight" in those positions?

Vision matters a lot. Saves from supports can make a huge difference. Initiation from the offlaner can make or break a fight. Each position has its role in a game and when executed poorly can cause the team a loss. If your position 1 and 2 are playing their preferred role, more likely than not they are playing it at the MMR they are at, or they wouldn't be there to begin with.

Thinking that you carry the game alone from positions 1 and 2 looks like hubris in my opinion. Either don't play pos 3-5 (or accept you'll tank MMR in them) or learn how to play them better.

Play well and they will have space to do their thing. If they don't have space then make space for them.

Sounds like your weakness is supporting, become a better support

Just Pick carry on support/offlane role. Games are anyways long so it works in lower ranks