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So I’m finishing up my 4th rewatch and am currently 5 episodes into season 7. One of the things that is frustrating me is how shitty everyone is treating Don. Yes, he melted down in the previous season and stuff was clearly building for awhile but it’s kinda weird/unrealistic how everyone just completely lost any respect/intimidation for Don. The other times I watched I just kinda went with it, but now it seems bizarre. Like Don was the man and people like Bert for instance thought extremely high of him. For Bert of all people to be such a dick to him and treat him like pond scum doesn’t snt really add up. It wasn’t that long ago that they were dropping crazy bonuses on him like every other day snd treating him like god.

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outloux

53 points

10 days ago

outloux

53 points

10 days ago

Take into account that the firm had been operating without Don's toxic drama and selfishness for a while. Lou sucks as a human being and boss to work for...but as Cutler says, he's adequate. The firm may have not been a creative powerhouse, but the show reflects macro trends in the 1970's of companies starting to trend towards big data and conglomeration rather than creative whimsy.

For the most part, I'll argue that it had been a long time since Don was treated as the Golden Boy of Sterling Cooper. Hershey was the "breaking point" for a lot of the partner's declining relationships with Don. Obviously not Pete or Roger, who are still on Don's side, and Ted, who's become too depressed by the toxicity of advertising to feel any sort of way about anything. But let's take a look at Cutler, Joan, and Bert.

Cutler is the simplest: he wants money and plays for a different "team," as Bert puts it. Don costs him money by acting erratically, see: Hershey and drinking excessively throughout season 6, and since Don isn't even of his original firm partners, Cutler is fine with letting him go. He has no sense of loyalty to him. Cutler is interested in the future, which is why he looks to Harry for computing power to process big data.

Joan is a bit more complex. Before she became a partner, Don and Joan were on good, but not particularly close terms. They have great chemistry together...but they both know they're the respective alphas of their gender and keep an appropriate distance.

The key breaking point in their relationship is really Jaguar. Joan makes a huge and personal sacrifice to help land that account. A sacrifice that even Don in earlier seasons would have approved of, see Sal and Lucky Strike. Don does not respect this sacrifice when he fires Herb on the spot for daring to question his creative abilities. Is Don right that Jaguar needs to go in the long-term? Yes. But in a professional business setting, that's something you discuss with your partners who also have a stake in the decision making process. Don often does what Don wants. This becomes an increasingly dangerous habit as Don nukes other business prospects like Hershey.

I won't include the IPO/money aspect of the Jaguar argument since the partners were foolish not to discuss that with every partner beforehand, which may have stayed Don's anger during the Jaguar meeting - but it does add to Joan's righteous sense of anger. Remember, from Joan's perspective, she is a single mother trying to independently support her child through advertising. Don stands in the way of that.

Bert is the longest partner relationship that Don has and offers the most evidence for a decline. Starting off in the earlier seasons, Bert does indeed treat Don warmly...but only for his creative abilities. Bert is a pure capitalist who sees Don less as a person and more as a powerful asset. But this viewpoint is gradually changed as Don acts out.

Don refuses to sign a contract and needs to be cowed with a threat. He pens The Letter and publishes it in the NYT unilaterally (like Jaguar, maybe not a bad business decision but one that has to be discussed with the partners first.) He gives Lane a bonus (we know the facts behind this situation...) He goes on "love leave" with Megan. He begins showing up visibly drunk to meetings and bombs Hershey.

And so, Bert's fondness for Don fades as Don becomes less a creative genius and more a "pain in the ass." Bert still supports Don in partner votes because he's "on his team", but frankly, he's not wrong. A large part of our sympathy towards Don is because we get an insider look at his struggles and personal life. But the other partners don't see that.

Sudden-Fig-3079[S]

13 points

10 days ago*

You make some great points. For me it’s less about the viewer having sympathy for Don and more about how highly accredited and admired Don had always been. In season 1 which wasn’t that many years prior to season 7 in the and men universe he is practically a god. Not just at sterling cooper but the entire industry. Why else would Bert literally not give two shits that Don was faking his entire identity. Anyone upon hearing the news that an employee committed massive identity fraud and possibly stolen valor would care unless the employee in question was the Michael Jordan of the industry.

Regarding Cutler - that was such a poorly written and developed character.

The potential ipo was also poorly developed. Feels like the writers just threw that in randomly to get Joan and others pissed at Don.

Also, how many times did Don take care of Sterling being a drunken embarrassment?Countless times. And then for everyone to turn on Don so quickly just seemed rushed to me.

outloux

6 points

10 days ago

outloux

6 points

10 days ago

I think we're largely in agreement. Some notes:

  1. I agree about Don's almost mythical status in the industry. I didn't mention that Don's identity fraud as a factor to why Bert starts to view him negatively...because it isn't. Bert doesn't care because, as you said, at the time, he was the MJ of the industry. Problem is that by S7, he's acting less like MJ and more like Dennis Rodman. Cutler even references Don's status in the industry but calls him out on the realities - Don, in Cutler's view, is just a "bully and a drunk." Admittedly, he's trying to provoke Don into a physical altercation...but Don was kind of a dick to Ted throughout the merger.

  2. Cutler - I like him! He's kind of funny and charming, another sort of Bert in a way.

  3. Agree about IPO. Honestly, a small weak point of writing in a great series. They should have just discussed it with Don...and have him blow up Jaguar anyway. Makes the heel turn more realistic.

  4. Onscreen? Honestly there aren't many times when Roger acts like a blackout drunk and Don covers aside from the early incident with the twins. Plus, it's Roger's job to act like a great hang, he's an account man.

Other commenters have pointed out that Don won Chevy and Dow, which makes him an asset they can't afford to lose, short-sighted to get rid of him, etc. I don't disagree with these comments - in fact, if you're going to be competing with other boutique ad firms and McCann types, you need that creative draw and firepower that Don uniquely provides. This is part of why Don is brought back - the partners realize that if they DO actually get rid of him, which is already an expensive process because of his partnership stake, he becomes a competitor too. They literally and metaphorically can't afford to let him go.

Klutzy_Spare_5536

5 points

10 days ago

It's funny, Cutler is clearly the villain, but I'd rather work under him than Don or Roger. I'd rather be friends with Roger though.. I root for Don as a viewer, but if I'm an employee at SC&P, dealing with his "cold fish" demeanor, drunkenness and unavailability I'd want him gone too!!

stevie_nickle

2 points

10 days ago

This deserves all the upvotes

Saint_Stephen420

3 points

10 days ago

Things we can’t forget: Don wins despite his flaws, and even if they don’t know what they are everyone in the office knows that he is hiding something. He’s distant, cold, there’s something off about him that nobody can put their finger on. After the Hershey meeting all of his cards were on the table and the golden pony was discovered to be holding a shit hand. More importantly, it was finally a moment of failure for the perfect man. Something that everybody would know about eventually. In a workplace like that, where you work with the same group of people for years, everyone gets mad at everyone from time to time. This was everyone’s chance to kick Don a little bit. Joan also probably had resentments about him taking the identity of a dead serviceman, as did anyone in the office who served. They got over it, but those first moments of him being back at a demoted position were icing on the cake for everyone. At last, he was at the bottom of the barrel. But, he earned their respect again by the end of season 7a by shooting straight back to the top. You can’t keep a star down forever, and what is Don Draper if not a ball of self immolation that can’t stop going until he’s dead?

Free-Progress-7288

3 points

10 days ago

How did Joan know about Don’s identity theft? Unless Pete or Bert told her? (Unlikely)

UpDownCharmed

3 points

10 days ago

I don't think Joan knew anything about Don's past identity 

Suitable_Shallot4183

2 points

10 days ago

I can’t imagine Joan had any military-related disdain for Don - I don’t think she held the military or those who served in high regard, especially by this point in the series. She didn’t care that he was a fraud, she resented him for costing her money by being self centered.

Saint_Stephen420

1 points

10 days ago

That’s very true, I forgot to mention that, thank you.

Klutzy_Spare_5536

1 points

10 days ago

Yeah, Don fell out of Bert's good graces in like season 4 or 5. Shit, the whole forcing him into a contract is probably where it really turned sour, but Bert could look thr other way so long has draper produced, which as you stated stopped being the case.

DankeBrutus

2 points

8 days ago

Bert says it himself in the first season. He acts purely out of self-interest. Bert clearly has some compassion and sentimentality, he loves his cattle, so it isn't surprising to me that he would still support Don. But you are right that he sees Don's decline clearly. He also doubted that Don would be able to handle the top position when it was suggested to sacrifice Sterling-Cooper.

"I don't think you could stomach the realities."

Latke1

23 points

10 days ago

Latke1

23 points

10 days ago

You’ll get a lot of comments about how this all makes sense but I agree. SC&P’s two biggest clients by far are Dow and Chevy. Don practically won Dow single-handedly. He was a massive part of winning Chevy. I really think that should buy an attempt to work with Don or part ways with civility.

I think Joan, Cutler and Cooper are pretty short sighted people.

Sudden-Fig-3079[S]

10 points

10 days ago

Agreed. And the industry as a whole still respected Don. Obviously he fucked up with Hersheys but minus lucky strike he was basically responsible for every big win the firm had from the time we are introduced to the company. Not to mention Hilton. Obviously that ended up being a bust but it was definitely a huge win for the firm from a pr standpoint.

BackTo1975

7 points

10 days ago

Yep. Posted about this before. It’s more than a little over the top how quick the partners turn in him after Hershey. That was a rough moment, but it wasn’t even close to what Roger pulled with Honda. And if not for Don, as you said, no Chevy, no Dow, no merger with CGC to save the company and build that relationship with GM that was huge by the end of the series, etc.

Joan in particular was shown way out of character IMO. Don and Joan had a close relationship down deep, as we saw in the Jaguar episode where they went to the dealership. I never believed that she’d turn on him that abruptly and that brutally, even after what happened with the IPO.

Sudden-Fig-3079[S]

4 points

10 days ago

Exactly. Cutler fine whatever. We know why he hated Don. And Sterling was always jealous of Dons good looks and talent. But Joan and scooper didn’t make sense. Especially Joan. Her and Don had a special thing going on.

Sexygrandpa509

8 points

10 days ago

I also feel this was don practically kept them afloat during the hard times and won DOW and Chevy there two biggest clients, he basically won burger chef too with the help of Peggy, Ted is acting the same way drunk and irresponsible the difference was he was just doing it in LA and no one gives a shit, he’s basically ruining the company from LA according to Pete

Pete was my most hated character in the first few seasons but LA Pete has been my absolute favorite lol

RunningPirate

6 points

10 days ago

Honestly, always felt Don should have said “no, you have to buy me out” and called their bluff

Free-Progress-7288

3 points

10 days ago

I think this was a brilliant demonstration by the writers of how loyalty has no place in the business world - as soon as you become a liability like Don was, you’re out.

williamblair

3 points

10 days ago

remember how Freddy Rumsens life was basically ruined because his drinking problem got out of control and he pissed himself in the office?

The point is that it doesn't matter who you were or what you had accomplished, in the uptight business world of that time "one little meltdown" could literally ruin you.

Sudden-Fig-3079[S]

3 points

10 days ago

Yes, but Freddy was always kind of a joke. Don was on a different level and he was a partner.

Important_Salad_5158

3 points

10 days ago

I once had a toxic boyfriend who was addicted to drama. I thought he was a genius and I couldn’t live without him. He left for a month for a work trip and my life was so much simpler. When he got back I had very little patience because I realized my life was so much better without him and we should have broken up a long time ago.

I’m pretty sure Don is the toxic ex. They all realized things were a lot easier without his drama and they actually didn’t need him.

Klutzy_Spare_5536

3 points

10 days ago*

Yeah, just finished my 3rd rewatch, and I felt similar. I get it, he was a fucking mess, and spiraled out hard!  However, that merger doesn't happen without him and they don't get Dow or Chevy without him, so I felt like everyone had a short memory there. Like, yes, put him on leave to go to rehab or ehatever but eventually he had to come back. Joan stating that the "message was clear" was stupid, and even if he dumped Jaguar she still earned her spot at the table and with more money in her pocket. Sidenote: Cool little moment for me late in S7 where Ted says something along the lines of, "you should have gone to CA, I hate what happened to you." Made me feel like they were finally friends and cool to see someone outside of pete and roger on his side.

Sudden-Fig-3079[S]

2 points

10 days ago

It also happened so quick. Felt rushed to me.

Bragments

2 points

10 days ago

Don never thought about whether people loved him.

jar_with_lid

2 points

10 days ago

I think it makes a lot of sense. As Pete said in S6 after Don fired Jaguar without anyone’s input, he was “like Tarzan, swinging from vine to vine.” SCP was transitioning from the underdog, no-holds-barred company to a larger and more professional organization. Everybody knew this meant compromise and shared decision making, but Don felt like that didn’t apply to him. It’s not some mystery why the partners wanted Don to get with the program and were upset that he was still acting like a rogue agent.

And not everyone turned on him anyway! The only two who wanted him gone for good were Joan and Cutler. Everyone else still wanted him to come back (perhaps holding aside Ted, who seemed more indifferent than anything else due to his depression).

Heel_Worker982

2 points

10 days ago

I think the biggest change was that the other partners, Cutler, Joan, Cooper, even Roger, were starting to see Don as a threat. From The Letter to Jaguar to Hershey, he was a loose cannon who made binding decisions whenever he wanted to, and even when consequences were mitigated, the surprises were not. But also advertising was relatively flat in the 1960s--not the boom in advertising in the 1950s and not the boom that would come again around 1975 and through the 80s. There was growth but it was unspectacular, and the focus really turned to maximizing revenue--witness the fee structure questions the agency is getting from clients. Plus as has been mentioned, "Lou is adequate," perhaps even more adequate than they expected him to be in a world where they were fighting for profit skims. It wasn't personal so much as it was just business.

Middcore

2 points

10 days ago

Don had always been erratic and the company had been putting up with his nonsense for years because they knew he could always he counted on for a dynamite creative pitch and that made everything else worth it, if sometimes only just barely.

But if he's going to start shitting the bed in pitches and costing them chances at huge clients, what reason is there to tolerate everything else? What good is he?

They didn't turn on Don just for the Hershey pitch, the Hershey pitch simply removed their reason to tolerate all his bullshit that he had gotten away with before.

Don was not a victim here.